PipeChat Digest #2314 - Wednesday, August 15, 2001
 
Fiat Lux by Dubois - recording
  by "Jenny and Martin Setchell" <setchell@paradise.net.nz>
Re: Allegro and Saint Tobias
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: pitch
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Allegro part 3
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Yet more Courboin
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
Re: Oragnitis a pipe organ disease
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Oragnitis a pipe organ disease
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Cleveland Public Hall Organ
  by "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
RE: pitch... but different
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Thanks [was Adjustable benches]
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
higher pitches in old organs
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Thanks [was Adjustable benches]
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: pitch... but different
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Thanks [was Adjustable benches]
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
 

(back) Subject: Fiat Lux by Dubois - recording From: "Jenny and Martin Setchell" <setchell@paradise.net.nz> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:27:46 +1200   Hi Robert,   Martin has recorded this (Fiat Lux by Dubois) on his Bonbons for Organ, Atoll ACD 600, which you can order online from www.marbecks.co.nz They will post anywhere in the world, and the online cost is only $NZ25.95 which is fairly comparable to your US dollar. In fact I sometimes get the feeling we are living in a banana republic down here!!   Cheers Jenny Setchell mailto:setchell@paradise.net.nz   www.nzorgan.com for a colourful new organ screensaver, go to www.nzorgan.com and follow the links....      
(back) Subject: Re: Allegro and Saint Tobias From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:38:52 -0700   > (The >Apocrypha is where the story of the Maccabees is found as well.) Tobit, >indeed, was blinded. > >Tobias is the son of Tobit, and he was assisted by the Archangel Raphael, = who >help arrange his marriage and helped Tobias cure his father's blindness. = In >return, Tobias led a faithful and good life, praising God. > >Vicki   I picked "Tobias" just on a whim. How interesting that there is an actual history!   John V --  
(back) Subject: Re: pitch From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:32:24 +0800   A435 night have been the norm during those years in the USA but it certainly was not in some other countries. I well remember conducting an orchestra in a West Australian country town whose piano had been tuned to what was then called New Philharmonic pitch (A=3D440Hz), now standard pitch. A440 had just been adopted as the world standard, in this country replacing the old high Concert Pitch. Some of the orchestra (woodwind and brass in particular) still played their instruments of many years which were at the old high Concert Pitch. I can't remember the exact frequency but it was close to A450.It made life difficult as, though it is easy to flatten a woodwind or brass instrument a few Herz, it can be well nigh impossible to sharpen them by more than a Herz or two. The year would have been about 1949. Bob Elms.    
(back) Subject: Allegro part 3 From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:46:27 -0700   She was insistent, he tried to act non-chalant, distant. Jeremy slowly turned the key and dropped it into the bench as he stood up. He didn't want to answer. A tightening in his chest mixed with..... what? No! this was not the time to drop his defenses. Maybe the time to end it? Here and now? Was that fair? But fair to whom? He wanted so much to say he loved her, but could not. Or could he? It could happen again though. But... Sam was so different.... not like.... . He should trust her. So he was the coward! Yet.... why make Semantha part of that? If he could make her understand maybe..... A clean break..... It was time. It would be better. "Look Sam," he began hesitantly , " I know what you think, or maybe would like to think, but it's no good, you understand?" He spoke more rapidly now, wanting the words out: " It can't be any good Sam. Please, just forget it. You're you, and I'm me, and that's all there is to it. There can't be any more. Ever!" There! He'd said it, but his heart ached. Samantha now showed pain, the words had stung. Yet she sounded cool, suppressing anger mixed with fear: "Just what does that mean, Jeremy? That....that you are you and I am me business? I don't understand it. Jer' , there has to be more than this. There just has to be. I don't believe you. Are you saying what we have is just nothing? Was it always.... nothing!?"   Father Cramer re-entered the church. Many years of counseling attuned him to the little drama playing out before him so he quietly closed the large church doors and retreated to his office.  
