PipeChat Digest #2324 - Saturday, August 18, 2001
 
Frederick Hohman
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Frederick Hohman
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: mixtures
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
progress report - St. Matthew's, Newport Beach CA  (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: mixtures
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: mixtures
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Frederick Hohman
  by "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net>
First Baptist Church in Dallas
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Specifications For The Jaeckel Organ etc.
  by <Mattcinnj@aol.com>
Re: mixtures
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Gravissiama
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas
  by <Lewwill@aol.com>
Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Frederick Hohman From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 07:25:13 -0500   I was perusing the OHS catalogue this morning (the cat would not let me sleep in), and found this blurb in the sheet music section:   Frederick Hohman: Comic Variations on Good King Wenceslaus includes Theme = (A Medieval Mishap) and variations entitled On the Dark Side of the Moon, An Elephant in the Basement, Jumping Beans, In the Garden, and Being Chased = by the Elephant in the Basement.   Now, pray tell, is anyone familiar with these pieces? Has anyone played them? Inquiring minds want to know these things.   Glenda Sutton      
(back) Subject: Re: Frederick Hohman From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:31:21 EDT     --part1_74.ec7e212.28afba19_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/18/01 8:23:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes:     > Frederick Hohman: Comic Variations on Good King Wenceslaus includes = Theme (A > Medieval Mishap) and variations entitled On the Dark Side of the Moon, = An > Elephant in the Basement, Jumping Beans, In the Garden, and Being Chased = by > the Elephant in the Basement. > > Now, pray tell, is anyone familiar with these pieces? Has anyone played > them? Inquiring minds want to know these things. >   Played em? Heck! I don't even remember "those" verses!! ;-) Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_74.ec7e212.28afba19_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/18/01 8:23:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Frederick Hohman: = Comic Variations on Good King Wenceslaus includes Theme (A <BR>Medieval Mishap) and variations entitled On the Dark Side of the Moon, = An <BR>Elephant in the Basement, Jumping Beans, In the Garden, and Being = Chased by <BR>the Elephant in the Basement. <BR> <BR>Now, pray tell, is anyone familiar with these pieces? &nbsp;Has anyone = played <BR>them? &nbsp;Inquiring minds want to know these things. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Played em? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Heck! &nbsp;I don't even remember = "those" verses!! &nbsp;;-) <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_74.ec7e212.28afba19_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: mixtures From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:50:59 -0400     About mixtures... snip.. Gee, I was taught that a pipe voiced to scream would in fact scream = regar=3D dless of the temperament. Perhaps I should ask for a tuition rebate = from=3D college.   Let's see, if I tune the local Skinner in Werckmeister, would it sound = le=3D ss tubby than usual?   Wait, let's retune the Benroya Fisk in equal to see if becomes quieter.   What a load of manure.   Snip.... I don't think the concept here is mixtures that were deliberately voiced = wrong, we're talking about the affects of temperament on mixtures and = their inherent tendency to sound out of place either by poor location, = voicing, temperament or both...   Well, ignorance is bliss I guess, why don't you listen to what some other = people are saying and make it a point to listen to some other organs = rather than backing into a corner. Go find a digital organ somewhere that = sounds like a real organ and play with the temperaments. It doesn't take much to hear the difference.   Mixtures will scream if they are out of tune and that's what equal = temperament is my friend , out of tune everywhere... every so slightly. If you want to play music = after Bach and his friends, then that's something we have to settle on or = live with, at least to a degree. Most music is fine on a slightly equal = temperament, but there is some that won't work, you have to pick and choose.   Something like volotti is more in tune in the most keys, so therefore = logic dictates it will sound warmer and not scream (due to the fact that = it is in tune)!... There are a lot of new mechanical action organs out = there that are of equal temperament that sound great. (I mention mechanical action because this is the style everyone is thinking = for unequal temperaments) But that's what you will have when a custom = builder charges in excess of a half a million dollars for a 20 some stop = 2/M organ . There is more going into that instrument than just the status symbol of a name or design. How about the 4 to six months = they spend voicing this relatively modest sized instrument after the final = installation. This too has a lot to do with the final outcome, but the = truth is, the same organ in a different temperament will in-fact sound even better... but then you would loose your trade off.   