PipeChat Digest #2545 - Friday, December 7, 2001
 
Re: Seeking a recommendation . . .
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Stop Tabs
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Re: Electrotone
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
Re: Stop Tabs
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Mixture tuning hints (Longish)
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Seeking a recommendation . . . From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:24:08 EST     --part1_147.5e53f5a.29426348_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Regardless of where the reed goes it should play at 8', even if it begins = at tenor c. The bass octave can be added later, but in the meantime you NEED = an 8' reed. I assume the reed has been prepared for in the Swell. I recommend an Oboe, since they are extremely useful in chorus and as solo stops. Look at the small instruments of the 19th century and there is precedent. Also a Dulcian would be another good choice. The Flentrop = at St. Anne's Episcopal Church in Atlanta has two manual reeds on a 34 rk instrument. There is an 8' Trompet on the Great and a 16' Dulzian in the Swell. The 16' Dulzian is amazingly useful and with the Swell Principal = 4, Larigot 1-1/3 and mixture provide an amazingly successful "full swell." Having the grativy of a 16 reed does so much for the overall chorus. The Dulzian also serves as a beautiful solo stop in keeping with a classicly oriented instrument as well as providing the gentle colour for the romantically oriented.   I would also have no problem with a Krummhorn, since it, too, is a very versatile reed, providing much color and lovely colour. As much as I = love trumpets, I think they require other reeds to make them really successful, =   not to mention sufficient flue work for support.   Another possibility is to prepare for the addition of another reed which could be swapped back and forth in the holes, possibly sharing a common = 1-12 and 49-61. Thus if you want another colour for Lent or Advent, simply swapping the 36 pipe ranks would do the trick.   Of course, I'd rather have two reeds, or maybe a reed and a good strong cornet before I'd go for a mixture, especially in a small dead room.   Good luck and keep us posted.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_147.5e53f5a.29426348_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regardless of where the = reed goes it should play at 8', even if it begins at tenor c. &nbsp;The = bass octave can be added later, but in the meantime you NEED an 8' reed. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I assume the reed has been prepared for in the Swell. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I recommend an Oboe, since they are extremely useful in chorus = and as solo stops. &nbsp;&nbsp;Look at the small instruments of the 19th = century and there is precedent. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Also a Dulcian would be = another good choice. &nbsp;&nbsp;The Flentrop at St. Anne's Episcopal = Church in Atlanta has two manual reeds on a 34 rk instrument. &nbsp;There = is an 8' Trompet on the Great and a 16' Dulzian in the Swell. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The 16' Dulzian is amazingly useful and with the Swell = Principal 4, Larigot 1-1/3 and mixture provide an amazingly successful = "full swell." &nbsp;&nbsp;Having the grativy of a 16 reed does so much for = the overall chorus. &nbsp;The Dulzian also serves as a beautiful solo stop = in <BR> <BR>I would also have no problem with a Krummhorn, since it, too, is a = very versatile reed, providing much color and lovely colour. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As much as I love trumpets, I think they require other = reeds to make them really successful, not to mention sufficient flue work = for support. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Another possibility is to prepare for the addition of another reed = &nbsp;which could be swapped back and forth in the holes, possibly sharing = a common 1-12 and 49-61. &nbsp;Thus if you want another colour for Lent or = Advent, simply swapping the 36 pipe ranks would do the trick. <BR> <BR>Of course, I'd rather have two reeds, or maybe a reed and a good = strong cornet before I'd go for a mixture, especially in a small dead = room. <BR> <BR>Good luck and keep us posted. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_147.5e53f5a.29426348_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:44:21 +1300   Yes, indeed, Compton's of England produced electrones for some years, and the word electrotone was also used a lot many years ago by those who couldn't stomach the thought of using the word "organ" for something = wasn't a wind instrument. In our part of the world here in New Zealand, those = that are 50+ in years well remember those words. Too, we "oldies" in writing like to show our contempt for the sound electronics make by referring to them as "electronics" not "organs" and/or by not using caps for the maker. So, you can have instruments made by Schnitger, Henry Willis, allen, Hill Norman & Beard, rogers, Compton, compton, Casavant, yamaha - and so on. An organ builder once said to me many years ago - "All the electronics makers keep advertising, 'sounds like a real pipe organ.' When I hear the organbuilders advertise, 'sounds like a real electronic', then, and only then, will I know an electronic organ worth the name has been built." Interesting point. Regards, Ross (in New Zealand) P.S. Yes, a largish-scale Fagotto or gritty Oboe is probably the best = first reed, rather than a cylindrical reed or fractional-length something. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:40 AM Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ?     >Wasn't the Compton electronic organ (with tone wheels) called something >like that ? Electrone or electrotone? Not sure now. >Bob Elms. > >MFoxy9795@aol.com wrote: >> >> "Electrotone" (? not familiar) organ >> >> yamaha electone? >> >> " > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Stop Tabs From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 15:35:47 -0600   Does anyone have some stop tabs (the name tabs+stop action) that they would give me for the shipping cost? They would be used for my organ project.   Thanks! Paul Soulek  
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 08:07:04 +1030   Aw! Come On!   What is an organ, anyway?   And your use of lower case initials won't make the big two A and R very happy.   So, if someone doesn't like you you'll be quite happy that your names will be initialised with a lower case letter?   Ian.   > From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:44:21 +1300 > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? > > Yes, indeed, Compton's of England produced electrones for some years, = and > the word electrotone was also used a lot many years ago by those who > couldn't stomach the thought of using the word "organ" for something = wasn't > a wind instrument. In our part of the world here in New Zealand, those = that > are 50+ in years well remember those words. > Too, we "oldies" in writing like to show our contempt for the sound > electronics make by referring to them as "electronics" not "organs" = and/or > by not using caps for the maker. So, you can have instruments made by > Schnitger, Henry Willis, allen, Hill Norman & Beard, rogers, Compton, > compton, Casavant, yamaha - and so on. > An organ builder once said to me many years ago - "All the electronics > makers keep advertising, 'sounds like a real pipe organ.' When I hear = the > organbuilders advertise, 'sounds like a real electronic', then, and only > then, will I know an electronic organ worth the name has been built." > Interesting point. > Regards, > Ross (in New Zealand) > P.S. Yes, a largish-scale Fagotto or gritty Oboe is probably the best = first > reed, rather than a cylindrical reed or fractional-length something. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Saturday, December 08, 2001 3:40 AM > Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ?    
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 14:42:49 -0700   > Too, we "oldies" in writing like to show our contempt for the sound > electronics make by referring to them as "electronics" not "organs" = and/or > by not using caps for the maker.   > An organ builder once said to me many years ago - "All the electronics > makers keep advertising, 'sounds like a real pipe organ.' When I hear = the > organbuilders advertise, 'sounds like a real electronic', then, and only > then, will I know an electronic organ worth the name has been built."   Y'know, this is really a silly thing to always be discussing in organ groups -- Do you suspect this kind of rhetoric was common in the days = before electronics, when a reed organ was often referred to as an "organ"? Did = we have people harumphing and decrying the misuse of the word?   Face it -- Electronic Organs are here, whether you want to capitalize the name of the builder or not. And when pipe organs can run in the 10's of thousands per STOP, the electronic is the only realistic option for many venues, just as the reed organ was the only realistic option for many churches, schools and homes in its heyday.   You want the organ to die out -- then get rid of electronics. I seriously doubt the organ could survive as a serious musical contributor outside of academia for more than two generations.   D    
(back) Subject: Re: Electrotone From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:06:31 EST   Ross (in New Zealand) writes:   >An organ builder once said to me many years ago - "All the electronics >makers keep advertising, 'sounds like a real pipe organ.' When I hear = the >organbuilders advertise, 'sounds like a real electronic', then, and only >then, will I know an electronic organ worth the name has been built." <<   This <must> have been many years ago!! I do not recall Hammond = advertising that they sounded like a real pipe organ, but then again they were <electric>, not electronic. Seems that however cold the ashes, vestiges = of the pipe-versus-electronic argument will be rekindled from time to time.   Best wishes, jim pitts (lower case, just in case)  
(back) Subject: Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 17:38:05 -0000     > > That's what I heard, too. In fact, if the Halleluia chorus wasn't so loud > the tradition would be for everyone to stand and say, "I gotta pee." ;-) > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com   What I can't understand is - why did the damn fool stand up to honour the most boring chorus in the history of oratorio?   Was he utterly impervious to "Worthy is the Lamb"?, did he remain unmoved by "And With His Stripes We Are Healed", did "Since By Man Came Death" fail to stir the dreary monarch? And if "Behold the Lamb of God" left him seated, then he must have been thoroughly philistine.   Pffffttt !   Chris B   The Bah Humbug season gets earlier every year, doanit?    
