PipeChat Digest #2289 - Monday, August 6, 2001
 
Re: Jeanne Loriod
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
RE: Pipe Organ Plus
  by "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com>
Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
New Small Practice Pipe Organ For Sale
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
RE: New Small Practice Pipe Organ For Sale
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Pipe Organ Information OHS
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Pipe Organ Building education for the young at heart
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Pipe Organ Building education for the young at heart
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Jeanne Loriod From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 03:51:37 -0700 (PDT)   Is she the wife of Messiaen, a great pianist in her own right? I thought her first name was Yvonne. --- Mark Quarmby <markq@flex.com.au> wrote: > Just received this news from Paris: > > Jeanne LORIOD est d=E9c=E9d=E9e, hier le 3 ao=FBt 2001 > Jeanne LORIOD is dead, yesterday, august 3, 2001 > > Funeral : august 7, 2001 at Saint-Roch Church > > > >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: Pipe Organ Plus From: "Jackson R. Williams II" <jackwilliams_1999@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 03:56:21 -0700 (PDT)     --- "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> wrote:   > Anyway, if anyone finds out where one can have this > done maybe I can take my > LP, scratchy as it is, to be done. For me and to my > ears it contains the > best playing ever of the St. Anne P&F.   Take your LP's to a recording engineer and have him transfer them to CD. I think this should work. I love so many of Bigg's recordings. His Soler double concertos (with Daniel Pinkham on the other organ) are superb and sparkling.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 06:27:03 -0500       Bud asked Sebastian:   > you mean you CAN'T use a SawzAll to shorten pipes? (grinning, ducking)   Seems to me, depends upon whether you want the pipe to work afterwards, or = not.....   You can make it nice and sharp with a file, or good and flat with a biiiig = hammer....    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 06:27:03 -0500       Bud asked Sebastian:   > you mean you CAN'T use a SawzAll to shorten pipes? (grinning, ducking)   Seems to me, depends upon whether you want the pipe to work afterwards, or = not.....   You can make it nice and sharp with a file, or good and flat with a biiiig = hammer....    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 06:27:03 -0500       Bud asked Sebastian:   > you mean you CAN'T use a SawzAll to shorten pipes? (grinning, ducking)   Seems to me, depends upon whether you want the pipe to work afterwards, or = not.....   You can make it nice and sharp with a file, or good and flat with a biiiig = hammer....    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 06:27:03 -0500       Bud asked Sebastian:   > you mean you CAN'T use a SawzAll to shorten pipes? (grinning, ducking)   Seems to me, depends upon whether you want the pipe to work afterwards, or = not.....   You can make it nice and sharp with a file, or good and flat with a biiiig = hammer....    
(back) Subject: New Small Practice Pipe Organ For Sale From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:12:49 EDT     --part1_53.9c0a7aa.289fffe1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I am advertising this for a friend and colleague who has been my organ technician for many years.   Small, new practice pipe organ for sale   2 ranks: 8 flute (wood) 4 octave (metal), all exposed   Cutaway 2 man console   Great: 8 Principal (tc), 8 Bourdon, 4 Octave, 4 Bourdon, 2-2/3 Nazard, 2 = Blockflote   Swell: 8 Bourdon, 4 Principal, 4 Bourdon, 2 Octave, 1-1/3 Quint, Tremolo (prep)   Pedal: 16 Bourdon (wired as a resultant), 8 Principal, 8 Bourdon, 4 Octave, 4 = Bourdon   -Music rack and Pedal klavier lights -Newly finished console with brand new Peterson Solid State switching -brand new Oak case work -walnut sharps and maple naturals -rocker tablet stops -brand new electric valve chests and Meitinger blower -key switch for blower   Asking $18,000.00 or best REASONABLE offer (delivery and setup negotiable, depending on location)   Respond to: fabryinc@aol.com or call David Fabry at (847) 542-1082   --part1_53.9c0a7aa.289fffe1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D2>I am = advertising this for a friend and colleague who has been my organ <BR>technician for many years. <BR> <BR>Small, new practice pipe organ for sale <BR> <BR>2 ranks: &nbsp;8 flute (wood) 4 octave (metal), all exposed <BR> <BR>Cutaway 2 man console <BR> <BR>Great: &nbsp; <BR>8 Principal (tc), 8 Bourdon, 4 Octave, 4 Bourdon, 2-2/3 Nazard, 2 = Blockflote <BR> <BR>Swell: <BR>8 