PipeChat Digest #2325 - Saturday, August 18, 2001
 
RE: Gravissiama
  by "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net>
Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
re. First Baptist Dallas
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: mixture problems
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
NEW Thomas Murray Woolsey Hall CD - Free Shipping Limited Time Offer
  by "Joe Vitacco" <joe@pipeorgancds.com>
Re: Gravissiama
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Gravissiama
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Mixture placement in the classic design
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: re. First Baptist Dallas
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
mixtures and not reading it (or me) the wrong way
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net>
RE: re. First Baptist Dallas
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: Gravissiama
  by "Audrey Jacobsen" <AJ1995@home.com>
Re: Gravissiama
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Holtkamp
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Gravissiama From: "Josh Edwards" <fbcorganist@att.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:11:32 -0400   Mike,   From my understanding of Resultants, it's only a true 32' and not 64'... It's borrowed from the lowest C to the next C on the pedal board. What happens is that a soft 5th from a 32' rank is added to the principal 32' note to give the rumble effect.   For example, if the lowest C is played, you don't get a 64' C, but a 32'C and a 32' G as well.   Understand?   Josh in TN     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gettelman Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 12:40 PM To: Pipechat Subject: Gravissiama     As I read the the specification list for Skinner Opus 328 in the Cleveland Public Auditorium, I note a 64' Gravissiama in the Pedal that is suffixed with (Resultant). I have read about Resultants, but still do not have a clear understanding of how they work. I think it has to do with sounding several different pipes from certain ranks at the same time to simulate the harmonic structure of a real 64'. I wonder if I'm on the right track? I would appreciate any discussion about the subject rank, and the Resultant definition as well. As a beginner, I can't help but be most fascinated by the pedal pipes because of their sheer size, and the amazing variety of low frequency tone that can be generated by the biggest organ pipes. By the way, I have found myself being swept up with interest and concern for this big untouched 5 man. Skinner. I have begun to make inquiries to the OHS, and intend to gather as much local information as I can to determine what is the current status, and what plans might be in place to insure we do not lose this historic example of Mr. Skinner's Symphonic Organ Work. I think this is a really good project for me at this point, and another concerned advocate for Opus 328 certainly can't hurt. I have had an amazing outpouring of information from list members already, but any more that can be added will be sincerely appreciated.   Cheers Mike       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:27:28 -0700 (PDT)   The organ in First Baptist Church in Dallas was installed by the Keates-Geisler Organ Company of Acton, Ontario about 1981 or so. The bulk of the organ was an old 1920s Casavant from the Eaton Auditorium in Toronto to which they added much pipework and several divisions as well as the five-manual console.   After ten years or so, the console became so unreliable and caused so much trouble that it was completely gutted and everything inside was replaced by the Mack Range Organ Company of Dallas. The only thing original about the console is the case, drawknobs, keyboards, pedal clavier, and the bench. Also Mack Range has replaced almost everything else (pipework, chests, etc.). I don't know how big the organ is, but the building acoustics are absolutely dreadfully dead.   I have some more information about this company's activies in the south involving five organs, all in Southern Baptist Churches. As soon as I can get my information together, I'll post it on the LIST.   D. Keith Morgan --- Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote: > Hey all! > Its been awhile, but I am back. > I was just going to ask a question. > Last Sunday I attended a service at First Baptist > Church in Dallas, what I > believe to be the largest Baptist church in the > world. > They had the most impressive music program I have > ever seen! With the choirs > and the orchestras, and the pipe organ, it was just > fabulous! > Now here is the question: > Does anyone know anything about that organ? > It sounds quite large, and impressive. > Has anyone on this list ever heard it, or played it? > > I was just curious to find out more about it. I > cant wait to get my hands on > it! > Thanks > Josh > > Organist > First Baptist Church > Boyd, TX >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: re. First Baptist Dallas From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:38:15 EDT     --part1_2f.197071af.28b00207_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear List- I know that the organ there was a Keates-Geissler rebuild of a Casavant = from Toronto, but I had heard that a couple of years ago the organ was = completely rebuilt by another company because the Keates-Geissler was literally = falling apart. I have also heard that the K-G in 1st Baptist, Jackson, MS, was rebuilt because it was failing, also. It was only 10 years old.     Monty Bennett   --part1_2f.197071af.28b00207_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear List- <BR>I know that the organ there was a Keates-Geissler rebuild of a = Casavant from <BR>Toronto, but I had heard that a couple of years ago the organ was = completely <BR>rebuilt by another company because the Keates-Geissler was literally = falling <BR>apart. &nbsp;I have also heard that the K-G in 1st Baptist, Jackson, = MS, was <BR>rebuilt because it was failing, also. &nbsp;It was only 10 years old. = &nbsp; <BR> <BR> <BR>Monty Bennett</FONT></HTML>   --part1_2f.197071af.28b00207_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: mixture problems From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:40:30 -0700 (PDT)   Dear Roy:   You said it! Many organs apparently were designed by people who have never had to tune one. It irritates the hell out of me to go into an organ to tune, and standing on the walkboard right in front of you is a 16' reed, 8' reed', 4' reed, and finally the mixture where you can't even see it, much less tune it. I can understand why many organ men drink so much!   D. Keith Morgan --- Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> wrote: > And plenty of Skinners with the mixture over behind > a wall of 16, 8, and 4' > reeds!!!!! > Roy > > Wayne Grauel wrote: > > > Snip > > > > Well Wayne, I was labouring under the impression > that the mixtures were > > situated according to where the tuner had to stand > to do his job. If the > > organ is tuned from the front of the section the > mixtures are in the > > front. Try tuning upperwork which is buried behind > an 8' rank.It happens > > in an organ we tune here and removing pipeowrk to > get to the upperwork > > is not a good way of doing things. it also wastes > time waiting till the > > removed and replaced pipework cools off again. > > Wayne please check your wordwrap. You are hard to > read. > > ------------------------------------ > > Snip > > > > Bob, first, my word wrap is on.. I checked it and > it's set to 72 characters. is this OK, let me know.. > I don't know what is happening there??? > > > > You bring up good points about additions and how > in the world you would tune upper work if you can't > get to it. (but here, design is the problem) > > > > I guess there are inherent problems with > additions. Of course, I've seen a lot of new > installations with "flower boxes" hanging on each > side of the chancel and from some very recognizable > organ companies. I won't say builders because these > are larger than that. It's > > just an observation in what I see (and hear) in > comparison to organs that were designed and build in > a case. > > > > Wayne > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: NEW Thomas Murray Woolsey Hall CD - Free Shipping Limited Time Offer From: "Joe Vitacco" <joe@pipeorgancds.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:52:14 -0400   Thomas Murray at Woolsey Hall, Yale University - New Haven, Connecticut Demonstration of the stops and divisions, plus a live organ recital!       2 CDs * 72 page booklet * photo essay * written essays * complete stop lists (3)       FREE SHIPPING! Limited time offer - order today! FREE SHIPPING! Only on domestic internet orders. Not available on telephone orders       CDs will ship approximately on September 4, 2001. Credit Cards will not be charged until your order is ready to ship.   Click here for full detail http://www.pipeorgancds.com   Thank you   Joe Vitacco  
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissiama From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:53:00 -0400       Josh Edwards wrote:   > Mike, > > >From my understanding of Resultants, it's only a true 32' and not = 64'... > It's borrowed from the lowest C to the next C on the pedal board. What > happens is that a soft 5th from a 32' rank is added to the principal 32' > note to give the rumble effect. > > For example, if the lowest C is played, you don't get a 64' C, but a > 32'C and a 32' G as well. > > Understand? > > Josh in TN   Yes, Josh, I do. That seems to confirm with my understanding of Resultants as I stated in my previous post. After reading your post, I = went to my Casio and played the lowest C and G together, and heard the beating between the two. I can imagine how this beating adds to the rumbling = effect when you get into the frequencies generated in 32' ranks. Are Resultants always based on 5ths?   Mike in OH    
