PipeChat Digest #2306 - Sunday, August 12, 2001
 
New "Baby" Arriving Today.
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Anyone need a laugh?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The Wish VS The Dish
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: John Wanamaker's Organ!
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Mendelssohn
  by "alpat5" <alpat5@bellatlantic.net>
Re: Mendelssohn
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Mendelssohn
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Mendelssohn
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: The Wish VS The Dish
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Mendelssohn
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Mendelssohn
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Mendelssohn
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Mendelssohn
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: The Wish VS The Dish
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Anyone need a laugh?
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Anyone need a laugh?
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: New "Baby" Arriving Today. From: "Randy Terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:26:19 -0700 (PDT)   --0-1332688322-997543579=3D:54464 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     I am expecting a new arrival today! - 'Twill be a hard birthing because = she is already 40 years old!! A generous parishioner has provided St. Peter's with the funds to purchase = the wonderful 1961 Aeolian-Skinner console (2/ped, drawknob) that was = originally installed in the organ at St. John's Episcopal, in Ross, CA. = St. John's has acquired a new 4 manual Allen which has been interfaced = with the original A-S installation there, and augmented with many digital = ranks. It is a beautiful console, with the wonderful ivory tracker touch manuals = these machines are famous for. It has just enough contols (barely) to do = what we wanted with the specification. We will acquire a new larger = blower, and at least for now keep the E/P combination action in tact. The = instrument will be controlled by a software driven control system, which = will require us to obtain a new power unit as well. I don't think the drawknob heads are ivory - but if they are, is it = possible (for a professional) to sand them down, polish, and re-engrave = them??     Randy Terry Minister of Music, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California www.stpetersrwc.org     --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. --0-1332688322-997543579=3D:54464 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>&nbsp;I am expecting a new arrival today! - 'Twill be a hard birthing = because she is already 40 years old!! <P>A generous parishioner has provided St. Peter's with the funds to = purchase the wonderful 1961 Aeolian-Skinner console (2/ped, drawknob) that = was originally installed in the organ at St. John's Episcopal, in Ross, = CA. St. John's has acquired a new 4 manual Allen which has been interfaced = with the original A-S installation there, and augmented with many digital = ranks. <P>It is a beautiful console, with the wonderful ivory tracker touch = manuals these machines are famous for. It has just enough contols (barely) = to do what we wanted with the specification. We will acquire a new larger = blower, and at least for now keep the E/P combination action in tact. The = instrument will be controlled by a software driven control system, which = will require us to obtain a new power unit as well. <P>I don't think the drawknob heads are ivory - but if they are, is it = possible (for a professional) to sand them down, polish, and re-engrave = them??</P><BR><BR>Randy Terry<br>Minister of Music, Organist &amp; = Choirmaster<br>The Episcopal Church of St. Peter<br>Redwood City, = California<br>www.stpetersrwc.org<p><br><hr size=3D1><b>Do You = Yahoo!?</b><br> Send instant messages & get email alerts with <a = href=3D"http://im.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Messenger</a>. --0-1332688322-997543579=3D:54464--  
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone need a laugh? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:39:50 EDT     --part1_75.18fc2df3.28a6abc6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/10/01 11:21:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, r_ehrh@bellsouth.net writes:     > www.epowerbiggs.com   That is too funny. I hope they will add more "episodes" in the = future!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_75.18fc2df3.28a6abc6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/10/01 11:21:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>r_ehrh@bellsouth.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">www.epowerbiggs.com</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>That is too funny. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I hope they will add = more "episodes" in the future!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_75.18fc2df3.28a6abc6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Wish VS The Dish From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 12:35:29 EDT   Dear List:   I have a perfect title for the Life Story of E. Power Biggs! The Wish! Virgil Fox, The Dish! Well it works for me! :)   Ron  