Bourdon, 4 Principal, 4 Bourdon, 2 Octave, 1-1/3 Quint, Tremolo = (prep) <BR> <BR>Pedal: <BR>16 Bourdon (wired as a resultant), 8 Principal, 8 Bourdon, 4 Octave, 4 = Bourdon <BR> <BR>-Music rack and Pedal klavier lights <BR>-Newly finished console with brand new Peterson Solid State switching <BR>-brand new Oak case work <BR>-walnut sharps and maple naturals <BR>-rocker tablet stops <BR>-brand new electric valve chests and Meitinger blower <BR>-key switch for blower <BR> <BR>Asking $18,000.00 or best REASONABLE offer <BR>(delivery and setup negotiable, depending on location) <BR> <BR>Respond to: &nbsp;fabryinc@aol.com or call David Fabry at (847) = 542-1082</FONT></HTML>   --part1_53.9c0a7aa.289fffe1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 23:09:24 -0400   Dear David, I remember my father using an electrical soldering iron which had a hexagonal head to it about a 1" OD (approx) at the head. That was the clumsiest thing I have ever seen. I know there is an art to making pipes which takes many years of practice under the guidance of masters but that = is understood. I would never attempt to make pipes for an organ (that is that might have a chance of working) I was just adding my comments that solder can work to hold on newly made ears and possibly to rid a pipe of nicks. I guess as an old A F engineering officer, I always believe in the possible, that there has to be a way.It reminds me of taking the wings off of one F-105 which had a badly damaged fuselage and putting them on an airplane that had badly damaged wings. Our problem was what tail number should we use. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons     > At 2:02 PM -0400 8/5/01, TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > >I do not know of any pipemakers currently heating their soldering irons over > >an open pyre, switching off mid-seam to a feistier brander as they > >subsequently cool. > > Seb > > The pipemakers at Eastern Organ Pipes use irons heated on gas > burners. And I have seen them switch irons in the middle of a large > pipe. I think most of us use the electric ones but some of the pipe > shops do still use ones heated on burners. And they do grind them > for their own preferences. I seem to remember that one of the pipe > makers is left handed and he has his irons ground for his working as > a lefty. > > David > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: New Small Practice Pipe Organ For Sale From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:47:05 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C11E86.A9039600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   What, no Bombarde 32, mixtures strings or reeds!! :) -----Original Message----- From: ScottFop@aol.com [mailto:ScottFop@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 10:13 AM To: pandk@ciaccess.com; RMB10@aol.com; music-l@lists.ufl.edu; Devon3000@aol.com; NEWTNORG@aol.com; tomlew1@juno.com; Tomlew2@aol.com; PipeOrgan4@aol.com; liturgicalmusic@yahoogroups.com; = pipechat@pipechat.org; piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu; wvance@umich.edu; theatreorgans-l@theatreorgans.com Subject: New Small Practice Pipe Organ For Sale     I am advertising this for a friend and colleague who has been my organ technician for many years.   Small, new practice pipe organ for sale   2 ranks: 8 flute (wood) 4 octave (metal), all exposed   Cutaway 2 man console   Great: 8 Principal (tc), 8 Bourdon, 4 Octave, 4 Bourdon, 2-2/3 Nazard, 2 = Blockflote     Swell: 8 Bourdon, 4 Principal, 4 Bourdon, 2 Octave, 1-1/3 Quint, Tremolo (prep)   Pedal: 16 Bourdon (wired as a resultant), 8 Principal, 8 Bourdon, 4 Octave, 4 Bourdon   -Music rack and Pedal klavier lights -Newly finished console with brand new Peterson Solid State switching -brand new Oak case work -walnut sharps and maple naturals -rocker tablet stops -brand new electric valve chests and Meitinger blower -key switch for blower   Asking $18,000.00 or best REASONABLE offer (delivery and setup negotiable, depending on location)   Respond to: fabryinc@aol.com or call David Fabry at (847) 542-1082   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C11E86.A9039600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D337024614-06082001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>What, no Bombarde 32, mixtures strings or reeds!! :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D337024614-06082001><FONT face=3DGaramond color=3D#800000></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> ScottFop@aol.com [mailto:ScottFop@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 06, 2001 10:13 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pandk@ciaccess.com; RMB10@aol.com; music-l@lists.ufl.edu; =   Devon3000@aol.com; NEWTNORG@aol.com; tomlew1@juno.com; Tomlew2@aol.com; PipeOrgan4@aol.com; liturgicalmusic@yahoogroups.com; = pipechat@pipechat.org; piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu; wvance@umich.edu; theatreorgans-l@theatreorgans.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> New Small Practice = Pipe Organ For Sale<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT color=3D#0000a0 size=3D2>I am advertising this for a friend and colleague = who has been my organ <BR>technician for many years. <BR><BR>Small, new practice = pipe organ for sale <BR><BR>2 ranks: &nbsp;8 flute (wood) 4 octave (metal), all =   exposed <BR><BR>Cutaway 2 man console <BR><BR>Great: &nbsp; <BR>8 = Principal (tc), 8 Bourdon, 4 Octave, 4 Bourdon, 2-2/3 Nazard, 2 Blockflote = <BR><BR>Swell: <BR>8 Bourdon, 4 Principal, 4 Bourdon, 2 Octave, 1-1/3 Quint, Tremolo = (prep) <BR><BR>Pedal: <BR>16 Bourdon (wired as a resultant), 8 Principal, 8 = Bourdon, 4 Octave, 4 Bourdon <BR><BR>-Music rack and Pedal klavier lights <BR>-Newly finished console with brand new Peterson Solid State switching <BR>-brand = new Oak case work <BR>-walnut sharps and maple naturals <BR>-rocker tablet = stops <BR>-brand new electric valve chests and Meitinger blower <BR>-key switch = for blower <BR><BR>Asking $18,000.00 or best REASONABLE offer <BR>(delivery = and setup negotiable, depending on location) <BR><BR>Respond to: &nbsp;fabryinc@aol.com or call David Fabry at (847) 542-1082</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C11E86.A9039600--  
(back) Subject: RE: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:51:31 -0400   On the subject of organ building, is there a contemporary publication on = the subject that one would recommend? What I mean by "contemporary" is = published within the last decade and 1/2. And what I mean by organ building is the actual art/craft of building an organ and all it involves including = voicing. (Or should I wake up!) Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: Paul Valtos [mailto:chercapa@enter.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 11:09 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons     Dear David, I remember my father using an electrical soldering iron which had a hexagonal head to it about a 1" OD (approx) at the head. That was the clumsiest thing I have ever seen. I know there is an art to making pipes which takes many years of practice under the guidance of masters but that = is understood. I would never attempt to make pipes for an organ (that is that might have a chance of working) I was just adding my comments that solder can work to hold on newly made ears and possibly to rid a pipe of nicks. I guess as an old A F engineering officer, I always believe in the possible, that there has to be a way.It reminds me of taking the wings off of one F-105 which had a badly damaged fuselage and putting them on an airplane that had badly damaged wings. Our problem was what tail number should we use. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Pipemakers' Soldering Irons     > At 2:02 PM -0400 8/5/01, TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > >I do not know of any pipemakers currently heating their soldering irons over > >an open pyre, switching off mid-seam to a feistier brander as they > >subsequently cool. > > Seb > > The pipemakers at Eastern Organ Pipes use irons heated on gas > burners. And I have seen them switch irons in the middle of a large > pipe. I think most of us use the electric ones but some of the pipe > shops do still use ones heated on burners. And they do grind them > for their own preferences. I seem to remember that one of the pipe > makers is left handed and he has his irons ground for his working as > a lefty. > > David > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Information OHS From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:16:06 EDT   Hi Robert:   OHS has a rather complete library of VHS videos on organ building.=20 Pipes in the Wind is an excellent starter. Don't waste your money on Pulling out all the Stops. There are a couple of dozen VHS videos of demonstrations by various organ builders on most pipe organ subjects Pick and choose the ones that may meet your needs. Since organ building is pretty much an artisan art, things haven't changed very much since Dom Bedos de Celes. Interested in tracker building? One is by H.F. Milne and the other is by Mark Wicks (No relation to Wicks Organ Co.) Aside from paper pipe construction, there is a rather good set of fold outs of chests and consoles, linkages etc. in both books. There are at least a couple of dozen other good books on the subject.   Regards,   Ron Severin       http://www.musicbase.org/E/SEV001.html J=E4ger und Brommer Orgelbau St. Mary's by the Sea  