Placement and voicing does play a part in this, a crappy organ that is way = out of bounds may still sound bad, in or out of tune!   But you're welcome to your opinion   He who has ears, let him hear!   Wayne   SNIP .............................................................. Subject: Re: mixture problems From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:24:08 -0500   And plenty of Skinners with the mixture over behind a wall of 16, 8, and = 4' reeds!!!!! Roy SNIP   Notice I didn't mention any particular company.... especially Skinner... = I can tell you around here there are tons of organs from other builders of = mass production that certainly do have the their little pipe gardens = sitting out on the wall. I guess it's supposed to be nice and bright... you know, baroque! (not).   Of course, as I mentioned the other problem is mixtures that are just = plain too high in pitch for the great.   Wayne        
(back) Subject: progress report - St. Matthew's, Newport Beach CA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:25:21 -0700   The slab for the new church is poured; the cornerstone-laying will be St. Matthew's Day, Sept. 21st ... the framing should be up by then. I'm hoping they can clear out the floor of the nave so we can set up chairs and a temporary altar there for the blessing of the stone ... that would be kewl ... our first service in the skeleton of the new building.   As to the quiet on Anglican-Music, I'M spending August binding CHOIR ANTHEMS (ugh!).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: mixtures From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 21:52:46 +0800   Wayne, how can mixtures tuned in equal temperament scream because they are out of tune. Mixtures are tuned in octaves and in pure intervals. Nothing is out of tune.No beats anywhere. Bob E.   Wayne Grauel wrote: > > Mixtures will scream if they are out of tune and that's what equal = temperament is my friend , > out of tune everywhere... every so slightly.    
(back) Subject: Re: mixtures From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:59:07 -0500     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0001_01C127C4.09C0FB40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   >I don't think the concept here is mixtures that were deliberately = voiced=3D wrong, we're >talking about the affects of temperament on mixtures and = t=3D heir inherent tendency to >sound out of place either by poor location, = vo=3D icing, temperament or both... =3D20 You contradict yourself within the same sentence. =3D20     >Well, ignorance is bliss I guess, why don't you listen to what some = othe=3D r people are >saying and make it a point to listen to some other organs = r=3D ather than backing into a >corner. Go find a digital organ somewhere = tha=3D t sounds like a real organ and play with the >temperaments. It doesn't = t=3D ake much to hear the difference. =3D20 =3D20 I'm hardly ignorant. I regularly tune my harpsichord in a variety of = tem=3D peraments. The basic timbre of the instrument remains unchanged = regardle=3D ss of the tuning. I do listen (well, actually "read") what some other = pe=3D ople are saying (writing) and have concluded that many of them are = basica=3D lly clueless. =3D20     >Mixtures will scream if they are out of tune and that's what equal = tempe=3D rament is my >friend , out of tune everywhere... every so slightly. If = =3D you want to play music after >Bach and his friends, then that's = something=3D we have to settle on or live with, at least to >a degree. Most music = i=3D s fine on a slightly equal temperament, but there is some that >won't = wor=3D k, you have to pick and choose. =3D20 I'm familiar with the "out of tuneness" of equal temperament. If a = mixtu=3D re isn't in tune with itself and the principal chorus, of course it will = =3D stick out like a sore thumb. All the octaves have to be pure and all = the=3D fifths (or other mutations) need to be purely tuned to the unisons.   >Something like volotti   It's Valotti     >Placement and voicing does play a part in this, a crappy organ that is = w=3D ay out of bounds >may still sound bad, in or out of tune!   Like I said, a pipe voiced to scream will scream regardless of the = temper=3D ament.     >But you're welcome to your opinion   >He who has ears, let him hear!     I have perfect pitch. My ears hear just fine, thank you.   Wayne   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0001_01C127C4.09C0FB40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>&gt;I don't = th=3D ink the concept here is mixtures that were deliberately voiced wrong, = we'=3D re &gt;talking about the affects of temperament on mixtures and their = inh=3D erent tendency to &gt;sound out of place either by poor location, = voicing=3D , temperament or both...</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>You contradict = your=3D self within the same sentence.