PipeChat Digest #2322 - Friday, August 17, 2001
 
Re: Holtkampism past and present
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Baroque Knock off's
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Allegro - part 8
  by "Greg Corbett" <corbettg@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Allegro  part 8 & End
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: Allegro - part 8
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: Allegro - part 8
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
mixture problems
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
RE: Barry's love of the English Romantic
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
Re: Mixtures to scream or not to scream
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Jackel Tracker Organs
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: who decides?
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Organ for sale in TAO (x-POSTED)
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Holtkamp
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: mixture problems
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: on the Jackel and pitches (way to go Bruce)
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Baroque Knock off's
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Baroque Knock off's
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Holtkampism past and present From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:32:22 EDT   Hi Bud:   It's good news to hear that their new important organs have broken away from the Flower box mold with mixtures screaming bloody murder down in front. A Three manual and pedal console open to dust and dirt with no way of closing or locking it, with 25 stop or rockers playing 54 ranks. Pedal reeds Fagot 16' and Shelly May 4' on purpose. Most choral based liturature called for Trumpet 8' and Choral bass 4' in the pedal.   A French based instrument is indeed a step in the right direction.   Hopefully gone are the days of a Hauptwerke with Quintadena 16' Gedackt 8' Prinzipal 4' Grob Gedackt 4' Sizzle Octaff 2' and Mixture V-XII 1 1/3' Regal 16' Shelly May 8' and Zinkel 4'. I exaggerate, but not by much!   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Baroque Knock off's From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:38:04 EDT   Hi Wayne:   What I have said over and over again agrees with what you are saying. Baroque voicing on period knockoff's require Temperments such as 1/4 Comma thru 1/6 Comma or one of the other later tuning schemes to complete the picture. Equal just doesn't cut it, Mixtures, mutations and reeds suffer. The sound is steril in equal, but sings using = temperments. The idea that nobody will notice the difference is like the ostrich with it's head in the ground. I like Paul Fritts's organs because they are = warm, well tempered in tuning, and a satisfying sound. The tone is so different that equal scrambles the results and spoils the sound. I can't seem to get these people to see it though. Very frustrating! It's hard to deal with a closed mind. I say go all the way or don't build them! Regards, Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Allegro - part 8 From: "Greg Corbett" <corbettg@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:38:00 -0700   Let me join in, calling for ENCORE, ENCORE!!!!   I enjoyed your story as well, nicely done!    
(back) Subject: Re: Allegro part 8 & End From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:12:28 -0700   >Well, now you've done it! I go by to check on my mom every day at = lunchtime >if I'm in town. She always has "As the World Turns" on, but barely = watches >it. I got engrossed in the plot today, because the scumbag on the show = is >being prosecuted for attempted murder, and it's going to turn out that = the >beautiful sweet jilted girl on the show will be the culprit. I was late >getting back to work! > >It's all your fault!   Sorry ;-)   John V --  
(back) Subject: RE: Allegro - part 8 From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:19:53 -0700   >Coming to a theater near you.... :-)       Yeah, I wished... It could put my kids through college!!   John V   >-----Original Message----- >From: Claire [mailto:fleahopper@earthlink.net] >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:00 PM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Re: Allegro - part 8 > > >It's over :( > >When does the next one start?? > >Claire > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     --  
