PipeChat Digest #2550 - Saturday, December 8, 2001
 
RE.: ELECTRONES
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
Re: Electrotone
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Electrotone
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: ELECTRONIC ORGANS SOUND JUST LIKE PIPE ORGANS
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Glenda, my 2 cents
  by "Wayne Grauel" <wayne@eminent-usa.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE.: ELECTRONES From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:15:20 -0800 (PST)   When I was in high school in the 1950s, there was a local Methodist church that had an old Moller organ built around 1900. It had a very primitive form of electro-pneumatic action (with bar chests, for those of you who know what those are).   A local Wurlitzer salesman, who was also an "expert", told the church that the old Moller couldn't possibly last another year, and that he could replace it with a new Wurlitzer that sounded just like a pipe organ.   The old Moller lasted another twenty years (he lasted five). Guess what replaced it? Why, an Andover tracker PIPE organ!!! Today, Wurlitzer is only a bad memory, and the pipe organ is still alive and well.   The salesman "expert" has gone on to glory, or wherever dead Wurlitzer salesmen went.   In the 1950s and 1960s, Wurlitzer electronic organs would have had to have been drastically improved to have been horrible. Electronic organs in general were dreadful at best. I myself once said that "I would rather have the worst pipe organ than the best electronic."   Times have changed. In the last fifteen years, I have heard some beautiful, musically satisfying musical performances on electronic instruments. Sure, if I had my preference, I would rather have a good pipe organ.   In 1974, I installed a small pipe organ (11 ranks) in a church in West Texas. At that time, the church paid $17,500 for that organ. Today, that same organ would cost over $100,000. Most churches are simply not going to pay such high prices for an organ, and most of them simply don't have the money. It's either an electronic for them, or nothing.   Church music in general today has gone to hell. Today we have "praise bands" who give us a hootenanny on Sunday mornings, and those of use who are not fortunate enough to be sitting conveniently near an exit have to sit and listen to that crap.   If we are not careful, good church music is going to cease to exist, and no organs will survive, pipe or electronic. With a B.M., M.M., and D.M.A., try getting a job. We had better practrice saying "Do you want small or large fries with that?"   D. Keith Morgan           __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Electrotone From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:26:19 EST     --part1_120.8750db7.2943df7b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/7/01 10:52:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:     > . To, organist rather than > pianist, I just could sit and play it for hours, even hymntunes. >   Even as primarily an organist, I remember playing for a Southern Baptist church with a concert grand Steinway. I loved just siting and playing, either improvising or sightreading, occasionally playing something I'd actually learned. The most fun with improvising was the thrill of playing = a double octave in the lowest range and feeling the vibration of the strings =   continue on up through my fingers, arms, and to my shoulders, to a final "brain-shaking" conclusion. I have had this experience only once, unfortunately with a Bosendorfer. T'were glorioso!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_120.8750db7.2943df7b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/7/01 10:52:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. To, organist = rather than <BR>pianist, I just could sit and play it for hours, even hymntunes. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Even as primarily an organist, I remember playing for a Southern = Baptist church with a concert grand Steinway. &nbsp;I loved just siting = and playing, either improvising or sightreading, occasionally playing = something I'd actually learned. &nbsp;The most fun with improvising was = the thrill of playing a double octave in the lowest range and feeling the = vibration of the strings continue on up through my fingers, arms, and to = my shoulders, to a final "brain-shaking" conclusion. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I = have had this experience only once, unfortunately with a Bosendorfer. = &nbsp;T'were glorioso!