(back) Subject: Re: Stop Tabs From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:00:24 -0500   Paul:   How about putting together a list of everything you need and posting it. There may even be someone out there with everything you want in exchange for you picking it up.   There would also be the possibility of a Rodgers Tech who might have spare interface boards on hand from an earlier Rodgers pipe interface that has been updated and might be compatible with your project.   Posting on EORG might get that for you.   noel jones rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com Organ Sheet Music Store  
(back) Subject: Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 17:42:19 -0600   In a belated addition to the thread on the custom of standing for the the chorus "Hallelujah", in "Messiah",   Chris Baker wrote:   > What I can't understand is - why did the damn fool stand up to honour > the most boring chorus in the history of oratorio? > > Was he utterly impervious to "Worthy is the Lamb"?, > did he remain unmoved by "And With His Stripes We Are Healed", > did "Since By Man Came Death" fail to stir the dreary monarch? > And if "Behold the Lamb of God" left him seated, then he must have > been thoroughly philistine.   and perhaps it might bear pointing out that at the time of the chorus "Hallelujah", only two of the choruses Chris names would have been heard, given that "Since by Man..." and "Worthy..." follow the chorus "Hallelujah".   While I must consider yielding to those who have proven to be more knowledgeable than myself in these matters, frankly, I'm quite content to accept that King George stood as a matter of personal piety. The text of the chorus, "...for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth...King of Kings..." certainly admits of such a possibility that the action was a genuine action of piety in a way that "Since by Man...", or even "Worthy is the lamb..." does not.   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: Mixture tuning hints (Longish) From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:13:22 EST     --part1_17b.61d22f.2942b522_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/5/2001 8:38:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, arpschneider@starband.net writes:     > > For small pipes, a number of ready-made items readily lend themselves to > service: pipe cleaners and those various diameter "fuzzy" colored wires > that one finds in craft stores are wonderful. > >   I have beeen using "chenille sticks" for stopping the mixture pipes that I = am tuning. They work well at silencing the pipes, which cotton wads do not do =   successfully AND they have the added feature of keeping the insides of the =   pipes clean!..You might be amazed at the instability a little dirt in the wrong place in small pipes can create.   Rick in VA   --part1_17b.61d22f.2942b522_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/5/2001 8:38:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, arpschneider@starband.net = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR>For small pipes, a number of ready-made items readily lend themselves = to <BR>service: pipe cleaners and those various diameter "fuzzy" colored = wires <BR>that one finds in craft stores are wonderful. <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I have beeen using "chenille sticks" for stopping the mixture pipes = that I am tuning. They work well at silencing the pipes, which cotton wads = do not do successfully AND they have the added feature of keeping the = insides of the pipes clean!..You might be amazed at the instability a = little dirt in the wrong place in small pipes can create. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17b.61d22f.2942b522_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:31:44 EST     --part1_fd.1047476e.2942b970_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/7/01 4:43:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlgoward@qwest.net writes:     > Face it -- Electronic Organs are here, whether you want to capitalize = the > name of the builder or not. And when pipe organs can run in the 10's of > thousands per STOP, the electronic is the only realistic option for many > venues, just as the reed organ was the only realistic option for many > churches, schools and homes in its heyday. > > You want the organ to die out -- then get rid of electronics. I = seriously > doubt the organ could survive as a serious musical contributor outside = of > academia for more than two generations. >   One for each paragraph: Pooey! Pooey!!   ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_fd.1047476e.2942b970_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/7/01 4:43:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, dlgoward@qwest.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Face it -- = Electronic Organs are here, whether you want to capitalize the <BR>name of the builder or not. &nbsp;And when pipe organs can run in the = 10's of <BR>thousands per STOP, the electronic is the only realistic option for = many <BR>venues, just as the reed organ was the only realistic option for many <BR>churches, schools and homes in its heyday. <BR> <BR>You want the organ to die out -- then get rid of electronics. &nbsp;I = seriously <BR>doubt the organ could survive as a serious musical contributor outside = of <BR>academia for more than two generations. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>One for each paragraph: &nbsp;&nbsp;Pooey! &nbsp;&nbsp;Pooey!! <BR> <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_fd.1047476e.2942b970_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:33:28 EST     --part1_72.1436db42.2942b9d8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/7/01 5:14:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, chorale@clara.co.uk writes:     > What I can't understand is - why did the damn fool stand up to honour > the most boring chorus in the history of oratorio? > Maybe he was trying to leave and the Queen grabbed his "ermine"! ;-)   yyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!     Bah humbug! And also wichu!! ;-) Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_72.1436db42.2942b9d8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/7/01 5:14:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, chorale@clara.co.uk writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What I can't = understand is - why did the damn fool stand up to honour <BR>the most boring chorus in the history of oratorio? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Maybe he was trying to leave and the Queen = grabbed his "ermine"! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>yyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bah humbug! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And also wichu!! ;-) <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_72.1436db42.2942b9d8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 18:02:45 -0700     >One for each paragraph: Pooey! Pooey!!     Brilliant rebuttal! My arguments are sorely wounded!   hehe   D    
(back) Subject: Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 01:09:58 -0000     From: Noel Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus     > In a belated addition to the thread on the custom of standing for the the > chorus "Hallelujah", in "Messiah", > > Chris Baker wrote: > > > What I can't understand is - why did the damn fool stand up to honour > > the most boring chorus in the history of oratorio? > > > > Was he utterly impervious to "Worthy is the Lamb"?, > > did he remain unmoved by "And With His Stripes We Are Healed", > > did "Since By Man Came Death" fail to stir the dreary monarch? > > And if "Behold the Lamb of God" left him seated, then he must have > > been thoroughly philistine. > > and perhaps it might bear pointing out that at the time of the chorus > "Hallelujah", only two of the choruses Chris names would have been heard, > given that "Since by Man..." and "Worthy..." follow the chorus > "Hallelujah".   Indeed, and if Alleluiah got him up, the other two should have fairly launched him into orbit.   You're not perchance taking me a tad seriously, are you? No good'll come of it...........   CB    
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:38:56 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C17FF6.1101D660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   If you're talking to me, I know what you say is true. Vast, huge, =3D immeasurably-big sssiiigggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. No one in NZ can =3D build organs these days either, not only because there isn't the money, = =3D or because the buildings aren't designed spatially or acoustically to =3D have them any more, but mainly because clergy and their parishioners =3D literally loathe the sound of the organ and wouldn't have any kind, =3D electronic or pipe of any style, even as a maintenance-free gift. =3D Ssssaaaaadddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ross (in New Zealand)=3D20 -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com <Cremona502@cs.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ?     In a message dated 12/7/01 4:43:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, =3D dlgoward@qwest.net writes:=3D20       Face it -- Electronic Organs are here, whether you want to =3D capitalize the=3D20 name of the builder or not. And when pipe organs can run in the =3D 10's of=3D20 thousands per STOP, the electronic is the only realistic option for = =3D many=3D20 venues, just as the reed organ was the only realistic option for =3D many=3D20 churches, schools and homes in its heyday.=3D20   You want the organ to die out -- then get rid of electronics. I =3D seriously=3D20 doubt the organ could survive as a serious musical contributor =3D outside of=3D20 academia for more than two generations.=3D20       One for each paragraph: Pooey! Pooey!!=3D20   ;-)=3D20   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, = Bohawow!"=3D20 Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi=3D20 Please visit Howling Acres at = http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20 and wander through the Mall Without Walls=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C17FF6.1101D660 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>If you're talking to me, I know what you say is =3D true. Vast,=3D20 huge, immeasurably-big sssiiigggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. No one in NZ =3D can build=3D20 organs these days either, not only because there isn't the =3D money,&nbsp;or=3D20 because the buildings aren't designed&nbsp;spatially or acoustically to = =3D have=3D20 them any more, but mainly because clergy and their parishioners =3D literally loathe=3D20 the sound of the organ and wouldn't have any kind, electronic or pipe of = =3D any=3D20 style, even as a maintenance-free gift.=3D20 Ssssaaaaadddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Ross (in New&nbsp;Zealand)</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = =3D solid"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><B>-----Original =3D Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=3D20 </B><A href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> = &lt;<A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A>&gt;<BR><B>To: = =3D </B><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> &lt;<A = =3D   =3D href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>&gt;<BR><B= =3D >Date:=3D20 </B>Saturday, December 08, 2001 1:32 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: =3D "Electrotone"=3D20 ?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In = a =3D message=3D20 dated 12/7/01 4:43:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:dlgoward@qwest.net">dlgoward@qwest.net</A> writes: =3D <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Face it -- Electronic Organs are here, whether you want =3D to=3D20 capitalize the <BR>name of the builder or not. &nbsp;And when pipe =3D organs=3D20 can run in the 10's of <BR>thousands per STOP, the electronic is the = =3D only=3D20 realistic option for many <BR>venues, just as the reed organ was the = =3D only=3D20 realistic option for many <BR>churches, schools and homes in its =3D heyday.=3D20 <BR><BR>You want the organ to die out -- then get rid of =3D electronics.=3D20 &nbsp;I seriously <BR>doubt the organ could survive as a serious =3D musical=3D20 contributor outside of <BR>academia for more than two = generations.=3D20 <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>One for each =3D paragraph:=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;Pooey! &nbsp;&nbsp;Pooey!! <BR><BR>;-) <BR><BR>Bruce =3D Cornely=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with = the=3D20 Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"=3D20 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please = =3D visit=3D20 Howling Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/=3D20 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT>=3D20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C17FF6.1101D660--