(back) Subject: Re: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:33:21 EDT   Hi List:   Anyone interested in the home organ that has everything? Check this one out! Go to the Wicks Organ Co. Website, click on specifications, click on Barry Norris Residence Organ, Birmingham, Alabama. It seems to be all pipes, no cheap digital stuff here! It could be the largest home organ ever built. When you see the spec. you'll wonder how the foundations of the home supports the weight. Just for the purist! LOL :)   Regards,   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: RE: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:38:53 -0400   Oh my god! I can't imagine. What is odd is that with such a listing one would think the Wicks company would have at least a brief explanation or description of the house and maybe a photo of the house and, of course, = the organ. Not to mention about Barry Norris.     -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com [mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:33 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home     Hi List:   Anyone interested in the home organ that has everything? Check this one out! Go to the Wicks Organ Co. Website, click on specifications, click on Barry Norris Residence Organ, Birmingham, Alabama. It seems to be all pipes, no cheap digital stuff here! It could be the largest home organ ever built. When you see the spec. you'll wonder how the foundations of the home supports the weight. Just for the purist! LOL :)   Regards,   Ron Severin     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:48:03 -0700   I think it's NOT pipes ... the caption says "SEVERAL" ranks of Wicks = pipes. I'll BET it's mostly digital, but that's HUGE, even for a digital organ.   Cheers,   Bud   "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > Oh my god! I can't imagine. What is odd is that with such a listing one > would think the Wicks company would have at least a brief explanation or > description of the house and maybe a photo of the house and, of course, = the > organ. Not to mention about Barry Norris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: RonSeverin@aol.com [mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:33 AM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home > > Hi List: > > Anyone interested in the home organ that has everything? Check this one > out! Go to the Wicks Organ Co. Website, click on specifications, > click on Barry Norris Residence Organ, Birmingham, Alabama. It seems > to be all pipes, no cheap digital stuff here! It could be the largest = home > organ ever built. When you see the spec. you'll wonder how the = foundations > of the home supports the weight. Just for the purist! LOL :) > > Regards, > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:51:22 -0400   I surely is and look at all the individual upper harmonics ranks! Except = in historic italian organs (mostly) one would not even find that in a pipe organ. Even if it IS digital it must be "home made," as it were.   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:48 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home     I think it's NOT pipes ... the caption says "SEVERAL" ranks of Wicks = pipes. I'll BET it's mostly digital, but that's HUGE, even for a digital organ.   Cheers,   Bud   "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > Oh my god! I can't imagine. What is odd is that with such a listing one > would think the Wicks company would have at least a brief explanation or > description of the house and maybe a photo of the house and, of course, the > organ. Not to mention about Barry Norris. > > -----Original Message----- > From: RonSeverin@aol.com [mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 11:33 AM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: The pentultimate pipe organ for the home > > Hi List: > > Anyone interested in the home organ that has everything? Check this one > out! Go to the Wicks Organ Co. Website, click on specifications, > click on Barry Norris Residence Organ, Birmingham, Alabama. It seems > to be all pipes, no cheap digital stuff here! It could be the largest = home > organ ever built. When you see the spec. you'll wonder how the = foundations > of the home supports the weight. Just for the purist! LOL :) > > Regards, > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Building education for the young at heart From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:33:46 EDT   Hi Robert:   I don't have clue as to where you live, but there has to be an organ = builder within a reasonable driving distance from you. You may want to see pipes being made, call them and find out when they may be pouring pipe metal and making pipes. When I was a teenager @#years ago, I watched this process many times. You stand out of the way and don't breathe too hard. Watching is just as much of an art as the actual doing. Find out when pipes are being voiced. I used to haunt a small organ shop in Los Angeles when Pieter Visser and I