(back) Subject: Re: John Wanamaker's Organ! From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:01:59 EDT   Hi List:   According to Ray Biswanger's account, John Wanamaker, decided after the monumental success of the 1919 Musician's concert that the organ would be enlarged to encompass another six levels of the store. He called together Stokowski, Dupre, Courboin and Alexander Russell to his office a day after a major concert. The Orchestral of 39 ranks, and the String divisions of 88 ranks were drawn up, and over the next 5 years installed. Dupre asked in regard to the cost, John Wanamaker said "NO LIMIT"   John wished the Philadelphia Orchestra to have the finest string sound in the nation. He sent Alex Russell to go to Europe to buy at least 60 Strads. and Gonarius violins, violas etc. The final count was 65. A special vault was built to house the Cappella Violins and 19 rank touring organ designed by Charles Courboin. Thaddeus Rich became sole curator of this collection.   Alexander Russell was sent to "SCOUT" for the finest European organists of the day to play the Magnificent organ in the Phiadelphia store. = European Libraries were searched for long dormant pieces of great music for organ and orchestra. Enrico Bossi, Fernando Germani, Nadia Boulanger, Pietro Yon, Marcel Dupre, Louis Vierne and Alfred Hollins were subsequently added to the list of concert artists associated with this great organ.   A new six manual console was designed by Courboin and Dupre to handle the many additions proposed for the new organ as well as many future plans. John Wanamaker died in 1928, bringing the future plans to a hault, however the organ was already a wopping 469 ranks. Jameson and Till had overseen the addition of 300 plus ranks in just eight years. Had built a large organ for the New York store too. The organ shop was on site in the huge attic section of the store. Chests and pipes were fabricated, the enlarged 5 manual and then the present 6 manual console were constructed there. The freight elevator must have been immense and overly challenged at times.   What a story!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Mendelssohn From: "alpat5" <alpat5@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:06:53 -0400   I'm a young, rather inexperienced organist who wishes to become better. I recently purchased the complete organ works of Mendelssohn by Schirmer and concluded I'm not technically up to the challenge of many of the works. Can anyone recommend a progressive repertoire list leading up in difficulty to the Preludes, Fugues, and especially the Sonatas? Exactly how difficult are these works considered to be by most organists? Thanks in advance! A.C. Jackson III    
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 12:46:52 -0700   Bach - the Orgelbuchlein (Little Organ Book) Vol. ??? Widor/Schweitzer Edition, G.Schirmer Bach - Eight "Little" Preludes and Fugues (Vol. II, Widor/Schweitzer Edition, G. Schirmer) Bach - Prelude and Fugue in e minor (the "Cathedral", NOT the "Wedge") (grin) Bach - Prelude and Fugue in C Major - the smaller one in 4/4 time Dupre - Sixteen Chorales - H. W. Gray Dupre - Antiphons - H. W. Gray The Parish Organist series from Concordia Publishing House   The Mendelssohn 2nd Sonata is the easiest ...   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach       alpat5 wrote:   > I'm a young, rather inexperienced organist who wishes to become better. > I recently purchased the complete organ works of Mendelssohn by Schirmer > and concluded I'm not technically up to the challenge of many of the > works. Can anyone > recommend a progressive repertoire list leading up in difficulty to the > Preludes, Fugues, and especially the Sonatas? Exactly how difficult are > these works considered to be by most organists? Thanks in advance! > A.C. Jackson III > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:56:23 EDT     --part1_d5.a94eea4.28a71217_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/11/01 3:11:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alpat5@bellatlantic.net writes:     > Can anyone recommend a progressive repertoire list leading up in = difficulty > to the > Preludes, Fugues, and especially the Sonatas? Exactly how difficult are > these works considered to be by most organists?   My recommendation would be to sight-read the entire opus. You will find some more difficult than others. In addition, you will find parts of some =   difficult pieces less difficult than the whole. Begin learning the = pieces that attract you the most. For me, a good deal of what makes a piece difficult is the amount of desire I have to learn it.   In addition, learning pieces in "order of difficult" will ultimately take more time. I remember learning the Franck chorales in reverse order of difficulty. I sweated blood over the first choral, but found the second = and third far easier to learn. Learning the Franck chorales in "order" is learning them in reverse order of difficulty.   My advice: Learn in order of enjoyment!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d5.a94eea4.28a71217_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/11/01 3:11:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>alpat5@bellatlantic.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Can anyone = recommend a progressive repertoire list leading up in difficulty <BR>to the <BR>Preludes, Fugues, and especially the Sonatas? Exactly how difficult = are <BR>these works considered to be by most organists? </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>My recommendation would be to sight-read the entire opus. = &nbsp;&nbsp;You will find <BR>some more difficult than others. &nbsp;In addition, you will find = parts of some <BR>difficult pieces less difficult than the whole. &nbsp;&nbsp;Begin = learning the pieces <BR>that attract you the most. &nbsp;&nbsp;For me, a good deal of what = makes a piece <BR>difficult is the amount of desire I have to learn it. <BR> <BR>In addition, learning pieces in "order of difficult" will ultimately = take <BR>more time. &nbsp;I remember learning the Franck chorales in reverse = order of <BR>difficulty. &nbsp;I sweated blood over the first choral, but found the = second and <BR>third far easier to learn. &nbsp;Learning the Franck chorales in = "order" is <BR>learning them in reverse order of difficulty. <BR> <BR>My advice: &nbsp;&nbsp;Learn in order of enjoyment! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d5.a94eea4.28a71217_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:14:49 -0500   You know, the Prelude in G is not too terribly difficult, and neither is = the slower movement to the Sonata III or to the Sonata VI. Not saying they = are easy, but they seem a good place or two to start on playing Mendelssohn. = If that's too hard, then take Bud's advice.   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: The Wish VS The Dish From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:45:50 EDT     --part1_33.1946c786.28a71dae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Wow!   