PipeChat Digest #2297 - Wednesday, August 8, 2001
 
organs screensaver no.2
  by "Jenny and Martin Setchell" <setchell@paradise.net.nz>
Re: Crucifixus
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
RE: pedalling
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: pedaling
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: organs screensaver no.2
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: pedaling and knees together
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Re: Small churches
  by "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net>
Equal or not equal, is that a question?
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: pedalling
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Equal or not equal, is that a question?
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: pedalling
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: pedalling
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Equal or not equal, is that a question?
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: pedalling
  by "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: organs screensaver no.2 From: "Jenny and Martin Setchell" <setchell@paradise.net.nz> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:30:00 +1200   Hi chatters, Just to let you know I have done a second windows 98/ME/NT screensaver of = pipe organs which you can download for free from www.nzorgan.com. I have turned it into this month's competition so as yet the identities of the organs are secret (that's the competition!) but once the competition is over at the end of this month I'll put up a fully titled version. But some of you might feel like having a go at trying to name the beasts (and be in with a chance to win a CD!!)     Jenny Setchell www.nzorgan.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Crucifixus From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:55:08 -0400   Greetings,   There are three settings of the "Crucifixus" of Antonio Lotti, all for double chorus. I believe the one that you are looking for is the 8-voice setting that begins with the second basses and climbs up a so-called = "vocal ladder"...introducing each voice through a series of wonderful suspension writing and building up a fantastic series of chord progressions in the process. Although it is absolutely beautiful listening to it with the different vocal timbres entering one by one, I have performed this version with another organist in an arrangement that we made off the choral score for a duet concert. It can also be played by one.   Best regards,   Bonnie Beth   Bonnie Beth Derby, B.Mus., M.Mus. Organist & Director of Music, St. James Roman Catholic Church, Syracuse [1988 Odell/Kerner & Merchant 33-rank tracker organ] Producer & Host: "Orgelwerke" & "Choral Traditions", WCNY-FM, 91.3, Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown; Website: www.wcny.org e-mail: orge@dreamscape.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <AMADPoet@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 6:58 PM Subject: Crucifixus     > Hi all- > > I discovered Antonio Lotti (1667-1740) on a King's College cd and was > wondering if his Crucifixus had ever been transcribed for the organ. I = can > just hear the dissonances in that piece on the organ... > > Also, does anyone know any other works of Lotti? Did he write anything = of > note for the organ? If the answer is an overwhleming yes, don't yell at me- > I'm still wading through Bach and Pachelbel, trying to get a handle on = the > organ repertoire. Whew. > > Mandy      
(back) Subject: RE: pedalling From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:32:07 -0400   I don't fly off of the bench! And I don't move my butt around, that's why = I disputed the complaint. None of my teachers claimed it affected my = playing. I guess if I have to find an analogy I was more like doing what Riverdance (yuk) does? My feet danced my hips remain still. My legs from my kness = down moved (so THEY claimed) in a circular movement in getting around the pedalboard. One stated that's a waste of movement and I asked if it was affecting my playing to which he stated no but it just seems like too much movement (BTW I don't do it on purpose, I'm not aware that that's what I'm doing.) NO, I don't "stand up" and dance around. I think all I was and do = do is feel for the nearest #/b in a wide leap and that's what their eyes are catching. Ido have to shift a bit since I have short legs.     -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Grauel [mailto:wgvideo@attglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 9:58 PM To: PipeChat Subject: re:pedalling     snip........ My teachers always complained that I looked like I was dancing and although one thought it aesthetically pleasing none were in favor of it. Well, I see it as dancing. I have no problem with that, = ie, dancing along the pedal board. I think one should be free to move around = as long as it all comes out well, what's the problem? And that was my answer = to their complaint. snip................................   Sure... what ever...   But... there's a guy out here in my area that plays like that and you = could probably slide a 2 by 4 under is butt when he's playing... and I have to admit, he looks ridiculous and it shows up as out of control in his playing!   Maybe one should take a video camera and record one's self playing the Jig Fugue, or the Wedge and see if the shoe fits! Also... listening to the recording would not be a bad idea either, then you could determine if it is affecting your playing like most of your teachers have pointed out, or if you do, in fact, "dance across the pedals" with the greatest of ease!.   Watching most really good players, one will notice the lack of wasted = motion and pure efficiency in their playing...   