PipeChat Digest #2546 - Friday, December 7, 2001
 
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by <TEvans1032@aol.com>
Re: Electrotone
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Tuners and Tuning
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Electrotone
  by "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au>
Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re; Electrotone
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Electrotone
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
silicon versus pipe
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Re; Electrotone
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: <TEvans1032@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 20:35:18 EST     --part1_13e.5d58f0e.2942c856_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Considering the organ survived how many years/centuries before the = invention of the reed organ, I feel with or without said electronics the Pipe organ will survive.   Travis   > > >> Face it -- Electronic Organs are here, whether you want to capitalize = the >> name of the builder or not. And when pipe organs can run in the 10's = of >> thousands per STOP, the electronic is the only realistic option for = many >> venues, just as the reed organ was the only realistic option for many >> churches, schools and homes in its heyday. >> >> You want the organ to die out -- then get rid of electronics. I = seriously >> doubt the organ could survive as a serious musical contributor outside = of >> academia for more than two generations. >> > > > One for each paragraph: Pooey! Pooey!!       --part1_13e.5d58f0e.2942c856_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Considering the organ = survived how many years/centuries before the invention of the reed organ, = I feel with or without said electronics the Pipe organ will survive. <BR> <BR>Travis <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Face it -- = Electronic Organs are here, whether you want to capitalize the <BR>name of the builder or not. &nbsp;And when pipe organs can run in the = 10's of <BR>thousands per STOP, the electronic is the only realistic option for = many <BR>venues, just as the reed organ was the only realistic option for many <BR>churches, schools and homes in its heyday. <BR> <BR>You want the organ to die out -- then get rid of electronics. &nbsp;I = seriously <BR>doubt the organ could survive as a serious musical contributor outside = of <BR>academia for more than two generations. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR>One for each paragraph: &nbsp;&nbsp;Pooey! &nbsp;&nbsp;Pooey!! = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_13e.5d58f0e.2942c856_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Electrotone From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:58:03 +1300   Dear List, You'll discover that amongst my occasional contributions to this List = there are two things you won't have been looking for. 1. My sense of humour is far more John Cleese and Peter Sellers/Goon Show (i.e. British zany) than American 2. I can be thrawn. Now in Scots if a person is thrawn, he "enjoys being difficult." On another List someone called me a "spoon." I had no idea what this = meant, as it's not NZ slang, but I'm told it means "the one who enjoys stirring = the pot." OK, I'll admit, I have no fear, I can take it even though the stress would kill me. Here it is: YES!   Phew! Now that bit is over, let's return to whatever normal means. Do note that I said "we oldies" about our little game-playing over cap letters. = None of us has done it for about ten years now. Too, seriously, I'm well aware that my ears are very sensitive to tone, = and always have been, with my own recognition of this back at least to when I was specifically just six years old. Heck, someone has to be a stirrer on organ tone. When I heard a brand-new piano recently, I said to someone next to me, "Why did they have to buy a Yamaha?" His comment, "How did you know that? You've only heard it for two minutes and never even been within 20 ft of it." Sorry, there is something very specific about Japanese piano sound. As I say, though, I am as aware as anyone of the financial impossibility = of most folk getting any organ, let alone with pipes these days. And also, of the fact that 99.99999999% couldn't tell the difference between a hammond tone-wheel 01-5788-870 Trumpet and a Clicquot Trompette. See, I've admitted that. Kind regards to all, Ross   -----Original Message----- From: Wurlibird1@aol.com <Wurlibird1@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, December 08, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Electrotone     >Ross (in New Zealand) writes: > >>An organ builder once said to me many years ago - "All the electronics >>makers keep advertising, 'sounds like a real pipe organ.' When I hear = the >>organbuilders advertise, 'sounds like a real electronic', then, and only >>then, will I know an electronic organ worth the name has been built." << > >This <must> have been many years ago!! I do not recall Hammond = advertising >that they sounded like a real pipe organ, but then again they were ><electric>, not electronic. Seems that however cold the ashes, vestiges = of >the pipe-versus-electronic argument will be rekindled from time to time. > >Best wishes, >jim pitts >(lower case, just in case) > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:00:53 -0500       > Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus > > > > In a belated addition to the thread on the custom of standing for > the the > > chorus "Hallelujah", in "Messiah", > > > > > > > What I can't understand is - why did the damn fool stand up to > honour > > > the most boring chorus in the history of oratorio?     I am shocked and amazed that this learned group doesn't know the very basics of the baroque school of music !   Obviously, the Singing of the Halleluia Chorus ( at a pretty good clip, I might add), reminded the King that he had negelected to send the messenger to Germany to advise Bach on the proper tempo for his Toccatas. The King stood to rectify this oversight.       Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Tuners and Tuning From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:16:56 -0600   My piano tuner friend at SMU just called to my attention the fact that there is now a TuneLab Pocket (for the Pocket PC). Robert Scott has much other good information on his website, including data on pitch changes and calibration of tuning forks. For any of you that are interested, this can be accessed at http//www.tunelab-world.com/      
(back) Subject: Re: Electrotone From: "Ron & Mandy" <ronwest@spiderweb.com.au> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 12:08:07 +1000   Dear Ross (in New Zealand), Thank you for your levity. Nothing like a bit of stirring to lighten = things up. I will agree with you wholeheartedly that the tones produced by a pipe = organ are unique. So are those produced by an electronic instrument. Electronic instruments are definitely here to stay. There is no doubt of that. But I agree with you, Ross, that until a respectable organ builder advertises that his pipe instrument sounds just like an electronic, then there is still some hope for the pipe organ. I play a pipe organ (albeit a small one) around seven days a week for = around two hours at a time. Accompanying silent films. I also play a Hammond for the same purpose when I perform outside my = regular venue. I can happily play the pipe organ seven days a week with no aural fatigue. I can not say the same for the Hammond. A few months ago I accompanied a 2 hour film on a brand new Allen and found the instrument rather disappointing. For my ears, the sound of an electronic becomes very tiring. But this is a personal opinion. And I'll take my Bechstein Grand over anything the Japanese have produced, thank you very much. Regards, Ron (in Queensland)    
(back) Subject: Re: Why People stand during the Halleluia Chorus From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 20:51:29 -0600       Chris Baker asked me:   > You're not perchance taking me a tad seriously, are you? > No good'll come of it...........   Absolutely not! I never stop at a tad.   Besides, its more fun, not to mention easier, to play the "straight" man...   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: "Dennis Goward" <dlgoward@qwest.net> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:55:44 -0700   Considering the organ survived how many years/centuries before the = invention of the reed organ, I feel with or without said electronics the Pipe organ will survive.   Yes, it survived for many years before the reed organ, but don't forget = the other dynamics: The church had tons of money and was the driving force behind the organ and its music. Now, the churches don't have the money, = and as Ross pointed out, many of them don't want organ, anyway. So if all we had available were high cost pipe organs, we may see the organ disappear = as a common musical instrument. It wouldn't be the first one to "evolve" out of music.   Sure, it would continue to exist, but like I said, it would be hard to = find outside of universities.   D    
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:07:37 EST   Hey   Would the organ survive without Electronics, and Reed organs? Well before that there were Violes, Sakbutts, and drums, Cymbals, recorders. In the twelfth century all the organs in existence could be counted on fingers of one hand, with several left over. Lutes were kind of special, come to = think of it aren't those sort of like guitars Hmmmmmmm!? I think I'd be a bit quiet =   about that. A digital organ is still head and shoulders better than the aforementioned, and they will still need one of us to play them. Think about that! BTW Thanks David on the blow by blow description of the Carlo Curley Concert. He played a not so new Allen and made it sound convincing. Perhaps the rest of you need to to be better than good to pull that off, Carlo is, =   are YOU!? People that bad mouth examples that have grown in the last 20 years had better go out and hear some new ones.! In fact make it your business to go out and hear all of them that are out there. If you still don't like =   them then I'll at least listen to you, but not for long! Snobbery is stupid!   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:08:31 EST   Hey   Would the organ survive without Electronics, and Reed organs? Well before that there were Violes, Sakbutts, and drums, Cymbals, recorders. In the twelfth century all the organs in existence could be counted on fingers of one hand, with several left over. Lutes were kind of special, come to = think of it aren't those sort of like guitars Hmmmmmmm!? I think I'd be a bit quiet =   about that. A digital organ is still head and shoulders better than the aforementioned, and they will still need one of us to play them. Think about that! BTW Thanks David on the blow by blow description of the Carlo Curley Concert. He played a not so new Allen and made it sound convincing. Perhaps the rest of you need to to be better than good to pull that off, Carlo is, =   are YOU!? People that bad mouth examples that have grown in the last 20 years had better go out and hear some new ones.! In fact make it your business to go out and hear all of them that are out there. If you still don't like =   them then I'll at least listen to you, but not for long! Snobbery is stupid!   