PipeChat Digest #2072 - Monday, April 30, 2001
 
Re: Latin (slightly off-topic)
  by "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au>
Jane Parker-Smith in Fort Lauderdale (x-posted)
  by "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net>
Skinner pipework - interested??
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Saint-Saens Pre & Fug in B - error?
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Percy Eastmond Fletcher
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Percy Eastmond Fletcher
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: [organchat] Percy Eastmond Fletcher
  by <Robert_Lind@cch.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2069 - 04/29/01
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Latin vs. translations?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Beagles' Wings
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: new mp3 added
  by <MickBerg2@aol.com>
Re: new mp3 added
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
Re: Latin vs. translations?
  by "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net>
Re: Latin vs. translations?
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: Latin vs. translations?
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
The Organ Classifieds, x-posted again
  by "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net>
Re: Pneumatic
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Janice Soprano, CCM composer
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Pneumatic
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: file transfers
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: file transfers
  by "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net>
organ-building
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Latin vs. translations?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Latin (slightly off-topic) From: "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:58:24 +1000 (EST)   You want to put Latin and Greek back into school?   Well, I have only one thing to say about that...   "Timeo danaos et dona ferentes"   ;)   Mark. (Apologies for spelling)      
(back) Subject: Jane Parker-Smith in Fort Lauderdale (x-posted) From: "Dr. Darryl Miller" <organdok@safari.net> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:50:09 -0400   Hi, Y'all!   The British concert organist, Jane Parker-Smith, was in concert yesterday at First Presbyterian Church (the "pink" church), co-sponsored by the church's concert series and the Fort Lauderdale Chapter of the Guild. I was able to stay only for the first half of the program since I had to play last night, but am glad I was able to hear her again. I remember her fiery and very difficulty virtuoso program at St. Geo's in NYC at the National, and yesterday was more of the same! Wow!   The organ at the Pink Church is a largish 4-manual Schantz from the late 50's or 60's (I think). The room is huuuuuuuge--a big barn--long and narrow, and the console is so far away from the audience. It was good they used a video projection system with the big screen. The big screen certainly enhanced the concert for those who were there. Also, Jane read program notes between pieces. Her script was very clever, witty, and fun. She has a flair, not only in her playing, but in her speach. It was interesting to me that she wore a long, floor length formal coat (of light-weight fabric, I would guess) over pants and blouse. I cann't imagine playing in that coat, but apparently, it didn't bother her! =20 Jane played the following program: Part I Biedrich Wiedermann (1883-1951): Impetuoso Liszt (transcribed by Nicolas Kynaston): Fun=E9railles Elgar (transcription by G. Robertson Sinclair): Pomp and Circumstance No. 4 Karg-Elert: Valse Mignonne, op. 142, no. 3 Durufl=E9: Toccata (from Suite)   Part II Middelschulte: Passacaglia in d minior Vierne: Naiades and Clair de Lune Cochereau (transcribed by Jeremy Filsell): Scherzo Symphonique (1974)   There was a very nice audience made up mostly local church people (my guess) supporting the concert on the Series in their own church. I saw a few Guilders and a few community people. Please note, this is not a complaint about the audience, just an observation. The Pink Church has a good reputation of fine music making in our community and they do a good job of presenting artists to this community. The Fort Lauderdale Chapter often co-sponsors the spring/winter concert organ concert with Jeff and Mark from the Pink Church.=20   Yours,   Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: Skinner pipework - interested?? From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:15:53 -0400   Dear list.   As some of you may recall there was some talk about the remains of a Skinner stored near NYC.   The estate people are anxious now to get rid of it. I may try a(nother) = bid on it this week, and help prevent some of the stuff from being dumpstered.   As a volunteer organization we are looking to possibly obtain the stuff for eventual resale. We have several pipe organ projects in the pipe line and surplus organ parts has been one way to fund-raise.   This may be much larger quantity than we can usually store, but we might want to take the chance if I know there is an interest for the stuff out there. I believe there maybe a 16' open among the stuff. (Cullie!!!)   If we get it we hope to move it quickly, that means cheaply as long term storage may run into money. As volunteers we have practically no overhead and all $$ go right into our organ projects.   Also: IF this goes through, if anyone would want to volunteer some help loading our truck IF and WHEN the time comes to salvage, it would be appreciated.   John V            
