PipeChat Digest #2333 - Wednesday, August 22, 2001
 
RE: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours?????
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
RE: Geates-Keissler
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mahopper1999@yahoo.com>
Re: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours?????
  by <TEvans1032@aol.com>
Re: wanted: seeburg or wurlitzer xylophone vacuum action, pipe  pressure 
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Pipe "planting" problems
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
First Baptist Church Dallas
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours?????
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours?????
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours?????
  by <TEvans1032@aol.com>
Re: Geates-Keissler
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
RE: First Baptist Church Dallas
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
RE: Geates-Keissler
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: Allegro - part 8
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Contact Info for Roger Inkpen of Newton Organ Service Co. (xpost)
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours????? From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 06:44:14 -0400   Well, at least one company in Canada can. The following is from a handout = at the RCCO's "Toronto Organ Festival" held this last July.   " Most of all, ABBEY ORGANS can provide the best tuning and maintenance around. Every organ, large or small, is FULL-TUNED at every call. Temperaments are reset in all divisions, and all reeds and flues re-tuned. Emergencies are dealt with promptly. And you will like our prices!"   Obviously, Canadian tuners are made of something different than <some> American tuners.   A. Mead   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:24 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours?????     I find it absurdly impossible to fathom how any mortal can temper and ACCURATELY through-tune a rank of pipes in six minutes. Must be a whiz on mixtures. Reed pipes, six seconds apiece. People are always complaining about how out of tune organs are; = sometimes we are called into a church because people complain that "every time the tuner comes, it just sounds worse." I guess the trick is to just do it as fast as possible... does one need to have one's eyes open?   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: Geates-Keissler From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mahopper1999@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:28:21 -0400   I have experience with one of those five-manual southern beasts. It was installed at Shades Mountain baptist in Birmingham, AL. This church is = one of the two Baptist megachurches in Birmingham.   I played this instrument several times and it was a disaster, both in = design and functionality. The console looked like Darth Vader's Bathroom, with = row upon row of couplers. It was around 120 rks., with four en chamade ranks and two full choruses on the great alone. Most of the reeds in the organ were either poorly voiced or did not play at all. The "Etherial" division was antiphonal & all digital. It could hardly be heard at the front of = the ....er...barn...er...nave...er...whatever they call it. They built it on = a platform that was too small, so the bench would not move back without falling off. I could hardly even get on the bench there was so little space. Most of the indicator lights on the console did not work & the combination action (not peterson or ssl...looked like an in-house design) was almost useless it was so unreliable. In short, this organ was a disaster of an installation, & they ditched a 40-rank 1964 AEolian Skinner to have it installed!   FWIW, Mark   Mark L. Hopper Organist/Music Associate First Baptist Church Henderson, NC (Church) 252-438-3172 (Home) 252-492-6774 mahopper@bigfoot.com     _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com    
(back) Subject: Re: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours????? From: <TEvans1032@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:31:43 EDT     --part1_6.1abe0ad9.28b3e6ef_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/20/01 9:24:40 PM Central Daylight Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:   Some aditional comments I failed to add in my post last night. I may have = an unusual circumstance at my church. For one we keep the temperature = constant with only minor variations in the temperature from services and the weekly =   standby temperature. Which correct me if I'm wrong greatly improves the chances of the organ staying in tune. Also our tuner, is the gentleman = who designed, helped install, and voiced the instrument, and has been taking = care of it for the past 15 years. I don't think someone who has this much interest in an instrument would not do the best job on the tuning. And I = as I said earlier I hold the keys and he doesn't leave until "I" am happy = with it. Also my tuner is an organist as well did his graduate work at = Eastman, he always makes sure its sounds the best it can. The Martin Ott never sounds "worse" when he leaves I can't see any organ sounding that way = unless you have a totally untrained individual messing with it, a well built well =   maintained instrument should never be described that way, after the tuner leaves.   Travis   > I find it absurdly impossible to fathom how any mortal can temper and > ACCURATELY through-tune a rank of pipes in six minutes. Must be a whiz = on > mixtures. Reed pipes, six seconds apiece. People are always complaining =   > about how out of tune organs are; sometimes > we are called into a church because people complain that "every time the =   > tuner comes, it just sounds worse." > I guess the trick is to just do it as fast as possible... does one need = to > have one's eyes open? >       --part1_6.1abe0ad9.28b3e6ef_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/20/01 9:24:40 PM Central Daylight Time, <BR>TubaMagna@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR>Some aditional comments I failed to add in my post last night. &nbsp;I = may have an <BR>unusual circumstance at my church. &nbsp;For one we keep the = temperature constant <BR>with only minor variations in the temperature from services and the = weekly <BR>standby temperature. &nbsp;Which correct me if I'm wrong greatly = improves the <BR>chances of the organ staying in tune. &nbsp;Also our tuner, is the = gentleman who <BR>designed, helped install, and voiced the instrument, and has been = taking care <BR>of it for the past 15 years. &nbsp;I don't think someone who has this = much <BR>interest in an instrument would not do the best job on the tuning. = &nbsp;And I as <BR>I said earlier I hold the keys and he doesn't leave until "I" am happy = with <BR>it. &nbsp;Also my tuner is an organist as well did his graduate work = at Eastman, <BR>he always makes sure its sounds the best it can. &nbsp;&nbsp;The = Martin Ott never <BR>sounds "worse" &nbsp;when he leaves I can't see any organ sounding = that way unless <BR>you have a totally untrained individual messing with it, a well built = well <BR>maintained instrument should never be described that way, after the = tuner <BR>leaves. <BR> <BR>Travis <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">I find it absurdly impossible to fathom how any mortal can temper and =   <BR>ACCURATELY through-tune a rank of pipes in six minutes. &nbsp;Must be = a whiz on <BR>mixtures. &nbsp;Reed pipes, six seconds apiece. People are always = complaining <BR>about how out of tune organs are; &nbsp;&nbsp;sometimes <BR>we are called into a church because people complain that "every time = the <BR>tuner comes, it just &nbsp;sounds worse." &nbsp; <BR>I guess the trick is to just do it as fast as possible... does one need to <BR>have one's eyes open? <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_6.1abe0ad9.28b3e6ef_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: wanted: seeburg or wurlitzer xylophone vacuum action, pipe pressure gaug... From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:52:08 EDT     --part1_a1.1a2443e5.28b423f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/20/2001 12:31:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, homerat@mindspring.com writes:     > We also need a pipe pressure gauge 0-16" wp? Limited budget. > > >   You can either build a "U-tube" water gauge (details posted in other = replies) OR you can get a pressure gauge from OSI (in Erie PA) or go to your local Heating/Air Conditioning supplier and ask for a pressure gauge for the = range you want. They are made by ??? The name MAGNEHELIC is on the label and = they are available in 2 or 3 ranges.   Rick in VA   --part1_a1.1a2443e5.28b423f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/20/2001 12:31:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>homerat@mindspring.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">We also need a = pipe pressure gauge 0-16" wp? Limited budget. <BR> <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>You can either build a "U-tube" water gauge (details posted in other = replies) <BR>OR you can get a pressure gauge from OSI (in Erie PA) or go to your = local <BR>Heating/Air Conditioning supplier and ask for a pressure gauge for the = range <BR>you want. They are made by ??? The name MAGNEHELIC is on the label and = they <BR>are available in 2 or 3 ranges. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a1.1a2443e5.28b423f8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe "planting" problems From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:52:04 EDT     --part1_6b.1950e65d.28b423f4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/19/2001 9:22:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cdkrug@worldnet.att.net writes:     > Question: What're chromatic chests as opposed to (whatever else)? > > Thanx >   Chromatic chests are chests layed-out so that each pitch (C, C#, D, D# = etc) are located side-by-side (mostly staggers to save space and accomodate a = more compact action). so, as you go up the keyboard one note at a time, the pitches progress continually, one half-step at a time.   Other layouts include:   Diatonic - the pipes are layed out in whole steps ( C, D, E, F#, G#, A# = and th pattern repeats up the keyboard to the center of the chest) from the opposite end the pitches start C#, D#, F, G, A, B, (and so on up the keyboard).   Tierce - the pipes are layed out in major thirds going up the keyboard = with repeating patterns in 4 groups: C, E, G# ... C#, F, A ... D, F#, A# ... = and D#, G, B eacho of those three note patterns repeating...the chest layout = in tierce arrangement has certain flexibility in layout of each "group" of = pipes and can be VERY space efficient, especially on "pallet and slider" type chests (whether mechanical or E-P or electric pulldowns are employed.   Hope this helps.   Rick in VA   --part1_6b.1950e65d.28b423f4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/19/2001 9:22:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>cdkrug@worldnet.att.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Question: = &nbsp;What're chromatic chests as opposed to (whatever else)? <BR> <BR>Thanx <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Chromatic chests are chests layed-out so that each pitch (C, C#, D, D# = etc) <BR>are located side-by-side (mostly staggers to save space and accomodate = a more <BR>compact action). so, as you go up the keyboard one note at a time, the =   <BR>pitches progress continually, one half-step at a time. <BR> <BR>Other layouts include: <BR> <BR>Diatonic - the pipes are layed out in whole steps ( C, D, E, F#, G#, = A# and <BR>th pattern repeats up the keyboard to the center of the chest) from = the <BR>opposite end the pitches start C#, D#, F, G, A, B, (and so on up the <BR>keyboard). <BR> <BR>Tierce - the pipes are layed out in major thirds going up the keyboard = with <BR>repeating patterns in 4 groups: &nbsp;C, E, G# ... C#, F, A ... D, F#, = A# ... and <BR>D#, G, B &nbsp;eacho of those three note patterns repeating...the = chest layout in <BR>tierce arrangement has certain flexibility in layout of each "group" = of pipes <BR>and can be VERY space efficient, especially on "pallet and slider" = type <BR>chests (whether mechanical or E-P or electric pulldowns are employed. <BR> <BR>Hope this helps. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6b.1950e65d.28b423f4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: First Baptist Church Dallas From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:10:51 -0400   The thread on this referred to a person who went to prison for certain nefarious activities connected to the sale of organs to Baptist Churches =   in the South. Checking the archives of another list his name is given as Edgar = Morrison. I wonder where one could go to get a transcript of his trial and where it was held?   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours????? From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:09:26 -0500     <TubaMagna@aol.com> wrote:   > I find it absurdly impossible to fathom how any mortal can temper and > ACCURATELY through-tune a rank of pipes in six minutes. Must be a whiz = on > mixtures.   I find it difficult to understand how anyone could do a good job in that time frame too. It does, however, depend a lot on the particular organ. = As one of the crew responsible for restoring the 1931 Steinmeyer at Altoona Cathedral, I was interested to see a note in the organ that the organ had been tuned by Geroge Steinmeyer in 1960. It was only when we came to attempt a tuning ourselves that we realized quite what it entailed. The scales were massive (the Great chorus based on a #40 Diapason), and the chests were closely set, and all the pipes were cone tuned. The mixtures included a lot of doubled ranks. I am not exaggerating (not even a little bit) when I say that it took two men -- a first class experienced tuner = and a key holder -- over 40 hours just to get the Great IV-VI Mixture and V Sharp Mixture into tune -- a total of 80 man-hours for 9 ranks. Only a tuner who has ever had to grapple with pipes drawing on this scale can = begin to understand what we went through!   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours????? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:43:39 EDT     --part1_d3.198e5c0c.28b45a3b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   When I was at First Methodist Gainesville FL, the service company sent two =   people to tune a 3m 38rank organ with FOUR mixtures and three manual reeds =   and one pedal reeds, and gave them three hours to do it. I sent them = home!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_d3.198e5c0c.28b45a3b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>When I was at First = Methodist Gainesville FL, the service company sent two <BR>people to tune a 3m 38rank organ with FOUR mixtures and three manual = reeds <BR>and one pedal reeds, and gave them three hours to do it. &nbsp;&nbsp;I = sent them home! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d3.198e5c0c.28b45a3b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: 18 ranks in less than 2 hours????? From: <TEvans1032@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:45:11 EDT     --part1_124.384e05e.28b45a97_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 8/21/01 7:13:20 PM Central Daylight Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:     The mixture on our organ is a 3 rank mixture, not near the amount of pipes = as the below referenced mixutures have. More pipes obviously means a greater =   expendeture of time. Those 9 ranks of mixtures with doubled ranks would require more time to get into tune.   But as I keep stating, not every note of our 18 ranks needs to be tuned. = A very large percentage of them are do not need to be tuned. I dont' see = the need in taking the time to try and tune a pipe that is already in tune.   If I play a note and do not hear any "beats" we move on, which does not equate to the 6 second per pipe average someone posted.   And let me also add, that every tuning does not come in under 2 hours, = this has just has been an average. The tuning after we had redecorated the sanctuary and the organ had sat for 2 months covered up took longer than 2 =   hours.   Every tuning situation is going to be different, no two organs will be the =   same, even those of exact specifications, due to the different = environments.   If 15 years to my knowledge there has been nothing done to this organ = besides tuning and one tracker adjustment after I got there. The way I see it, a well built instrument should not need larges amounts of work to keep it in =   top playing condition.   Travis   > I find it difficult to understand how anyone could do a good job in that > time frame too. It does, however, depend a lot on the particular organ. = As > one of the crew responsible for restoring the 1931 Steinmeyer at Altoona > Cathedral, I was interested to see a note in the organ that the organ = had > been tuned by Geroge Steinmeyer in 1960. It was only when we came to > attempt a tuning ourselves that we realized quite what it entailed. = The > scales were massive (the Great chorus based on a #40 Diapason), and the > chests were closely set, and all the pipes were cone tuned. The = mixtures > included a lot of doubled ranks. I am not exaggerating (not even a = little > bit) when I say that it took two men -- a first class experienced tuner = and > a key holder -- over 40 hours just to get the Great IV-VI Mixture and V > Sharp Mixture into tune -- a total of 80 man-hours for 9 ranks. Only a > tuner who has ever had to grapple with pipes drawing on this scale can = begin >       --part1_124.384e05e.28b45a97_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 8/21/01 7:13:20 PM Central Daylight Time, <BR>jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR>The mixture on our organ is a 3 rank mixture, not near the amount of = pipes as <BR>the below referenced mixutures have. &nbsp;More pipes obviously means = a greater <BR>expendeture of time. &nbsp;Those 9 ranks of mixtures with doubled = ranks would <BR>require more time to get into tune. <BR> <BR>But as I keep stating, not every note of our 18 ranks needs to be = tuned. &nbsp;A <BR>very large percentage of them are do not need to be tuned. &nbsp;I = dont' see the <BR>need in taking the time to try and tune a pipe that is already in = tune. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>If I play a note and do not hear any "beats" we move on, which does = not <BR>equate to the 6 second per pipe average someone posted. <BR> <BR>And let me also add, that every tuning does not come in under 2 hours, = this <BR>has just has been an average. &nbsp;The tuning after we had = redecorated the <BR>sanctuary and the organ had sat for 2 months covered up took longer = than 2 <BR>hours. <BR> <BR>Every tuning situation is going to be different, no two organs will be = the <BR>same, even those of exact specifications, due to the different = environments. <BR> <BR>If 15 years to my knowledge there has been nothing done to this organ = besides <BR>tuning and one tracker adjustment after I got there. &nbsp;The way I see it, a <BR>well built instrument should not need larges amounts of work to keep = it in <BR>top playing condition. <BR> <BR>Travis <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I find it = difficult to understand how anyone could do a good job in that <BR>time frame too. &nbsp;It does, however, depend a lot on the particular = organ. &nbsp;As <BR>one of the crew responsible for restoring the 1931 Steinmeyer at = Altoona <BR>Cathedral, I was interested to see a note in the organ that the organ = had <BR>been tuned by Geroge Steinmeyer in 1960. &nbsp;It was only when we = came to <BR>attempt a tuning ourselves that we realized quite what it entailed. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The <BR>scales were massive (the Great chorus based on a #40 Diapason), and = the <BR>chests were closely set, and all the pipes were cone tuned. &nbsp;The = mixtures <BR>included a lot of doubled ranks. &nbsp;I am not exaggerating (not even = a little <BR>bit) when I say that it took two men -- a first class experienced = tuner and <BR>a key holder -- over 40 hours just to get the Great IV-VI Mixture and = V <BR>Sharp Mixture into tune -- a total of 80 man-hours for 9 ranks. = &nbsp;Only a <BR>tuner who has ever had to grapple with pipes drawing on this scale can = begin <BR>to understand what we went through!</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_124.384e05e.28b45a97_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Geates-Keissler From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:27:44 -0700 (PDT)   I do not know what happened to Keates-Geisler assuning they no longer exist. They have a very richly deserved bad reputation around here, because of lousy organs.   At the First Babpist Church in Jackson, Mississippi, there is a two-manual Keates-Geisler in the chapel which has been nothing but trouble. When they got a new organ for their new stadium, who did they get to build it? Why, Keates-Geisler, of course! They also were going to get two additional organs from Keates- Geisler - one for the choir room and one for the fellowship hall. I suggested that they get two more - one for the men's room and one for the ladies' room. Then they would have the only church in the world with pipe organs in the bathrooms. When they finished playing them, they wouldn't have to turn them off, just flush them! I used to grieve when I heard of a church getting screwed, but after it's done, I think they really enjoy it.   D. Keith Morgan       --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > Dear List Members: > > Rumors are rampant in the organ business. If there > is no bad news to be > heard, somebody will make it up. Small > misunderstandings will turn into > bitter vendettas aimed at destroying a builder's > reputation. > > HOWEVER, the Canadian firm in question has been the > subject of rumors for > years and years and year. Constant, unending horror > stories of legal > problems, defaulted projects, etc., etc., etc. This > might be the time for > somebody who REALLY knows what happened to them (the > builders themselves?) to > come forward and give us the truth, so we can all > stop speculating, and start > respecting their name, their firm, and their work. > If they are good and > honorable, we should know it and admire it. > > To date, amid the rumors which surface from time to > time on this list, other > lists, at conventions, and at recitals, nobody has > EVER offered a clear > picture of who owns the firm, what ever became of > the ten or twenty V-manaul, > 476-rank organs they put in Baptists churches all > over the south, who plays > these organs, or if they are available on recording. > What are their smaller > instruments like? It is also odd that nobody has > come to their defense with a > coherent and logical story, with a beginning, > middle, and end (or for that > matter, present status). > > None of us like rumors, and they are VERY difficult > to deal with. We have > all had horrible things said about us as people, as > artists, and as > practitioners, and know how difficult it is to > defend ourselves, even when we > are in the right. There are two sides to every > story, but as far as the firm > in question is concerned, I have never heard THEIR > side of the story. > Anybody out there? > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: First Baptist Church Dallas From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:41:47 -0400     Edgar Morrison is the man involved. I understand he was prosecuted in the US, but because his crimes were white collar in nature, I do not think he spent much time in prison.   I'd be very surprised if he is still alive.     The thread on this referred to a person who went to prison for certain nefarious activities connected to the sale of organs to Baptist Churches in the South. Checking the archives of another list his name is given as Edgar = Morrison. I wonder where one could go to get a transcript of his trial and where it was held?   HD          
(back) Subject: RE: Geates-Keissler From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:52:37 -0400       -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of douglas morgan Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 9:28 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Geates-Keissler     I do not know what happened to Keates-Geisler assuning they no longer exist. They have a very richly deserved bad reputation around here, because of lousy organs.   They're still in business and they have a website:   www.sentex.net/~jgeisler/index.html      
(back) Subject: Re: Allegro - part 8 From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:48:24 -0400   Dear John,   Thanks for sharing your writing with us. I enjoyed "Allegro" very much. Let's hear about the killer orgel, even though it will not do our image any good ;-)   Cheers to all,   Pat Maimone patmai@juno.com Post Chapel III/57 hybrid West Point, NY, who played a funeral at the Old Cadet Chapel Monday on a rather early version of a mighty Hammond .. only two different drawknob combinations, short upper and lower keyboards, and 12 short pedals. The one I played in Teaneck, NJ, High School's auditorium had 4 different drawknob combinations plus the preset black and white octaves, along with 25 much longer pedals. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Contact Info for Roger Inkpen of Newton Organ Service Co. (xpost) From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:49:08 EDT     --part1_13f.22a9e3.28b493c4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Does anyone have the mailing address and phone for Roger Inkpen of Newton Organ Service? I believe he is based out of San Jose, CA. Any and all assistance will be greatly appreciated.   Thanks.   Scott Foppiano   --part1_13f.22a9e3.28b493c4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D2>Does = anyone have the mailing address and phone for Roger Inkpen of Newton <BR>Organ Service? &nbsp;I believe he is based out of San Jose, CA. = &nbsp;Any and all <BR>assistance will be greatly appreciated. <BR> <BR>Thanks. <BR> <BR>Scott Foppiano</FONT></HTML>   --part1_13f.22a9e3.28b493c4_boundary--