(back) Subject: Re: Yet more Courboin From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:51:19 -0400   ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Yet more Courboin(Shortish)     > Charles played Casavants for a while, that's as close as he ever got to > Canada. He stepped off the boat in NYC harbor, and the Statue of = Liberty. > He already had a job waiting for him in upstate NY. >   Charles Courboin was organist at the First Baptist Church in Syracuse - a Casavant -- which has had its rebirth recently in Florida. I was lucky to snag two of his recordings on 78s from a garage sale.   Cheers,   Bonnie Beth   Bonnie Beth Derby, B.Mus., M.Mus. Organist & Director of Music, St. James Roman Catholic Church, Syracuse [1988 Odell/Kerner & Merchant 33-rank tracker organ] Producer & Host: "Orgelwerke" & "Choral Traditions", WCNY-FM, 91.3, Syracuse; WUNY-FM, 89.5, Utica; WJNY-FM, 90.9, Watertown; Website: www.wcny.org e-mail: orge@dreamscape.com      
(back) Subject: Re: Oragnitis a pipe organ disease From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:07:00 -0400   > From: MWORGLBAU@aol.com > Subject: Re: Oragnitis a pipe organ disease > > I haven't heard this term used in I don't know when. I was first > accused of having this disease by my 5th grade teacher, Mrs. Freed. A = real > mean spirited woman that could not stand that I, or any one else, was so > enthusiastic about anything. She hated the fact that I loved pipe organs = so > much. She told me, in front of the entire class, that I had "organitis", > trying to embarrass me in front of the class, and to get me to shut up = about > pipe organs.   No relative of mine, let me assure you. My mother was a school teacher, = but not at any point this side of 1928. And none of the (very few) other = "Mrs. Freeds" in our Freed family were ever school teachers.   Tee he   Alan Freed    
(back) Subject: Re: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:18:31 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3080711911_4569770_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   Farther downtown, as you might imagine, what with the borough's growth northward. In SOHO [SOuth of HOuston], 260-264 Mulberry Street, between Prince and East Houston Streets. Beautiful tree-filled park, almost a = whole square block, with the cathedral amongst the trees. VERY worth a special visit. "The interior is a grand, murky brown 'Gothicized' space, with cast-iron columns supporting a timber roof." (AIA Guide). After the = visit, dinner in Little Italy or Chinatown, which are nearby.   Alan   From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:05:04 EDT To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC   Not meaning to sound dumb or anything, but where is Old St. Pat's in relation to the present Cathedral?         --MS_Mac_OE_3080711911_4569770_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Farther downtown, as you might imagine, what with the borough's growth = nort=3D hward. &nbsp;In SOHO [SOuth of HOuston], 260-264 Mulberry Street, between = Pr=3D ince and East Houston Streets. &nbsp;Beautiful tree-filled park, almost a = wh=3D ole square block, with the cathedral amongst the trees. &nbsp;VERY worth a = s=3D pecial visit. &nbsp;&quot;The interior is a grand, murky brown = 'Gothicized' =3D space, with cast-iron columns supporting a timber roof.&quot; (AIA Guide). = &=3D nbsp;After the visit, dinner in Little Italy or Chinatown, which are = nearby.=3D <BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <B>From: </B>Innkawgneeto@cs.com<BR> <B>Reply-To: </B>&quot;PipeChat&quot; &lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;<BR> <B>Date: </B>Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:05:04 EDT<BR> <B>To: </B>pipechat@pipechat.org<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Re: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC<BR> <BR> <FONT SIZE=3D3D"2">Not meaning to sound dumb or anything, but where is Old = St. =3D Pat's in relation <BR> to the present Cathedral? <BR> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3080711911_4569770_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: Oragnitis a pipe organ disease From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:35:23 +0800   Well here's one school teacher (now retired) who suffered badly from "organitis" and still does.     > > Subject: Re: Oragnitis a pipe organ disease > > I haven't heard this term used in I don't know when. I was first > > accused of having this disease by my 5th grade teacher, Mrs. Freed. A = real mean spirited woman that could not stand that I, or any one else, was = so > > enthusiastic about anything. She hated the fact that I loved pipe = organs    
(back) Subject: Cleveland Public Hall Organ From: "Will Scarboro" <whs1325@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:12:31 -0400         Dear Mike and List,   The organ is none other than Skinner Organ Company opus 328 built in = 1921. It was the largest organ that E.M. Skinner built while with his own company. It was also the only five manual organ he ever built. It contains =   about 150 ranks of pipes and cost $100,000 to build in 1921. Among its tonal wonders are four complete Diapason choruses with mixtures, large scale flues, two wooden 32' Bombardes, a Tuba Mirabilis on 35" pressure, and a full size grand piano.   Unfortunately, the organ was never successful in the room. The Cleveland public hall is built with two auditoriums using a common stage house. A smaller "little" theatre, and the massive Public Hall which could seat 10,000 people. Because the city wanted the capability to use the organ for =   either auditorium, the organ chambers were built into the side of the = stage house, this meant that except for the Echo organ in the Public Hall, the rest of the organ had no direct egress into either room. Despite the size of the organ it sounded very muffled out in the auditorium, and when the echo and main organs were used together, the echo was actually louder then =   the main organ. Edwin Arthur Kraft and the Cleveland AGO tried to raise money to move the main organ to better chambers in the 1930's but that never happened. Thusly, the organ was mainly heard over the radio.   The organ was rarely played and sat unused for many years. At some point all of the metal pipes were stolen from the Echo organ and are missing to this day. The organ was renovated in the 1970's, and new Klann console replaced the original console. The organ enjoyed a brief resurgence of use =   but alas fell back into disuse. To this day it is used less than six times =   a year.   I was hoping that some of the media attention on 328's sister organ at Severance Hall might spread to it, but that didn't happened. Oh,well. I hope this answers your question.   Sincerely,   Will Scarboro American Municipal Pipe Organ Research Project    