(back) Subject: Re: Saint-Saens Pre & Fug in B - error? From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:19:16 -0400   Stefan Johannes Bleicher, on the four-cd set "Camille Saint-Saens: Complete Organ work" (Arte Nova Classics), plays the first A in that measure as A natural. I agree that the Saint-Saens six P & F's are lovely music. I played the first (in F) and third (in C) in the other set, op. 109, as Prelude and Postlude respectively for yesterday's Sunday service, and the latter got a more appreciative response than any Postlude I've done in a while.   Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu  
(back) Subject: Percy Eastmond Fletcher From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:45:43 -0400   anyone know of other works by him, other than "Fountain Reverie" and "Festival Toccata"?   Thanks! Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Percy Eastmond Fletcher From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:11:14 -0400   According to John Henderson's _Directory of Composers for Organ_, Fletcher also wrote: Prelude, Interlude and Postlude (1901), Matinale (1926) and Festal Offertorium (1926), all published by Novello; plus three books of 2-stave Voluntaries from J. Curwen (1905-1911). "'Hymne Angelique,' a poor imitation of Lefebure-Wely's 'Hymn of Nuns', was in a book of voluntaries ca. 1910 published by _The Choir_ journal." Randy Runyon organist, Immanuel Presbyterian Church, Cincinnati runyonr@muohio.edu  
(back) Subject: Re: [organchat] Percy Eastmond Fletcher From: <Robert_Lind@cch.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:21:15 -0500   Try Prelude, Interlude, and Postlude, Op. 27, No. 1-3; Matinale; Festival Offertorium; and 3 books of 2-stave Voluntaries. (from Henderson's Directory)   Bob Lind       From: Carlo Pietroniro <organist@total.net> on 04/30/2001 09:45 AM     anyone know of other works by him, other than "Fountain Reverie" and "Festival Toccata"?   Thanks! Carlo        
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2069 - 04/29/01 From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:43:14 -0400       On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:55:34 EDT LLWheels@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 4/29/2001 4:40:29 PM Central Daylight Time, > pipechat@pipechat.org writes: > > Bob Scarborough wrote: > > > > Hmmmm...there we go! the quick 'n easy cure for > "happy/clappy/7-11 > > > music"...translate all those banal, idiotic lyrics into Latin! > No one > > will > > > know just how bad it really is that way! Worked for the RCs for > > > centuries.... > > > > > > Actually - that's been done -- It's known as music from Taize. > > (Just kidding folks) };-) Running for cover in my flame-retardant > suit, I > remain: > > > Larry L. Wheelock   And Taize is just drivel, too !     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Re: Latin vs. translations? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:47:50 EDT     --part1_d5.5d152fc.281f1b66_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/29/01 5:35:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > "If you cannot play good, play loud." (We know it should be well, but = hey.) > Since we're on the topic of Latin, you really should use good grammar.   "If you cannot play goodly, play loudly." snrk snrk snrk   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d5.5d152fc.281f1b66_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/29/01 5:35:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"If you cannot = play good, play loud." &nbsp;(We know it should be well, but hey.) <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Since we're on the topic of Latin, you really = should use good grammar. <BR> <BR>"If you cannot play goodly, play loudly." &nbsp;&nbsp;snrk snrk snrk <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d5.5d152fc.281f1b66_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Beagles' Wings From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:49:33 EDT     --part1_d2.5d46fe4.281f1bcd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/29/01 5:56:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, WDBabcock@email.msn.com writes:     > God knows their ears are big enough to be used in flight. ;-? > Bill >   .... and occasionally there is enough gas for the engines! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d2.5d46fe4.281f1bcd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/29/01 5:56:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>WDBabcock@email.msn.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">God knows their = ears are big enough to be used in flight. ;-? <BR>Bill <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>... and occasionally there is enough gas for the engines! = &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d2.5d46fe4.281f1bcd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: new mp3 added From: <MickBerg2@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:40:51 EDT     --part1_9f.14901852.281f27d3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Sorry to be off topic, but I must grab this opportunity for help regarding =   MP3 files. I have been unable, so far to download a single MP3 file using Napster. I always get a "Transfer Error." The files I have tried to get average 5 megs. I have America Online and a Supramax ISA modem. (56k) = Anybody out there able to help?? Reply privately to mickberg@aol.com. Many thanks. And, to make this message on topic, may I remind you that instructions to build my PCOrgan (the world's cheapest digital organ) are at my website, http://hometown.aol.com/mickberg/MickBergHomePage.htm Thanks again, Mick Berg.   --part1_9f.14901852.281f27d3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Sorry to be off topic, but I must grab this opportunity for help = regarding <BR>MP3 files. I have been unable, so far to download a single MP3 file = using <BR>Napster. I always get a "Transfer Error." The files I have tried to = get <BR>average 5 megs. I have America Online and a Supramax ISA modem. (56k) = Anybody <BR>out there able to help?? <BR>Reply privately to mickberg@aol.com. <BR>Many thanks. <BR>And, to make this message on topic, may I remind you that instructions = to <BR>build my PCOrgan (the world's cheapest digital organ) are at my = website, <BR>http://hometown.aol.com/mickberg/MickBergHomePage.htm <BR>Thanks again, <BR>Mick Berg.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_9f.14901852.281f27d3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: new mp3 added From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:58:01 -0400   Mick,   here's why you get 'transfer errors': you may have a super fast modem, but = I don't. No matter how fast you are, you can only 'take' as fast as I can 'give'. You can't take any faster than I can give. Also, if more than one person is taking from me, everyone's speed slows down. I really hope = you're able to get the piece you want.   Carlo    
(back) Subject: Re: Latin vs. translations? From: "Colin Hulme" <colin_hulme@lineone.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:32:54 +0100   Since we're on the topic of Latin, you really should use good grammar.   "If you cannot play goodly, play loudly." snrk snrk snrk   Since when is " snrk snrk snrk " good grammar?. Which language is it in?   Snarf snarf snarf.   Cheers,   Colin  
(back) Subject: Re: Latin vs. translations? From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 30 Apr 2001 14:45:11 -0700   On Mon, 30 April 2001, Colin Hulme wrote:   > Since when is " snrk snrk snrk " good grammar?. Which language is it in?   Beaglese.   Dick      
(back) Subject: Re: Latin vs. translations? From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:35:55 -0500       In response to a question from Neil about translating a phrase from English into Latin, I cited a website about which I wrote, in part:   > I admit that I have used it only to translate Latin to English   At the time I posted, this, the host server was unavailable, and going to it for something else, I discover that the reason I have not used it to translate English to Latin is because it doesn't seem possible.   ns    
(back) Subject: The Organ Classifieds, x-posted again From: "Brent Johnson" <bmjohns@fgi.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:47:50 -0500   I wanted to take a moment to remind all of you about the Organ Classifieds. Last time I mentioned the site it was new and there was = little to see. Well, there's stuff to see now, and places to list your FREE classified ads. Sure, there's sites where you can list items to buy or sell, but at www.organclassifieds.com, you can list ANYTHING you want, if = it has to do with organs! Websites, Job Openings, Concerts, Organ Builders, = or anything else. It all goes here, so if you want to share something with = the organ world, or if you want to read what the organ world has to offer, = come visit www.organclassifieds.com. It's there for you! Brent Johnson      