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissiama From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:01:40 EDT   Hi Mike:   The 64' Gravissima is only maginally sucessful. At CC it is used along = with another derived stop Diapente Gravis. Minimum you need 128 feet and probably 256 feet of unobstructed free space for the waveform to develop. This takes time. A long pedal point might give enough time. What is = usually desired is soft not loud 64' tone for special effects. These were = postulated by Tartini as Tartini Tones. Atlantic City Auditorium may have a real 64' and there may be a real one on the Melbourne Town Hall organ. We are now in Diaphone Territory for a prompt loud one.   I have had the opportunity of playing the CC organ several times, and = tried the Gravissima 64'. It works for some things, but no cigar really. There really is a limit beyond which the developement of the wave form is possible. With normal hearing, the top of a 61 note 4' stop is the optimum, beyond that within 4 or 5 notes becomes a more or less a silent dog whistle. The Italian organs with separate draw mixture stops always broke back at note 73 by an octave. 2' stops ran all the way because the manual standard in those days was 49 notes. The Joseph Gabler organ in Weingarten Abbey had a manual compass of 49 notes. It had 6,666 pipes on four manuals. Gabler was paid one gold Floren for each pipe by the Benedictine monks.   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Mixture placement in the classic design From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:36:36 EDT   Dear Roy and list:   In the classicly designed organ the mixture was in front of the reeds at the back of the case, and a tuners walkboard in front for easy access. The longest Principal stop was found in the case prospect. The pipes beyond the walkboard, 2', 2 2/3', 4' and 8' st. flues with the longer = pipes in front of the smaller ones. Tuning even in a tight space was possible.   A Casavant I have had the opportunity to tune on occasion even has longer reeds in front of the shorter ones, so the reeds have to be removed, replaced, allowed to cool before they can be tuned again. There are 16 reed ranks, and a three hour job becomes 4 1/2. The organ is 92 ranks +. At Easter time we tuned it and noticed the party horn was terribly out. Reason a banner for Christmas was hung from the tuning wires, and just yanked down! This necessatated a lot of extra work recurving damaged reeds. Banner fluff blew out of the pipes like snow. Not a good way to treat an all copper w/ bells party horn! :) The tuning wires were ripped sideways across the reeds groving some of them.   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: re. First Baptist Dallas From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:50:45 -0700 (PDT)   Dear List:   The K-G organ in the First Baptist Church in Jackson, Mississippi is one of the five instruments I told you I would tell you more about when I got my information together. This one was also an old 1920s Casavant from the Royal York Hotel in Toronto. When they were installing this "new" organ, they were re-leathering enough of the old Casavant chests to make all notes play; chests which had the original leather. The church claims that this mess was a rebuild and enlargement of the 1938 Ernest M. Skinner & Son organ from the original building and that it has 235 ranks. PFERDESCHEISSE! I never saw anything that looked like Skinner work, and there may have been 60 ranks of pipes. The room is as dead as a doornail, and I have never seen so much carpet and pews in one place.   This church and its Ernest M. Skinner & Son organ played a major role in my youth in the 1950s, but that is now a thing of the past which no longer exists. The original Skinner organ was, by the way, built about the same time as the Washington Cathedral organ, after Ernest M. Skinner left the Aeolian-Skinner Company. This was a very good organ installed in a marginally acceptable room, acoustically speaking, but was stuffed in a chamber with extremely small tone openings. They might as well have installed it in the Capital building across the street.   D. Keith Morgan --- RMB10@aol.com wrote: > Dear List- > I know that the organ there was a Keates-Geissler > rebuild of a Casavant from > Toronto, but I had heard that a couple of years ago > the organ was completely > rebuilt by another company because the > Keates-Geissler was literally falling > apart. I have also heard that the K-G in 1st > Baptist, Jackson, MS, was > rebuilt because it was failing, also. It was only > 10 years old. > > > Monty Bennett >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: mixtures and not reading it (or me) the wrong way From: "Wayne Grauel" <wgvideo@attglobal.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:49:51 -0400   Bob, or who ever at this point, I do want to emphasize that I'm not (intentionally) making a blanket = statement that equal temperament means screaming mixtures, not at all... = that's absurd and that's a design and or voicing problem, not a tuning = problem   I think we all can appreciate the fact that with email discussions, it's = easy for email, because of the lack of conversational point counterpoint, = to easily get taken out of context of the original thought.. and just = plain get way out of hand. I know I'm guilty of missing something somewhere and coming in out of left field sometimes... maybe i = did here... who knows.... especially because i read these in digest form = and end up responding to a collection of points on the same subject.   So. with that I apologize if I get taken the wrong way... hey... we're all = temperamental musicians, what do you expect :>)   It's a tuff one sometimes to chime in and be taken in the proper frame of = mind or in direct context to one's point.   I will say that there are organ s that have screaming mixtures and = temperament is not the fault there.   The other side of the coin is that mixtures BLEND so much better in = Valotti (my mistake..) or other temperaments. The who sound is just = richer. that's all :>)   That was my point about very fine organs that sound wonderful in equal = temperament. It's the care that the builder puts in and the tonal concept = of the instrument that has the biggest part of the outcome here. But non = equal temperament is something to be really appreciated. All in personal taste too!   Respectfully Wayne    