Wayne     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: pedaling From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:49:47 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C12008.9B35B520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Good points! -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:00 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: pedalling     In a message dated 8/8/01 2:36:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = AMADPoet@aol.com   writes:         >In a message dated 8/8/01 12:08:53 AM Central Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:   << Knees together doesn't work out very well at the either extreme of the pedalboard, only in the center portion of it. >>       Well, that's because of those pesky radiating pedalboards!!! icch! ;-)           I've been told never to play knees together, though the technique books I use say you should. What would be the advantage of playing this way? Is it to help stabilize your motions, or get a point of reference of where you are on the pedals? I tend to feel like I'm floundering on the pedals when I can't =   glance at my feet.       The advantage of playing with your knees together is stability of motion = and   point of reference. It also keeps your feet from migrating away from a position because your leg is moving. If you feel like you're = floundering,   you probably are, but looking at your feet is only going to make it worse.   Practice pedal parts, as well as scales, without looking and with good position, and you will learn to be comfortable aided by increased = attention concentration.   It's so amusing to watch a student playing a pedal part, and at some point =   placing a foot over the proper key. They, for some reason, question if = it is the right key and the foot searches a bit and inevitably finds the = wrong note. practice makes accurate! When you play a wrong note, DON'T = LOOK, move your foot back to the previous note and try again until you get it right, and then practice the movement. It's well worth the effort, not to =   mention it looks so much better that seeing an organist peering down between their legs as though they have lost their keys!     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C12008.9B35B520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D696274912-08082001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Good points!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:00 =   AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: pedalling<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = size=3D2>In a message dated 8/8/01 2:36:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, AMADPoet@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">&gt;In a message dated 8/8/01 12:08:53 AM Central Daylight = Time, <BR>RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR><BR>&lt;&lt; Knees together doesn't = work out very well at the either <BR>extreme of the pedalboard, only in the = center portion of it. &nbsp;&gt;&gt; <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well, that's because of = those pesky radiating pedalboards!!! icch! &nbsp;;-) <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR></FONT><FONT = lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">I've been told never to play knees together, though the = technique books I <BR>use <BR>say you should. What would be the advantage of = playing this way? Is it to <BR>help stabilize your motions, or get a point of reference of where you are <BR>on <BR>the pedals? I tend to feel like = I'm floundering on the pedals when I can't <BR>glance at my feet. = <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">The advantage of playing with your knees = together is stability of motion and <BR>point of reference. &nbsp;It also keeps your = feet from migrating away from a <BR>position because your leg is moving. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you feel like you're floundering, <BR>you probably = are, but looking at your feet is only going to make it worse. &nbsp;&nbsp; = <BR>Practice pedal parts, as well as scales, without looking and with good = <BR>position, and you will learn to be comfortable aided by increased attention = <BR>concentration. <BR><BR>It's so amusing to watch a student playing a pedal part, and at = some point <BR>placing a foot over the proper key. &nbsp;&nbsp;They, for some = reason, question if it <BR>is the right key and the foot searches a bit and = inevitably finds the wrong <BR>note. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;practice makes accurate! &nbsp;&nbsp;When you play a wrong note, DON'T LOOK, <BR>move your foot = back to the previous note and try again until you get it <BR>right, and then = practice the movement. &nbsp;It's well worth the effort, not to <BR>mention it = looks so much better &nbsp;that seeing an organist peering down between <BR>their = legs as though they have lost their keys! <BR><BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit = Howling Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C12008.9B35B520--  
(back) Subject: RE: organs screensaver no.2 From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:54:45 -0400   All I get when I click on these is gobbledeegoop codes!!   -----Original Message----- From: Jenny and Martin Setchell [mailto:setchell@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:30 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: organs screensaver no.2     Hi chatters, Just to let you know I have done a second windows 98/ME/NT screensaver of pipe organs which you can download for free from www.nzorgan.com. I have turned it into this month's competition so as yet the identities of the organs are secret (that's the competition!) but once the competition is over at the end of this month I'll put up a fully titled version. But some of you might feel like having a go at trying to name the beasts (and be in with a chance to win a CD!!)     