PipeChat Digest #2294 - Tuesday, August 7, 2001
 
Re: want to know more about these parts...
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: compasses, etc.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: want to know more about these parts...
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
RE: want to know more about these parts...
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Barry Norris Residence Organ
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mahopper1999@yahoo.com>
RE: compasses, etc.
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Barry Norris Residence Organ
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Barry Norris Residence Organ
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: The biggie combo organ for the home
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: want to know more about these parts...
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Barry Norris Residence Organ
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: want to know more about these parts...
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Ton Koopman...
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Ton Koopman...
  by "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
RE: Ton Koopman...
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: want to know more about these parts... From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 08:26:38 -0700   >Dear John, >Why don't you take pictures of the stuff, look up the list of APOBA, and >send the list with the pictures to all of them.   Good idea   Thnx   john --  
(back) Subject: RE: compasses, etc. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:46:32 -0400   Oh I've heard Courboin play for two years in training (my freshman and sophomore years) in college I attended the Solemn High Mass (as it was = then called) at St. Pat's every sunday then returned for Vespers @ 4:00. It was still in Latin. His Postludes--as everyone else filed out and I remained = to listen--were so inspiring and uplifting and super fantastic. I also heard = he had very bad arthritis in his hands and let me tell you, if that man had arthritis and pain, well it all left when he sat to play. His = improvisations were spectacular. His music soared beyond the cathedral. I've not heard that, as I said previously, at St. Pat's since. Of course, Fanny Spellman was the Cardinal Archibishop then and did not allow non-liturgical music = so Courboin was limited to preludes, postludes and improvs on hymns during communion or long "dead spots" in the mass. I'm sure he also used that 64' gravissima they have there. The entire Cathedral and the human body just grumbled and shivered literally like jelly from the bass not ever heard = but only felt. I'll never forget those experiences, obviously.   -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com [mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:13 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: compasses, etc.     Hi Robert:   Now I'm going to have dig out that artical from TAO written by Ray Biswanger. I could be ten years off on the date it also could have been 1904. = Lynnwood died in 1930 at age 45. Charles Courboin came here in his late teens or 20's. He and Firmin Swinnen were the Felix Hell's of their day. Charles = according to the artical liked fast cars, just like old EMS. Both had their share of auto accidents, but Charles was injured badly during the 20's or early = 30's in one and was in pain until his death. He was tall and dashing and always surrounded by adoring women. He was born in 1886 and died in 1973 The story appeared in the TAO 1996 in three installments September, November and December 1996. Charles was the organist of Antwerp Cathedral 1902-04 and packed um in 12,000 strong at times for concerts. He was only 16-18 years old. He was one of the most interesting players who ever lived, so was Firmin Swinnen. I heard Charles play via MidNight Christmas Mass from St. Pat's on tape delay. If you can immagine Virgil Fox and Hector Olivera hanging out in the same body, then you have some idea of how Charles, and Firmin played the organ. They were Bel's like Cesar Franck. IMHO the TAO should reissue the whole story again, because what you can learn is valuable stuff.   Regards,   Ron Severin   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: want to know more about these parts... From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 09:00:04 -0400   did someone say, "take pictures"??? ;)   John Vanderlee wrote:   > >Dear John, > >Why don't you take pictures of the stuff, look up the list of APOBA, = and > >send the list with the pictures to all of them. > > Good idea > > Thnx > > john > -- > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: want to know more about these parts... From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:11:22 -0400   Anyone have an adjustable bench they wanna get rid of? Short legs are a b*tch when you're an organist. I didn't wanna pay the extra $200 for an adjustable bench when I purchased my organ. Do you blame me!!   -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee [mailto:jovanderlee@vassar.edu] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 8:16 PM To: PipeChat Subject: want to know more about these parts...     Hi People, Our group had a few things on Ebay that did not sell. I might list them again, but would like to inquire first if there would be any interest among you people, and in the instance of the last two items if some one could tell me more. The first concerns an organ bench back rest ONLY. I thought it might be a popular item. Apparently not. My start price could be too high. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1451541953&r=3D0&t= =3D0&sh owTutorial=3D0&ed=3D997114549&indexURL=3D0&rd=3D1   Ditto for the second item: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1451544514&r=3D0&t= =3D0&sh owTutorial=3D0&ed=3D997115315&indexURL=3D0&rd=3D1   The following two I may have wrongly described. Does anyone recognize these actions? Is it possible they may never have belonged to an organ? could they be a vacuum system? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1451561853&r=3D0&t= =3D0&sh owTutorial=3D0&ed=3D997120498&indexURL=3D0&rd=3D1 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1451565457&r=3D0&t= =3D0&sh owTutorial=3D0&ed=3D997121262&indexURL=3D0&rd=3D1   Any and all (constructive) advice appreciated.   John V   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Barry Norris Residence Organ From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mahopper1999@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:16:36 -0400     Hi Folks!   I am from Birmingham & am acquainted with Barry and the "monster organ"...   The Birmingham News did a spread on Barry and this instrument in December 1999. It had some decent pictures. If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to scan it & email it privately.   Ciao!   Mark L. Hopper Organist/Music Associate First Baptist Church Henderson, NC markhopper@ncol.net     _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com    
(back) Subject: RE: compasses, etc. From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:18:50 -0400   I fully agree. It was sufficiently "loud" with Courboin. What's loud? Nothing. (I'm not arguing with you here, I'm agreeing in making my own statements, BTW.) I can't stop going on about how magnificently Courboin played, well I guess those of you who heard him know that. I'm happy to = have lived to hear him, frankly. I'd sit in the cathedral every sunday with my Liber Usualis (good little student was I) and follow the mass--the = cathedral choir and seminarian choir antiphonally chanted propers in toto at the = high mass and at vespers while Fanny dusted us with incense from her purse. Anyway, good memories.   -----Original Message----- From: ahremsen40@aol.com [mailto:ahremsen40@aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 5:20 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: compasses, etc.     Bob,   Dr. Courboin had actually retired before he died. He died in the early = 70's   and was not happy when Grady was appointed the organist at St. Patricks. Grady had been gunning for the position for years and finally got it. = Grady   died of a heart attack, no mystery attached. The reason you haven't heard =   the organ at St. Patrick's sing the way it used to is that it can't! Dr. Courboin had taken what was really a rather poor Kilgen and turned it into = a   world class romantic instrument. It had such wonderful ensembles, the mixtures were pure silver, I could go on but there's no point. Grady. a know nothing, started the "revamping" which goes on to this day. The organ is now so obnixous it drives you out of the building, the Great mixtures and Solo =   reeds being ugly in the extreme. But I'll give the "revampers" this, they =   sure did make the instrument LOUD!   Best, Allan Remsen   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Barry Norris Residence Organ From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:38:39 -0400   This is truly and superb site Robert Colasacco PS And thanks for the info on the Barry organ. I wrote to Wicks yesterday asking for more info. Now if they don't get back to me, well, who cares. Thanks again, Robert     You might also check out Jim's superb "Organ History" website at http://bsc.edu/~jhcook/OrgHist/index.html. A truly excellent resource he = is continuing to develop for his students.   /Harry Martenas     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Barry Norris Residence Organ From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:42:00 -0400   Do you think you can put them on a web site for us all to see? Robert   -----Original Message----- From: Mark L. Hopper [mailto:mahopper1999@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:17 AM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Barry Norris Residence Organ       Hi Folks!   I am from Birmingham & am acquainted with Barry and the "monster organ"...   The Birmingham News did a spread on Barry and this instrument in December 1999. It had some decent pictures. If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to scan it & email it privately.   Ciao!   Mark L. Hopper Organist/Music Associate First Baptist Church Henderson, NC markhopper@ncol.net     _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: The biggie combo organ for the home From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:49:38 -0400   It's possible that the individual wants to limit the amount of publicity = and unnecessary notoriety something like this can bring. In light of other recent postings of folks who have either seen and/or played the = instrument, the instrument does seem to exist as it appears thru it's specifications. Personally, I'd love to own such a beast and would not want the hoards of publicity it could bring. I'd certainly tuck it away. Robert Colasacco   Does it not seem odd that something so potentially special and fascinating =   seems to be so tucked away? What thinkest thou?   SMG   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: want to know more about these parts... From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 10:00:51 -0700   >Anyone have an adjustable bench they wanna get rid of? Short legs are a >b*tch when you're an organist. I didn't wanna pay the extra $200 for an >adjustable bench when I purchased my organ. Do you blame me!! >=3D997115315&indexURL=3D0&rd=3D1   We have one that cranks up and down but needs restoration. I think that with shipping and the cost of the bench you'd come pretty close to that amount. To me $200 does not seem that bad.   John V --  
(back) Subject: Barry Norris Residence Organ From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 11:50:09 -0400   Well, here's the official reply from Wicks. I wrote to them yesterday = before everyone who knows the story contacted the list.   -----Original Message----- From: Scott Wick [mailto:scottw@wicks.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 11:22 AM To: RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org Subject: RE: Barry Norris Residence Organ     Dear Robert: This instrument is all pipes. Barry has collected pipes from instruments from all over and saved them to put in his instrument. He has used Wicks chests exclusively through out the entire instrument. Thank you for you interest. If I can be of further assistance please let me know. Scott M. Wick   -----Original Message----- From: Gaytha Kuhn [mailto:gayk@wicks.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:21 PM To: Scott Subject: FW: Barry Norris Residence Organ         -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 4:13 PM To: 'organs@wicks.com' Subject: Barry Norris Residence Organ     Dear Wicks Organs, A discussion has been on-going for the whole day now as to whether the = Barry Norris Organ listed under specifications on your web site and is so huge = for a home organ, if it is entirely a pipe organ or is it partially pipe and partially digital/electronic? Since the site states that there are some wicks pipes in the organ one person took that to mean that the rest of the organ is digital. Thanking you in advance for a reply, I remain, Sincerely,   Robert B. Colasacco Administrative Assistant/Secretary Distinguished Colleagues Population Council One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza New York, NY 10017 Direct Telephone: (212) 339-0685 Main Telephone: (212) 339-0500 Fax: (212) 755-6052 e-mail: rcolasacco@popcouncil.org Visit our web site: www.popcouncil.org          
(back) Subject: Re: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:23:46 EDT   Dear List:   The historical Italian Organ by Francesco Ruffatti is in the June issue 2001 of the Diapason.   How the principal ranks break back:   Ranks 1-13 14-18 19-25 26-30 31-37 38-42 = 43-49 Principale 8' 1-13 14-18 19-25 26-30 31-37 38-42 = 43-49 Ottava 4' 13-25 26-30 31-37 38-42 43-49 50-54 = 55-61 Decimaquinta 2' 25-37 38-42 43-49 50-54 55-61 62-66 67-73 Decimanona 1 1/3' 32-44 45-49 50-56 57-61 62-68 69-73 62-68 Vegisima Secunda 1' 37-49 50-54 55-61 62-68 69-73 62-68 69-73 Vegisima Sesta 2/3' 44-56 57-61 62-68 69-73 62-68 69-73 62-68 Vegisima Nona 1/2' 49-61 62-66 67-73 62-66 67-73 62-66 67-73 Trigesima terza 1/3' 56-68 69-73 62-68 69-73 62-68 69-73 62-68 Trigesima Sesta 1/4' 61-73 62-66 67-73 62-66 67-73 62-66 67-73   In the Italian organ once the 73rd pipe is reached a break back of an = octave is effected in each rank. Someone on the list asked about how the separate draw mixture stops worked. I tried to make a table out of it and I hope it prints ok after all the work. Francesco Ruffatti's artical makes fascinating reading, and I highly recomend it for history buffs. The 73rd pipe is top C of a 4' rank   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: RE: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:33:43 -0400   I don't understand why there are "ranks" 1-13, 14-15, etc. Am I reading = that incorrectly accross? Is the word Rank to be read as the heading of column = I and the numbers horizontally across to be read as notes?   -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com [mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:24 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason     Dear List:   The historical Italian Organ by Francesco Ruffatti is in the June issue 2001 of the Diapason.   How the principal ranks break back:   Ranks 1-13 14-18 19-25 26-30 31-37 38-42 43-49 Principale 8' 1-13 14-18 19-25 26-30 31-37 38-42 43-49 Ottava 4' 13-25 26-30 31-37 38-42 43-49 50-54 55-61 Decimaquinta 2' 25-37 38-42 43-49 50-54 55-61 62-66 67-73 Decimanona 1 1/3' 32-44 45-49 50-56 57-61 62-68 69-73 62-68 Vegisima Secunda 1' 37-49 50-54 55-61 62-68 69-73 62-68 69-73 Vegisima Sesta 2/3' 44-56 57-61 62-68 69-73 62-68 69-73 62-68 Vegisima Nona 1/2' 49-61 62-66 67-73 62-66 67-73 62-66 67-73 Trigesima terza 1/3' 56-68 69-73 62-68 69-73 62-68 69-73 62-68 Trigesima Sesta 1/4' 61-73 62-66 67-73 62-66 67-73 62-66 67-73   In the Italian organ once the 73rd pipe is reached a break back of an = octave is effected in each rank. Someone on the list asked about how the separate draw mixture stops worked. I tried to make a table out of it and I hope it prints ok after all the work. Francesco Ruffatti's artical makes fascinating reading, and I highly recomend it for history buffs. The 73rd pipe is top C of a 4' rank   Ron Severin   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:48:34 EDT   Robert:   The word rank heads the rank column the numbers show the keys affected. The Italian keyboards only go to note 49. the numbers show the key column and the break backs.   Ron    
(back) Subject: RE: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:49:53 -0400   Thats what I thought. I was right. thank you.   -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com [mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:49 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Italian Organs June 2001 Diapason     Robert:   The word rank heads the rank column the numbers show the keys affected. The Italian keyboards only go to note 49. the numbers show the key column and the break backs.   Ron     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: want to know more about these parts... From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 13:52:37 -0400   For a bench $200 does not seem that bad!!!!!!!! Hel-lo.   -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee [mailto:jovanderlee@vassar.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 1:01 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: want to know more about these parts...     >Anyone have an adjustable bench they wanna get rid of? Short legs are a >b*tch when you're an organist. I didn't wanna pay the extra $200 for an >adjustable bench when I purchased my organ. Do you blame me!! >=3D997115315&indexURL=3D0&rd=3D1   We have one that cranks up and down but needs restoration. I think that with shipping and the cost of the bench you'd come pretty close to that amount. To me $200 does not seem that bad.   John V --   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Ton Koopman... From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:05:02 -0400   has just completed a recording of the complete works of Bach. I read that = he performs the works entirely using only toes in the pedal as was the technique practiced by Bach and his contemporanei. Is anyone familiar with these recordings and if so do you recommend them? If not would someone recommend a "complete organ works of JSBach" recording. I have the LPs by Walter Kraft (guess how old that is!!) which I purchased when they came = out. Frankly, if they were in CD I'd get 'em but now I want a CD recording = since I no longer can use my turntable of whatever they may be called now that they're defunct. Getting back to"toes only" technique I should think that that was the case only because the pedals were short like one sees today on those silly = little "spinettes" (spinach). Am I wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time, hard as = that is to believe. :)))))))))))   Robert B. Colasacco Administrative Assistant/Secretary Distinguished Colleagues Population Council One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza New York, NY 10017 Direct Telephone: (212) 339-0685 Main Telephone: (212) 339-0500 Fax: (212) 755-6052 e-mail: rcolasacco@popcouncil.org Visit our web site: www.popcouncil.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Ton Koopman... From: "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:33:18 -0400   Robert,   I would like to add my two-cents worth on the toes-only approach. There was a book put out a little while ago that discussed "baroque legato" (I can't remember the name of the book) as the style that Bach should be performed in. I find Bach much easier if you use all toe. You want a clean break but connected sound between each note in the manuals and pedals. You must understand that Bach was primarily a violinist and much of his music mimicked the violin. To this day you still change the direction of the bow for fast sixteenth-note passages. So this leads to the stop between each note (a very minute stop of course). So to adapt this to the organ, use all toe to acquire the clean break between each note, as for the manuals, just a clean break to give life to the music rather than slopping the notes together (it gives the chiff a chance to give sparkle to the music).   