(back) Subject: RE: Allegro - part 8 From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:21:11 -0500   My older daughter is a film maker in Hollywood. I'll see what she thinks can be done. Right now, she's working on "Felicity."   -----Original Message----- From: John Vanderlee [mailto:jovanderlee@vassar.edu] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 6:20 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Allegro - part 8     >Coming to a theater near you.... :-)       Yeah, I wished... It could put my kids through college!!   John V   >-----Original Message----- >From: Claire [mailto:fleahopper@earthlink.net] >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:00 PM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Re: Allegro - part 8 > > >It's over :( > >When does the next one start?? > >Claire > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     --   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: mixture problems From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:12:26 -0400   Snip   Well Wayne, I was labouring under the impression that the mixtures were situated according to where the tuner had to stand to do his job. If the organ is tuned from the front of the section the mixtures are in the front. Try tuning upperwork which is buried behind an 8' rank.It happens in an organ we tune here and removing pipeowrk to get to the upperwork is not a good way of doing things. it also wastes time waiting till the removed and replaced pipework cools off again. Wayne please check your wordwrap. You are hard to read. ------------------------------------ Snip   Bob, first, my word wrap is on.. I checked it and it's set to 72 = characters. is this OK, let me know.. I don't know what is happening = there???   You bring up good points about additions and how in the world you would = tune upper work if you can't get to it. (but here, design is the problem)   I guess there are inherent problems with additions. Of course, I've seen = a lot of new installations with "flower boxes" hanging on each side of the = chancel and from some very recognizable organ companies. I won't say = builders because these are larger than that. It's just an observation in what I see (and hear) in comparison to organs that = were designed and build in a case.   Wayne    
(back) Subject: RE: Barry's love of the English Romantic From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:37:17 -0400   I suppose it is all a matter of personal taste. I am enamoured by English Romantic organ music as much a result of heritage and pedagogical background as anything else. My most influential teachers were English musicians and my most memorable organ experiences were with English organs. As a result, this is my preferred period of music and what I enjoy playing the most. I am not a professional musician - obviously. I can understand the logic in the arguments of Bruce and the others. Unfortunately, the instrument in question was designed without benefit of the organist who would be using it for teaching and performance. I hope the college can find an organ professor to start a wonderful program around the instrument.   Barry, you stated your concerns and you idea of your idea of what an organ = should sound like very well and mirrored what I was saying from the other = side of the coin without being belligerent or offended. Thank you.   First, never apologize for not being a professional musician... that only = means you probably aren't prostituting yourself (that was a joke = everyone... don't get all upset!... but think about it!)   And yes, you have the right to say I love "this" type of organ music. Your = heritage should come out in your music preferences. The ideal situation = so you and I can both have an organ that plays our music as intended, is = to have more than one instrument, this is the ideal situation in a perfect world (and then we could trade benches when = we wanted to play something else).   More than likely, the possibility of finding an organ in the community = (meaning a large church) to fill the Romantic bill could be a possibility. = I had a generic EP from Hagerstown MD. at my school so we studied outside = of the school on trackers for baroque music when ever possible.   Chances are, a good instrument will attract a good teacher and the program = will shine. Actually, who knows, maybe this will end up being one of a = series of organs planned for the future?   Wayne    
(back) Subject: Re: Mixtures to scream or not to scream From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:41:43 -0500     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C1273B.7F658D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Gee, I was taught that a pipe voiced to scream would in fact scream = regar=3D dless of the temperament. Perhaps I should ask for a tuition rebate = from=3D college.   Let's see, if I tune the local Skinner in Werckmeister, would it sound = le=3D ss tubby than usual?   Wait, let's retune the Benroya Fisk in equal to see if becomes quieter.   What a load of manure. =3D20       Mixtures will continue scream right along with Mutations in EQUAL and = eve=3D ryone will continue the pastime of complaining about it. I look for = solut=3D ions to objections and problems, but some would rather complain. There = is=3D a choice, Kellner offers that is an improvement, and not a radical change in tuning from EQUAL that solves the objections.   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C1273B.7F658D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>Gee, I was = tau=3D ght that a pipe voiced to scream would&nbsp;in&nbsp;fact&nbsp;scream = rega=3D rdless of the&nbsp;temperament.&nbsp; Perhaps I should ask for a tuition = =3D rebate from college.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Let's = see,&nbsp;if&nbsp=3D ;I&nbsp;tune the local Skinner in Werckmeister, would it sound less = tubby=3D than usual?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Wait, let's retune the Benroya = =3D Fisk in equal to see if becomes quieter.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <DIV>Wha=3D t a load&nbsp;of manure.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <DIV>&=3D nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; = PA=3D DDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; = MARGIN=3D -RIGHT: 0px"> <P>Mixtures will continue scream right along with = Mutations=3D in EQUAL and everyone will continue the pastime of complaining about = it.=3D I look for solutions to objections and problems, but some would rather = c=3D omplain. There is a choice, Kellner offers that is<BR>an improvement, = and=3D not a radical change in tuning from EQUAL that<BR>solves the = objections.=3D </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C1273B.7F658D40--  
(back) Subject: Re: Jackel Tracker Organs From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:19:52 -0500     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0003_01C12740.D3F4A3A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I had an opportunity to play/hear the Jaeckel installation in Lansing, = MI=3D .. Good-sized three manual instrument of the French romantic school. = NIC=3D E instrument: beautiful casework, beautiful sound, comfortable console. = =3D Historically informed, not a copy of anything in particular.   Brevard College will get a fine instrument. =3D20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mattcinnj@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:58 PM To: Pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Jackel Tracker Organs =3D20 Hi All, =3D20   In Brevard, North Carolina a new concert hall was recently constructed = an=3D d =3D20 the primary donors also contributed around $1.2 MILLION dollars for a = Jac=3D kel =3D20 (Spelling ??) tracker organ. The music center is part of Brevard College = =3D and =3D20 the completion date for the organ is mid 2002. The concert hall seats = ar=3D ound =3D20 750 people and is used for a wide variety of programs offered to the =3D20 community. I have attended concerts there and the concert hall is very = =3D20 successful acoustically, esthetically etc. =3D20   Brevard is a small town and the college has been very community oriented = =3D so =3D20 this organ is sure to be used in a wide variety of concerts. Brevard = has=3D a =3D20 Chamber Orchestra and several Choral / Civic Choruses ... music is an = =3D20 integral part of the community. =3D20   From what I have heard around town, the donors stipulated that the = build=3D er =3D20 MUST be this company and the specification was drawn up by Jackel with = =3D20 absolutely no input requested or welcomed by the organ teaching staff, = lo=3D cal =3D20 organists etc. I was also told that the spec. was initially a stark = Baro=3D que =3D20 design that was finally modified to include a string Celeste to appease = =3D some =3D20 of the more vocal critics. =3D20   I have not seen the specification and have never heard of this builder = ..=3D ... I =3D20 was told it is a small shop in Minn. and cannot find it on the Web. = =3D20   Does anyone out there have any first hand knowledge of this builder and = t=3D he =3D20 quality of his / her work ? I sure hope someone responds with some = grea=3D t =3D20 feedback. Although it is absolutely none of my business, this whole = appro=3D ach =3D20 smells like a disaster in the making to me. IMHO, $1.2 MILLION dollars = i=3D s a =3D20 lot of money to risk. =3D20   Thanks =3D20   Matt =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0003_01C12740.D3F4A3A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>I had an = oppor=3D tunity to play/hear the Jaeckel installation in Lansing, MI.&nbsp; = Good-s=3D ized three manual instrument of the French romantic school.&nbsp; NICE = in=3D strument:&nbsp; beautiful casework, beautiful sound, comfortable = console.=3D &nbsp; Historically informed, not a copy of anything in = particular.</DIV>=3D <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Brevard College will get a fine = instrument.</DIV>=3D <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; = PADDING-LEFT:=3D 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px=3D "> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV> = <DI=3D V style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt Arial; COLOR: = black"><B>From:<=3D /B> Mattcinnj@aol.com</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt Arial"><B>Sent:</B> = =3D Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:58 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt = Arial"><=3D B>To:</B> Pipechat@pipechat.org</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt = Arial"><B>=3D Subject:</B> Jackel Tracker Organs</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><FONT = face=3D3Dar=3D ial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>Hi All, <BR><BR>In Brevard, North Carolina = a=3D new concert hall was recently constructed and <BR>the primary donors = als=3D o contributed around $1.2 MILLION dollars for a Jackel <BR>(Spelling ??) = =3D tracker organ. The music center is part of Brevard College and <BR>the = co=3D mpletion date for the organ is mid 2002. &nbsp;The concert hall seats = aro=3D und <BR>750 people and is used for a wide variety of programs offered to =3D the <BR>community. &nbsp;I have attended concerts there and the concert = h=3D all is very <BR>successful acoustically, esthetically etc. &nbsp; = <BR><BR=3D >Brevard is a small town and the college has been very community = oriented=3D so <BR>this organ is sure to be used in a wide variety of concerts. = &nbs=3D p;Brevard has a <BR>Chamber Orchestra and several Choral / Civic = &nbsp;Ch=3D oruses &nbsp;... music is an <BR>integral part of the community. = <BR><BR>=3D From what I have heard around town, &nbsp;the donors stipulated that the = =3D builder <BR>MUST be this company and the specification was drawn up by = Ja=3D ckel with <BR>absolutely no input requested or welcomed by the organ = teac=3D hing staff, local <BR>organists etc. &nbsp;I was also told that the = spec.=3D was initially a stark Baroque <BR>design that was finally modified to = in=3D clude a string Celeste to appease &nbsp;some <BR>of the more vocal = critic=3D s. <BR><BR>I have not seen the specification and have never heard of = this=3D builder .... I <BR>was told it is a small shop in Minn. and cannot find = =3D it on the Web. &nbsp; <BR><BR>Does anyone out there have any first hand = k=3D nowledge of this builder and the <BR>quality of &nbsp;his / her = &nbsp;wor=3D k ? I sure hope someone responds with some great <BR>feedback. Although = i=3D t is absolutely none of my business, this whole approach <BR>smells like = =3D a disaster in the making to me. &nbsp;IMHO, $1.2 MILLION dollars is a = <BR=3D >lot of money to risk. <BR><BR>Thanks <BR><BR>Matt = <BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOT=3D E></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0003_01C12740.D3F4A3A0--  
(back) Subject: Re: who decides? From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:37:12 -0400   Dear Bud (et al),   My story starts after your quote(s)......   On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:18:14 -0700 quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > I've had some interesting experiences over the years in doing organ > designs ... > > One well-known tracker builder said to me, "I'll NEVER build a > sub-octave coupler on a one-manual organ" ... <snip> > > Some BASIC things like that need to be there, whether the current > organist thinks he needs them or not. I KNOW what our service needs, > but > I'm also nearing retirement ...<snip> > > Design is a tricky business ... most organists think they can draw a > stoplist; the vast majority CAN'T. Time and again I look at > wasteful, > expensive designs in the Diapason and TAO, and say, "AHA! That's an > organist-designed organ." Then I usually look at the name of the > CHURCH > and wonder how in tarnation that organist is going to play the organ > and > choral literature of THAT denomination on THAT organ. > A true story about one of the organ builders that we had visit our church (prior to the decision to buy the Casavant)   The gentleman arrived ( after a long drive) and was greated by myself and the DoM in the Church parking lot. As we entered the building, the first door we came to was marked "Choir Room" The builder said: "That's what I want see first !" He entered the room and made a bee-line for the Choir's music "cubbies". After going through all the music in one choirmember's folder, he asked to see the "music library", which he proceeded to scan for a while. HE then said, "Now that I've seen what music you do - let's see where you do it !" So we went to the Sanctuary !   I was impressed by this builder's concern for the music we DO, rather than the music he might have thought we did !   If you would like to know WHO this builder is..... ( I name names !!!!!!)       It is John Bishop, Bishop Organ Company of Massachussets (and the new director of the ORgan Clearing House !)         Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY          
(back) Subject: Organ for sale in TAO (x-POSTED) From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:14:38 -0400   Dear Listers,   There is a 3 manual Moller (1928) advertised for sale in the August TAO. If anyone should be at all interested in this, please contact me as I have very specific information about this instrument.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: Holtkamp From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:04:20 -0400       On Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:35:55 -0700 quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > <BIG Snip>   > One point I neglected in my earlier message: unpleasant though some > Holtkamp "Martinis" WERE, Holtkamp's clean, crisp action and speech produced > a whole generation of organists from places like Oberlin and Syracuse (at > the time Oberlin's "graduate annex") who PLAYED that way: clean and crisp ... > Larry Cortner, David Britton, John Gordon Morris, Bill Porter, and an > AWFUL lot of people whose names I've forgotten over the years.   The Syracuse University's Crouse College Holtkamp cannot be mentioned without the names: Arthur Poister David N. Johnson Donald Sutherland Leonard Raver and ( of course) Will O. Headlee   There are, of course, many, many others as well.....     