PipeChat Digest #2534 - Tuesday, December 4, 2001
 
Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday?
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: christmas eve - how would you like this?
  by <Bobmac36@aol.com>
(No Subject)
  by "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com>
Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: (No Subject)
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday? From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:00:40 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_1029_01C17C56.B5C3E330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear List,   My situation, regarding postludes, is possibly a bit unusual. A few =3D years before I got there, the not wealthy parish stretched itself =3D financially and contracted for a 1916 Hook & Hastings tracker, found and = =3D restored by Patrick Murphy. It cost them a bit over $50,000 installed, =3D and they were very proud of themselves then, and continue to feel that =3D great pride in and love for the instrument. (It followed a really =3D unpleasant Conn!) Right from the start, no one ever moved a muscle =3D during the postlude, and that remains the case to this day. "We paid for = =3D the dang thing, and we are going to listen to every note!" (I made that = =3D up!) For an "audience" like that, I make sure I am ready.   The architect of the church, built about 45 years ago, is Gordon =3D Johnson, who happens to be an organist and member of our local AGO =3D chapter. A look at our funky and fun parish website will show you how =3D effective is the place he designed for the organ he hoped the parish =3D would have in the future. The instrument as it now is looks for all the = =3D world like it has always been there. Check it out at =3D20 < http://home.earthlink.net/~trinity06903/ >=3D20   I know, however, what it is like in other places, having been there, and = =3D I know how frustrating it is that people walk and talk through some =3D gorgeous bits of the Organ repertoire. That's life. That's the world, =3D and it is not too likely to change. And I also understand fully Bruce's = =3D feeling that, however imperfect the response, there is something about =3D leaving church, as he says, "to the Organ pealing in the background." =3D And, in truth, even if it seems that the whole world is indifferent to =3D your well-rehearsed postlude, there is always somebody out there =3D listening to it, perhaps a few somebodys, and you really don't know =3D where that can lead, for you or for them. I simply love to play, and my = =3D skin is thick enough to put out of mind whatever level of raucous noise = =3D there might be.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler   =3D20 ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday?     In a message dated 12/3/01 7:20:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, =3D rkinner@one.net writes:=3D20       Our church eliminated the postlude some years ago. So few stayed to = =3D   listen that it wasn't worth the organist's time to prepare one.=3D20       I think this is a really sad solution. One of the most exciting =3D things I remember from my childhood was LEAVING church with the organ =3D pealing in the background. It drew me back in again and contributed to = =3D me intense love for the pipe organ, and even more importantly, to my =3D love of worship. Leaving church and hearing the organ in the =3D background somehow lets me take more of worship with me when I leave the = =3D building. =3D20   I think it's very sad when organists make such a big deal out of =3D something so trivial.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_1029_01C17C56.B5C3E330 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#c8e0d8> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear List,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>My situation, regarding postludes, is = =3D possibly a=3D20 bit unusual. A few years before I got there, the not wealthy parish =3D stretched=3D20 itself financially and&nbsp;contracted for&nbsp;a 1916 Hook &amp; =3D Hastings=3D20 tracker, found and restored by Patrick Murphy. It cost them a bit over =3D $50,000=3D20 installed, and they were very proud of themselves then, and continue to = =3D feel=3D20 that great pride in and love for the instrument. (It followed a = really=3D20 unpleasant Conn!) Right from the start, no one ever moved a muscle =3D during the=3D20 postlude, and that remains the case to this day.&nbsp;"We paid for the =3D dang=3D20 thing, and we are going to listen to every note!" (I made that up!) For = =3D an=3D20 "audience" like that, I make sure I am ready.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The architect of the church, built = =3D about 45 years=3D20 ago, is Gordon Johnson, who happens to be an organist and member of our = =3D local=3D20 AGO chapter. A look at&nbsp;our funky and fun&nbsp;parish website will =3D show you=3D20 how effective is the place he designed for the organ he hoped the parish = =3D would=3D20 have in the future. The instrument as it now is looks for all the world = =3D like it=3D20 has always been there. Check it out at&nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&lt;&nbsp; <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://home.earthlink.net/~trinity06903/">http://home.earthlink.n= =3D et/~trinity06903/</A>=3D20 &gt; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I know, however, what it is like in = =3D other places,=3D20 having been there, and I know how frustrating it is that =3D people&nbsp;walk and=3D20 talk through some gorgeous bits of the Organ repertoire. That's life. =3D That's the=3D20 world, and it is not too likely to change. And I also =3D understand&nbsp;fully=3D20 Bruce's feeling that, however imperfect the response, there is something = =3D about=3D20 leaving church, as he says, "to the Organ pealing in the background." =3D And, in=3D20 truth, even if it seems that the whole world is indifferent to your=3D20 well-rehearsed postlude, there is always somebody out there listening to = =3D it,=3D20 perhaps a few somebodys, and you really don't know where that can lead, = =3D for you=3D20 or for them. I simply love to play, and my skin is thick enough to put =3D out of=3D20 mind whatever level of raucous noise there might be.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 03, 2001 = =3D 9:48=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Anyone listen to = =3D the=3D20 postlude Sunday?</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a =3D message dated=3D20 12/3/01 7:20:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:rkinner@one.net">rkinner@one.net</A> writes: =3D <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Our church eliminated the postlude some years ago. =3D &nbsp;So few=3D20 stayed to <BR>listen that it wasn't worth the organist's time to =3D prepare=3D20 one. <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = size=3D3D3 =3D   FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>I think this is = a =3D really sad=3D20 solution. &nbsp;&nbsp;One of the most exciting things I remember from =3D my=3D20 childhood was LEAVING church with the organ pealing in the background. = =3D   &nbsp;It drew me back in again and contributed to me intense love for = =3D the pipe=3D20 organ, and even more importantly, to my love of worship. =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;Leaving=3D20 church and hearing the organ in the background somehow lets me take =3D more of=3D20 worship with me when I leave the building. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR>I =3D think it's=3D20 very sad when organists make such a big deal out of something so=3D20 trivial.</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_1029_01C17C56.B5C3E330--      
(back) Subject: Re: christmas eve - how would you like this? From: <Bobmac36@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 00:13:31 EST   Yeah! :You can't beat slush! I got my ideas from watching Swannola and I =   suppose he got them from watching Virgil, Harold Friedell, Clarence Dickinson, etc. I use the same application for O Little Town - It Came = Upon the Midnight Clear (the third note is a C -- not the "new" A we find these =   days!!)  