Regards,   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re; Electrotone From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:29:46 EST   Hi Ross, and listers,   Certainly I was not implying you are a spoon, Ross, but thanks for sharing =   that description with us. I know a few people to whom it so aptly applies =   and I look forward to conferring that status on them in the future. :-)   I am of the opinion that any organ <within obvious bounds> is a good = organ. There is a broadening circle among churches where organs are no longer considered necessary. That is cause for concern and should be among all organists and organ enthusiasts.   Speaking only for myself, I would much prefer to see a Brand X digital or analog organ in a church than what I am seeing with increasing frequency: =   2-3 guitars, a bass, a keyboard synthesizer, 40 gazillion watts of amplifiers, drums and other assorted dance band props.   There is still a gap between pipes and digitals. But less than a decade = ago, it was a chasm. If the present trend toward contemporary praise bands as = the primary source of church instrumental music continues, we may soon be the applauding the installation of any organ, regardless of its genre.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts                  
(back) Subject: Re: Electrotone From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:30:49 EST     --part1_152.55cf221.2942e369_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/7/01 8:42:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:     > 2. I can be thrawn. Now in Scots if a person is thrawn, he "enjoys being > difficult."   In the southern parts of the USA if a person is "thrawn" that means he's = been tossed over the side of a bridge into the water! ;-) I suppose that's =   "difficult."     > As I say, though, I am as aware as anyone of the financial impossibility = of > most folk getting any organ, let alone with pipes these days. And also, = of > the fact that 99.99999999% couldn't tell the difference between a = hammond > tone-wheel 01-5788-870 Trumpet and a Clicquot Trompette. >   I think that people are far too often misjudged and underestimated in two very important ways. The first is their ability to purchase what they = want. If people in a parish WANT a pipe organ, they will find a way to purchase =   it. There is almost always someone around with the money, regardless of = the economy. The other is people's appreciation of art and music. Too = often clergy and church musicians will dub their parishioners DUMB, STUPID and CHEAP without really giving them the benefit of the doubt. Also, = recently I've seen precious few clergy who could inspire me to contribute much, financially or otherwise. Their standards tend to be very low and their mindset as fickled as a hooker at tax time. As long as their are intelligent people, there will be pipe organs.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_152.55cf221.2942e369_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/7/01 8:42:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">2. I can be = thrawn. Now in Scots if a person is thrawn, he "enjoys being <BR>difficult."</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In the southern parts of the USA if a person is = "thrawn" that means he's been tossed over the side of a bridge into the = water! &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I suppose that's "difficult." <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">As I say, though, I am as aware as anyone of the financial = impossibility of <BR>most folk getting any organ, let alone with pipes these days. And = also, of <BR>the fact that 99.99999999% couldn't tell the difference between a = hammond <BR>tone-wheel 01-5788-870 Trumpet and a Clicquot Trompette. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I think that people are far too often misjudged = and underestimated in two very important ways. &nbsp;The first is their = ability to purchase what they want. &nbsp;&nbsp;If people in a parish WANT = a pipe organ, they will find a way to purchase it. &nbsp;&nbsp;There is = almost always someone around with the money, regardless of the economy. = &nbsp;&nbsp;The other is people's &nbsp;appreciation of art and music. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Too often clergy and church musicians will dub their = parishioners DUMB, STUPID and CHEAP without really giving them the benefit = of the doubt. &nbsp;&nbsp;Also, recently I've seen precious few clergy who could inspire me to contribute much, financially = or otherwise. &nbsp;&nbsp;Their standards tend to be very low and their = mindset as fickled as a hooker at tax time. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;As long as = their are intelligent people, there will be pipe organs. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_152.55cf221.2942e369_boundary--  
(back) Subject: silicon versus pipe From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 19:36:02 -0800   From the ENDLESSLY frustrating experiences I've had with OUR pipe organ project, I'd offer the following:   First of all, have we not (as organists) contributed to the situation?   An example that I've often cited comes to mind: I grew up on a tubular pneumatic Estey with the following disposition:   SWELL   8' Stopped Diapason 8' Salicional 4' Harmonic Flute tremulant   GREAT (exposed)   8' Open Diapason (in facade) 8' Dulciana 4' Octave Swell to Great 8 Swell to Great 4   PEDAL (in sides of case)   16' Bourdon Swell to Pedal Great to Pedal   Now ... this organ served two congregations for the better part of a hundred years ...   The first congregation discarded it in favor of a second-hand Aeolian, which was later damaged by a hurricane, and then a second-hand McManis unit organ ... I've had no contact with that church in many years, but I imagine the McManis has failed by now.   The second congregation finally discarded the Estey in favor of a local builder's 4-rank unit organ which I imagine has also failed by now.   There were some problems with the tubular pneumatic action, particularly the couplers, but the organ was basically sound. It COULD have been trackerized, or had electric pull-downs applied.   I played recitals on that organ; I accompanied large-scale cantatas on it; I played church services on it. If I were DESIGNING an organ of seven ranks, I might not choose THOSE seven ranks, but probably the only change I'd make would be to put some sort of 8' flute in the Great ... it didn't really NEED *two* string stops (grin) ... the Dulciana was definitely stringy.   My point: it could play a LOT of music; it could DEFINITELY lead congregational singing; it DIDN'T have great handfuls of stops.   But the PROBLEM is that MOST organists today WOULDN'T be satisfied with an organ that size, or a one-manual organ with divided stops, both of which could play about 90% of what NEEDS to get played in the average parish church: hymns, the liturgy, simple anthem accompaniments, short organ pieces.   One of the SILLIEST organs I EVER played was a HUGE three-manual electronic in a lovely little Victorian chapel that seated less than a hundred. I'm SURE the original organ was a reed organ. There WAS no place for a pipe organ of any SIZE, to be sure, but a substantial two-manual and pedal reed organ, or a TINY pipe organ would have served just as well if not better than the big electronic with its 32s and Trompette-en-chamade, etc. But NOBODY in the church would settle for THAT, including the organist at the time. But the end result was just .... silly.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:40:26 EST     --part1_142.5f7721d.2942e5aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/7/01 10:08:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:     > ... make it your business to go out and hear all of them that are out = there. > If you still don't like them then I'll at least listen to you, but not = for > long! Snobbery is stupid! > Why do you consider it "snobbery" not to like the sound of an electronic thingy? Just because someone does not like the sound of a particular instrument, does not necessarily make them a snob! grrrrrrrrrrrrr = harumph!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_142.5f7721d.2942e5aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/7/01 10:08:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">... make it your = business to go out and hear all of them that are out there. If you still = don't like them then I'll at least listen to you, but not for long! = Snobbery is stupid! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Why do you consider it "snobbery" not to like = the sound of an electronic thingy? &nbsp;&nbsp;Just because someone does = not like the sound of a particular instrument, does not necessarily make = them a snob! &nbsp;&nbsp;grrrrrrrrrrrrr harumph! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_142.5f7721d.2942e5aa_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Re; Electrotone From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:44:24 EST     --part1_c9.19bd146e.2942e698_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/7/01 10:30:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes:     > There is a broadening circle among churches where organs are no longer > considered necessary. That is cause for concern and should be among all =   > organists and organ enthusiasts. >   Not to mention worshipers! I think the current trend toward pop music in =   worship will, in time, implode. I've watched our folk mass do this = because the "original" folk people don't want to change to newer contemporary = music and the more contemporary people don't want to do "old" folk music. I = just stand on the sidelines with my hanky poised..... (snrk snrk)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_c9.19bd146e.2942e698_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/7/01 10:30:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There is a = broadening circle among churches where organs are no longer <BR>considered necessary. &nbsp;That is cause for concern and should be = among all <BR>organists and organ enthusiasts. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Not to mention worshipers! &nbsp;&nbsp;I think the current trend = toward pop music in worship will, in time, implode. &nbsp;I've watched our = folk mass do this because the "original" folk people don't want to change = to newer contemporary music and the more contemporary people don't want to = do "old" folk music. &nbsp;&nbsp;I just stand on the sidelines with my = hanky poised..... (snrk snrk) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c9.19bd146e.2942e698_boundary--