PipeChat Digest #2536 - Tuesday, December 4, 2001
 
Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The Postlude and The Clap
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Retirement: it was great while it lasted
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Listening to Postludes.
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: playing postludes - here's my solution
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Retirement:  it was great while it lasted
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: The Postlude and The Clap
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: playing postludes - here's my solution
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Retirement:  it was great while it lasted
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Retirement:  it was great while it lasted
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Retirement:  it was great while it lasted
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:22:37 EST     --part1_16e.5128816.293ec2cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/01 10:17:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, = mcronin@iag.net writes:     > Yesterday, at the Worthington, Ohio, United Methodist Church, William = Haller >   I had a friend who had been "instructed" to play the Widor Toccata at the conclusion of ever festival service in his parish. When asked about this = he said he always got the last laugh. In the twenty-something years he had = been there, he said he had NEVER played the final chord, just in "mild" = protest. ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_16e.5128816.293ec2cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/01 10:17:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, mcronin@iag.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">Yesterday, at the Worthington, Ohio, United Methodist Church, William = Haller played Widor's Toccata as the postlude. </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I had a friend who had been "instructed" to play the Widor Toccata at = the conclusion of ever festival service in his parish. &nbsp;&nbsp;When = asked about this he said he always got the last laugh. &nbsp;In the = twenty-something years he had been there, he said he had NEVER played the = final chord, just in "mild" protest. <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16e.5128816.293ec2cd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:26:33 EST     --part1_170.5128918.293ec3b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/01 10:45:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes:     > The King reportedly did not rise until "King of Kings, > Lord of Lords" was pronounced in Handel's composition. I am not sure > exactly > how my professor knew this for a certainty   Perhaps he wanted to stand for the whole thing, but got his "ermine" = caught in the seat and wasn't able to get untangled until "King of Kings" .... = ;-)   (i luv hist'ry!!!) ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_170.5128918.293ec3b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/01 10:45:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The King = reportedly did not rise until "King of Kings, <BR>Lord of Lords" was pronounced in Handel's composition. &nbsp;I am not = sure exactly <BR>how my professor knew this for a certainty</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Perhaps he wanted to stand for the whole thing, but got his "ermine" = caught in the seat and wasn't able to get untangled until "King of Kings" = .... &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>(i luv hist'ry!!!) &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_170.5128918.293ec3b9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Postlude and The Clap From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:35:17 EST   In a message dated 12/4/2001 6:44:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, ScottFop@aol.com writes:   << > About half of our congregation stays, and renders applause afterwards. =   > >> Yeah, and on the Hour of Power everyone and everything gets a standing ovation. Applauding for the postlude (and anything else in the service) = seems to reflect a notion that it is a "performance" rather than part of a = worship service, even if you do play something big and loud and trashy at the end. =   I'd rather they'd shut up and listen to the prelude and not applaud = anything. To my demented old mind it just cheapens things. Can you imagine an = ovation for a nicely read lesson or a well-sung Sanctus or a particularly fine sermon? (At least in a "normal" church?)   Here endeth the rant. Waiter, I'll have another martini . . .   DudelK Washington, DC  
(back) Subject: Re: Retirement: it was great while it lasted From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:43:29 EST     --part1_5f.1ee47423.293ec7b1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/01 11:15:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes:     > To quote Gene Autry, I'm back in the saddle again.   Congratulations?? I hope this return to the saddle does not result in = the usual "sores." I have always wanted to worship in a wonderful place on =   high festivals. It's now a possibility. I can't wait to load mom and the =   doggies into an RV and go find a wonderful festival venue!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_5f.1ee47423.293ec7b1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/01 11:15:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">To quote Gene = Autry, I'm back in the saddle again. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Congratulations?? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I hope this return to the saddle = does not result in the usual "sores." &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have = always wanted to worship in a wonderful place on high festivals. = &nbsp;It's now a possibility. &nbsp;I can't wait to load mom and the = doggies into an RV and go find a wonderful festival venue!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_5f.1ee47423.293ec7b1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:58:28 EST     --part1_140.5c2273c.293ecb34_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/01 5:42:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes:     > I was actually asked to stop in the middle of my short postlude, as a = deacon > had decided to call an impromptu meeting. He came up and thumped me on = the > shoulder to get my attention. >   I had a very delicate friend who played in a church where this type of = thing happened alot. One Sunday she had just begun her prelude when an usher = came up behind her and tapped her on the shoulder. Being VERY quick of mind, = she simply threw up her hands and screamed at the top of her lungs, knocking = the music from the rack. Needless to say, he never did THAT again!