Josh in TN       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of COLASACCO, ROBERT Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:05 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Ton Koopman...     has just completed a recording of the complete works of Bach. I read that he performs the works entirely using only toes in the pedal as was the technique practiced by Bach and his contemporanei. Is anyone familiar with these recordings and if so do you recommend them? If not would someone recommend a "complete organ works of JSBach" recording. I have the LPs by Walter Kraft (guess how old that is!!) which I purchased when they came out. Frankly, if they were in CD I'd get 'em but now I want a CD recording since I no longer can use my turntable of whatever they may be called now that they're defunct. Getting back to"toes only" technique I should think that that was the case only because the pedals were short like one sees today on those silly little "spinettes" (spinach). Am I wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time, hard as that is to believe. :)))))))))))   Robert B. Colasacco Administrative Assistant/Secretary Distinguished Colleagues Population Council One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza New York, NY 10017 Direct Telephone: (212) 339-0685 Main Telephone: (212) 339-0500 Fax: (212) 755-6052 e-mail: rcolasacco@popcouncil.org Visit our web site: www.popcouncil.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Ton Koopman... From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:47:14 -0400   I wasn't arguing against the technique, in fact, I've tried it since I = read this. I liked the effect and agree with your assessment. I did have = problems in some works but since I was doing it for the first time, and am a slow (very) learner, practice would be my friend, here, in particular. I was = just suggesting that maybe the toe technique was used because of shorter = pedals, that's all. Can anyone confirm this? Were there not full length pedal "boards" at that time? I don't know that any historic organ of the time actually has it's original pedals, do they? BTW, what's the title of the book you refer to? Robert   -----Original Message----- From: Josh Edwards [mailto:fbcorganist@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:33 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Ton Koopman...     Robert,   I would like to add my two-cents worth on the toes-only approach. There was a book put out a little while ago that discussed "baroque legato" (I can't remember the name of the book) as the style that Bach should be performed in. I find Bach much easier if you use all toe. You want a clean break but connected sound between each note in the manuals and pedals. You must understand that Bach was primarily a violinist and much of his music mimicked the violin. To this day you still change the direction of the bow for fast sixteenth-note passages. So this leads to the stop between each note (a very minute stop of course). So to adapt this to the organ, use all toe to acquire the clean break between each note, as for the manuals, just a clean break to give life to the music rather than slopping the notes together (it gives the chiff a chance to give sparkle to the music).   Josh in TN       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of COLASACCO, ROBERT Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:05 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Ton Koopman...     has just completed a recording of the complete works of Bach. I read that he performs the works entirely using only toes in the pedal as was the technique practiced by Bach and his contemporanei. Is anyone familiar with these recordings and if so do you recommend them? If not would someone recommend a "complete organ works of JSBach" recording. I have the LPs by Walter Kraft (guess how old that is!!) which I purchased when they came out. Frankly, if they were in CD I'd get 'em but now I want a CD recording since I no longer can use my turntable of whatever they may be called now that they're defunct. Getting back to"toes only" technique I should think that that was the case only because the pedals were short like one sees today on those silly little "spinettes" (spinach). Am I wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time, hard as that is to believe. :)))))))))))   Robert B. Colasacco Administrative Assistant/Secretary Distinguished Colleagues Population Council One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza New York, NY 10017 Direct Telephone: (212) 339-0685 Main Telephone: (212) 339-0500 Fax: (212) 755-6052 e-mail: rcolasacco@popcouncil.org Visit our web site: www.popcouncil.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org