(back) Subject: RE: re. First Baptist Dallas From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:16:39 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C127F8.C77CC4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear List: Not as a result of, but as a by-product of these organs' installation someone from Toronto was charged by the FBI, convicted of = fraud ( I believe ) and spent some time in U.S. prison. There was a "sting" operation in effect when the now criminal was arrested in the U.S.--I understand Keates-Geisler was not involved nor charged.   I'm not passing along gossip, it was the subject of a number of stories in newspapers around the greater Toronto area about 1992.   Hope this was of interest. ( as far as gossip goes-- I've heard only that the reeds in First Baptist, Dallas were worked on by another company after the organ was installed. ) A.M. -----Orig inal Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of RMB10@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 1:38 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: re. First Baptist Dallas     Dear List- I know that the organ there was a Keates-Geissler rebuild of a Casavant from Toronto, but I had heard that a couple of years ago the organ was completely rebuilt by another company because the Keates-Geissler was literally falling apart. I have also heard that the K-G in 1st Baptist, Jackson, MS, was rebuilt because it was failing, also. It was only 10 years old.     Monty Bennett   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C127F8.C77CC4A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D660380019-18082001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Dear=3D20 List: Not as a result of, but as a by-product of these organs' =3D installation=3D20 someone from Toronto was charged by the FBI, convicted of fraud (&nbsp;I = =3D believe=3D20 )&nbsp;and spent some time in U.S. prison. There was a "sting" operation = =3D in=3D20 effect when the now criminal was arrested in the =3D U.S.--</FONT></SPAN><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D660380019-18082001><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff = size=3D3D2>I =3D understand=3D20 Keates-Geisler was not involved nor charged.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D660380019-18082001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D660380019-18082001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>I'm=3D20 not passing along gossip, it was the subject of a number of stories = in=3D20 newspapers around the greater Toronto area about =3D 1992.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D660380019-18082001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D660380019-18082001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Hope=3D20 this was of interest.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D660380019-18082001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>( as=3D20 far as gossip goes-- I've heard only that&nbsp;the reeds in First =3D Baptist,=3D20 Dallas were worked on by another company after the organ was=3D20 installed.&nbsp;&nbsp;)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D660380019-18082001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>A.M.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Orig<BR>inal Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>RMB10@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 18, 2001 1:38=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> re. First =3D Baptist=3D20 Dallas<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2>Dear List-=3D20 <BR>I know that the organ there was a Keates-Geissler rebuild of a =3D Casavant=3D20 from <BR>Toronto, but I had heard that a couple of years ago the organ =3D was=3D20 completely <BR>rebuilt by another company because the Keates-Geissler = =3D was=3D20 literally falling <BR>apart. &nbsp;I have also heard that the K-G in =3D 1st=3D20 Baptist, Jackson, MS, was <BR>rebuilt because it was failing, also. =3D &nbsp;It=3D20 was only 10 years old. &nbsp; <BR><BR><BR>Monty Bennett</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C127F8.C77CC4A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissiama From: "Audrey Jacobsen" <AJ1995@home.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:25:45 -0700   Hi Ron,   Your erudition always brings a smile to my face. You must have an extensive library of books on organ building.   Regards, Audrey Jacobsen   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Mike: > > The 64' Gravissima is only maginally sucessful. At CC it is used along = with > another derived stop Diapente Gravis. Minimum you need 128 feet and > probably 256 feet of unobstructed free space for the waveform to = develop. > This takes time. A long pedal point might give enough time. What is = usually > desired is soft not loud 64' tone for special effects. These were = postulated > by Tartini as Tartini Tones. Atlantic City Auditorium may have a real = 64' > and there may be a real one on the Melbourne Town Hall organ. We are > now in Diaphone Territory for a prompt loud one. > > I have had the opportunity of playing the CC organ several times, and = tried > the Gravissima 64'. It works for some things, but no cigar really. There > really > is a limit beyond which the developement of the wave form is possible. > With normal hearing, the top of a 61 note 4' stop is the optimum, beyond > that within 4 or 5 notes becomes a more or less a silent dog whistle. = The > Italian organs with separate draw mixture stops always broke back at > note 73 by an octave. 2' stops ran all the way because the manual = standard > in those days was 49 notes. The Joseph Gabler organ in Weingarten Abbey > had a manual compass of 49 notes. It had 6,666 pipes on four manuals. > Gabler was paid one gold Floren for each pipe by the Benedictine monks. > > Regards, > > Ron Severin > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissiama From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:55:43 EDT   Hi Audrey:   I'm called a walking book. It's all committed to memory! :) And yes. the library is quite extensive, read years ago! I refer to them like Horowitz refered to music scores on TV one time, a glance and it was all clear again. Bud in Newport Beach is like that too. A walking encyclopedia of knowledge! I have a photographic memory for all things pipe organ.   I can tell you G. Donald Harrison designed into the Swell organ at The Mormon Tabernacle a 32' reed and a Quint Trompette 5 1/3' I heard Alexander Schreiner play Sleepers Awake using the whole chorus including these stops, melody only to start an improvisation on the tune. What a sound that was! He only did this once, the whole time I monitored his playing. What a colorful player he was!   I can tell you "Mother Church" was 235 ranks when originally finished, and The Mormon Tabernacle was 189 Ranks original. Morman organ now 206 ranks, Mother Church 237 ranks. Mother Church four manuals, Mormon organ always five since 1948. The Kimbal Vox, Melos Anthophone was removed in the recent rebuild. GDH cottened off several pipes of the Great Mixtures of which there are four, and were reinstated in the recent rebuild. How's that?  
(back) Subject: Re: Holtkamp From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:57:33 -0700 (PDT)   The Holtkamp organ which was once in Oberlin's Warner Concert Hall is now at Texas Technical University in Lubbock, Texas. I can't tell you anything about it, because I've not yet been there to see it, but will give you more details when I've examined it.   D. Keith Morgan --- The Schneider Family <arpschneider@starband.net> wrote: > quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > <some preliminary stuff snipped> > > > I don't think Chick can be blamed for the > less-that-successful instrument in > > new Warner Concert Hall at Oberlin (since replaced > by the yawn/bore > > Flentrop) ... for one thing, his father died while > it was under construction > > (it might not have been past the design stage ... > I don't remember ... > > didn't Walter Holtkamp Sr. die in 1962?) ... Chick > found himself doing a > > MAJOR organ for a MAJOR center of organ study as > one of his first > > instruments, if not THE first ... > > Interesting. About this time, another major > installation, which was > (according to Michael Barone on Pipedreams, who > recorded Todd Wilson > performing on the instrument I'm about to mention as > one of his first > programs way back when) was the St. John's > Benedictine Abbey Church in > Collegeville, MN. > > Of course, if the recording is any indication (other > than a bad > satellite uplink connection which made everything > sound "fuzzy towards > the end of the broadcast!) an explosion would sound > wonderful in this > space. > > But I remember being profoundly impressed by the > sound of this > instrument as being "just right"! Wilson played > many pieces on that > program including Edwin Lemare's "The Last Rose of > Summer" which allowed > him to explore and demonstrate an amazing variety of > tonal color > nuances. > > I was also amazed by the "Dismas Variations", as > this also offered an > amazing amount of tonal variety with a very full and > satisfying full > organ plenum with the 32' reed in the Pedal. > > > I think CHRIS Holtkamp is prepared to build in a > VARIETY of styles ... the > > fashions of his grandfather's day have passed, and > he knows it. > > In a way, I think that's too bad. There was > something certainly > satisfying about the aforementioned organ and I > would think that many > churches would gladly have an instrument that can > give an accounting of > itself like that. > > I've never seen the instrument or heard it in > person. For all I know: > up close and personally: it may be ugly, but from > what I heard those > many years ago, I remember being profoundly > impressed, and remain so to > this day. > > Faithfully, > > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO > SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. > Pipe Organ Builders > 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 > Kenney, IL 61749-0137 > (217) 944-2454 VOX > (217) 944-2527 FAX > mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL > mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL > http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/