Jenny Setchell www.nzorgan.com       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: pedaling and knees together From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:07:18 -0400   Ron and Group   Maybe the thought back then on knees together was to keep the player from = stomping the pedals??? I for one, do not follow the logic of keeping my = knees together consciously (or constantly). In fact, one of the things = that really changed my attitude about pedaling was the practice of early = north german organists, and playing the melody line with one foot and the = bass line with the other (obvious as to which foot played which part). I = was playing a small German tracker in Baltimore and this worked out really = well in many hymns. It added a huge amount of foundation to the hymn tune = (especially for small organs of the period without a 16' principal on the = great). This only really works on organs that are articulate and not = borrowed (meaning over grown unit organs with the pedal division as extensions of everything on the manuals which leaves = out a number of cheaper domestic organs). You can not do this with your = knees together efficiently!   The same principal goes for the pedals as the hands. You do keep your = hands even and not pounding up and down on the key desk... My teacher, = Dr. Thomas Spacht taught me to think of playing like little karate chops = with the fingers, the action is in the fingers and very deliberate, not = the hands. Same goes with the feet. it's at the ankles, and the knees = don't push up and down.   Even watching Diane, notice her feet. it's at the ankles. Yes, she does = have a dramatic stomp along with it, but once you get the technique down, = you can pretty much do what you want because all of the extra movement is = performance flare and dramatics.... The amateur or less trained organist = is probably doing that all (the stomp and all of the pedals pounding) the = time just trying to hit the right notes, thus leading to a lot of sloppy = playing and a huge amount of wasted, inaccurate motion, and mental energy = just wondering if you're going to hit the right notes!   Once you get this down, making a move to a straight pedal board like I had = later on the Flentrop is a piece of cake, in fact, in many instances, I = think the straight board is easier to play. thank goodness I didn't have = the little short keys... they are not easier! This Karate chop concept = in the fingers also makes the technique much easier, especially with the = additional demands to play mechanical actions.   So, Ron... I thought you brought up some good points and thanks for = bringing those out!     Wayne Grauel Eminent-USA.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Small churches From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:11:20 -0700   Isn't it amazing how the real heartfelt gratitude of the congregation of a =   small church can make your day?   I have had many such experiences, and it makes me realize how much I enjoy =   playing the organ for myself, but even more so for others, who do love to hear the organ.   Paul R. Swank Baltimore, MD USA   , you wrote: > >Good for the soul to get back to a church like this. Some of you people >playing 5m 200 stop monsters ought to try it some time. The gratitude of >the people made it worthwhile. >Bob Elms.    
(back) Subject: Equal or not equal, is that a question? From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:25:53 -0400   I realize that this question is going to raise a slew of protestations and all sorts or un-related-to-MY-point replies, that I hesitate, yet do not withdraw from asking it anyway. With the hopes of somehow being able to = eek out a reply to my actual question I ask... On my organ at home---yes it's digital, sorry---I have three temperament choices, equal, meantone, Werkmeister (sans distinction of which Werkmeister), I use this last when I play Bach, which would you recommend? thank you, Robert Colasacco   Robert B. Colasacco Administrative Assistant/Secretary Distinguished Colleagues Population Council One Dag Hammarskjold Plaza New York, NY 10017 Direct Telephone: (212) 339-0685 Main Telephone: (212) 339-0500 Fax: (212) 755-6052 e-mail: rcolasacco@popcouncil.org Visit our web site: www.popcouncil.org    
(back) Subject: Re: pedalling From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 11:58:18 EDT   Hi Mandy:   The bench needs to be the same distance and height over the pedal keys every time you play. Each console and bench is slightly different so spend a little time at each console to find the optimum comfort level for you. = The bench needs to be straight not schewed right or left. When you position yourself on the bench, knees together, left foot over midC right foot over = mid E. also check the distance to the expression shoes with each foot. Now you can relax! In a few seconds you have made contact with every important action point in the center. The music suggests where you are on the pedal board. If the music is in the key of A the left foot moves to the second = note below C and you are set to do things by feel. Keep the feet over notes = you've finished playing until it's time to reposition them. Very often the notes needed are close by at least you know where you were last, and it's easier to = find the new start point without looking. Practice slowly enough so you are not on overload. Mark the pedaling on to the music. You know the routine, left = hand and pedal, right hand and pedal, put it all together slowly and = efficiently. The speed will evolve from that. It's all mechanics at this point! It = becomes music when all the technical things are secure and under control. You can then concentrate your time on interpretation, registration, expression = etc.   All the best,   Ron Severin   PS Fingering: I always try to maintain a secure five finger position with = the fingers in constant contact with the keys even when at rest. I didn't = always do that and it could develop into a mess then. Mark your fingering with = this in mind, its your hand not somebody elses.  
