PipeChat Digest #2295 - Tuesday, August 7, 2001
 
Re: Pipe Organ Building education for the young at heart
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The biggie combo organ for the home
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Kiley, a man of many names
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: The biggie combo organ for the home
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Pedalling
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Pedalling
  by "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
Re: Pedalling
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Barry Norris Residence Organ
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Pedalling
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
Re: Barry Norris Residence Organ
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Crucifixus
  by <AMADPoet@aol.com>
Re: Barry Norris Residence Organ
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Barry Norris Residence Organ
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Building education for the young at heart From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 15:57:31 EDT     --part1_a1.195123cb.28a1a22b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/7/01 3:23:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, david_n_carter@hotmail.com writes:     > http://tsorgans.homestead.com/files/tab/demo.html >   Really neat site... Can't wait 'till it's finished. Thanks much.   Looks like it would work well for a small parish for accompanying chants = and simple hymns. It could be played by just about anybody with minimal knowledge.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_a1.195123cb.28a1a22b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/7/01 3:23:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>david_n_carter@hotmail.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">http://tsorgans.homestead.com/files/tab/demo.html <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Really neat site... &nbsp;&nbsp;Can't wait 'till it's finished. = &nbsp;Thanks much. <BR> <BR>Looks like it would work well for a small parish for accompanying = chants and <BR>simple hymns. &nbsp;It could be played by just about anybody with = minimal <BR>knowledge. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a1.195123cb.28a1a22b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The biggie combo organ for the home From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:03:26 EDT     --part1_106.3babab5.28a1a38e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/7/01 9:50:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > Personally, I'd love to own such a beast and would not want the hoards = of > publicity it could bring.   Hoards of publicity would be wonderful if they paid hoards of admission to =   see and play it!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_106.3babab5.28a1a38e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/7/01 9:50:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Personally, I'd = love to own such a beast and would not want the hoards of <BR>publicity it could bring.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Hoards of publicity would be wonderful if they paid hoards of = admission to <BR>see and play it!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_106.3babab5.28a1a38e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Kiley, a man of many names From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 16:07:44 -0700   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1214896831=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" ; format=3D"flowed"   Hi List,   Now I know that some organists operated under a pseudonym for recording contracts. Yet, simultaneously isn't the issue of a recording protected by copy rights?   What brings me back to this question which I am really curious about: The recording by John Kiley which includes pieces like: Poor johnny One Note, Roamin in the gloamin, Mighty Lak a rose, button up your overcoat, etc. appears to have been issued in two volumes on several labels(mostly bargain labels). I do know that John Kiley actually existed and the organ was somewhere in Boston I believe. At the same time they are also issued listing the artist - by my last count - under 14 different names on just as many labels. The funny thing is I have even seen them ascribed to Jesse Crawford and Don Thompson. Was there a time when recordings were not copyrighted sometimes? Or was this a fluke recording that nobody owned so it just got passed around? Or a recording co. that just liked to change names/labels? I'd love to see some light shed on this recording and how it made the rounds of so many names/labels Below two more to add to the list!       http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1453459387 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1453557776   John V -- --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1214896831=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 } --></style><title>Kiley, a man of many names</title></head><body> <div><tt>Hi List,</tt></div> <div><tt><br></tt></div> <div><tt>Now I know that some organists operated under a pseudonym for recording contracts. Yet, simultaneously isn't the issue of a recording protected by copy rights?</tt></div> <div><tt><br></tt></div> <div><tt>What brings me back to this question which I am really curious about: The recording by John Kiley which includes pieces like: Poor johnny One Note, Roamin in the gloamin, Mighty Lak a rose, button up your overcoat, etc. appears to have been issued in two volumes on several labels(mostly bargain labels). I do know that John Kiley actually existed and the organ was somewhere in Boston I believe. At the same time they are also issued listing the artist - by my last count - under 14 different names on just as many labels. The funny thing is I have even seen them ascribed to Jesse Crawford and Don Thompson. Was there a time when recordings were not copyrighted sometimes? Or was this a fluke recording that nobody owned so it just got passed around? Or a recording co. that just liked to change names/labels?</tt></div> <div><tt>I'd love to see some light shed on this recording and how it made the rounds of so many names/labels</tt></div> <div><tt>Below two more to add to the list!</tt></div> <div><tt><br></tt></div> <div><tt><br></tt></div> <div><tt><br></tt></div> <div><tt >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D1453459387</t= t ></div> <div><tt >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3D1453557776</t= t ></div> <div><br></div> <div>John V</div> </body> </html> --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_-1214896831=3D=3D_ma=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D--  
(back) Subject: RE: The biggie combo organ for the home From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:07:32 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C11F7C.97F758A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   That's true. -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:03 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: The biggie combo organ for the home     In a message dated 8/7/01 9:50:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:         Personally, I'd love to own such a beast and would not want the hoards of publicity it could bring.       Hoards of publicity would be wonderful if they paid hoards of admission to =   see and play it!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C11F7C.97F758A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D925180720-07082001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>That's true.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: The biggie = combo organ for the home<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a message dated 8/7/01 9:50:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">Personally, I'd love to own such a beast and would not want = the hoards of <BR>publicity it could bring.</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Hoards of = publicity would be wonderful if they paid hoards of admission to <BR>see and play it!! = &nbsp;;-) <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com = &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit = Howling Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C11F7C.97F758A0--  
(back) Subject: Pedalling From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:22:56 -0400   What is the theory on that today? Are teachers still teaching one must sit center bench and reach out from there with as little movement as possible? = I always found that limiting. My teachers always complained that I looked = like I was dancing and although one thought it aesthetically pleasing none were in favor of it. Well, I see it as dancing. I have no problem with that, = ie, dancing along the pedal board. I think one should be free to move around = as long as it all comes out well, what's the problem? And that was my answer = to their complaint. Looking over this message below again I have to ask, was Bach primarily a violinist?   -----Original Message----- From: Josh Edwards [mailto:fbcorganist@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:33 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Ton Koopman...     Robert,   I would like to add my two-cents worth on the toes-only approach. There was a book put out a little while ago that discussed "baroque legato" (I can't remember the name of the book) as the style that Bach should be performed in. I find Bach much easier if you use all toe. You want a clean break but connected sound between each note in the manuals and pedals. You must understand that Bach was primarily a violinist and much of his music mimicked the violin. To this day you still change the direction of the bow for fast sixteenth-note passages. So this leads to the stop between each note (a very minute stop of course). So to adapt this to the organ, use all toe to acquire the clean break between each note, as for the manuals, just a clean break to give life to the music rather than slopping the notes together (it gives the chiff a chance to give sparkle to the music).   Josh in TN       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of COLASACCO, ROBERT Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 3:05 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Ton Koopman...     has just completed a recording of the complete works of Bach. I read that he performs the works entirely using only toes in the pedal as was the technique practiced by Bach and his contemporanei. Is anyone familiar with these recordings and if so do you recommend them? If not would someone recommend a "complete organ works of JSBach" recording. I have the LPs by Walter Kraft (guess how old that is!!) which I purchased when they came out. Frankly, if they were in CD I'd get 'em but now I want a CD recording since I no longer can use my turntable of whatever they may be called now that they're defunct. Getting back to"toes only" technique I should think that that was the case only because the pedals were short like one sees today on those silly little "spinettes" (spinach). Am I wrong? (Wouldn't be the first time, hard as that is to believe. :)))))))))))   Robert B. Colasacco Administrative Assistant/Secretary Distinguished Colleagues Population Council One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza New York, NY 10017 Direct Telephone: (212) 339-0685 Main Telephone: (212) 339-0500 Fax: (212) 755-6052 e-mail: rcolasacco@popcouncil.org Visit our web site: www.popcouncil.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Pedalling From: "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 16:36:07 -0400   Let me clarify myself Robert. Bach's first instrument was the violin.... So he wasn't primarily a violinist....   Sorry about the confusion.   Josh     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of COLASACCO, ROBERT Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 4:23 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: Pedalling     What is the theory on that today? Are teachers still teaching one must sit center bench and reach out from there with as little movement as possible? I always found that limiting. My teachers always complained that I looked like I was dancing and although one thought it aesthetically pleasing none were in favor of it. Well, I see it as dancing. I have no problem with that, ie, dancing along the pedal board. I think one should be free to move around as long as it all comes out well, what's the problem? And that was my answer to their complaint. Looking over this message below again I have to ask, was Bach primarily a violinist?    
(back) Subject: Re: Pedalling From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:16:29 EDT   Hi Josh and list:   Using all toes of course on the pedalboard was only done on the European flat boards. Heel Toe was designed to make it easier to get around on the concave radiating pedalboard because the relative distances are more uniform. If you try Heel Toe on a flat pedalboard you may be in for a bit of a shock. The Willis Co. in the UK takes credit for the concave radiating pedalboard.   Old fingerings? Baroque keyboards were shorter and the keys slightly narrower. Bach of course liked to use his thumb so he didn't strictly adhere to pedantic fashion of the day. Try using 2,3,4,3,4,3,4,3.4 in his music. I've heard both sides of the issue. Bach used all his fingers, and the rebel I am so do I. :)   The pedalboard that I thought was the all time pits was on a moderate turn of the century three manual organ in Merseyside, UK. I had no problem with German or Dutch pedalboards. The spacing was sooooo wide on low C,D,E if you weren't careful C# or D# played too. If memory serves it was a 30 rank Hill. The voicing and balance of this organ was quite nice however. It was St. Ann's Church Merseyside. Since Spirit of Vat II they probably junked the organ, got a praise band, and dancers from hooters! Oh God, Help me, Forgive me! :>) :)   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Barry Norris Residence Organ From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 17:19:56 -0500   Since Barry is a friend of mine, I invited him to join back in the PipeChat list to answer questions about his home instrument. He declined for the time being due to other things going on in his life currently. However, he wrote the following and suggested I post it to the list.   ******************************************************************** When all put together late this fall or early next year, the organ will have 187 ranks, 10,500 pipes. I've not added any rooms on to the house. It is all under the original roof. The only digital sounds were all made by Walker, and I'm very pleased with them. They are two 16's and six 32's in the pedal, as well as three percussions - harp, tower chimes, and celesta on the manuals. That is all that's digital.   All of the manual ranks are pipes. As you know, the way I've been able to afford to do this is because I've spent almost the last 20 years on the project, I've used so many used ranks, and I've done all the design and installation myself (with help from a few friends!). *******************************************************************   Maybe once he gets a bit of time he will rejoin this list and be able to discuss the organ with the rest of you. But for the time being this will have to suffice.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Pedalling From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:52:15 EDT   In a message dated 8/7/01 3:23:49 PM Central Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:   << My teachers always complained that I looked like I was dancing and although one thought it aesthetically pleasing none = were in favor of it. >>   Hey, you could create a whole new category in ballroom dancing = competitions. Tango tango tango...   Mandy ;o)  
(back) Subject: Re: Barry Norris Residence Organ From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 18:59:25 -0400   Thanks for this David. It was a real treat to hear from Barry himself, and I look most forward to a time when he might join us, and tell a bit more about his 20 year odyssey. Home organ building provides those of us who want to be close to the pipes, an outlet for our passion. I've pretty much figured out that the organ builders are much too busy to bother with people who aspire to the craft, so I have changed my focus towards obtaining and working with my own instrument. It may not be on the scale that Barry has accomplished, but it will be mine, and nobody will be there to tell me I can't, or how hard it is, or how many years it takes to accumulate the sacred knowledge. Feeling slightly cheerless Mike Gettelman   David Scribner wrote:   > Since Barry is a friend of mine, I invited him to join back in the > PipeChat list to answer questions about his home instrument. He > declined for the time being due to other things going on in his life > currently. However, he wrote the following and suggested I post it > to the list. > > ******************************************************************** > When all put together late this fall or early next > year, the organ will have 187 ranks, 10,500 pipes. > I've not added any rooms on to the house. It is all > under the original roof. The only digital sounds were > all made by Walker, and I'm very pleased with them. > They are two 16's and six 32's in the pedal, as well > as three percussions - harp, tower chimes, and celesta > on the manuals. That is all that's digital. > > All of the manual ranks are pipes. As you know, the > way I've been able to afford to do this is because > I've spent almost the last 20 years on the project, > I've used so many used ranks, and I've done all the > design and installation myself (with help from a few > friends!). > ******************************************************************* > > Maybe once he gets a bit of time he will rejoin this list and be able > to discuss the organ with the rest of you. But for the time being > this will have to suffice. > > David >    
(back) Subject: Crucifixus From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 18:58:18 EDT   Hi all-   I discovered Antonio Lotti (1667-1740) on a King's College cd and was wondering if his Crucifixus had ever been transcribed for the organ. I can =   just hear the dissonances in that piece on the organ...   Also, does anyone know any other works of Lotti? Did he write anything of note for the organ? If the answer is an overwhleming yes, don't yell at = me- I'm still wading through Bach and Pachelbel, trying to get a handle on the =   organ repertoire. Whew.   Mandy  
(back) Subject: Re: Barry Norris Residence Organ From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 19:38:50 -0500   At 06:59 PM 8/7/01 -0400, Mike wrote: >I've pretty >much figured out that the organ builders are much too busy to bother with >people who aspire to the craft, so I have changed my focus towards >obtaining and working with my own instrument. It may not be on the scale >that Barry has accomplished, but it will be mine, and nobody will be = there >to tell me I can't, or how hard it is, or how many years it takes to >accumulate the sacred knowledge. > Feeling slightly cheerless > Mike Gettelman   HI, Mike --   Not to take from your focus of obtaining your own instrument (a = *wonderful* learning experience for one with such interests, btw -- GO FOR IT!!), but I'd hope you wouldn't feel too cheerless. Organbuilders are indeed busy these days, generally <smile>, but none that I know tend to *discourage* interested young people from learning more about the art of pipe organbuilding. Or anyone *else*, for that matter!   At our shop, we regularly have visitors drop by...customers/clients, organists, friends/family of 'anyone in particular', folks just passing through town, whatever. Occasionally we've hosted tours for local community college music classes. Delivery drivers are sometimes intrigued by all that "stuff" sitting on the floor of the shop (especially if they have just helped unload something heavy, and want to enjoy the A/C for a minute <g>). And once in a while, somebody that just saw the sign or the organ pipes on the side of the building will be curious enough to knock on the door. All are welcomed, best as we are able at the moment.   So, don't be discouraged -- just keep on being interested in the pipe organ...keep on reading, and emailing, and visiting, and listening, and experimenting, and LEARNING --   I bet ALL of us here would agree that the joys of the instrument and its music are worth the efforts...!   Tim Bovard Nichols and Simpson, Inc. Little Rock, AR   PS -- and Mike, you're cordially invited for a shop/organ tour, if you = ever find yourself in Little Rock...<g>...same goes for everyone else! Give a call or an email......          