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_140.5c2273c.293ecb34_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/01 5:42:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I was actually = asked to stop in the middle of my short postlude, as a deacon <BR>had decided to call an impromptu meeting. &nbsp;He came up and thumped = me on the <BR>shoulder to get my attention. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I had a very delicate friend who played in a church where this type of = thing happened alot. &nbsp;One Sunday she had just begun her prelude when = an usher came up behind her and tapped her on the shoulder. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Being VERY quick of mind, she simply threw up her hands and = screamed at the top of her lungs, knocking the music from the rack. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Needless to say, he never did THAT again!!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_140.5c2273c.293ecb34_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Listening to Postludes. From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:05:47 EST     --part1_f.1efcc85f.293ecceb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/2001 6:06:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevans1@rochester.rr.com writes:       > Many times the congregation has given a standing ovation after a > particularly difficult postlude before leaving the sanctuary. Our = organists > have been fine musicians and have been appreciated and supported by the > pastors, staff and parishioners. > > Isn't every church like this? > >       NO!!!   Rick in VA   --part1_f.1efcc85f.293ecceb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/2001 6:06:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevans1@rochester.rr.com = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Many times the = congregation has given a standing ovation after a <BR>particularly difficult postlude before leaving the sanctuary. = &nbsp;Our organists <BR>have been fine musicians and have been appreciated and supported by = the <BR>pastors, staff and parishioners. <BR> <BR>Isn't every church like this? <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>NO!!! <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f.1efcc85f.293ecceb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: playing postludes - here's my solution From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:07:10 EST     --part1_2b.1f648c67.293ecd3e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > Actually, I enjoy improvisations in worship more than literature. > I've often looked at improvisation in worship (and particularly when I do them) as "my worship" -- here's what I mean: I am responding to what's = going on inside me (I hope it's the leadership of the Spirit). I also hope that =   the person in the pew grows to consider that my playing is my act of = worship, and not intended to be a show.   Neil Brown     --part1_2b.1f648c67.293ecd3e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Actually, I enjoy = improvisations in worship more than literature. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I've often looked at improvisation in worship = (and particularly when I do them) as "my worship" -- here's what I mean: = &nbsp;I am responding to what's going on inside me (I hope it's the = leadership of the Spirit). &nbsp;I also hope that the person in the pew = grows to consider that my playing is my act of worship, and not intended = to be a show. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_2b.1f648c67.293ecd3e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:09:07 EST     --part1_112.8ccc2ee.293ecdb3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       > I am not sure exactly >   No disrespect intended, and I certainly don't know the prof's age, but perhaps he was one of the few to have actually been in the audience at = that time?   I've had professors that I'm certain were alive during Bach's time (grin).   Neil B (ducking quickly)   --part1_112.8ccc2ee.293ecdb3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">I am not sure exactly <BR>how my professor knew this for a certainty</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>No disrespect intended, and I certainly don't know the prof's age, but = perhaps he was one of the few to have actually been in the audience at = that time? &nbsp; <BR> <BR>I've had professors that I'm certain were alive during Bach's time = (grin). <BR> <BR>Neil B (ducking quickly)</FONT></HTML>   --part1_112.8ccc2ee.293ecdb3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Retirement: it was great while it lasted From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:14:18 EST     --part1_120.83ccdc6.293eceea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/01 7:05:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:     > This may not be a bad thing! If they are all parading around in the = latest > of designer walkers and wheel chairs, It may be a boon to the funeral > business.   Not to mention the endowments that may follow. I remember being allowed = to sit at the console with a rather feisty organist on Christmas Eve. It was = a very wealthy and olde money Episcopal church. Every time there was a = loud, raspy cough, the organist would turn to me and say something like, "ah! there's my new trumpet!!"   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_120.83ccdc6.293eceea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/01 7:05:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This may not be a = bad thing! If they are all parading around in the latest <BR>of designer walkers and wheel chairs, It may be a boon to the funeral <BR>business. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Not to mention the endowments that may follow. &nbsp;&nbsp;I remember = being allowed to sit at the console with a rather feisty organist on = Christmas Eve. &nbsp;It was a very wealthy and olde money Episcopal = church. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Every time there was a loud, raspy cough, the = organist would turn to me and say something like, "ah! &nbsp;there's my = new trumpet!!" <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_120.83ccdc6.293eceea_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: The Postlude and The Clap From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:15:08 EST     --part1_176.31afc3.293ecf1c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     > a particularly fine sermon?   I've witnessed clapping during and after sermons. And when it has = occurred, it seemed neither cheap nor inappropriate. When it has occurred, it = seemed like an act of worship, not of the preacher, but of the Lord.   I'm not particularly offended by clapping (perhaps that's the performer in = me sneaking out). I don't think it's right to tie the hands of the congregation in this day and age. However, flippant, perfunctory = clapping is merely that.   