(back) Subject: Re: Equal or not equal, is that a question? From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:31:43 EDT   Hi Robert:   Werkmeister is closest to 1/4 comma meantone, but Kellner is the better choice if you have it. Kellner discovered the theory of Bach's tuning = scheme, so he called it Kellner. He has a website. Also try this: http://www.custombasses.8m.com/temperment/temperment.html   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: pedalling From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:07:10 EDT     --part1_8a.a9a0fe8.28a2cbbe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/8/01 4:43:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > With knees together they would never reach the notes on the > extremes of the pedalboard. >   This practice, of course, needs to be tempered with reason. It is = impossible to keep your knees together at the extreme ends of the keyboard, just as = it is impossible to keep your fingers on the keys when you are changing = manuals!   However, keeping one's knees together while playing at the center of the pedalboard is very advantageous and leads to greater accuracy and poise. =   These "rules", of course cannot be enforced when dealing with short people = or amputees!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_8a.a9a0fe8.28a2cbbe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/8/01 4:43:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">With knees = together they would never reach the notes on the <BR>extremes of the pedalboard. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>This practice, of course, needs to be tempered with reason. &nbsp;It = is impossible <BR>to keep your knees together at the extreme ends of the keyboard, just = as it <BR>is impossible to keep your fingers on the keys when you are changing = manuals! <BR> <BR>However, keeping one's knees together while playing at the center of = the <BR>pedalboard is very advantageous and leads to greater accuracy and = poise. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>These "rules", of course cannot be enforced when dealing with short = people or <BR>amputees! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8a.a9a0fe8.28a2cbbe_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: pedalling From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:09:51 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1202C.EFE66C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   And I am a short person. My inseam is 27" when I buy trousers. And, AND, I ain't a kid! -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:07 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: pedalling     In a message dated 8/8/01 4:43:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:         With knees together they would never reach the notes on the extremes of the pedalboard.         This practice, of course, needs to be tempered with reason. It is impossible to keep your knees together at the extreme ends of the keyboard, just as = it is impossible to keep your fingers on the keys when you are changing manuals!   However, keeping one's knees together while playing at the center of the pedalboard is very advantageous and leads to greater accuracy and poise. = These "rules", of course cannot be enforced when dealing with short people or amputees!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1202C.EFE66C30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D346520817-08082001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>And I am a short person. My inseam is 27" when I buy trousers. And, AND, I ain't a kid!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:07 =   PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: pedalling<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = size=3D2>In a message dated 8/8/01 4:43:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = <BR>elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">With knees together they would never reach the notes on the <BR>extremes of the pedalboard. <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>This = practice, of course, needs to be tempered with reason. &nbsp;It is impossible <BR>to keep your = knees together at the extreme ends of the keyboard, just as it <BR>is impossible = to keep your fingers on the keys when you are changing manuals! = <BR><BR>However, keeping one's knees together while playing at the center of the = <BR>pedalboard is very advantageous and leads to greater accuracy and poise. &nbsp;&nbsp; =   <BR>These "rules", of course cannot be enforced when dealing with short = people or <BR>amputees! <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's = Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, = and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT> = </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1202C.EFE66C30--  
(back) Subject: RE: Equal or not equal, is that a question? From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:18:40 -0400   This isn't Kellner's website. Do you have his website. I see nothing on = this site about him or his system. Although I much enjoyed the Bicknell = article. I like his site very much. I've seen it before.   -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com [mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 12:32 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Equal or not equal, is that a question?     Hi Robert:   Werkmeister is closest to 1/4 comma meantone, but Kellner is the better choice if you have it. Kellner discovered the theory of Bach's tuning scheme, so he called it Kellner. He has a website. Also try this: http://www.custombasses.8m.com/temperment/temperment.html   Ron Severin   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: pedalling From: "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 18:37:44 +0100   At 13:07 08/08/01 -0400, Bruce wrote: >In a message dated 8/8/01 4:43:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: > >>With knees together they would never reach the notes on the >>extremes of the pedalboard. > >This practice, of course, needs to be tempered with reason. It is = impossible >to keep your knees together at the extreme ends of the keyboard, just as = it >is impossible to keep your fingers on the keys when you are changing = manuals! > >However, keeping one's knees together while playing at the center of the >pedalboard is very advantageous and leads to greater accuracy and poise. >These "rules", of course cannot be enforced when dealing with short = people or >amputees!   Now, when I was a young slip of a thing, way back in the xxs, I had to = keep my knees together because I would insist on wearing pencil slim skirts (mini ones at that - that dates me, if nothing else!). Fortunately I have =   long legs - although only 5' 3" - and I used to twist slightly at the = waist (good exercise) to reach the extremes of the pedalboard without ripping my =   skirt apart and falling off the bench. Surprisingly, it was not at all difficult, and as I always sat at the organ with a very straight back, I was even told it looked elegant <g>! Ahhh, what it was to be young, = slim and agile.   Cheryl       http://www.copemanhart.co.uk   Copeman Hart & Company Ltd Church Organ Builders ENGLAND   Registered in England No 696548