(back) Subject: (No Subject) From: "Mandy Glass" <amadpoet@lycos.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 23:22:39 -0600   Hi all (again)   The last two nights I have attended college performances of Handel's = Messiah, and was perplexed when the audience stood up during the = Hallelujah Chorus. I've never seen people do this before; is there a = reason, or were they just ready to get out of the auditorium?   Curious in Texas (hee hee)      
(back) Subject: Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:01:18 EST   Hi Mandy   That tradition was started in England, by I believe King George. I can't remember whether it was I II or III. He was so swept up by it's beauty, and power that He stood. Well You know what happens when kings stand. Everyone out of respect did likewise. Whether people are aware of it or not, that's what started the tradition.   The Messiah Oratorio was originally written in 27 days by Handel to present in concert for the benefit of a foundling hospital in Ireland. There are in excess of five different versions or revisions where parts were rewritten for different voices, and different compliments of orchestral players. There is quite a history behind this single work. He was buried in Westminster Abbey because he requested it. He was held in such high esteem that the request was granted by the Monarch. Handel was an anglicized German, and the king was of German extraction also. His tomb stone in the Abbey is a few days off from that reported in Music History books. There was a major revision of the calendars of the world during the early 1800's which moved every thing up 10 or 12 days. Reason: Backward precession of the Seasons. Each year we lose 4hr. 57min. approximately so a leap year was added, and the adjustment made by adding the days. That's how February got the 29th day every four years. Every 400 years February gets 28 days in a leap century to keep things straight. I just threw that in for a bit of trivia and fun stuff. If I goofed here = or there, I'm sure I'll hear about it. :) I can hear the almanac's creaking as I = speak. That's a good thing!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:03:21 EST     --part1_6d.1e7bd2e7.293dc129_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       > He was so swept up > by it's beauty, and power that He stood.   I've always heard that he stood up because he had to leave to use the "facitilities"...   Oh well, in any case, you know what happens when the King stands (grin)   Neil   --part1_6d.1e7bd2e7.293dc129_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">He was so swept up =   <BR>by it's beauty, and power that He stood.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I've always heard that he stood up because he had to leave to use the = "facitilities"... <BR> <BR>Oh well, in any case, you know what happens when the King stands = (grin) <BR> <BR>Neil</FONT></HTML>   --part1_6d.1e7bd2e7.293dc129_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 01:48:55 EST     --part1_3d.157abff8.293dcbd7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Very nice webpage. Handsome organ -- specs please??? ;-) I'd go nutz =   trying to worship in the "round." I guess it's symbolic.... someone is always being ignored and getting the butt-view!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_3d.157abff8.293dcbd7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Very nice webpage. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Handsome organ -- specs please??? &nbsp;;-) = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I'd go nutz trying to worship in the "round." = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I guess it's symbolic.... someone is always being = ignored and getting the butt-view!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3d.157abff8.293dcbd7_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 02:16:44 EST     --part1_8f.136001a4.293dd25c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/01 1:03:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > I've always heard that he stood up because he had to leave to use the > "facitilities"... >   That's what I heard, too. In fact, if the Halleluia chorus wasn't so loud =   the tradition would be for everyone to stand and say, "I gotta pee." ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_8f.136001a4.293dd25c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/01 1:03:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've always heard = that he stood up because he had to leave to use the "facitilities"... <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>That's what I heard, too. &nbsp;In fact, if the Halleluia chorus = wasn't so loud the tradition would be for everyone to stand and say, "I = gotta pee." &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8f.136001a4.293dd25c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: (No Subject) From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:27:10 +1300   Mandy, Answer to your question. That is an ancient custom, derived from the fact that when the King of England attended one of the first performances of "Messiah", he was so moved by the Hallelujah Chorus that he stood up. As = no one can sit while the King stands, the audience had to rise also. And so = the custom spread. In New Zealand just the same, though one or two conductors recently, = usually young ones, have specifically commanded the audience not to stand, usually to the audience's annoyance as we often feel we WANT to stand, whatever = the origin of the custom, like a standing ovation without the ovation, not = just at the music but at the whole glorious concept of the Chorus itself. Regards, Ross Wards (in New Zealand) -----Original Message----- From: Mandy Glass <amadpoet@lycos.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: (No Subject)     >Hi all (again) > >The last two nights I have attended college performances of Handel's Messiah, and was perplexed when the audience stood up during the = Hallelujah Chorus. I've never seen people do this before; is there a reason, or were they just ready to get out of the auditorium? > >Curious in Texas >(hee hee) > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >