PipeChat Digest #2327 - Sunday, August 19, 2001
 
Re: Specifications For The Jaeckel Organ etc.
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
Re: Specifications For The Jaeckel Organ etc.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Gravissima
  by "Audrey Jacobsen" <AJ1995@home.com>
RE: Gravissiama
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Cleveland Municipal Auritorium
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Gravissima
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Allegro
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
Re: Gravissiama
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
RE: Gravissiama
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas
  by <Pologaptommy@aol.com>
Re: Gravissiama
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
RE: Utah Organ In A Barn
  by "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Specifications For The Jaeckel Organ etc. From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:33:02 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0023_01C12835.BD901A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi, Bruce!   "Pauken" means "drums" in German. What it might refer to as concerns an = =3D organ I haven't a clue. If you find out, please let me know.   Dave     ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Specifications For The Jaeckel Organ etc.     What a wonderful stoplist. I'm sure with Dan Jaeckel behind it that =3D the=3D20 organ will be stunning.=3D20   I learned TWO very important things.=3D20   1) The organ will cost more than $200 because it has a "crank" =3D bench!!=3D20   2) I haven't the faintest what a "Pauken" is!! (anyone)=3D20       Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, = Bohawow!"=3D20 Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi=3D20 Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0023_01C12835.BD901A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi, Bruce!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>"Pauken" means "drums" in = German.&nbsp; =3D What it=3D20 might refer to as concerns an organ I haven't a clue.&nbsp; If you find = =3D out,=3D20 please let me know.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 18, 2001 = =3D 10:29=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Specifications For = =3D The=3D20 Jaeckel Organ etc.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">What a wonderful stoplist. &nbsp;I'm sure with = =3D Dan Jaeckel=3D20 behind it that the <BR>organ will be stunning. <BR><BR>I learned TWO =3D very=3D20 important things. <BR><BR>1) &nbsp;The organ will cost more than $200 = =3D because=3D20 it has a "crank" bench!! <BR><BR>2) &nbsp;I haven't the faintest what = =3D a=3D20 "</FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3D"Courier New" color=3D3D#000000 = size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"FIXED">Pauken" is!! &nbsp;&nbsp;(anyone) =3D <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>Bruce Cornely=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> &nbsp; =3D <BR>with the=3D20 Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"=3D20 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit =3D Howling=3D20 Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0023_01C12835.BD901A40--    
(back) Subject: Re: Specifications For The Jaeckel Organ etc. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:42:22 EDT     --part1_12a.302c18a.28b0818e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/18/01 10:39:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vdbarton@erols.com writes:     > "Pauken" means "drums" in German. What it might refer to as concerns an =   > organ I haven't a clue. If you find out, please let me know. >   My guess would be "drums". Italian organs sometimes had drums playable =   from the pedal. They were bass drums and add quite a kick to the = ensemble.   Best of all....                   they don't scream!!!   ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_12a.302c18a.28b0818e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/18/01 10:39:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>vdbarton@erols.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"Pauken" means = "drums" in German. &nbsp;What it might refer to as concerns an <BR>organ I haven't a clue. &nbsp;If you find out, please let me know. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>My guess would be "drums". &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Italian organs = sometimes had drums playable <BR>from the pedal. &nbsp;They were bass drums and add quite a kick to the = ensemble. <BR> <BR>Best of all.... <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>they don't scream!!! <BR> <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_12a.302c18a.28b0818e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissima From: "Audrey Jacobsen" <AJ1995@home.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:00:33 -0700   How's that?   BRAVISSIMO!   Especially that you put your photographic memory to such a worthwhile use and, we pipechat members benefit from your sharing this knowledge (and humor).   Thank you.   Regards, Audrey Jacobsen   RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Audrey: > > I'm called a walking book. It's all committed to memory! :) And yes. the > library is quite extensive, read years ago! I refer to them like = Horowitz > refered to music scores on TV one time, a glance and it was all clear > again. Bud in Newport Beach is like that too. A walking encyclopedia > of knowledge! I have a photographic memory for all things pipe organ. > > I can tell you G. Donald Harrison designed into the Swell organ at > The Mormon Tabernacle a 32' reed and a Quint Trompette 5 1/3' > I heard Alexander Schreiner play Sleepers Awake using the whole > chorus including these stops, melody only to start an improvisation > on the tune. What a sound that was! He only did this once, the whole > time I monitored his playing. What a colorful player he was! > > I can tell you "Mother Church" was 235 ranks when originally finished, > and The Mormon Tabernacle was 189 Ranks original. Morman organ > now 206 ranks, Mother Church 237 ranks. Mother Church four manuals, > Mormon organ always five since 1948. The Kimbal Vox, Melos Anthophone > was removed in the recent rebuild. GDH cottened off several pipes of the > Great Mixtures of which there are four, and were reinstated in the = recent > rebuild. How's that?  
(back) Subject: RE: Gravissiama From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:36:59 -0500   With due respect, you can get a resultant 64' from a 32' stop using the = same method. I welcome correction on this, of course, but I learned this from = a reputed builder.   My question is why does a resultant work with flue pipes and not reeds? I saw a picture once of the Town Hall organ, (wasn't that in Melbourne??), = and the 64' CC is HUGE!   Jeff     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of = Josh Edwards Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 11:12 AM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Gravissiama   Mike,   From my understanding of Resultants, it's only a true 32' and not 64'... It's borrowed from the lowest C to the next C on the pedal board. What happens is that a soft 5th from a 32' rank is added to the principal 32' note to give the rumble effect.   For example, if the lowest C is played, you don't get a 64' C, but a 32'C and a 32' G as well.   Understand?   Josh in TN     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Mike Gettelman Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 12:40 PM To: Pipechat Subject: Gravissiama     As I read the the specification list for Skinner Opus 328 in the Cleveland Public Auditorium, I note a 64' Gravissiama in the Pedal that is suffixed with (Resultant). I have read about Resultants, but still do not have a clear understanding of how they work. I think it has to do with sounding several different pipes from certain ranks at the same time to simulate the harmonic structure of a real 64'. I wonder if I'm on the right track? I would appreciate any discussion about the subject rank, and the Resultant definition as well. As a beginner, I can't help but be most fascinated by the pedal pipes because of their sheer size, and the amazing variety of low frequency tone that can be generated by the biggest organ pipes. By the way, I have found myself being swept up with interest and concern for this big untouched 5 man. Skinner. I have begun to make inquiries to the OHS, and intend to gather as much local information as I can to determine what is the current status, and what plans might be in place to insure we do not lose this historic example of Mr. Skinner's Symphonic Organ Work. I think this is a really good project for me at this point, and another concerned advocate for Opus 328 certainly can't hurt. I have had an amazing outpouring of information from list members already, but any more that can be added will be sincerely appreciated.   Cheers Mike       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Cleveland Municipal Auritorium From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:44:01 -0500   I forget now which thread this was mentioned on, but in case anyone is interested this is the stoplist of E. M. Skinner's only five manual organ. It is interesting that it contains so many mixture stops, giving the lie to the idea that Skinner did not know how to design these before his visit to Willis in the 1920's. Skinner had, of course, designed many admirable mixtures while working for Hutchings. We should never, of course, imagine the advertizing progaganda of A. H. Marks had anything to do with reality.   John Speller   GREAT   16' Diapason 16' Bourdon 8' Stentorphone 8' First Diapason 8' Second Diapason 8' Third Diapason 8' Gamba 8' Erzahler 8' Philomela 8' Clarabella 5.1/3' Gross Quinte 4' Harmonic Flute 4' First Octave 4' Second Octave 2.2/3' Twelfth 2' Fifteenth III Rks. Mixture V Rks. Chorus Mixture 16' Ophicleide 8' Tromba 4' Clarion Grand Piano (Mason & Hamlin) Cathedral Chimes (25 bells)   SWELL   16' Dulciana 16' Bourdon 8' Stentorphone 8' First Diapason 8' Second Diapason 8' Gamba 8' Salicional 8' Voix Celeste 8' Viole d' Orchestre 8' Aeoline 8' Unda Maris 8' Flauto Dolce 8' Flute Celeste 8' Clarabella 8' Gedeckt 4' Octave 4' Violina 4' Unda Maris II 4' Flute Harmonique 4' Voix Celeste 2' Flageolette V Rks. Mixture III Rks. Sesquialtera 16' Posaune 16' English Horn 8' Cornopean 8' French Trumpet 8' Tuba 8' Corno d' Amour 8' Vox Humana 4' Tuba Clarion Tremolo   CHOIR:   16' Contra Gamba 8' First Diapason 8' Second Diapason 8' Concert Flute 8' Voix Celeste II 8' Kleine Erzahler II 8' Quintadena 8' Viola 8' Dulcet II 4' Octave 4' Gemshorn 4' Flute 2.2/3' Nazard 1.3/5' Tierce 1.1/7' Septieme 2' Piccolo III Rks. Mixture 16' Fagotto 8' Trumpet 8' Clarinet 8' Orchestral Oboe 4' Clarion Celesta Sub Celesta   SOLO: 16' Contra Salicional 8' Stentorphone 8' Diapason 8' Doppel Floete 8' Gross Gedeckt 8' Gross Gamba 8' Gamba Celeste 8' Harmonic Flute 8' Viola 4' Prestant 4' Gamba Celeste II 4' Hohl Pfeife 2' Piccolo V Rks. Cymbale V Rks. Mixture 16' Ophicleide 8' Bassoon 8' Tuba Mirabilis 8' French Tuba 8' French Horn 8' Corno di Bassetto 8' Tuba 8' Heckelphone 8' Orchestral Oboe 8' Musette 4' Clarion Tremolo   ECHO:   8' Diapason 8' Gamba 8' Gamba Celeste 8' Gedeckt 4' Flute 4' Gamba Celeste II 8' French Horn 8' Tromba 8' Vox Humana 8' Cathedral Chimes Tremolo   STRING ORGAN   6 ranks of high pressure strings in separate swellbox, playable from any manual.   PEDAL   64' Gravissima 32' Diapason 32' Contra Violone 16' First Diapason 16' Second Diapason 16' Violone 16' Gamba (Choir) 16' First Bourdon (Great) 16' Lieblich Gedeckt 16' Echo Bourdon (Swell) 10.2/3' Quinte 8' Octave 8' Principal 8' Gedeckt 8' Echo Gedeckt 8' Still Gedeckt 8' 'Cello 4' Super Octave VII Rks. Mixture 32' First Bombarde 32' Second Bombarde 16' Trombone 16' Ophicleide 16' Posaune 16' Fagotto 8' Tromba 8' Trumpet 4' First Clarion 4' Second Clarion 16' Piano 8' Piano          
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissima From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:53:55 -0700   There IS such a thing as a 32' Reed Cornet Resultant ... it has all kinds = of weird pitches in it, like 16 - 10 2/3 - 8 - 4 4/7 - whatever a Gros None = is - 3 1/5. But it's either done with all FLUE pipes, or the unison pitches are = reed pipes, and the off-unison pitches flue pipes.   Unlike a 32' flue Resultant, though, they DON'T usually work very well, = except in VERY good rooms, AND if the off-unison pitches are INDEPENDENT, rather = than derived from a unison rank, so they can be tuned properly, and play at the correct volumes.   Cheers,   Bud   Jeff White wrote:   > My question is why does a resultant work with flue pipes and not reeds? = I > saw a picture once of the Town Hall organ, (wasn't that in Melbourne??),   Sidney.   > and > the 64' CC is HUGE! > > Jeff >    
(back) Subject: Re: Allegro From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 04:33:21   Bravo John!!! Great Story!!! It was fun to read. Please, send us the story =   about the killer organ, sounds like a great concept.   As for author Jan Karon, mentioned by a list member responding to = "Allegro," she wrote (and is still writing more) a series of books about the = adventures of a parish priest, loosely called the "Mitford Series." When I have time, =   I'll check our voluminous library for the specific titles.   David Carter Sacramento     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp    
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissiama From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 12:33:10 +0800   I agree with David, Ron. You make too many statements on guesswork.   Melbourne Town Hall organ has a 64 resultant derived from the 32' tibia (sorry JHHL but that is true!!). Sydney Town Hall organ has a true 64' in the Contra Trombone. It is, of course, a reed. David is spot on. Bob Elms.   David Scribner wrote: > > At 2:01 PM -0400 8/18/01, RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > >Atlantic City Auditorium may have a real 64' > >and there may be a real one on the Melbourne Town Hall organ. > Ron > > You had better get your facts straight! > The other real 64' is the "Contra-Trombone" in the William Hill and > Son's organ in the SYDNEY Town Hall - not Melbourne. And that is > actually a reed not a Diaphone. > You may think you are a walking encyclopedia but I would suggest that > you get your facts correct before posting something! > David > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Gravissiama From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:55:00 -0500   Melbourne Town Hall organ has a 64 resultant derived from the 32' tibia (sorry JHHL but that is true!!). Sydney Town Hall organ has a true 64' in the Contra Trombone. It is, of course, a reed. David is spot on. Bob Elms.   So, the picture I saw of someone playing there, that huge pipe right over the organist's head, isn't the low C of a 64' stop? Just curious Jeff        
(back) Subject: Re: First Baptist Church in Dallas From: <Pologaptommy@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:06:29 EDT     --part1_e8.1968d981.28b0a355_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   yeah, they are still in the same old building. Very old, and very plain. Nothing really very special aesthetically, and sort of reminds me of a small country church I once visited when I was young... But I think that they have the funds now to build a new church, which is = long overdue. Of course thats just a rumer, but I dont see why they wouldnt have the = money for a new building. Just my thoughts on it.     Josh   --part1_e8.1968d981.28b0a355_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>yeah, they are still in = the same old building. <BR>Very old, and very plain. &nbsp;Nothing really very special = aesthetically, and <BR>sort of reminds me of a small country church I once visited when I was =   <BR>young... <BR>But I think that they have the funds now to build a new church, which = is long <BR>overdue. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>Of course thats just a rumer, but I dont see why they wouldnt have the = money <BR>for a new building. &nbsp; <BR>Just my thoughts on it. <BR> <BR> <BR>Josh</FONT></HTML>   --part1_e8.1968d981.28b0a355_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Gravissiama From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 13:17:55 +0800   No, Jeff. There is no huge pipe right above the player's head in that organ. There is a flat of 7 diapasons. The longest pipes are off to the sides but they don't appear to be very large. The Sydney organ has a 32' metal pipe in the facade. Are you sure it was Melbourne you were looking at? Perhaps Bill Glasson or someone else from Melbourne can put us right on that one. However the 64' is quite definitely derived from the tibia - a wooden rank. Bob Elms.   Jeff White wrote: > So, the picture I saw of someone playing there, that huge pipe right = over the organist's head, isn't the low C of a 64' stop? > Just curious > Jeff > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE: http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Utah Organ In A Barn From: "David Carter" <david_n_carter@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 08:34:46   The milk should be certified organic.           Sorry about the bad joke, it's late and I couldn't resist.   David   >But no one's replied as to the quality of the cows' >milk! >     _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp