PipeChat Digest #2537 - Wednesday, December 5, 2001
 
Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands
  by <OrganNYC@aol.com>
Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday?
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Retirement: it was great while it lasted
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
postludes
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: postludes seque retiring
  by <OrganNYC@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands From: <OrganNYC@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:47:44 EST     --part1_d3.2d3325a.293ee4d0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   You may be interested to learn of the www.gfhandel.org website. There is = a page for FAQ as well as one for "Messiah." In FAQ, there is a link to another site which has extensive ideas on whether or not to stand for the Halleluia Chorus: <A = HREF=3D"http://www.festival-singers.org.nz/haleluia.htm">http://www.festiva= l-singers.org.nz/haleluia.htm</A>   I'll be curious to see whether our folk stand when we present the = Christmas portion of Messiah (plus the HC) this Thursday at 7 pm.   Steve Lawson Church of the Heavenly Rest - NYC   --part1_d3.2d3325a.293ee4d0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#030025" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Verdana" LANG=3D"0">You may be interested to = learn of the www.gfhandel.org website. &nbsp;There is a page for FAQ as = well as one for "Messiah." &nbsp;In FAQ, there is a link to another site = which has extensive ideas on whether or not to stand for the Halleluia = Chorus: <A = HREF=3D"http://www.festival-singers.org.nz/haleluia.htm">http://www.festiva= l-singers.org.nz/haleluia.htm</A></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#030025" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Verdana" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR>I'll be curious to see whether our folk stand when we present the = Christmas portion of Messiah (plus the HC) this Thursday at 7 pm. <BR> <BR>Steve Lawson <BR>Church of the Heavenly Rest - NYC</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d3.2d3325a.293ee4d0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Hallelujah, His Majesty Stands From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:58:21 -0600     --------------A68B4034240CF595619FF1F8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   OrganNYC@aol.com wrote:   > You may be interested to learn of the > www.gfhandel.org website. There is a page for > FAQ as well as one for "Messiah." In FAQ, there > is a link to another site which has extensive > ideas on whether or not to stand for the > Halleluia Chorus: > http://www.festival-singers.org.nz/haleluia.htm > > I'll be curious to see whether our folk stand > when we present the Christmas portion of Messiah > (plus the HC) this Thursday at 7 pm. >   By the way. the Festival Performance in Westminster Abbey at which Haydn is said to have stood AND cried, was 1784. Perhaps we should all stand and cry too.   John Speller   --------------A68B4034240CF595619FF1F8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> OrganNYC@aol.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><FONT = COLOR=3D"#030025"><FONT SIZE=3D-1>You may be interested to learn of the www.gfhandel.org website.&nbsp; There is a page for FAQ as well as one for "Messiah."&nbsp; In FAQ, there is a link to another site which has extensive ideas on whether or not to = stand for the Halleluia Chorus: <A = HREF=3D"http://www.festival-singers.org.nz/haleluia.htm">http://www.festiva= l-singers.org.nz/haleluia.htm</A></FONT></FONT></FONT> <P><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana"><FONT COLOR=3D"#030025"><FONT SIZE=3D-1>I'll be = curious to see whether our folk stand when we present the Christmas portion of Messiah (plus the HC) this Thursday at 7 pm.</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> By the way. the Festival Performance in Westminster Abbey at which Haydn is said to have stood AND cried, was 1784.&nbsp; Perhaps we should all stand and cry too. <P>John Speller</HTML>   --------------A68B4034240CF595619FF1F8--    
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone listen to the postlude Sunday? From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:09:29 EST     --part1_125.88c3b8a.293f1419_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I agree with you, Russ, but I occasionally throw the congregation a curve = and play something soft. They prefer the rousing majestic postludes. Many do =   stay to listen. Lee   --part1_125.88c3b8a.293f1419_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff00ff" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><B>I agree with you, = Russ, but I occasionally throw the congregation a curve and play something = soft.&nbsp; They prefer the rousing majestic postludes.&nbsp; Many do stay = to listen.&nbsp; Lee</B></FONT></HTML>   --part1_125.88c3b8a.293f1419_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Retirement: it was great while it lasted From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 01:14:20 EST     --part1_89.fe14c72.293f153c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have retired several times, only to be called back into service. At one =   church, I let it be known that I was not interested in being the full time =   organist. However, a Sunday did not go by that I did not substitute for either the organist or pianist. Then about 2 months later the Music = Director called and said the organist had quit suddenly, as her husband was transferred, and he just knew God has sent me his way. As I had played = for him in another church, how could I refuse. Even when I moved 2 years = later to where I am now, there was an immediate opening in 3 of the churches = here. So, I had my pick. And now I have no plans for retirement, even though I = am almost at retirement age. (but organists are ageless). Lee   --part1_89.fe14c72.293f153c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#ff00ff" SIZE=3D2 = FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D"Comic Sans MS" LANG=3D"0"><B>I have retired = several times, only to be called back into service.&nbsp; At one church, I = let it be known that I was not interested in being the full time = organist.&nbsp; However, a Sunday did not go by that I did not substitute = for either the organist or pianist.&nbsp; Then about 2 months later the = Music Director called and said the organist had quit suddenly, as her = husband was transferred, and he just knew God has sent me his way.&nbsp; = As I had played for him in another church, how could I refuse.&nbsp; Even = when I moved 2 years later to where I am now, there was an immediate = opening in 3 of the churches here.&nbsp; So, I had my pick.&nbsp; And now = I have no plans for retirement, even though I am almost at retirement = age.&nbsp; (but organists are ageless). Lee</B></FONT></HTML>   --part1_89.fe14c72.293f153c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: postludes From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:07:28 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0063_01C17DC8.775B7C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear All, I rarely write to this List, though thoroughly enjoy it all. As a =3D just-retired Anglican clergyman who is also President of the Wellington = =3D Organists' Association and building an organ at home, I've always been =3D very careful of my musicians' feelings, mindful that by and large they =3D have worked many long hours, and that not one of them has ever been paid = =3D a cent except for weddings and funerals, and those of course by the =3D families concerned. I also remember very readily my own experiences as a = =3D Dir.Music before I was ordained. At the end of the Service (New Zealand Anglican), I would announce the =3D final hymn, do the Communion ablutions while the hymn was sung, and then = =3D pronounce The Blessing after going to the top of the chancel steps, =3D yards in front of the altar. When I had finished that and the people's =3D response to my "Go in peace to love and serve the Lord" as "We go in the = =3D Name of Christ", the organist/pianist/musicians knew to begin =3D immediately. I walked side-by-side with the Liturgical Assistant outside = =3D the west door into the courtyard outside the church or, if wet, into the = =3D narthex only, to make the usual Vicar-noises as people left. So, those =3D that wanted to do so could easily sit and listen to the music. But, and = =3D here is a thing I did - I always went to the =3D organist/pianist/musicians/choir before they left and thanked them for =3D their assistance in the worship, making remarks to let them know I had =3D listened to what they had been playing or singing. That way, =3D relationships always stayed sweet. I would never foist newcomers or something odd onto the scene at the =3D last minute - last Christmas, as it was only 10 days notice from him, I = =3D refused to let my son-in-law join our own parish musicians for the =3D Christmas music. The last three years, I was choirmaster, and also used to sing in any =3D special music, like Nine Lessons & Carols, though technically leading =3D the (unannounced) service as well. And I always played the organ on the = =3D 8am Sunday Service as well as celebrate Holy Communion. Too much of me? = =3D Well, probably yes, but if you are in a small parish of only about 60 - = =3D 80 regulars at 10am, and only 15 - 20 at 8am, musicians are very limited = =3D in numbers and many folks had several jobs. The organ, though a small one of 4rks unit, was resited and enlarged and = =3D revoiced in my 8 yrs as Vicar, and a fellow was encouraged, through my =3D support of the parish's music, to give on very-lengthy loan, and pay for = =3D all mainternance and tuning and insurance, a 1912 7'8" Bechstein grand =3D in stunning condition. So, it wasn't all bad. I must not show off, but good relationships can be achieved. My =3D musicians and I have always been very good friends, and almost all of =3D them would be at the Service every week, whether or not they were to be = =3D assisting in the music. Some were on Vestry or readers or liturgical =3D assistants or Treasurer or florists or gardeners or Sunday School =3D teachers as well - all the usual church jobs. My own attitude to the postlude is that I enjoy listening to it. If =3D playing myself, yes, it was my offering to God, and also a good =3D "wind-down" for me after the Service, so even if people didn't listen or = =3D talked over me, so what. I could inwardly call them philistines or =3D peasants and leave it at that. Now just retired as I said, a few weeks ago (40 miles from my last =3D parish), I've played the organ for two funerals and joined the parish =3D choir. And I'll be playing midnight Christmas and 8am Christmas Day =3D services. If and when I'm asked to assist with taking services, as a =3D clergyman, that'll be fine, but I'm not demanding anything, just =3D offering to help anywhere and in any capacity the parish may want to use = =3D me. Very noble? No, not really, as I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Listening = =3D to the sermons of others is great after years of having to listen to my =3D own :-) Regards,=3D20 Ross Wards (The Rev.Dr)   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0063_01C17DC8.775B7C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Dear All,</DIV> <DIV>I rarely write to this List, though thoroughly enjoy&nbsp;it all. =3D As a=3D20 just-retired Anglican clergyman who is also President of the = Wellington=3D20 Organists' Association and building an organ at home, I've always been =3D very=3D20 careful of my musicians' feelings, mindful that by and large they have =3D worked=3D20 many long hours, and that not one of them has ever been paid a cent =3D except for=3D20 weddings and funerals, and those of course by the families concerned. I = =3D also=3D20 remember very readily my own experiences as a Dir.Music before I was=3D20 ordained.</DIV> <DIV>At the end of the Service (New Zealand Anglican), I would announce = =3D the=3D20 final hymn, do the Communion ablutions while the hymn was sung, and then = =3D   pronounce The Blessing after going to the top of the chancel steps, =3D yards in=3D20 front of the altar. When I had finished that and the people's response =3D to my "Go=3D20 in peace to love and serve the Lord" as "We go in the Name of Christ", =3D the=3D20 organist/pianist/musicians knew to begin immediately. I walked =3D side-by-side with=3D20 the Liturgical Assistant outside the west door into the courtyard =3D outside the=3D20 church or, if wet, into the narthex only, to make the usual Vicar-noises = =3D as=3D20 people left. So, those that wanted to do so could easily sit and listen = =3D to the=3D20 music. But, and here is a thing I did - I always went to the=3D20 organist/pianist/musicians/choir before they left and thanked them for =3D their=3D20 assistance in the worship, making remarks to let them know I had =3D listened to=3D20 what they had been playing or singing. That way, relationships always =3D stayed=3D20 sweet.</DIV> <DIV>I would never foist newcomers or something odd onto the scene at =3D the last=3D20 minute - last Christmas, as it was only 10 days notice from him, I =3D refused to=3D20 let my son-in-law join our own parish musicians for the Christmas =3D music.</DIV> <DIV>The last three years, I was choirmaster, and also used to sing in =3D any=3D20 special music, like Nine Lessons &amp; Carols, though technically =3D leading the=3D20 (unannounced) service as well. And I always played the organ on the 8am = =3D Sunday=3D20 Service as well as celebrate Holy Communion. Too much of me? Well, =3D probably yes,=3D20 but if you are in a small parish of only about 60 - 80 regulars at 10am, = =3D and=3D20 only 15 - 20 at 8am, musicians are very limited in numbers and many =3D folks had=3D20 several jobs.</DIV> <DIV>The organ, though a small one of 4rks unit, was resited and =3D enlarged and=3D20 revoiced in my 8 yrs as Vicar, and a fellow was encouraged, through my =3D support=3D20 of the parish's music, to give on very-lengthy loan, and pay for all=3D20 mainternance and tuning and insurance, a 1912 7'8" Bechstein grand in =3D stunning=3D20 condition. So, it wasn't all bad.</DIV> <DIV>I must not show off, but good relationships can be achieved. My =3D musicians=3D20 and I have always been very good friends, and almost all of them would =3D be at the=3D20 Service every week, whether or not they were to be assisting in the =3D music. Some=3D20 were on Vestry or readers or liturgical assistants or Treasurer or =3D florists or=3D20 gardeners or Sunday School teachers&nbsp;as well - all the usual = church=3D20 jobs.</DIV> <DIV>My own attitude to the postlude is that I enjoy listening to it. If = =3D playing=3D20 myself, yes, it was my offering to God, and also a good "wind-down" for = =3D me after=3D20 the Service, so even if people didn't listen or talked over me, so what. = =3D I could=3D20 inwardly call them philistines or peasants and leave it at that.</DIV> <DIV>Now just retired as I said, a few weeks ago (40 miles from my last = =3D parish),=3D20 I've played the organ for two funerals and joined the parish choir. And = =3D I'll be=3D20 playing midnight Christmas and 8am Christmas Day services. If and when =3D I'm asked=3D20 to assist with taking services, as a clergyman, that'll be fine, but I'm = =3D not=3D20 demanding anything, just offering to help anywhere and in any capacity =3D the=3D20 parish may want to use me. Very noble? No, not really, as I'm thoroughly = =3D   enjoying it. Listening to the sermons of others is great after years of = =3D having=3D20 to listen to my own :-)</DIV> <DIV>Regards, </DIV> <DIV>Ross Wards (The Rev.Dr)</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0063_01C17DC8.775B7C20--      
(back) Subject: Re: postludes seque retiring From: <OrganNYC@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 02:38:06 EST     --part1_173.371a4c.293f28de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   For me, the postlude is the ideal way to sum up the service musically. I = do spend time trying to make it festive and, if realistically possible, = related to the rest of the service in terms of composers or hymns used. At least once every 2 months, I try to improvise the postlude. I always recall the =   times I've heard Jean Guillou play at St. Eustache in Paris and just = pretend. Of course, there are many Sundays when I play those favorite trumpet = tunes and various marches which simply show off the organ and the party horns. = I'm guilty of showing off, I suppose...but I know that I am in a unique church =   where some of those who worship with us kinda expect to hear all of the = big organ at least once. If I visited St. Paul's in London, I would certainly =   expect to be "wowed" for that one Sunday I was there.   In my church, there are often many tourists -- we're on Museum Mile which = is Fifth Avenue in NYC -- and sometimes well-known organists are in town for = an AGO committee meeting at national headquarters and for some reason choose = to attend services at my church instead of the *other* famous one down the street. How humbling (and frightening) it is to be greeted by a = well-known organist after the postlude! All the while I make conversation, of = course, I am playing back the service and my performance in my head and wondering if = I was awful or just over the top. There are also often very many marathons, =   races and parades which start or end near my church. Everyone needs to = use the facilities, and our church is famous because of someone way back when = who built the Engineers' Gate at 90th Street and assured all the runners that they were welcome at my church for their needs. So it goes. We don't complain -- it's actually quite unique and fabulous. We also have our = share of famous show-biz celebrities, some of whom are members, or just stopping = in because it's a pretty art deco-gothic church. In short, I always try to = at least fake a great postlude, remembering Gerre Hancock's hint: If stuck, just trill. One Vestry person in the church almost always comes up into = the choir stalls and listens, then applauds wildly when I'm done...even when = I've bombed out. I doubt that he knows whether I've done well or not, but I always know that he's "over there" listening...and it's for this person I actually *perform* my postlude...(he doesn't need to know this). Others sometime come up to watch me from behind the console while I push pistons = and throw xerox pages onto the floor, then applaud when I'm through. It's all =   very nerve-wracking. Yet.............I'm not complaining. Now and then, = I have the pleasure of greeting a young kid who saw me during communion and wants to see the organ, so I sit him or her on the console and let them at =   it. That makes my day. One result of this is that we have a 16 yo who is =   playing the Widor Toccata and the Bach TAF. In the few moments it takes = for me to end communion, hear the final prayer and blessing, then launch into = the last hymn before the postlude, my mind is on auto-pilot. Just knowing = that someone out there is really listening makes me turn "on" for that moment = and really try to do my very best. I know that I'm doing it for the bigger = ideal of worship, so that gets me through the Sunday when I've played something super hard and fabulous and my regular fan club is absent. Almost always, =   though, I'm very lucky to say that there are many people out there who actually listen, comment and --god forbid -- applaud.   And that's just part of what it's all about -- being a church organist. I =   can't even think of retiring. It's just too rewarding.   Steve Lawson Church of the Heavenly Rest - NYC   --part1_173.371a4c.293f28de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D"#030025" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Verdana" LANG=3D"0">For me, the = postlude is the ideal way to sum up the service musically. &nbsp;I do = spend time trying to make it festive and, if realistically possible, = related to the rest of the service in terms of composers or hymns used. = &nbsp;At least once every 2 months, I try to improvise the postlude. = &nbsp;I always recall the times I've heard Jean Guillou play at St. = Eustache in Paris and just pretend. &nbsp;Of course, there are many = Sundays when I play those favorite trumpet tunes and various marches which = simply show off the organ and the party horns. &nbsp;I'm guilty of showing = off, I suppose...but I know that I am in a unique church where some of = those who worship with us kinda expect to hear all of the big organ at = least once. &nbsp;If I visited St. Paul's in London, I would certainly = expect to be "wowed" for that one Sunday I was there. <BR> <BR>In my church, there are often many tourists -- we're on Museum Mile = which is Fifth Avenue in NYC -- and sometimes well-known organists are in = town for an AGO committee meeting at national headquarters and for some = reason choose to attend services at my church instead of the *other* = famous one down the street. &nbsp;How humbling (and frightening) it is to = be greeted by a well-known organist after the postlude! &nbsp;All the = while I make conversation, of course, I am playing back the service and my = performance in my head and wondering if I was awful or just over the top. = &nbsp;There are also often very many marathons, races and parades which = start or end near my church. &nbsp;Everyone needs to use the facilities, = and our church is famous because of someone way back when who built the = Engineers' Gate at 90th Street and assured all the runners that they were = welcome at my church for their needs. &nbsp;So it goes. &nbsp;We don't = complain -- it's actually quite unique and fabulous. &nbsp <BR> <BR>And that's just part of what it's all about -- being a church = organist. &nbsp;I can't even think of retiring. &nbsp;It's just too = rewarding. <BR> <BR>Steve Lawson <BR>Church of the Heavenly Rest - NYC</FONT></HTML>   --part1_173.371a4c.293f28de_boundary--