PipeChat Digest #2070 - Sunday, April 29, 2001
 
Re: I speak for myself
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: I speak for myself
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2069 - 04/29/01
  by <LLWheels@aol.com>
Re: Latin vs. translations?
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
2nd Sunday After Easter (Good Shepherd Sunday), St. Matthew's, Costa  Mes
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Organ history and design- two questions
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Re: Pneumatic
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Beagles' Wings
  by "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com>
Ron Rhode at Mundelein
  by "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: new mp3 added
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Ron Rhode at Mundelein
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
file transfers
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Janice Soprano, CCM composer
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: file transfers
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: file transfers
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Latin vs. translations?
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Pneumatic
  by "Panning" <jpanning@cal-net.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:39:12 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D0CA.EBA1E200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I'm so confused. Scott asked for advice on choir anthems for summer, =3D then railed at those who didn't know the high level of musicianship at =3D Little Flower. While I applaud the wonderful music being produced at =3D the Shrine and now have a reason to want to visit the Detroit area where = =3D once there was none, and while I would never presume to offer advice to = =3D Mr. Foppiano, I also realize that not everyone knows the status of that = =3D music program, and some were only trying to help. I also know that =3D every time I ask a question on a list, I may get one out of 50 replies =3D that actually responded to my question.   Scott, what you need is a great big group HUG! Everybody join in! One, = =3D two three . . . SQUEEZE!   Glenda Sutton (in the land where it is HOT, sprinklers are running wild in the yard, =3D and I am the lone surviving high churchman in the Florida Panhandle)     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D0CA.EBA1E200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm so confused.&nbsp; Scott asked = for =3D advice on=3D20 choir anthems for summer, then railed at those who didn't know the high = =3D level of=3D20 musicianship at Little Flower.&nbsp; While I applaud the wonderful music = =3D being=3D20 produced at the Shrine and now have a reason to want to visit the =3D Detroit area=3D20 where once there was none, and while I would never presume to offer =3D advice to=3D20 Mr. </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Foppiano, I also realize that = not =3D everyone=3D20 knows the status of that music program, and some were&nbsp;only trying =3D to=3D20 help.&nbsp; I also know that every time I ask a question on a list, I =3D may get=3D20 one out of 50 replies that actually responded to my =3D question.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Scott, what you need is a great big = =3D group=3D20 HUG!&nbsp; Everybody join in!&nbsp; One, two three . . . =3D SQUEEZE!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Glenda Sutton</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>(in the land where it is =3D HOT,&nbsp;sprinklers are=3D20 running wild in the yard, and I am the lone surviving high churchman in = =3D the=3D20 Florida Panhandle)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=3D20 face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C0D0CA.EBA1E200--    
(back) Subject: Re: I speak for myself From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:27:58 EDT     --part1_cd.5d950fa.281dfd7e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/29/01 2:43:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:     > Scott, what you need is a great big group HUG! Everybody join in! One, = two > three . . . SQUEEZE! > >   AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!   I can only do that "peace" thing ONCE A DAY.... MAX!   (I'll send one tomorrow!) ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_cd.5d950fa.281dfd7e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/29/01 2:43:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Scott, what you = need is a great big group HUG! &nbsp;Everybody join in! &nbsp;One, two <BR>three . . . SQUEEZE! <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! <BR> <BR>I can only do that "peace" thing ONCE A DAY.... MAX! <BR> <BR>(I'll send one tomorrow!) &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_cd.5d950fa.281dfd7e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2069 - 04/29/01 From: <LLWheels@aol.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:55:34 EDT     --part1_82.a5796ff.281e03f6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/29/2001 4:40:29 PM Central Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   Bob Scarborough wrote:     > Hmmmm...there we go! the quick 'n easy cure for "happy/clappy/7-11 > > music"...translate all those banal, idiotic lyrics into Latin! No one =   > will > > know just how bad it really is that way! Worked for the RCs for > centuries.... >       Actually - that's been done -- It's known as music from Taize.   (Just kidding folks) };-) Running for cover in my flame-retardant suit, I remain:     Larry L. Wheelock Organist Conductor Composer Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, WI Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55       --part1_82.a5796ff.281e03f6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Univers" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 4/29/2001 4:40:29 PM = Central Daylight Time, <BR>pipechat@pipechat.org writes: <BR> <BR>Bob Scarborough wrote: <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hmmmm...there we = go! &nbsp;the quick 'n easy cure for "happy/clappy/7-11 <BR>&gt; music"...translate all those banal, idiotic lyrics into Latin! = &nbsp;No one <BR>will <BR>&gt; know just how bad it really is that way! &nbsp;Worked for the RCs = for <BR>centuries.... <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Univers" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR> <BR>Actually - that's been done -- It's known as music from Taize. <BR> <BR>(Just kidding folks) };-) Running for cover in my flame-retardant = suit, I <BR>remain: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Univers" LANG=3D"0">Larry L. Wheelock <BR>Organist <BR>Conductor <BR>Composer <BR>Kenwood United Methodist Church <BR>Milwaukee, WI <BR>Austin Organ Co. Opus 1628, 1928 III/55</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Bimini" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff0000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Bimini" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_82.a5796ff.281e03f6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Latin vs. translations? From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:34:40 EDT     --part1_3e.af44e8f.281e0d20_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   This new quasi-thread is bringing to mind to ask you all this. Can any of =   you translate INTO Latin the following? At a local AGO meeting a few = years ago, we came up with this wonderful spoof of a motto. Your help is appreciated.   "If you cannot play good, play loud." (We know it should be well, but = hey.)   Peace. Have a good week. Neil B.   --part1_3e.af44e8f.281e0d20_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>This new quasi-thread = is bringing to mind to ask you all this. &nbsp;Can any of <BR>you translate INTO Latin the following? &nbsp;At a local AGO meeting a = few years <BR>ago, we came up with this wonderful spoof of a motto. &nbsp;Your help = is <BR>appreciated. <BR> <BR>"If you cannot play good, play loud." &nbsp;(We know it should be = well, but hey.) <BR> <BR>Peace. &nbsp;Have a good week. <BR>Neil B.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3e.af44e8f.281e0d20_boundary--  
(back) Subject: 2nd Sunday After Easter (Good Shepherd Sunday), St. Matthew's, Costa Mesa CA USA (X Posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:47:44 -0700   Voluntaries Opening - Pastorale - Bach Offertory - The Good Shepherd - Benoit Communion - Sheep May Safely Graze - Bach Closing - Dialogue sur la Trompette - Couperin (Convent Mass)   Hymns Processional - The King of Love My Shepherd Is - Dominus regit me Communion - My Shepherd Will Supply My Need - Resignation Shepherd of Souls, Refresh and Bless - St. Agnes Recessional - All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name - Coronation ('cause I ran out of sheep hymns and I FELT like it) (grin)   Setting - Sancta Maria Magdalena - Willan (Pascha nostrum instead of the Agnus Dei - Russian chant in F major)   Proper - Misericordia - various Anglican chants Gradual - Psalm 23 - single chant, Clark in F   Full church, empty choir (2-1-1-2), so no anthems. The choir has basically headed for the beach. I asked them to sing the newly-ordained priest's First Mass next Sunday, and Pentecost ... I THINK they will. The RECTOR insisted they sing all LAST summer, and it finally caught up with him. They're volunteers, and what with having to move the church in January and all, they're worn OUT. We don't USUALLY stop the weekday rehearsals and the High Mass until the week after Corpus Christi Sunday, but oh well.   I can play organ Masses on my "new" Allen (grin).   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ history and design- two questions From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:50:45 -0500   Hi Mandy, In answer to your questions one place you might look is in William D. Barnes, The Contemporary American Organ (I have the seventh, 1959 edition) it has a clear line drawing of a Hydraulis on page 11. He also discusses = it a bit.   If I remember correctly Audsley's Art of organ Building has some = information on it in Volume I.   These two books should answer both of your questions. My personal feeling is that a lot of organ voice development is experiment and serendipity. Good Luck, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: Organ history and design- two questions     > Hi everyone- > > I'm doing some research on the history/evolution of the organ and was > wondering if any drawings or reproductions of the Hydraulis exist. Any > additional info y'all might have on this instrument would be welcome- = I'm > still trying to imagine in my head (and ears, for that matter) how the thing > worked. > > Also- and I'm not quite sure how to ask this question- with regards to say, > reed pipes and actual reed instruments, is similarity in construction = what > causes the sound to be similar, or did some organ builder years ago > experiment until he found a way of re-creating the sound of various > instruments? Do pipes have the same components as the instruments they = are > representing? I hope I'm communicating what I'm trying to ask, I've been > reading so much info in the past few days my thoughts are jumbled! > > Humbly, > Mandy > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Pneumatic From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:42:37 -0500   Hi dB, Am I the only one that agrees with you about this?? (including the part that I clipped) . I am interested in the type of valve that you propose. Only out of curiosity. Is it similar to a balanced steam governor valve or what??? I thought of that when you wrote "valve spool" in reference to the valve. Would they have double valve seats ? The pilot valve system would only be on large valves, I assume. Small valves would be direct electric ?   I am impressed with the Robert-Morton Carlstead windchest. Made by Larso= n. I am looking at their ad in "Theatre Organ" page 11 Nov/Dec 2000. They st= ill use leather but it looks like they would be fast, and very easy to servic= e. Much easier than the M=F6ller or the Kilgen that I am familiar with.   Luther   -----Original Message----- From: Bob Scarborough Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:28 PM Subject: Re: Pneumatic     >At 13:06 4/28/2001 -0500, you wrote: >>Just what is this new engineering you propose?<snip> > >Elimination of leather pneumatics...period. Use of cast carbon fiber EM >valves that use the "pilot valve" principle, using only a small solenoid= to >create a partial vacuum, thus letting chest pressure then actually do th= e >work of moving the valve spool. Cheap, durable, flexible in >application(can do straight, duplexed, unified, whatever, all with simpl= e >programming changes at the relay). Concerns about poor speech transient= s >with EM action almost always get back to improper or uninformed >installation techniques.>snip< > >Wearing a cahdboahd belt, >dB > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Beagles' Wings From: "WDBabcock" <WDBabcock@email.msn.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:55:49 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C0D0E6.635BF400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   God knows their ears are big enough to be used in flight. ;-? Bill ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: quilisma@socal.rr.com=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:53 PM Subject: Beagles' Wings     and remember.... He will raise you up on eagle's wings!=3D20 (well.... HE WILL!)=3D20   Bruce Cornely     But NOT, God willing, to THAT tune (grin).=3D20   Cheers,=3D20   Bud=3D20     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C0D0E6.635BF400 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>God knows their ears are big enough = to =3D be used in=3D20 flight. ;-?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bill</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dquilisma@socal.rr.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com">quilisma@socal.rr.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 28, 2001 = =3D 3:53=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Beagles' Wings</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3D"CITE"><FONT face=3D3Darial><FONT =3D color=3D3D#000000><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D-1>and remember....&nbsp; He will raise you up on = eagle's=3D20 wings!</FONT></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3Darial><FONT color=3D3D#000000><FONT =3D size=3D3D-1>(well....&nbsp; HE=3D20 WILL!)</FONT></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3Darial><FONT color=3D3D#000000><FONT = size=3D3D-1>Bruce=3D20 Cornely</FONT></FONT></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>But NOT, God willing, to THAT tune (grin).=3D20 <P>Cheers,=3D20 <P>Bud </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C0D0E6.635BF400--    
(back) Subject: Ron Rhode at Mundelein From: "Jon C. Habermaas" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 20:09:33 -0500   Saturday the 28th was a great day for theatre organ fans when Ron played = at the seminary auditorium at Mundelein, Illinois. The program was part of = the Rialto-fest weekend series of events. The organ and organist formed a superb team as Ron selected just the right registrations to showcase the organ. He made good use of the vibra-harp from the WGN organ and the Baldwin Grand Piano played from the organ in the orchestra pit. His = program provided something for everyone with selections which ranged from broadway =   shows to opera, along with many of the favorites of theatre organ fans. The audience enthusiasm was incredible as Ron dazzled them with = each new selection. It was truly theatre organ at its best with organ and organist providing the very best that they had to offer.   jch    
(back) Subject: Re: new mp3 added From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:46:18 -0400   Carlo - Some of us out here in internet land are unable to access Napster due to a phenomenon called a firewall. My current employer provides me w/Internet access and computer, however, since he is footing the bill, his firewall servers won't allow a connection to the Napster site. MP3.com is available but the streaming technology plus the lack of Security via Napster will never be. Please reconsider your choice or add the addtional resource of what I am trying to assume is some tremendous music.   Tom Hoehn, Clearwater, FL      
(back) Subject: Re: Ron Rhode at Mundelein From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:19:18 -0500   If the Mundelein organ is the same as when John Seng left it years back, = it should have plenty of fire in it. I played it as a teen at a CATOE social = in the mid-60s and it was awesome. Knowing Ron Rhode, he probably more-than did the instrument justice.   Rick    
(back) Subject: file transfers From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:28:09 -0400   If anyone was in the process of transferring a file from me, please e-mail me, and I'll send you the file.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Janice Soprano, CCM composer From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:40:36 -0400   Toight's episode of HBO's "The Sopranos" offers some insight about where Contemporary Christian Music comes from. Tony Soprano's disfunctional sister Janice and her narcopleptic boyfriend have "found Jesus," but don't bother to go to church any more. They don't need to, Janice says, because she's found the fastest growing segment of the contemporary music market--CCM--and plans to cash in. As Tony and Carmela arrive at Janice's house to help her fix Christmas dinner, we find Janice and her significant other hard at work writing a new song in the CCM vein on a portable keyboard. "Jesus will clean every stain..." (Lots of bloodstains in this family, so Jesus could prove useful.)   Anybody else see this episode? I love it. It really puts paid to the whole CCM debacle.   Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu  
(back) Subject: Re: file transfers From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:10:44 -0400   I am curious Carlo, how long does it take you to send an MP3 file by = email? Thanks Mike   Carlo Pietroniro wrote:   > If anyone was in the process of transferring a file from me, please = e-mail > me, and I'll send you the file. > > Carlo > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: file transfers From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:10:18 -0400   3MB.........about 5 minutes for me to send............   then it depends on how fast your connection is, for downloading purposes (from your server)   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Latin vs. translations? From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:17:50 -0500     --------------51E7F329300C987D2CD463AA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     Neil asked:   > ...<snip>...Can any of you translate INTO Latin the following? > ...<snip>...   One source I use on a regular basis is the website:   <http://lysy2.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/WORDS.EXE?>.   I admit that I have used it only to translate Latin to English, so I cannot speak to its abilities going the other way.....   ns   --------------51E7F329300C987D2CD463AA Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <br>Neil asked: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font = size=3D-1>...&lt;snip>...Can any of&nbsp; you translate INTO Latin the following?&nbsp; = ...&lt;snip>...</font></font></blockquote>   <p><br>One source I use on a regular basis is the website: <p>&lt;<A = HREF=3D"http://lysy2.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/WORDS.EXE">http://lysy2.archiv= es.nd.edu/cgi-bin/WORDS.EXE</A>?>. <p>I admit that I have used it only to translate Latin to English, so I cannot speak to its abilities going the other way..... <p>ns</html>   --------------51E7F329300C987D2CD463AA--    
(back) Subject: Re: Pneumatic From: "Panning" <jpanning@cal-net.net> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:25:31 -0500   Bob Scarborough writes:   >Use of cast carbon fiber EM >valves that use the "pilot valve" principle, using only a small solenoid = to >create a partial vacuum, thus letting chest pressure then actually do the >work of moving the valve spool. Cheap, durable, flexible in   Ahh, it just isn't Pipechat without an occasional display of Bob on his favorite hobby horse, "Scientia vincit omnia".   >Elimination of expensive, fragile wood in many areas. How about an organ >that can weather a "flood" in a chamber, and play nonetheless, and do so >for a hundred years? Many organs are trashed simply because some = rainwater >invaded, thus making all that fine, clear hardwood basically piles of >kindling due to warpage and splitting. This not only goes for chests, = but >pipework, too. Many experiments in the last century proved it's NOT the >necessarily the material...it's the air column and how it is handled that >is the basic tonal formant. True, the pipe body itself is indeed a >secondary radiator, but far less important in the tonal scheme of things >than what goes on at the mouth.   Let's see...the suggestion here is that we discard an entire industry that is based on working renewable materials by means of relatively simple, inexpensive tools for one that is dependant on petrolem products and = costly industrial equipment, so that we can build instruments that will resist leaking roofs, a malady that must strike, oh, at least one of every thousand organs on the planet. Hmmm. And this will make organs less expensive?   Most list subscribers know that organ pipes have been made of paper, cardboard, cast iron, glass, ivory, stone and other still more exotic natural materials, and can therefore probably conclude that pipes might also be made of fiberglass, vinyl, ABS, HDPE, or other synthetic materials presumably sanctioned by Bob. However, even a moment of thought should reveal that making pipes of such materials either entails massive cost = (who could afford plastic extrusion equipment for every pipe diameter possibly needed in an organ?) or degradation of the organ's tone (by the use of a few, standard diameters or tapers). And how would one voice pipes of such unfriendly materials? Or perhaps the assumption is that they will be scientifically set at the factory, like a plastic recorder, and require no further adjustment on site?   >after canvassing the cost of new organs being built today using >"traditional" methods, it's easy to see why there are fewer and >fewer large organs built every decade.   Organs built using "traditional" methods are pricing ALL pipe organs out = of the market? If this were true, the market would correct the situation: builders of expensive "traditional" pipe organs would disappear. To Bob's evident dismay, this has not happened, and "traditional" American pipe organ builders find themselves with more orders than ever, including an increasing number of orders from overseas, and, to further Bob's distress, they are often quite large.   >Meanwhile, sales of the digital poseur continue to climb, along >with a noticeable increase in the number of competitors offering them, = thus >driving prices to a standstill, while pipe organ prices climb unabated.   Can anyone demonstrate that pipe organs are now more expensive in a real way (compared to median income or other standard) than they ever were? Of course, the dollar cost of pipe organs has gone up, but so has the cost of everything else.   >Clearly, the "traditional" organ is pricing itself out of existence,   Tosh; see above.   >while alternative technologies that would lower initial costs >AND increase MTBF ("meantime between failures", for you non-technicals = out >there) are ignored by chronic technophobes in the organ bizz. They cite >the "Perflex disaster" as justification, when, in reality the ORIGINAL >Preflex formulation worked quite well. It was after the formulation was >CHANGED that it wound up being as big a disaster as Hope-Jones' = experiments >with "rubber cloth" in England.   I wonder how all those Hope-Jones customers who followed the spirit of Bob's advocacy of high tech felt after the H-J experiments failed?   I can think of no builder who was more in sync with Bob's vision than = David Cogswell, who pursued all sorts of space-age "solutions" to organ "problems" (see his article in ISO Information on Fluidic Valves, if you require verification). Unfortunately, his unique vision also led him to pillage organs all over New England. Some years ago, a Midwestern builder attempted to overcome wood's troublesome nature by building windchests of aluminum, another idea that, for some reason, seems not to have won wide acceptance. How many organs had lead tubing replaced with aquarium tubing, which has now dissolved into a slimy mess? And, regardless of how it came about, the "Perflex disaster" is still a real event; the fact that there was a better previous formulation is cold comfort to swindled churches. In fact, nothing could better demonstrate the flaw in the argument for = cutting edge technology: when was the last time the formulation of leather or wood changed?   >>Ego-tripping builders only supply what the ego-tripping purchasers >>want.<snip>   >Oh so true!   When surrounded by such a range of evidence of the failure of unidiomatic technology grafted to the organ, one has to wonder who the ego-tripper is here.   John