(back) Subject: RE: pitch... but different From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:37:21 -0400   by which I mean, a few days ago I was talking about my digital (okay, = okay, moan so you can read on) organ and I was asking about which pitch doe one recommend for playing Bach. Of the three choices I have, most seemed to agree that the Werckmeister, which I use, was the best choice. But someone had recommended that I "play around using the various options...W, Equal = and Mean. Last night I played some Merulo using the Meantone. Oy, nothing sounded "in tune" to my monotempered ears. I, in particular like the = general public, am soooooooooo used to equal temperament that anything else sounds "off" if ever so slightly. But for some reason this Mean tone was really off-sounding, yet there was something attractive about it that I got = excited listening to it's now flatness now sharpness. I know, Ron, you sent me = those Temperament sites and I haven't got to them, so I ask the list why is the meantone so "off" for lack of a better way to put it (ignorance) the piece was in secondo tono.  
(back) Subject: Re: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:20:20 EDT     --part1_3a.19241e4a.28abed34_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/15/01 12:02:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:     > The three-manual Henry Erben organ in the gallery of Old Saint Patrick's =   > Cathedral in New York City, dating from 1868, clearly has the unaltered > pipework speaking with relaxed and eloquent grandeur at this "high" = pitch. >   Are the specifications of this instrument available anywhere? If not, = would you be kind enough to post them with our thanks?   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_3a.19241e4a.28abed34_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/15/01 12:02:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>TubaMagna@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The three-manual = Henry Erben organ in the gallery of Old Saint Patrick's <BR>Cathedral in New York City, dating from 1868, clearly has the = unaltered <BR>pipework speaking with relaxed and eloquent grandeur at this "high" = pitch. &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Are the specifications of this instrument available anywhere? = &nbsp;&nbsp;If not, would <BR>you be kind enough to post them with our thanks? <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3a.19241e4a.28abed34_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:36:41 -0400   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C125A0.14A669D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <http://nycago.org/html/NYCOrgans.html> http://nycago.org/html/NYCOrgans.html go here for the spcifications -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 11:20 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: 19th century pitch/Old St Pat's NYC     In a message dated 8/15/01 12:02:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:         The three-manual Henry Erben organ in the gallery of Old Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York City, dating from 1868, clearly has the unaltered pipework speaking with relaxed and eloquent grandeur at this "high" pitch.           Are the specifications of this instrument available anywhere? If not, would you be kind enough to post them with our thanks?   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C125A0.14A669D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D#800000><A = href=3D"http://nycago.org/html/NYCOrgans.html"><FONT face=3DGaramond>http://nycago.org/html/NYCOrgans.html</FONT></A><FONT face=3DGaramond>&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D481083615-15082001> = </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#800000><FONT face=3DGaramond><SPAN class=3D481083615-15082001></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#800000><FONT face=3DGaramond><SPAN class=3D481083615-15082001></SPAN><SPAN class=3D481083615-15082001>go here = for the spcifications</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#800000><FONT face=3DGaramond><SPAN class=3D481083615-15082001></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#800000><FONT face=3DGaramond><SPAN class=3D481083615-15082001></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 15, 2001 = 11:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 19th century =   pitch/Old St Pat's NYC<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT = face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a message dated 8/15/01 12:02:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>TubaMagna@aol.com writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">The three-manual Henry Erben organ in the gallery of Old = Saint Patrick's <BR>Cathedral in New York City, dating from 1868, clearly has = the unaltered <BR>pipework speaking with relaxed and eloquent grandeur at = this "high" pitch. &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>Are the specifications of this = instrument available anywhere? &nbsp;&nbsp;If not, would <BR>you be kind enough to = post them with our thanks? <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's = Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, = and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT> = </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C125A0.14A669D0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Thanks [was Adjustable benches] From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:37:46 EDT     --part1_46.192cab23.28abf14a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/15/01 12:52:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes:     > All of you with shorter legs - think how much easier it is to shorten > something than it is to lengthen it!!!   