(back) Subject: Re: Pneumatic From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:32:05 -0700   At 22:25 4/29/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Ahh, it just isn't Pipechat without an occasional display of Bob on his >favorite hobby horse, "Scientia vincit omnia".<snip>   ....or this guy's self-annointed, knee-jerking counter-rants!   >However, even a moment of thought should reveal that making pipes of such =   >materials either entails massive cost (who could afford plastic extrusion =   >equipment for every pipe diameter possibly needed in an organ?)<snip>   No one. Sheet material could/would be size from flat stock using solvent melt techniques and heat for stress relief. Reliance on petrochemicals is =   indeed a valid concern, but so is the toxicity of lead and other heavy metals...more so than many pipe people care to believe.   >If this were true, the market would correct the situation: >builders of expensive "traditional" pipe organs would disappear.<snip>   They are. The two big pipe organ houses in the US have been folded for years, and some of the mid-sized builders are in trouble. The bulk of production is now coming from much smaller builders, down into the = "cottage industry" range. Reuter would have been gone already if not for a major infusion of cash from an investor and a strategic alliance with Allen.   >Can anyone demonstrate that pipe organs are now more expensive in a real >way (compared to median income or other standard) than they ever were? Of =   >course, the dollar cost of pipe organs has gone up, but so has the cost = of >everything else.<snip>   Adjustment for inflation, even benchmarked to the 1967 dollar, isn't a consideration here. The consideration is that pipe organs cost a LOT more =   than digitorgs, their main competition...period.   >I wonder how all those Hope-Jones customers who followed the spirit of >Bob's advocacy of high tech felt after the H-J experiments failed?<snip>   Sure, Hope-Jones screwed a LOT of things up, especially tonally. He also came up with some good stuff that most builders still use today.   >Some years ago, a Midwestern builder attempted to overcome wood's >troublesome nature by building windchests of aluminum, another idea that, =   >for some reason, seems not to have won wide acceptance.<snip>   Well, for one, sheet aluminum present many problems, the most obvious = being a "tubby" resonance problem.   >And, regardless of how it came about, the "Perflex disaster" is still a >real event; the fact that there >was a better previous formulation is cold comfort to swindled = churches.<snip>   It wasn't a "disaster" until the formulation was changed. The "swindled" churches got the later formulation, indeed. Many installation of the original Perflex formulation are still working just fine and will probably =   outlast any leather.   >When surrounded by such a range of evidence of the failure of unidiomatic =   >technology grafted to the organ, one has to wonder who the ego-tripper is =   >here.<snip>   Not me...I'm just advancing some thoughts regarding making instruments affordable again, nothing more than that. When one sees the price tags on =   these silly "retro-organs" coming out lately, one MUST challenge the logic =   of Fesperman ("Uncle Fester") et al.   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Janice Soprano, CCM composer From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:35:54 -0700   At 22:40 4/29/2001 -0400, you wrote: >As Tony and Carmela arrive at Janice's house to help her fix Christmas >dinner, we find Janice and her significant other hard at work writing a >new song in the CCM vein on a portable keyboard. "Jesus will clean every =   >stain..." (Lots of bloodstains in this family, so Jesus could prove = useful.) > >Anybody else see this episode? I love it. It really puts paid to the >whole CCM debacle.<snip>   Indeed. To many in the "happy clappy" churches, "Jesus" is a means to = make money without guilt or worry. One thing I've found out over the last 25 years: BEWARE of ANY business brandishing the "Icky Fish" on its signage or advertisng copy...you'll usually pay more, get less, and if there's a problem, it's "God's will".   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: Pneumatic From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:51:08 -0700   At 19:42 4/29/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Am I the only one that agrees with you about this??<snip>   No, there are but a few others.   >I am interested in the type of valve that you propose.<snip>   It involved a dual concentric, Teflon-ringed piston, wherein the smaller,=20 inner piston is actually acted upon by the field from the coil, drawing=20 downward, and accomplishing two things: creating a small partial vacuum=20 that attracts flow from chest wind, and later, uncovers an exhaust port to= =20 atmosphere. The initial flow towards atmosphere would cause the main,=20 outer valve spool to lower to admit wind to the pipe, and, once seated,=20 chest-atmosphere pressure differential would keep it that way until the=20 field from the coil is removed, thus blocking the exhaust port and allowing= =20 the main piston to close, mostly by chest pressure.   