The Wish   The Dish   The Bish   Works for me :)       --part1_33.1946c786.28a71dae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Wow! &nbsp; <BR> <BR>The Wish <BR> <BR>The Dish <BR> <BR>The Bish <BR> <BR>Works for me :) <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_33.1946c786.28a71dae_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:50:33 EDT     --part1_70.e5c6f3a.28a71ec9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Also keep in mind that although they are called "sonatas", Mendelssohn = didn't necessarily write the movements in each to be played as a whole (with the exception of the 6th). He more or less bundled these little pieces = together into "sonatas" to satisfy his publishers and public (the English I = believe, but quotest thou me not).   I think on the whole, Mendelssohn is SO underrated and underplayed.   Go for it.   Neil B   --part1_70.e5c6f3a.28a71ec9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Also keep in mind that although they are called "sonatas", = Mendelssohn didn't <BR>necessarily write the movements in each to be played as a whole (with = the <BR>exception of the 6th). &nbsp;He more or less bundled these little = pieces together <BR>into "sonatas" to satisfy his publishers and public (the English I = believe, <BR>but quotest thou me not). <BR> <BR>I think on the whole, Mendelssohn is SO underrated and underplayed. <BR> <BR>Go for it. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>Neil B</FONT></HTML>   --part1_70.e5c6f3a.28a71ec9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:14:14 -0500       alpat5 wrote:   > I'm a young, rather inexperienced organist who wishes to become better. > I recently purchased the complete organ works of Mendelssohn by Schirmer > and concluded I'm not technically up to the challenge of many of the > works. Can anyone > recommend a progressive repertoire list leading up in difficulty to the > Preludes, Fugues, and especially the Sonatas?   First, in my opinion, the best thing to do consult the Novello edition of the "Complete Works of Mendelssohn". This is a more nearly complete edition, and contains a large quantity of works of Mendelssohn that were unknown until the were collected about fifteen years ago. Unlike Bach, nearly all of Mendelssohn's music is thought to survive, though during = WWII many of his manuscripts were sent for safekeeping to a site in what is now Poland, where they were not readily accessible. I don't know the Schirmer editions, but the Novello edition is in five volumes. If the Schirmer contains similar material to the Kalmus, then there are three volumes = worth of Mendellsohn that you do not yet own....   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:37:59 -0400     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Mendelssohn     > First, in my opinion, the best thing to do consult the Novello edition = of > the "Complete Works of Mendelssohn". This is a more nearly complete > edition, and contains a large quantity of works of Mendelssohn that were > unknown until the were collected about fifteen years ago>   While Novello does indeed have the Berlin-Krakow manuscript material that was not available at the time of the earlier editions most of us use, I = must say that the Novello edition of the Sonatas which I bought a few years ago struck me as a fairly careless production, with really obvious mistakes = and, I thought, very little consideration given to page turns. Part of the page turn problem is the spaciousness of the score - tons of wasted space, with the music incredibly spread out, I presume a function of a bad job of computer type-setting. When I was at Oberlin in the 50s, we were advised = to buy the G. Schirmer Warren edition because of the care taken by the = engraver in matters of layout. There were some suspect editorial markings, to be sure, but these could be ignored. I bought the Novello to replace my battered up old Warren copy, which I soon found myself patching and reinstating it to use.   Saturday night cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler    
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:09:23 -0500   I also bought the Novello edition at the New York AGO Centennial because = it was touted as wonderful. I too was disappointed and went back to my old inherited edition. I did not like the way the score was spread out, and although told that care had gone into determining the page breaks, was not impressed. It still sits in my music cabinet practically untouched.   Sometimes (and more often than not) old and used is better.   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: The Wish VS The Dish From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:49:29 EDT     --part1_f3.e2652fb.28a748b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/11/01 7:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > > Wow! > > The Wish > > The Dish > > The Bish >   and the sequel....     Oh Pish!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_f3.e2652fb.28a748b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/11/01 7:46:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>Wow! &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>The Wish <BR> <BR>The Dish <BR> <BR>The Bish <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>and the sequel.... <BR> <BR> <BR>Oh Pish! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f3.e2652fb.28a748b9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone need a laugh? From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 11:47:36 +0800   Maybe my sense of humour is under developed, but will someone tell me what is funny about www.epowerbiggs.com? All I see there is Webstar Server 4. and nothing else. Bob E.    
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone need a laugh? From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 03:09:28 -0400   I suspect you don't have the proper macromedia flash player installer which is why you see "Webstar Server 4", instead of a rather funny internet streaming animation.   You can get the macromedia flash player at:   http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/index.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=3DSh= ockwaveFlash   Bob Elms wrote:   > Maybe my sense of humour is under developed, but will someone tell me > what is funny about www.epowerbiggs.com? > All I see there is Webstar Server 4. and nothing else. > Bob E. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************