(back) Subject: Re: Barry Norris Residence Organ From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 21:24:37 -0400   Thank you Tim, That was a very fine response to a rather grumpy post by me. I now see = that what I need to do is begin making some inquiries of the builders local to = me in Cleveland, OH, and see what invitations I might generate. I also need to = hit the road, and visit some shops like yours, Tim. Little Rock is a bit = distant for me, but I will get there someday, I promise. For me, the pipe organ interest began as a mid-life crisis. Because I = am no longer a "young person", apprenticeship seems a rather distant = possibility. I don't care that an organbuilder needs 10, 20. or more years to become accomplished. I want to be an organbuilder, period. I must say that I have already responded to an organ builder who wrote = to me after viewing my work about the Severance Hall Skinner?Schantz? Norton Memorial Organ. He suggested employment, I said I was 51, I haven't heard = back after repeated emails to him. And you ask why I'm grumpy. Granted, this is = one specific builder, and I should not condemn the whole industry because of = his actions. This is an opportunity to call upon all the builders on the List to = discuss their thoughts on hiring older people. I am not blind to the fact that = training an older person yields less time return to the builder in return for the training investment, but a smart, motivated, life seasoned individual = might be a very quick study, and make himself quickly indispensable. So, Mr. and Ms.(Hi Kimberly) Pipe Organ Builders, how about sharing = your thoughts about training for the next generation of pipe organ builders and technicians. Is there any room for us olders?   More Cheerful Since Tim's Kind Post :-) Mike Gettelman   Tim Bovard wrote:   > At 06:59 PM 8/7/01 -0400, Mike wrote: > >I've pretty > >much figured out that the organ builders are much too busy to bother = with > >people who aspire to the craft, so I have changed my focus towards > >obtaining and working with my own instrument. It may not be on the = scale > >that Barry has accomplished, but it will be mine, and nobody will be = there > >to tell me I can't, or how hard it is, or how many years it takes to > >accumulate the sacred knowledge. > > Feeling slightly cheerless > > Mike Gettelman > > HI, Mike -- > > Not to take from your focus of obtaining your own instrument (a = *wonderful* > learning experience for one with such interests, btw -- GO FOR IT!!), = but > I'd hope you wouldn't feel too cheerless. Organbuilders are indeed busy > these days, generally <smile>, but none that I know tend to *discourage* > interested young people from learning more about the art of pipe > organbuilding. Or anyone *else*, for that matter! > > At our shop, we regularly have visitors drop by...customers/clients, > organists, friends/family of 'anyone in particular', folks just passing > through town, whatever. Occasionally we've hosted tours for local > community college music classes. Delivery drivers are sometimes = intrigued > by all that "stuff" sitting on the floor of the shop (especially if they > have just helped unload something heavy, and want to enjoy the A/C for a > minute <g>). And once in a while, somebody that just saw the sign or = the > organ pipes on the side of the building will be curious enough to knock = on > the door. All are welcomed, best as we are able at the moment. > > So, don't be discouraged -- just keep on being interested in the pipe > organ...keep on reading, and emailing, and visiting, and listening, and > experimenting, and LEARNING -- > > I bet ALL of us here would agree that the joys of the instrument and its > music are worth the efforts...! > > Tim Bovard > Nichols and Simpson, Inc. > Little Rock, AR > > PS -- and Mike, you're cordially invited for a shop/organ tour, if you = ever > find yourself in Little Rock...<g>...same goes for everyone else! Give = a > call or an email...... > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org