Although there's no direct industrial example in use, many industrial=20 pneumatic and hydraulic controls work on similar principles, and have for=20 decades.   >The pilot valve system would only be on large valves, I assume. >Small valves would be direct electric ?<snip>   The concentric piston design could be applied to the entire range of a=20 chest, thus realizing even greater power savings. However, lower cost=20 would dictate the use of single-action EM valves for the trebles.   >I am impressed with the Robert-Morton Carlstead windchest. Made by=20 >Larson. I am looking at their ad in "Theatre Organ" page 11 Nov/Dec 2000.= =20 >They still use leather but it looks like they would be fast, and very easy= =20 >to service.<snip>   A GOOD design would require no service at all, really.   >Much easier than the M=F6ller or the Kilgen that I am familiar with.   Both design disasters from a serviceability point of view. Plus, Kilgen's= =20 action was notoriously slow.   For a common reaction to my ideas, see the response of "Panning" on the=20 list, who also, by the way, seems to be an expert on contemporary= architecture.   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: file transfers From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:52:30 -0700   At 00:19 4/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: >no problem on my end<snip>   Ad...he just DOESN'T GET IT!   dB    
(back) Subject: Re: file transfers From: "Carlo Pietroniro" <organist@total.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:00:10 -0400   Bob, instead of posting that I "don't get it", why not tell me what it is I'm not getting.........   Carlo    
(back) Subject: organ-building From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:18:20 -0700   MY question is: HOW did the 19th century builders manage to turn out = affordable small organs? A lot of them are still playing today.   Someone remarked that the reed organ was the 19th century equivalent of = today's digital organ ... but it seems to me that a two-manual and pedal reed = organ wasn't cheap either, by 19th century standards.   A lot of churches that COULD afford pipe organs in 1900 CAN'T afford pipe = organs in 2001 ... why?   OK, there ARE some outside factors ... there was no personal income tax in = 1900, for instance.   If there are records, has anybody ever compared the charitable = contributions of 1900 with 2000?   That article in The Tracker awhile back said the battle's already been = lost ... maybe so. Small builders will continue to turn out fine pipe organs; the = day of the mass-produced factory pipe organ is probably about over; most small to medium-sized churches will probably buy digital organs, except for the = VERY determined.   I'm not a builder, just a tinkerer ... but I wonder how much of space-age technology CAN be applied to the pipe organ.   The HOUSEKEEPING side, to be sure ... I don't think anyone would attempt = to build an electro-pneumatic combination action for an organ the size of Woolsey = Hall TODAY, though I'm glad they have maintained it, rather than replacing it = ... ditto St. Luke's, Evanston.   It IS convenient for a student to be able to insert a disk with all = his/her settings, particularly in a teaching situation where lesson-time used to = be taken up setting pistons. *I* remember *that* (grin).   But I wonder about the tone-producing side ... don't wooden windchests = contribute to the development of the tone?   Organ-pipes can be (and have been) made out of just about anything that = can be formed into a cylinder or a square ... but there must be a REASON that = builders settled on wood, tin/lead alloys, copper, and zinc.   One doesn't see anything comparable going on in the building of orchestral instruments, at least not to my knowledge. And I don't think any major = orchestra is contemplating replacing their grand piano with an electronic keyboard, = except with a composer calls for it (grin).   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: Latin vs. translations? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:18:42 EDT     --part1_37.145a35f5.281f4cd2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 4/30/01 2:36:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, colin_hulme@lineone.net writes:     > Since when is " snrk snrk snrk " good grammar?. Which language is it in? > It does not qualify as "grammar".... It's audio!! dogital sampling!! = ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_37.145a35f5.281f4cd2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 4/30/01 2:36:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, <BR>colin_hulme@lineone.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Since when is " = snrk snrk snrk " good grammar?. Which language is it in? <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>It does not qualify as "grammar".... &nbsp;It's audio!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;dogital sampling!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_37.145a35f5.281f4cd2_boundary--