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_120.8750db7.2943df7b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Electrotone From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:34:23 EST     --part1_26.1fb4948d.2943e15f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/7/01 10:55:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes:     > Well maybe in your high-classed neighborhood, Bruce, but here in = Bushville, > he is simply "thoed." And since I still want a pipe organ, regardless = of > the > cost, does that make me intelligent? Don't answer. >   Fortunately, "intelligence" is not a necessary ingredient for wanting a = pipe organ. I've heard countless wonderful stories about a committee of old farmers sitting around, chewing, and ruminating about "whut kind 'o arg'n = we shudotta git." Inevitably, the oldest (or the one with the biggest = "chaw") would say... "Wayull, I hear thet Olean Skinnah bilds beeeeooooooooooooooooooteful awguns and they got one at First Church up in =   Cap'tal ciddy. We orta git one o them!" And the rest is history. Depending on the crops, cattle or how much oil was found on the "back = fardy", Granny-Lou, organist for 87 years is faced with a argun with as many keyboards as God has Gospels and more knobs than He's got saints! It's = just whut shudotta be done fer Gawd!!!   > Now here's a constructive thought for Waco/Crawford (aka Bushville). = Since > we have the Western White House in Crawford, and Bush worships at First = UMC > Crawford, could we not dub that location as National Cathedral II? As > such, > it would scream for a decent pipe organ (got to keep up appearances, you =   > know). I'm sure Roy Redman could build the perfect instrument for NC II =   > and > it would be a strictly Texas project. :) > Sounds like a good idea. But be sure to include a design for longhorns to = be included in the pipe shades, and a Steerhorn for the West wall ... woooooooohooooooo   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_26.1fb4948d.2943e15f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/7/01 10:55:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wurlibird1@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Well maybe in your = high-classed neighborhood, Bruce, but here in Bushville, <BR>he is simply "thoed." &nbsp;And since I still want a pipe organ, = regardless of the <BR>cost, does that make me intelligent? &nbsp;Don't answer. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Fortunately, "intelligence" is not a necessary = ingredient for wanting a pipe organ. &nbsp;I've heard countless wonderful = stories about a committee of old farmers sitting around, chewing, and = ruminating about "whut kind 'o arg'n we shudotta git." = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Inevitably, the oldest (or the one with the biggest = "chaw") would say... &nbsp;"Wayull, I hear thet Olean Skinnah bilds = beeeeooooooooooooooooooteful awguns and they got one at First Church up in = Cap'tal ciddy. &nbsp;&nbsp;We orta git one o them!" = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And the rest is history. &nbsp;&nbsp;Depending on = the crops, cattle or how much oil was found on the "back fardy", = Granny-Lou, organist for 87 years is faced with a argun with as many = keyboards as God has Gospels and more knobs than He's got saints! = &nbsp;&nbsp;It's just whut shudotta be done fer Gawd!!! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">Now here's a constructive thought for Waco/Crawford (aka Bushville). &nbsp;Since <BR>we have the Western White House in Crawford, and Bush worships at = First UMC <BR>Crawford, could we not dub that location as National Cathedral II? = &nbsp;As such, <BR>it would scream for a decent pipe organ (got to keep up appearances, = you <BR>know). &nbsp;I'm sure Roy Redman could build the perfect instrument = for NC II and <BR>it would be a strictly Texas project. &nbsp;:) <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Sounds like a good idea. &nbsp;But be sure to = include a design for longhorns to be included in the pipe shades, and a = Steerhorn for the West wall ... &nbsp;woooooooohooooooo <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_26.1fb4948d.2943e15f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: ELECTRONIC ORGANS SOUND JUST LIKE PIPE ORGANS From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:39:50 EST     --part1_d1.10a13f3e.2943e2a6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/7/01 11:25:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com writes:     > The electronic salesmen all say that "the XXX > Electronic organ sounds just like a pipe organ". > > Like WHAT pipe organ? A Pilcher? A Wicks? A Fisk? An > Aeolian-Skinner? >   Wgt Aeolian-Skinner, of course... Pipe and electronic.. almost = EVERYTHING is compared to Aeolian-Skinner. Aeolian-Skinner is to organs what = Hershey is to chocolate!     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_d1.10a13f3e.2943e2a6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/7/01 11:25:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The electronic = salesmen all say that "the XXX <BR>Electronic organ sounds just like a pipe organ". <BR> <BR>Like WHAT pipe organ? A Pilcher? A Wicks? A Fisk? An <BR>Aeolian-Skinner? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Wgt Aeolian-Skinner, of course... &nbsp;&nbsp;Pipe and electronic.. = almost EVERYTHING is compared to Aeolian-Skinner. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Aeolian-Skinner is to organs what Hershey is to = chocolate! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d1.10a13f3e.2943e2a6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:41:33 EST     --part1_187.1fa24c.2943e30d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/8/01 1:34:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes:     > Very true. In the past a string quartet was de riguer for parties. = Anyone > hire one recently? > >   There was one at a wedding reception this afternoon!!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_187.1fa24c.2943e30d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/8/01 1:34:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Very true. = &nbsp;In the past a string quartet was de riguer for parties. &nbsp;Anyone =   <BR>hire one recently? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>There was one at a wedding reception this afternoon!!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_187.1fa24c.2943e30d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:43:42 EST     --part1_98.1ea6110e.2943e38e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/8/01 1:36:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes:     > > Why do you consider it "snobbery" not to like the > > sound of an electronic thingy? Just because someone > > does not like the sound of a particular instrument, does > > not necessarily make them a snob! > > Have you heard them ALL, and with an open mind? >   No I haven't heard them ALL, but what does that have to do with being a = snob if I don't like the sound. I don't like drums... does that make me a = snob? I don't like strummer guitarz.. does that make me a snob? I don't like electronically reproduced organ music.... does that make me a snob??   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_98.1ea6110e.2943e38e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/8/01 1:36:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&gt; Why do you = consider it "snobbery" not to like the <BR>&gt; sound of an electronic thingy? &nbsp;&nbsp;Just because someone <BR>&gt; does not like the sound of a particular instrument, does <BR>&gt; not necessarily make them a snob! &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Have you heard them ALL, and with an open mind? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>No I haven't heard them ALL, but what does that have to do with being = a snob if I don't like the sound. &nbsp;I don't like drums... does that = make me a snob? &nbsp;&nbsp;I don't like strummer guitarz.. does that make = me a snob? &nbsp;I don't like electronically reproduced organ music.... = does that make me a snob?? <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_98.1ea6110e.2943e38e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:45:47 EST     --part1_177.6921ee.2943e40b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/8/01 1:44:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, Pologaptommy@aol.com writes:   <It is my understanding that the new Allen Renaissance stops can be = revoiced to sound like any existing, reputable organ that is out there.>   Can they reproduce the sound of disrepurable ones, also? ;-)   > One should NEVER speak down to the companies that fill most of the > worlds church's with beautiful music. >   Please refer to my previous "Phooey, phooey" message!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_177.6921ee.2943e40b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/8/01 1:44:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, Pologaptommy@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR>&lt;It is my understanding that the new Allen Renaissance stops can be = revoiced <BR>to sound like any existing, reputable organ that is out there.&gt; <BR> <BR>Can they reproduce the sound of disrepurable ones, also? &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">One should NEVER = speak down to the companies that fill most of the <BR>worlds church's with beautiful music. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Please refer to my previous "Phooey, phooey" message! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_177.6921ee.2943e40b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:51:25 EST     --part1_10.16dcebe4.2943e55d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/8/01 5:13:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, Pologaptommy@aol.com writes:     > ! I wonder just how many people on this list weekly play on > electronic organs? >   This argument somehow escapes me. All babies fill their diapers, but = that doesn't make it any more pleasant or acceptable.   ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_10.16dcebe4.2943e55d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/8/01 5:13:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, Pologaptommy@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">! &nbsp;&nbsp;I = wonder just how many people on this list weekly play on <BR>electronic organs? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>This argument somehow escapes me. &nbsp;&nbsp;All babies fill their = diapers, but that doesn't make it any more pleasant or acceptable. <BR> <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_10.16dcebe4.2943e55d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:00:48 EST     --part1_183.60977e.2943e790_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/8/01 8:04:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > I can understand people having an antipathy towards electronic organs > which they probably see as a threat to the real thing. But to condemn > and/or "hate" amplified sound closes an awful lot of doors doesn't it? > It shuts most of the world away from music. >   Strange that you can understand people having an antipathy toward = electronics because they are seen as a threat to the real thing, but what about people =   who have an antipathy toward them because they SOUND AWFUL!!!! or more politely, because we don't care for the sound. Think how much more pleasant out lives would be of many, MANY of those doors were closed to = music that is amplified. It would be pleasant to sit in a restaurant, ride an elevator, drive in traffic, and walk through malls without having the constant natter of recorded "stuff." There would be QUIET!!!! boy, = what a trade-off!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_183.60977e.2943e790_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/8/01 8:04:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I can understand = people having an antipathy towards electronic organs <BR>which they probably see as a threat to the real thing. But to condemn = &nbsp; <BR>and/or "hate" amplified sound closes an awful lot of doors doesn't it? <BR>It shuts most of the world away from music. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Strange that you can understand people having an antipathy toward = electronics because they are seen as a threat to the real thing, but what = about people who have an antipathy toward them because they SOUND = AWFUL!!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;or more politely, because we don't care for the = sound. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Think how much more pleasant out lives = would be of many, MANY of those doors were closed to music that is = amplified. &nbsp;&nbsp;It would be pleasant to sit in a restaurant, ride = an elevator, drive in traffic, and walk through malls without having the = constant natter of recorded "stuff." &nbsp;&nbsp;There would be QUIET!!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;boy, what a trade-off!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_183.60977e.2943e790_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Glenda, my 2 cents From: "Wayne Grauel" <wayne@eminent-usa.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 16:59:44 -0500   Glenda, I agree with most others about the oboe, with the addition that I would very seriously consider a dulcian. A dulcian can be extremely versatile and offer a less stereotypical color, and a little more bite as a chorus reed. A trumpet on that organ would be out of character, you have nothing to back it up with. You might as well go get auto horns for as blended as it would sound unless you're willing to spend a whole lot of money to get a trumpet that has a lot of depth and and fundamental without the blast... and that's all you'll have when it's done, a trumpet!   This is where the dulcian can really fit in. The Oboe is a good choice, but with it's rounder sound and little less edge, it could work against you in mixing (the reed) with what other limited stops you have.   My advise would be put what ever it's going to be on the great. As a chorus reed it's with the principal chorus (or shall we say, your principal).   As a solo stop, it would (and should) be used in conjunction with any stop there. This goes for a dulcian or the Oboe, but the dulcian may offer more color when used with other stops as a solo reed and it would give more bite as a chorus reed. The other available stops will have a great ability to shape the color of the dulcian while the reed gives you the buzz!   If you put that reed on the swell, the only thing you will have to work with is 8,4,2... not enough! Consider the color that the 2 2/3 or the body that your principal can add. Consider playing it with the p4, or f4. Both stops will change the character of the reed immensely! Basically all of your available color is on the great, so use it!   As a solo reed, p8,4,2 2/3 plus your reed should at least command a little authority while the 8,4,2 in the swell offers an accompaniment. I would say you'd have a better ability to lead the congregation in a hymn with your reed as a solo stop on the great. If it was on the swell. the reed would would probably be lost due to the fact that you have no foundation to reinforce it. At least with it on the great you can have the reed in chorus with the rest of the organ... this is a big problem that I have with a lot of the small "American do-all organs" with that trumpet in the swell and the principal chorus in the great....All you hear is a cheap blaring trumpet!   This is not an ideal situation and neither would it be on the swell (unless you could couple the great to the swell). But I hope you see my point. Good luck!   Any other questions, email me!   Wayne