were both young. I wangled a couple of summer = jobs just to be there. I guess they got darn tired of shooing me home on my bicycle. Persistence does pay off! I was 14 and Pieter was about 19 at the time. He was already a master builder, having apprenticed with Versherin and Flentrop. He told me before he left Holland he had the keys to well over 400 famous organs, and was the tuner and maintainer for them. Pieter was a civilian pilot during the Vietnam war and flew 747's supply planes for the US Government. He missed organ building and moved to TX and formed his own shop and is even now building tracker pipe organs. He now has honorary Ph D's for his teaching work in the University system in TX. I've known Pieter for nearly 45 years, brilliant and focused man. Do our tonal tastes always match? Probably not, but being human, that's to be expected. He prefers liturature based instruments, and I prefer service oriented instruments. I respect him greatly, and is a fine God = fearing soul.   Perhaps you'll be able to develop a relationship with an organ builder, = and go and watch in silence like a fly on the wall. Noise is a distraction to these highly trained men. I learned shop ettiquette fast. That's how badly I = wanted to learn. I ignored, "Oh God, He's Back!" and just smiled. I was pretty mature for 14. Sometimes I'd make light of this and quietly bow in their direction. :)   Ron Severin   PS These are rememberances totally treasured after 45 years of = observation. I'm still fascinated by it as I ever was then, perhaps more so now.  
(back) Subject: RE: Pipe Organ Building education for the young at heart From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:46:02 -0400   Well, I'm not 14. (Wish that I were!) I live in NYC. There isn't even a yellow pages listing for organ builders in this, the "great city of NY." = Can you imagine! Of course I realize there are folks out there tuning and maintaining, but they must be "organ maintainers" for there are lots o' wonderful instruments is the big Mela. But these "organ maintainers" are = not even listed in the yellow pages. Sounds like a clique to me. Some secret masonic- or mafia-like group of organ maintainers. Ha, ha. I just don't know. It seems to be a "word-of-mouth" situation. Thanks for sharing the memories. They sound like a treasure to keep with = you forever. Robert PS I've since relooked at the listings you recommended on OHS site. Wonderful videos. I see quite a few that I'd like to view.   -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com [mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 12:34 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Building education for the young at heart     Hi Robert:   I don't have clue as to where you live, but there has to be an organ = builder within a reasonable driving distance from you. You may want to see pipes being made, call them and find out when they may be pouring pipe metal and making pipes. When I was a teenager @#years ago, I watched this process many times. You stand out of the way and don't breathe too hard. Watching is just as much of an art as the actual doing. Find out when pipes are being voiced. I used to haunt a small organ shop in Los Angeles when Pieter Visser and I were both young. I wangled a couple of summer = jobs just to be there. I guess they got darn tired of shooing me home on my bicycle. Persistence does pay off! I was 14 and Pieter was about 19 at the time. He was already a master builder, having apprenticed with Versherin and Flentrop. He told me before he left Holland he had the keys to well over 400 famous organs, and was the tuner and maintainer for them. Pieter was a civilian pilot during the Vietnam war and flew 747's supply planes for the US Government. He missed organ building and moved to TX and formed his own shop and is even now building tracker pipe organs. He now has honorary Ph D's for his teaching work in the University system in TX. I've known Pieter for nearly 45 years, brilliant and focused man. Do our tonal tastes always match? Probably not, but being human, that's to be expected. He prefers liturature based instruments, and I prefer service oriented instruments. I respect him greatly, and is a fine God fearing soul.   Perhaps you'll be able to develop a relationship with an organ builder, = and go and watch in silence like a fly on the wall. Noise is a distraction to these highly trained men. I learned shop ettiquette fast. That's how badly I wanted to learn. I ignored, "Oh God, He's Back!" and just smiled. I was pretty mature for 14. Sometimes I'd make light of this and quietly bow in their direction. :)   Ron Severin   PS These are rememberances totally treasured after 45 years of = observation. I'm still fascinated by it as I ever was then, perhaps more so now.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org