If it is an authentic, yeah even reflexive, response, I have no problem = with it (by reflexive, I mean it seems a natural expression of worship at that time). If it is expected or even manipulated by the performer, preacher, = or whoever, then that's not appropriate.   Neil Brown   --part1_176.31afc3.293ecf1c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">a particularly = fine sermon? </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I've witnessed clapping during and after sermons. &nbsp;And when it = has occurred, it seemed neither cheap nor inappropriate. &nbsp;When it has = occurred, it seemed like an act of worship, not of the preacher, but of = the Lord. <BR> <BR>I'm not particularly offended by clapping (perhaps that's the = performer in me sneaking out). &nbsp;&nbsp;I don't think it's right to tie = the hands of the congregation in this day and age. &nbsp;However, = &nbsp;flippant, perfunctory clapping is merely that. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>If it is an authentic, yeah even reflexive, response, I have no = problem with it (by reflexive, I mean it seems a natural expression of = worship at that time). &nbsp;If it is expected or even manipulated by the = performer, preacher, or whoever, then that's not appropriate. <BR> <BR>Neil Brown</FONT></HTML>   --part1_176.31afc3.293ecf1c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: playing postludes - here's my solution From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:27:50 EST     --part1_bf.180b4835.293ed216_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/01 8:08:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > I've often looked at improvisation in worship (and particularly when I = do > them) as "my worship" -- here's what I mean: I am responding to what's > going on inside me (I hope it's the leadership of the Spirit).   When we are "responding" to what's going on inside --- the promptings of = the Spirit -- I think improvisation is very powerful to the player and the listener (assuming the player is also listening!!). It's when the player begins to be prompted by ego that I think the Spirit departs.... and it usually shows!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_bf.180b4835.293ed216_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/01 8:08:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've often looked = at improvisation in worship (and particularly when I do them) as "my = worship" -- here's what I mean: &nbsp;I am responding to what's going on = inside me (I hope it's the leadership of the Spirit). &nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>When we are "responding" to what's going on inside --- the promptings = of the Spirit -- I think improvisation is very powerful to the player and = the listener (assuming the player is also listening!!). &nbsp;It's when = the player begins to be prompted by ego that I think the Spirit = departs.... and it usually shows!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bf.180b4835.293ed216_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Retirement: it was great while it lasted From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:31:16 EST   Ron Severin writes:   >Let's see, by next year >it could conceivably be one congregation, the minister is much younger, >and four or five funerals a week should take very good care of things. >At $150.00 a pop you'll be a rich man, and can retire in style at the >end of next year. <<   Ron, your shameless mercenary :-)))   Since you paint it in that light, I'm looking forward to the challenge. Hopefully I'll not be among the horizontal at year's end.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:31:33 EST     --part1_ad.1472eee2.293ed2f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/4/01 8:09:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:     > I've had professors that I'm certain were alive during Bach's time = (grin). > >   One of the funnies that Dr. Jones at U Houston used to do was to preface a =   performance remark with something like, "Well, last night when I was = having tea with Cesar Franck... he said .... "   The other funny was the result of his being a Christian Scientist. When arriving at a lesson unprepared or in pain, a student might say, "Dr. = Jones, I don't feel well. Can we reschedule my lesson?" He would reach in = his coat pocket, withdraw a printed pamphlet and say, "No, sit down. here's = some literature!"   I learned so much from him!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_ad.1472eee2.293ed2f5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/4/01 8:09:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've had = professors that I'm certain were alive during Bach's time (grin). <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>One of the funnies that Dr. Jones at U Houston used to do was to = preface a performance remark with something like, "Well, last night when I = was having tea with Cesar Franck... &nbsp;he said .... " <BR> <BR>The other funny was the result of his being a Christian Scientist. = &nbsp;&nbsp;When arriving at a lesson unprepared or &nbsp;in pain, a = student might say, "Dr. Jones, I don't feel well. &nbsp;Can we reschedule = my lesson?" &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;He would reach in his coat = pocket, withdraw a printed pamphlet and say, "No, sit down. &nbsp;here's = some literature!" <BR> <BR>I learned so much from him!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ad.1472eee2.293ed2f5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Retirement: it was great while it lasted From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:43:03 EST   Cremona writes:   >Congratulations?? I hope this return to the saddle does not result in = the >usual "sores." <<   Not likely, Bruce, as after forty-four years its mostly callous and scar tissue by now. Even should the worst occur, it cannot possibly compare = with getting one's <ermine> caught in the seat. Yes, I know it is a fur but = still good for a great laugh if one is a visionary. :->   Best wishes, Jim Pitts Proud owner of a Boxer  
(back) Subject: Re: Retirement: it was great while it lasted From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:49:00 EST   Dear Jim   You are likely to survive for a very long time. Now remember don't put the extra cash in the bank so the Liberalis in Congress and Senate can't use it as a windfall tax. Mattresses are a good thing! The other is to finance second mortgages at a higher interest rate. :) We need to think ahead to our very needful years and cruises with wild older women. Retirement is good, making money is even better.   Remember, the King stood during the Halleluia Chorus of Handel, and to this day nobody can pin point the reason for darn sure. but he stood during KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. One day we all shall!   Ron Severin