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: mixture problems From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:24:08 -0500   And plenty of Skinners with the mixture over behind a wall of 16, 8, and = 4' reeds!!!!! Roy   Wayne Grauel wrote:   > Snip > > Well Wayne, I was labouring under the impression that the mixtures were > situated according to where the tuner had to stand to do his job. If the > organ is tuned from the front of the section the mixtures are in the > front. Try tuning upperwork which is buried behind an 8' rank.It happens > in an organ we tune here and removing pipeowrk to get to the upperwork > is not a good way of doing things. it also wastes time waiting till the > removed and replaced pipework cools off again. > Wayne please check your wordwrap. You are hard to read. > ------------------------------------ > Snip > > Bob, first, my word wrap is on.. I checked it and it's set to 72 = characters. is this OK, let me know.. I don't know what is happening = there??? > > You bring up good points about additions and how in the world you would = tune upper work if you can't get to it. (but here, design is the problem) > > I guess there are inherent problems with additions. Of course, I've = seen a lot of new installations with "flower boxes" hanging on each side = of the chancel and from some very recognizable organ companies. I won't = say builders because these are larger than that. It's > just an observation in what I see (and hear) in comparison to organs = that were designed and build in a case. > > Wayne > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: on the Jackel and pitches (way to go Bruce) From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:24:33 EDT     --part1_7e.198431f0.28af0fc1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/17/01 9:54:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bbodie@InfoAve.Net writes:     > Unfortunately, the instrument in question was designed without > benefit of the organist who would be using it for teaching and > performance. I hope the college can find an organ professor to start a > wonderful program around the instrument. >   A good teacher can teach on most any organ. The best teachers I've encountered were not narrow in their scope or approach, although they were = in their preferences.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_7e.198431f0.28af0fc1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/17/01 9:54:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>bbodie@InfoAve.Net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Unfortunately, the = instrument in question was designed without <BR>benefit of the organist who would be using it for teaching and <BR>performance. I hope the college can find an organ professor to start a <BR>wonderful program around the instrument. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>A good teacher can teach on most any organ. &nbsp;&nbsp;The best = teachers I've <BR>encountered were not narrow in their scope or approach, although they = were in <BR>their preferences. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_7e.198431f0.28af0fc1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Baroque Knock off's From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:00:51 +0800   There must be an enormous number of "closed minds" Ron. Most organs in the English speaking world at least are tuned to equal temperament, as also are most pianos. I said before there must be 99%+ of organs in this country use it. Maybe many people like me play music other than Baroquemost of the time. There must be some reason for it. Maybe it's not their heads that are in the sand. Bob E.   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: It's hard to deal with a closed mind. I say go all the way or don't build them!    
(back) Subject: Re: Baroque Knock off's From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 22:40:07 EDT     --part1_dc.ad449dd.28af2f87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/17/01 3:41:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:     > The idea that nobody will notice the difference is like the ostrich with > it's head in the ground.   When I retuned the 3/16 Wicks in a Methodist church to Valotti, many = people in the congregation noted how much improved the sound of the organ was = after the pipes had been washed (they didn't know about the tuning). They = said it was much warmer sounding.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_dc.ad449dd.28af2f87_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/17/01 3:41:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The idea that = nobody will notice the difference is like the ostrich with <BR>it's head in the ground.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>When I retuned the 3/16 Wicks in a Methodist church to Valotti, many = people <BR>in the congregation noted how much improved the sound of the organ was = after <BR>the pipes had been washed (they didn't know about the tuning). = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;They said <BR>it was much warmer sounding. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_dc.ad449dd.28af2f87_boundary--