I wonder....   a) place blocks under bench legs to raise height. b) saw off small sections of bengh legs until proper height attained. c) place blocks under bench legs to raise be to proper height because too much removed. d) measure again because bench rocks.   .... do the math! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_46.192cab23.28abf14a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 8/15/01 12:52:31 AM Eastern = Daylight Time, <BR>Myosotis51@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000080" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Abadi MT Condensed Light" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE = style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">All of you with shorter legs - think how much = easier it is to shorten <BR>something than it is to lengthen it!!!</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Abadi MT Condensed Light" = LANG=3D"0"> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I wonder.... <BR> <BR>a) place blocks under bench legs to raise height. <BR>b) saw off small sections of bengh legs until proper height attained. <BR>c) place blocks under bench legs to raise be to proper height because = too <BR>much removed. <BR>d) measure again because bench rocks. <BR> <BR>... do the math! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_46.192cab23.28abf14a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: higher pitches in old organs From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:39:11 -0700   I know that the Schnitger in Zwolle is almost a half-step high ... I've heard it said that was because wind supplies were inadequate to make low "C" speak, but that isn't logical, since a lot of those big organs had a 32' reed, if not a 32' flue as well, so clearly they could build low C in a sixteen-foot register.   As I recall, Koehnken apprenticed with Matthias Schwabe, who had apprenticed with one of the Silbermanns ... could the lower pitch in his instruments be a function of the more accompanimental nature of SOUTH German organs in that period?   I don't recall the details of E. Power Biggs' Handel organ concerti recording project on the Great Packington (?) organ ("handles Handel handled") in England, except that it had to be re-pitched by Mander so the orchestra could tune to it ... was it higher, or lower?   If I thought I'd never have to work with instruments, I WOULD have the new organ at St. Matthew's pitched at A=3D435 ... the lower pitch at Old St. Mary's CERTAINLY made for a warmer, more relaxed CHOIR sound, though a few people with perfect pitch went home with a headache every Sunday (grin). But since I WILL have to work with instruments, I'm stuck with A=3D440, though perhaps NOT with totally equal TEMPERAMENT.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach            
(back) Subject: Re: Thanks [was Adjustable benches] From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:52:39 -0700   > > >I wonder.... > >a) place blocks under bench legs to raise height. >b) saw off small sections of bengh legs until proper height attained. >c) place blocks under bench legs to raise be to proper height because too >much removed. >d) measure again because bench rocks. > >... do the math! ;-) We had the original bench that came with our 1928 Wurlitzer. One of our former crew members decided on her own that the it was too high. She sawed 2 inches off. Now it wobbles and we are forever adding blocks!   Grrrr..... the urge to kill!   John V --  
(back) Subject: Re: pitch... but different From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:55:45 EDT     --part1_3c.fff35cd.28abf581_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Robert, The composers who lived with unequal temperaments used the nuances of the temperament to enhance and make their music exciting and different. The most interesting of these, to me, are the chromatic fugues which exploit every possibility of the intonation. It definitely takes getting used = to, but I really think it's worth it. Now try it with Hindemith or Reger!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_3c.fff35cd.28abf581_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Robert, <BR>The composers who lived with unequal temperaments used the nuances of = the <BR>temperament to enhance and make their music exciting and different. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The <BR>most interesting of these, to me, are the chromatic fugues which = exploit <BR>every possibility of the intonation. &nbsp;&nbsp;It definitely takes = getting used to, <BR>but I really think it's worth it. &nbsp;&nbsp;Now try it with = Hindemith or Reger!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3c.fff35cd.28abf581_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Thanks [was Adjustable benches] From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:56:18 -0400   well all this talk about benches, benches, benches, if they didn't cost = $200 maybe folks would buy and second bench to keep around!     -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee [mailto:jovanderlee@vassar.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:53 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Thanks [was Adjustable benches]     > > >I wonder.... > >a) place blocks under bench legs to raise height. >b) saw off small sections of bengh legs until proper height attained. >c) place blocks under bench legs to raise be to proper height because too >much removed. >d) measure again because bench rocks. > >... do the math! ;-) We had the original bench that came with our 1928 Wurlitzer. One of our former crew members decided on her own that the it was too high. She sawed 2 inches off. Now it wobbles and we are forever adding blocks!   Grrrr..... the urge to kill!   John V --   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org