PipeChat Digest #2319 - Thursday, August 16, 2001
 
RE: Jackel Tracker Organs
  by "Barry H Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net>
Re: Allegro - part 5
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Allegro - part 8
  by "Claire" <fleahopper@earthlink.net>
Re: pitch... but different
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Mixtures to scream or not to scream
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Jackel Tracker Organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2318 - 08/16/01
  by "rfziegler" <rfziegler@ameritech.net>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Jackel Tracker Organs From: "Barry H Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:20:42 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0032_01C12690.ECA27360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I live in Brevard and have been somewhat active in the organ community here. The etiology of the organ stems from a close relationship between the Brevard College president and Emory University's organist, Timothy Albrecht. The organ is very large and its specification can be found on the Brevard College website. I am one of the detractors who feel that the instrument, even in its current form, is too limited for its purpose. A teaching instrument, particularly when it is the only instrument at that institution, should be capable of encompassing a variety of repertoire. The donors did not specify the builder as far as I know. The specification had already been drawn up and the builder chosen when the financial backing was obtained. At any rate, the instrument should be very much at home in the building which, I agree, has tremendous potential. Personally, I'd like to see a late English Romantic concert instrument or perhaps one of the many languishing historical American municipal organs in place of this pseudo-Baroque pretender from a high-priced "boutique" builder. P.S. Please tell me a little bit about yourself and tell me how you came about finding our unique little community. Barry H. Bodie, MD, FACS Western Carolina Urological Associates Brevard, NC bbodie@infoave.net -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Mattcinnj@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:57 PM To: Pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Jackel Tracker Organs Hi All,   In Brevard, North Carolina a new concert hall was recently constructed and the primary donors also contributed around $1.2 MILLION dollars for a Jackel (Spelling ??) tracker organ. The music center is part of Brevard College and the completion date for the organ is mid 2002. The concert hall seats around 750 people and is used for a wide variety of programs offered to the community. I have attended concerts there and the concert hall is very successful acoustically, esthetically etc.   Brevard is a small town and the college has been very community oriented so this organ is sure to be used in a wide variety of concerts. Brevard has a Chamber Orchestra and several Choral / Civic Choruses ... music is an integral part of the community.   From what I have heard around town, the donors stipulated that the builder MUST be this company and the specification was drawn up by Jackel with absolutely no input requested or welcomed by the organ teaching staff, local organists etc. I was also told that the spec. was initially a stark Baroque design that was finally modified to include a string Celeste to appease some of the more vocal critics.   I have not seen the specification and have never heard of this builder ..... I was told it is a small shop in Minn. and cannot find it on the Web.   Does anyone out there have any first hand knowledge of this builder and the quality of his / her work ? I sure hope someone responds with some great feedback. Although it is absolutely none of my business, this whole approach smells like a disaster in the making to me. IMHO, $1.2 MILLION dollars is a lot of money to risk.   Thanks   Matt   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0032_01C12690.ECA27360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html xmlns:o=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =3D xmlns:w=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" =3D xmlns:st1=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" =3D xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DProgId content=3D3DWord.Document> <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10"> <meta name=3D3DOriginator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10"> <link rel=3D3DFile-List href=3D3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C12690.EC46E5E0"> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"State"/> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"City"/> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"PlaceType"/> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"PlaceName"/> <o:SmartTagType =3D namespaceuri=3D3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name=3D3D"place"/> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:SpellingState>Clean</w:SpellingState> <w:GrammarState>Clean</w:GrammarState> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if !mso]> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4; mso-font-charset:0; mso-generic-font-family:swiss; mso-font-pitch:variable; mso-font-signature:16792199 0 0 0 65791 0;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-ansi-font-size:10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:navy;} span.SpellE {mso-style-name:""; mso-spl-e:yes;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */=3D20 table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]--> </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US link=3D3Dblue vlink=3D3Dpurple =3D style=3D3D'tab-interval:.5in'>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I live in Brevard and have been =3D somewhat active in the organ community here. The etiology of the organ stems from = =3D a close relationship between the =3D </span></font><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>Brevard</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =3D </span></font><st1:PlaceType><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>College</span></font></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><font =3D size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'> president and </span></font><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>Emory</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =3D </span></font><st1:PlaceType><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>University</span></font></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><font = =3D size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>&#8217;s organist, Timothy Albrecht. The organ is very large = =3D and its specification can be found on the =3D </span></font><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>Brevard</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =3D </span></font><st1:PlaceType><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>College</span></font></st1:PlaceType></st1:place><font =3D size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'> website. I am one of the detractors who feel that the =3D instrument, even in its current form, is too limited for its purpose. A teaching instrument, particularly when it is the only instrument at that =3D institution, should be capable of encompassing a variety of repertoire. =3D <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The donors did not specify the =3D builder as far as I know. The specification had already been drawn up and the =3D builder chosen when the financial backing was obtained. =3D <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>At any rate, the instrument should = =3D be very much at home in the building which, I agree, has tremendous potential. Personally, I&#8217;d like to see a late English Romantic concert =3D instrument or perhaps one of the many languishing historical American municipal organs = =3D in place of this pseudo-Baroque pretender from a high-priced =3D &#8220;boutique&#8221; builder.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>P.S. Please tell me a little bit =3D about yourself and tell me how you came about finding our unique little =3D community.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Barry H. Bodie, MD, =3D FACS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><st1:place><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy =3D face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Western =3D Carolina</span></font></st1:place><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'> Urological Associates<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><st1:place><st1:City><font size=3D3D2 = color=3D3Dnavy =3D face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Brevard</span></f= =3D ont></st1:City><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'>, </span></font><st1:State><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = =3D face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>NC</span></font><=3D /st1:State></st1:place><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>bbodie@infoave.net<o:p></o:p></span>= =3D </font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On = =3D Behalf Of </span></b>Mattcinnj@aol.com<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, August = =3D 16, 2001 5:57 PM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D Pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Jackel Tracker = =3D Organs</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hi All, <br> <br> In Brevard, North Carolina a new concert hall was recently constructed =3D and <br> the primary donors also contributed around $1.2 MILLION dollars for a =3D Jackel <br> (Spelling ??) tracker organ. The music center is part of Brevard College = =3D and <br> the completion date for the organ is mid 2002. &nbsp;The concert hall =3D seats around <br> 750 people and is used for a wide variety of programs offered to the =3D <br> community. &nbsp;I have attended concerts there and the concert hall is = =3D very <br> successful acoustically, esthetically etc. &nbsp; <br> <br> Brevard is a small town and the college has been very community oriented = =3D so <br> this organ is sure to be used in a wide variety of concerts. =3D &nbsp;Brevard has a <br> Chamber Orchestra and several Choral / Civic &nbsp;Choruses &nbsp;... =3D music is an <br> integral part of the community. <br> <br> From what I have heard around town, &nbsp;the donors stipulated that the builder <br> MUST be this company and the specification was drawn up by Jackel with =3D <br> absolutely no input requested or welcomed by the organ teaching staff, =3D local <br> organists etc. &nbsp;I was also told that the spec. was initially a =3D stark Baroque <br> design that was finally modified to include a string Celeste to appease &nbsp;some <br> of the more vocal critics. <br> <br> I have not seen the specification and have never heard of this builder =3D ..... I <br> was told it is a small shop in Minn. and cannot find it on the Web. =3D &nbsp; <br> <br> Does anyone out there have any first hand knowledge of this builder and = =3D the <br> quality of &nbsp;his / her &nbsp;work ? I sure hope someone responds =3D with some great <br> feedback. Although it is absolutely none of my business, this whole =3D approach <br> smells like a disaster in the making to me. &nbsp;IMHO, $1.2 MILLION =3D dollars is a <br> lot of money to risk. <br> <br> Thanks <br> <br> Matt </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0032_01C12690.ECA27360--    
(back) Subject: Re: Allegro - part 5 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:48:16 EDT     --part1_e5.ac65fc0.28adc3d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/16/01 8:29:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:     > Glenda Sutton (hanging on the edge of her seat and looking for John a > contact with Harlequin Romances) >   Patience, Glenda. Just imagine the Hammond in the background as you ask thoses questions.... will Jeremy crumble under the pressure? yada yada   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_e5.ac65fc0.28adc3d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/16/01 8:29:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Glenda Sutton = (hanging on the edge of her seat and looking for John a <BR>contact with Harlequin Romances) <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Patience, Glenda. &nbsp;&nbsp;Just imagine the Hammond in the = background as you ask <BR>thoses questions.... &nbsp;&nbsp;will Jeremy crumble under the = pressure? &nbsp;yada yada <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e5.ac65fc0.28adc3d0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Allegro - part 8 From: "Claire" <fleahopper@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:00:07 -0400   It's over :(   When does the next one start??   Claire    
(back) Subject: Re: pitch... but different From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:59:47 EDT     --part1_30.195dcdc9.28adc683_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/16/01 8:39:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:   < Must be something wrong with my ears.....   Nothing wrong with your ears, Bob. It's your brain! (nothing wrong with = it either, actually). You just need time to get used to ANOTHER dimension = of organ music. It does not exclude anyone's music, it's just a matter of learning to = enjoy the dissonance and the following resolutions into wonderful consonance. = It adds a new dimension to any music played. Some music you may not enjoy = in unequal temperaments, but that is why there are CHOICES! With various temperaments, NO ONE gets excluded in the long run.   I would venture to guess that the reason 90% (which I feel is a bit too = high) of organ are tuned in ET is that it is/was the "fad" cum tradition. The =   pendulum is swinging and hopefully will even out so that eventually, a representative number of equal and un-equal instruments will be available = so that our enjoyment can be enlarged. All pianos are not tuned in ET... = at least MINE isn't!! ;-)   Unfortunately, much is due to the ignorance of some builders/tuners; = there are those (if you want to meet a bunch, come to Florida!) who just have = not grown and refuse to because there is no pressing need. They will wait = until they start to lose money, and then they will expand their horizons. > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_30.195dcdc9.28adc683_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/16/01 8:39:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR>&lt; Must be something wrong with my ears..... <BR> <BR>Nothing wrong with your ears, Bob. &nbsp;It's your brain! = &nbsp;(nothing wrong with it <BR>either, actually). &nbsp;&nbsp;You just need time to get used to = ANOTHER dimension of <BR>organ music. <BR>It does not exclude anyone's music, it's just a matter of learning to = enjoy <BR>the dissonance and the following resolutions into wonderful = consonance. &nbsp;&nbsp;It <BR>adds a new dimension to any music played. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Some music = you may not enjoy in <BR>unequal temperaments, but that is why there are CHOICES! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;With various <BR>temperaments, NO ONE gets excluded in the long run. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I would venture to guess that the reason 90% (which I feel is a bit = too high) <BR>of organ are &nbsp;tuned in ET is that it is/was the "fad" cum = tradition. &nbsp;&nbsp;The <BR>pendulum is swinging and hopefully will even out so that eventually, a =   <BR>representative number of equal and un-equal instruments will be = available so <BR>that our enjoyment can be enlarged. &nbsp;&nbsp;All pianos are not = tuned in ET... &nbsp;at <BR>least MINE isn't!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Unfortunately, much is due to the ignorance of some builders/tuners; = &nbsp;there <BR>are those (if you want to meet a bunch, come to Florida!) who just = have not <BR>grown and refuse to because there is no pressing need. &nbsp;They will = wait until <BR>they start to lose money, and then they will expand their horizons. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_30.195dcdc9.28adc683_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Mixtures to scream or not to scream From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:24:42 EDT     --part1_8d.b066fd1.28adcc5a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/16/01 3:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > Could we use another term, at least for a while. I've lost 1/2 of the > upperwork in my mouth that I'm all too sensitive to that word right now. >   Oh dear! Rough vestry meeting???? ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_8d.b066fd1.28adcc5a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/16/01 3:58:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Could we use = another term, at least for a while. I've lost 1/2 of the <BR>upperwork in my mouth that I'm all too sensitive to that word right = now. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Oh dear! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rough vestry meeting???? &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8d.b066fd1.28adcc5a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Jackel Tracker Organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:31:19 EDT     --part1_11e.33b72d3.28adcde7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Matt, I've met Mr. Jaeckel (can't remember his first name). He was one of the = five builders selected for a project several years ago. His work is exquisite =   and he is a fine craftsman, not to mention a nice guy. I would love to = have one of his organs. I would trust him to build an excpetional organ if = left to his own devices.   The fact that every Tom, Dick and Harriet in town was not allowed to "contribute a stop suggestion" is probably a good thing in the long run, eliminating the inevitability of a hodgepodge instrument that will play = "all the literature" poorly or adequately. People are far too sensitive = about this and everybody in town wants his/her name on the plaque that says who = had a hand in it. Designed by.... yada yada yada.... and the specification looks like every other organ highlighted in TAO and The Diapason for the = past ten years. I think the best organs are built by builders who are = allowed to build them. A purchaser needs to indicate the use/requirements for = the instrument and then to leave the builder alone to solve the problem. = That's their profession and craft.... they should be allowed to do it. It's the =   same as architecture. Remember... God so loved the world that he DIDN'T send a committee!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_11e.33b72d3.28adcde7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Matt, <BR>I've met Mr. Jaeckel (can't remember his first name). &nbsp;He was one = of the five <BR>builders selected for a project several years ago. &nbsp;&nbsp;His = work is exquisite <BR>and he is a fine craftsman, not to mention a nice guy. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = would love to have <BR>one of his organs. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would trust him to build an = excpetional organ if left <BR>to his own devices. <BR> <BR>The fact that every Tom, Dick and Harriet in town was not allowed to <BR>"contribute a stop suggestion" is probably a good thing in the long = run, <BR>eliminating the inevitability of a hodgepodge instrument that will = play "all <BR>the literature" poorly or adequately. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;People are far = too sensitive about <BR>this and everybody in town wants his/her name on the plaque that says = who had <BR>a hand in it. &nbsp;&nbsp;Designed by.... yada yada yada.... and the = specification <BR>looks like every other organ highlighted in TAO and The Diapason for = the past <BR>ten years. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I think the best organs are built by = builders who are allowed <BR>to build them. &nbsp;&nbsp;A purchaser needs to indicate the = use/requirements for the <BR>instrument and then to leave the builder alone to solve the problem. = &nbsp;&nbsp;That's <BR>their profession and craft.... they should be allowed to do it. = &nbsp;&nbsp;It's the <BR>same as architecture. &nbsp;&nbsp;Remember... God so loved the world = that he DIDN'T <BR>send a committee! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11e.33b72d3.28adcde7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2318 - 08/16/01 From: "rfziegler" <rfziegler@ameritech.net> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:34:45 -0700   on 8/16/2001 5:32 PM, jlspeller@mindspring.com in PipeChat at pipechat@pipechat.org wrote:     > You would never have survived back in the days of the fifteen minute =3D > radio soap opera.....grew up with them as my grandmother, who lived with = =3D > us, was addicted. I sometimes think the TV soaps which cover an hour, = =3D > rarely produce much more substance in the 60 minutes than the 15 minutes = =3D > on radio did.   Dear Lizst, When I was a kid I seem to remember Geo. Wright playing a Conn (or was I dreaming) on some soap on ABC during the 60's or 70's. Always wished I = could play like that. Sorry I stopped the lessons. Now I'm stuck playing by ear. (Maybe that's why my ears are sore all the time ;))     -- Bob Ziegler rfziegler@ameritech.net AIM: zieglerbob99 Yahoo: zieglerbob     Playing in the key of "off" in beautiful downtown Sauk Village, Illinois   If you want to see what I look like check out http://profiles.yahoo.com/zieglerbob