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <DIV><BR><BR>&gt;W=3D ell, ignorance is bliss I guess, why don't you listen to what some other = =3D people are &gt;saying and make it a point to listen to some other organs = =3D rather than backing into a &gt;corner.&nbsp; Go find a digital organ = some=3D where that sounds like a real organ and play with the = &gt;temperaments.&n=3D bsp; It doesn't take much to hear the difference.</DIV> = <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=3D <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I'm hardly ignorant.&nbsp; I regularly tune my = ha=3D rpsichord in a variety of temperaments.&nbsp; The basic timbre of the = ins=3D trument remains unchanged regardless of the tuning.&nbsp; I do listen = (we=3D ll, actually "read") what some other people are saying (writing) and = have=3D concluded that many of them are basically clueless.&nbsp; </DIV> = <DIV><B=3D R><BR>&gt;Mixtures will scream if they are out of tune and that's what = eq=3D ual temperament is my &gt;friend ,&nbsp; out of tune everywhere... every = =3D so slightly.&nbsp; If you want to play music after &gt;Bach and his = frien=3D ds, then that's something we have to settle on or live with, at least to = =3D &gt;a degree.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most music is fine on a slightly equal = temperam=3D ent, but there is some that &gt;won't work, you have to pick and = choose.<=3D /DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I'm familiar with the "out of tuneness" of e=3D qual temperament.&nbsp; If a mixture isn't in tune with itself and the = pr=3D incipal chorus, of course it will stick out like a sore thumb.&nbsp; All = =3D the octaves have to be pure and all the fifths (or other mutations) need = =3D to be purely tuned to the unisons.<BR><BR>&gt;Something like = volotti</DIV=3D > <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>It's Valotti</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <DIV><BR>&g=3D t;Placement and voicing does play a part in this, a crappy organ that is = =3D way out of bounds &gt;may still sound bad, in or out of tune!<BR></DIV> = <=3D DIV>Like I said, a pipe voiced to scream will scream regardless of the = te=3D mperament.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><BR>&gt;But you're welcome to = you=3D r opinion<BR><BR>&gt;He who has ears, let him hear!</DIV> = <DIV>&nbsp;</DI=3D V> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I have perfect pitch.&nbsp; My ears hear just = f=3D ine, thank you.<BR><BR>Wayne<BR><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0001_01C127C4.09C0FB40--  
(back) Subject: Re: Frederick Hohman From: "Robert Ehrhardt" <r_ehrh@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:07:23 -0500   Played it two years ago on our Christmas concert - great hit with the audience. 'Tain't easy, but lots of fun. Some of the musical humor is = rather sophisticated and some is almost slapstick (e.g., the "Elephant" = variations) and I admit to overplaying some of the "jokes."   Robert Ehrhardt Noel Memorial UMC Shreveport, LA USA   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> To: "PIPECHAT" <pipechat@pipechat.org>; "PIPORG-L" <piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Frederick Hohman     > I was perusing the OHS catalogue this morning (the cat would not let me > sleep in), and found this blurb in the sheet music section: > > Frederick Hohman: Comic Variations on Good King Wenceslaus includes = Theme (A > Medieval Mishap) and variations entitled On the Dark Side of the Moon, = An > Elephant in the Basement, Jumping Beans, In the Garden, and Being Chased by > the Elephant in the Basement. > > Now, pray tell, is anyone familiar with these pieces? Has anyone played > them? Inquiring minds want to know these things. > > Glenda Sutton > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: First Baptist Church in Dallas From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:13:21 EDT     --part1_d8.aa2515a.28afe011_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hey all! Its been awhile, but I am back. I was just going to ask a question. Last Sunday I attended a service at First Baptist Church in Dallas, what I =   believe to be the largest Baptist church in the world. They had the most impressive music program I have ever seen! With the = choirs and the orchestras, and the pipe organ, it was just fabulous! Now here is the question: Does anyone know anything about that organ? It sounds quite large, and impressive. Has anyone on this list ever heard it, or played it?   I was just curious to find out more about it. I cant wait to get my hands = on it! Thanks Josh   Organist First Baptist Church Boyd, TX   --part1_d8.aa2515a.28afe011_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hey all! <BR>Its been awhile, but I am back. &nbsp; <BR>I was just going to ask a question. <BR>Last Sunday I attended a service at First Baptist Church in Dallas, = what I <BR>believe to be the largest Baptist church in the world. <BR>They had the most impressive music program I have ever seen! = &nbsp;With the choirs <BR>and the orchestras, and the pipe organ, it was just fabulous! <BR>Now here is the question: <BR>Does anyone know anything about that organ? <BR>It sounds quite large, and impressive. <BR>Has anyone on this list ever heard it, or played it? <BR> <BR>I was just curious to find out more about it. &nbsp;I cant wait to get = my hands on <BR>it! <BR>Thanks <BR>Josh <BR> <BR>Organist <BR>First Baptist Church <BR>Boyd, TX</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d8.aa2515a.28afe011_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:35:12 EDT     --part1_bb.127ee2f8.28afe530_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Are you sure it was First Baptist and not Second Baptist? Second has the = 200 rank Rodgers pipe organ with huge facades, 32' pedal pipes in the towers = of the facades and en Chamades protruding from them on both sides. It also boasts a massive 5 manual console.   Scott F   PS- I just noticed that you said DALLAS, not Houston. Sorry.   --part1_bb.127ee2f8.28afe530_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D2>Are = you sure it was First Baptist and not Second Baptist? &nbsp;Second has the = 200 <BR>rank Rodgers pipe organ with huge facades, 32' pedal pipes in the = towers of <BR>the facades and en Chamades protruding from them on both sides. = &nbsp;It also <BR>boasts a massive 5 manual console. <BR> <BR>Scott F <BR> <BR>PS- I just noticed that you said DALLAS, not Houston. = &nbsp;Sorry.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bb.127ee2f8.28afe530_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Specifications For The Jaeckel Organ etc. From: <Mattcinnj@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:39:47 EDT     --part1_97.19fcd444.28afe643_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi everyone,   Thank you all for the feedback, especially the corrections to my third = hand knowledge of how the organ came to be. With the correct spelling, I = located the specifications etc.and thought they would be of interest.   Here are 2 hypertext links to the Brevard College Website information:   <A HREF=3D"http://www.brevard.edu/organ/">Kirkpatrick-Coleman Organ at = Brevard College</A> <A = HREF=3D"http://www.brevard.edu/organ/stop_list.htm">Kirkpatrick-Coleman = Organ Stoplist</A>   If they don't take you to the sites when you double click them, you can use the following URLs   http://www.brevard.edu/organ/ http://www.brevard.edu/organ/stop_list.htm   I forgot to mention that Brevard College is a Methodist affiliated 4 year Liberal Arts college. Also there is a 1950ish Shantz across the street at First United Methodist. This organ was designed to serve as a teaching = and practice instrument for the college. It is being rebuilt in 2002 ... the original spec. is being retained unchanged. I have seen and heard this = organ and will post its Spec. when I can.   At this point, I will keep an open mind and will defer to those more knowledgeable of the music traditions and requirements of Methodist = churches as to how well the Jaeckel organ will prepare students for their real = world job responsibilities.   As to how the organ will fit in with the diverse music traditions of the community, I will say that the organ will certainly be a thing of beauty = that will enhance the concert hall visually. Musically, I think the community will NOT benefit / enjoy this type of organ sound. Count me squarely in Barry's corner on this one !!!!     Thanks again to all for taking the time and trouble to contribute to this thread.     Matt.       --part1_97.19fcd444.28afe643_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi everyone, <BR> <BR>Thank you all for the feedback, especially the corrections to my third = hand <BR>knowledge of how the organ came to be. &nbsp;With the correct = spelling, I located <BR>the specifications etc.and thought they would be of interest. <BR> <BR>Here are 2 hypertext links to the Brevard College Website information: <BR> <BR> <A HREF=3D"http://www.brevard.edu/organ/">Kirkpatrick-Coleman Organ = at Brevard College</A> <BR> &nbsp;<A = HREF=3D"http://www.brevard.edu/organ/stop_list.htm">Kirkpatrick-Coleman = Organ Stoplist</A> <BR> <BR>If they don't take you to the sites when you double click them, <BR>you can use the following URLs <BR> <BR>http://www.brevard.edu/organ/ <BR>http://www.brevard.edu/organ/stop_list.htm <BR> <BR>I forgot to mention that Brevard College is a Methodist affiliated 4 = year <BR>Liberal Arts college. Also there is a 1950ish Shantz across the street = at <BR>First United Methodist. &nbsp;This organ was designed to serve as a = teaching and <BR>practice instrument for the college. &nbsp;It is being rebuilt in 2002 = ... the <BR>original spec. is being retained unchanged. &nbsp;I have seen and = heard this organ <BR>and will post its Spec. when I can. <BR> <BR>At this point, I will keep an open mind and will defer to those more <BR>knowledgeable of the music traditions and requirements of Methodist = churches <BR>as to how well the Jaeckel organ will prepare students for their real = world <BR>job responsibilities. <BR> <BR>As to how the organ will fit in with the diverse music traditions of = the <BR>community, I will say that the organ will certainly be a thing of = beauty that <BR>will enhance the concert hall visually. &nbsp;Musically, I think the = community <BR>will NOT benefit / enjoy this type of organ sound. &nbsp;Count me = squarely in <BR>Barry's corner on this one !!!! &nbsp; <BR> <BR> <BR>Thanks again to all for taking the time and trouble to contribute to = this <BR>thread. <BR> <BR> <BR>Matt. <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_97.19fcd444.28afe643_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: mixtures From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:21:50 EDT   Bob:   The out of tuneness Wayne is talking about is intervalic. The octaves aren't out of tune of course, the intervals are. Everyone is aware of = that! The scale intervals are all out of tune, and every key is out of tune intervalically and equally. Equal has always been a compromise, and it's far from perfect. Every interval but the octave are out of tune. Boy, you are hard to convince! Wouldn't you agree, having 7 out of every eight scale degrees out of tune is going to upset off unison stops? Tierces were removed from chorus mixtures for that very reason. Quints suffer greatly, but work after a fashion, and only that.   FOCUS: Church work on the average organ using Equal is unnecessary. Auditorium, Town Hall, and Concert organs probably should be in Equal because of the use of other instruments. Organs used for the solo lituature would be better served, with well = temper. Hymns don't require Equal, nor does service liturature, and certainly not the 99% of solo liturature used in a service. Mixtures. mutations, and = reeds would benefit from well temper. I just don't see a reasonable objection = here at all. Yours is an emotional reaction, not a reasoned one.   Wayne has suggested going to a digital organ that has temperments and trying them out. I have suggested it. Use it as a tool! I'm not = suggesting tossing the pipe organ for a digital, I'm saying use one so equiped as a = tool. The objection goes away then. Once you experience what he and I are talking about, hopefully, you will say Oh! now I see it! It does make a big difference!   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Gravissiama From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:40:19 -0400   As I read the the specification list for Skinner Opus 328 in the Cleveland Public Auditorium, I note a 64' Gravissiama in the Pedal that is suffixed with (Resultant). I have read about Resultants, but still do not have a clear understanding of how they work. I think it has to do with sounding several different pipes from certain ranks at the same time to simulate the harmonic structure of a real 64'. I wonder if I'm on the right track? I would appreciate any discussion about the subject rank, and the Resultant definition as well. As a beginner, I can't help but be most fascinated by the pedal pipes because of their sheer size, and the amazing variety of low frequency tone that can be generated by the biggest organ pipes. By the way, I have found myself being swept up with interest and concern for this big untouched 5 man. Skinner. I have begun to make inquiries to the OHS, and intend to gather as much local information as I can to determine what is the current status, and what plans might be in place to insure we do not lose this historic example of Mr. Skinner's Symphonic Organ Work. I think this is a really good project for me at this point, and another concerned advocate for Opus 328 certainly can't hurt. I have had an amazing outpouring of information from list members already, but any more that can be added will be sincerely appreciated.   Cheers Mike      
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas From: <Lewwill@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:48:25 EDT   HI there   The organ in First Baptist in Dallas began life as a very large Casavant installed in the auditorium of the Eaton Department Store in Toronto. I = have a booklet on it somewhere that stated it was something like 100+ ranks. A similar instrument was installed in the Royal York Hotel in the same city.   The organ was removed and redone by the Keates/Geissler Company before = being reinstalled in First Baptist in Dallas in the late 70s or early 80s. I = think that Diane Bish played the dedication recital on it.   Lew Williams  
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:11:19 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3080985079_8316166_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   Josh: Can't tell you a thing about that organ, but am glad to see you = back and in good spirits.   Alan   From: Pologaptommy@aol.com Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:13:21 EDT To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: First Baptist Church in Dallas   Hey all! Its been awhile, but I am back.       --MS_Mac_OE_3080985079_8316166_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Josh: &nbsp;Can't tell you a thing about that organ, but am glad to see = you=3D back and in good spirits.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <B>From: </B>Pologaptommy@aol.com<BR> <B>Reply-To: </B>&quot;PipeChat&quot; &lt;pipechat@pipechat.org&gt;<BR> <B>Date: </B>Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:13:21 EDT<BR> <B>To: </B>pipechat@pipechat.org<BR> <B>Subject: </B>First Baptist Church in Dallas<BR> <BR> Hey all! <BR> Its been awhile, but I am back. &nbsp;<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3080985079_8316166_MIME_Part--