PipeChat Digest #2552 - Saturday, December 8, 2001
 
varous things
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
First Methodist, Wichita Falls, TX
  by <CdyVanpool@aol.com>
Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: NOT About Pipes and Transistors!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: NOT About Pipes and Transistors!
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: varous things
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Electrotone
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct
  by "John Cormack" <jcorm@bellatlantic.net>
 

(back) Subject: varous things From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:33:55 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C180C6.E99AC9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Josh, It's now Sunday afternoon so I can slide in a reply before someone =3D disclares this topic closed. To you, yes, of course I've heard new electronics, and the local parish = =3D here has two brand-new allens, each of 2 decks and about 35 speaking =3D stops. Still utterly revolting to my ears. I've played every breed of =3D electronic instrument possible over the last 40+ years, in answer to =3D your question, and will quickly go to see any new model or make. =3D Otherwise, I would be guilty of criticism without foundation. As it is, = =3D I do have an informed opinion. It is certainly true they don't produce music at all, the debate is =3D about whether they can be made to produce beautiful sounds. And I don't = =3D believe they can, because my ears recoil. The sound from a loudspeaker =3D is NOT the same as a sound that isn't, and no pleading can make it the =3D same. The problem is twofold - 1. my ears are more sensitive than most 2. most ears are not sensitive to quality (or lack of it). People do try to do too much, often, in both pipes and electronics. I =3D wouldn't want a symphony orchestra in my front room, even if I could get = =3D it there. I don't want a 3-deck electronic instrument in a church that =3D seats only 150. All wrong. Too, the music itself must be in scale. I =3D don't want Messiaen or Rheinberger or Liszt in a small church, on pipes = =3D or electronics. I want something in scale.=3D20 I remember an organ I played and heard in Cambridge, England. It was a =3D 3-deck Willis of about 45 stops in a church that seated only about 140. = =3D The organ had a 12-stop unenclosed Positive, and also two pedal 16ft =3D reeds, one a Trombone, the other an Ophicleide. There was even a =3D horizontal Tuba on 12" wind in the case. The whole thing was a total =3D obscenity, and I didn't even bother to ask myself what it might have =3D sounded like in a 1200-seat church. In London, I played an organ of 3 =3D decks and some 48 stops in a church seating about 180. Again, an =3D obscenity, though the sound was far finer than the stroppy Willis. And I played a Rushworth & Dreaper, 2 deck tracker of 11 stops, =3D untouched since being built in 1886, in a church seating 250. Absolutely = =3D glorious, gentle sound pervading the whole place. Nothing loud, =3D everything blending, perfect for accompanying choir or congregation. No = =3D inadequacy felt anywhere. It's often the comment from electronic-lovers, "The thing must have been = =3D poorly-installed." Well, that's no excuse, any more than you can excuse = =3D a poorly-voiced genuine organ. An organ is good where it is, or it =3D isn't. And if it's too big and too loud, I don't care who made it and =3D how much was spent on it, or how clever it is mechanically or any other = =3D way. It is not a question of me being critical or uneducated or not having =3D heard the right things. It is a question of who I am. Every time someone = =3D criticises a certain fast-food chain, the company dares people to try to = =3D prove their food isn't 100% pure. It may be 100% pure, that was not what = =3D was under question, but it tastes revolting, like old cardboard, and I =3D can't see why I should have to like it. That's called dumbing-down. Look, you can buy good 2nd-hand instruments, and even have them made up = =3D from bits and pieces, at far less cost than a new large electronic. I =3D know, for example, a fellow in England who has over 1,000 ranks of pipes = =3D spare, all 2nd-hand, occupying an enormous amount of space, that he is =3D happy to hock off at one pound sterling a pipe - and that includes 16ft = =3D open metals. I know for a fact he has over 48 8ft Stopped Diapasons of =3D wood made between 1860 and 1900, just for starters. OK, the organ resulting would not be ideal, but I'd infinitely prefer =3D that to any new electronic. And that's that. Kids and teenagers and congregations often don't respond to quality =3D these days, because they are not given an example by those who should =3D know better. I love making teenagers listen to my AWA radio, complete =3D with electro-mag 12-inch speaker, made in 1932. This thing's magic-eye =3D tuning is still perfect, and the whole thing has cost me just one valve = =3D repair since I got it in 1968, the year I got married. The radio is over = =3D 3ft high, 18 inches deep and two feet wide. Why do I love making =3D teenagers listen to it? Because of the joy I get watching their faces =3D grow in wonderment at the sheer QUALITY of rich tone, and that not =3D devoid of treble either.=3D20 Not very long ago, I went to a church where a very large new electronic = =3D had been installed, with no expense spared. During the demonstration, I = =3D (perhaps rudely) asked the organist to demonstrate c above MidC on both = =3D the Rohr Flute and the Diapason. I followed him by mouth-blowing pipes. = =3D The audience were fascinated. Regards, Ross   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C180C6.E99AC9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Dear Josh,</DIV> <DIV>It's now Sunday afternoon so I can slide in a reply before = someone=3D20 disclares this topic closed.</DIV> <DIV>To you, yes, of course I've heard new electronics, and the local =3D parish=3D20 here has two brand-new allens, each of 2 decks and about 35 speaking =3D stops.=3D20 Still utterly revolting to my ears. I've played every breed of =3D electronic=3D20 instrument possible over the last 40+ years, in answer to your question, = =3D and=3D20 will quickly go to see any new model or make. Otherwise, I would be =3D guilty of=3D20 criticism without foundation. As it is, I do have an informed =3D opinion.</DIV> <DIV>It is certainly true they don't produce music at all, the debate is = =3D about=3D20 whether they can be made to produce beautiful sounds. And I don't =3D believe they=3D20 can, because my ears recoil. The sound from a loudspeaker is NOT the =3D same as a=3D20 sound that isn't, and no pleading can make it the same. The problem is =3D twofold=3D20 -</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;1. my ears are more sensitive than most</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;2. most ears are not sensitive to quality (or lack of =3D it).</DIV> <DIV>People do try to do too much, often, in both pipes and electronics. = =3D I=3D20 wouldn't want a symphony orchestra in my front room, even if I could get = =3D it=3D20 there. I don't want a 3-deck electronic instrument in a church that =3D seats only=3D20 150. All wrong. Too, the music itself must be in scale. I don't want =3D Messiaen or=3D20 Rheinberger or Liszt in a small church, on pipes or electronics. I = want=3D20 something in scale. </DIV> <DIV>I remember an organ I played and heard in Cambridge, England. It =3D was a=3D20 3-deck Willis of about 45 stops in a church that seated only about 140. = =3D The=3D20 organ had a 12-stop unenclosed Positive, and also two pedal 16ft reeds, = =3D one a=3D20 Trombone, the other an Ophicleide. There was even a horizontal Tuba on =3D 12" wind=3D20 in the case. The whole thing was a total obscenity, and I didn't even =3D bother to=3D20 ask myself what it might have sounded like in a 1200-seat church. In =3D London, I=3D20 played an organ of 3 decks and some 48 stops in a church seating about =3D 180.=3D20 Again, an obscenity, though the sound was far finer than the stroppy=3D20 Willis.</DIV> <DIV>And I played a Rushworth &amp; Dreaper, 2 deck tracker of 11 stops, = =3D   untouched since being built in 1886, in a church seating 250. Absolutely = =3D   glorious, gentle sound pervading the whole place. Nothing loud, =3D everything=3D20 blending, perfect for accompanying choir or congregation. No inadequacy = =3D felt=3D20 anywhere.</DIV> <DIV>It's often the comment from electronic-lovers, "The thing must have = =3D been=3D20 poorly-installed." Well, that's no excuse, any more than you can excuse = =3D a=3D20 poorly-voiced genuine organ. An organ is good where it is, or it isn't. =3D And if=3D20 it's too big and too loud, I don't care who made it and how much was =3D spent on=3D20 it, or how clever it is mechanically or any other way.</DIV> <DIV>It is not a question of me being critical or uneducated or not =3D having heard=3D20 the right things. It is a question of who I am. Every time someone =3D criticises a=3D20 certain fast-food chain, the company&nbsp;dares people to try to prove =3D their=3D20 food isn't 100% pure. It may be 100% pure, that was not what was under =3D question,=3D20 but it tastes revolting, like old cardboard, and I can't see why I =3D should have=3D20 to like it. That's called dumbing-down.</DIV> <DIV>Look, you can buy good 2nd-hand instruments, and even have them =3D made up=3D20 from bits and pieces, at far less cost than a new large electronic. I =3D know, for=3D20 example, a fellow in England who has over 1,000 ranks of pipes spare, =3D all=3D20 2nd-hand, occupying an enormous amount of space, that he is happy to =3D hock off at=3D20 one pound sterling a pipe - and that includes 16ft open metals. I know =3D for a=3D20 fact he has over 48 8ft Stopped Diapasons of wood made between 1860 and = =3D 1900,=3D20 just for starters.</DIV> <DIV>OK, the organ resulting would not be ideal, but I'd infinitely =3D prefer that=3D20 to any new electronic. And that's that.</DIV> <DIV>Kids and teenagers and congregations often don't respond to quality = =3D these=3D20 days, because they are not given an example by those who should know =3D better. I=3D20 love making teenagers listen to my AWA radio, complete with electro-mag = =3D 12-inch=3D20 speaker, made in 1932. This thing's magic-eye tuning is still perfect, =3D and the=3D20 whole thing has cost me just one valve repair since I got it in 1968, =3D the year I=3D20 got married. The radio is over 3ft high, 18 inches deep and two feet =3D wide. Why=3D20 do I love making teenagers listen to it? Because of the joy I get =3D watching their=3D20 faces grow in wonderment at the sheer&nbsp;QUALITY of rich tone, and =3D that not=3D20 devoid of treble either. </DIV> <DIV>Not very long ago, I went to a church where a very large new =3D electronic had=3D20 been installed, with no expense spared. During the demonstration, I =3D (perhaps=3D20 rudely) asked the organist to demonstrate c above MidC on both the Rohr = =3D Flute=3D20 and the Diapason. I followed him by mouth-blowing pipes. The audience =3D were=3D20 fascinated.</DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0020_01C180C6.E99AC9C0--      
(back) Subject: First Methodist, Wichita Falls, TX From: <CdyVanpool@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:45:51 EST     FUMC in Wichita Falls is rebuilding and adding on to the = A/S that Nita Akin got in that church. I studied on that organ with Nita in = the 60's. The new (?) organ will be over 200 ranks. I think it is around 80 or = so ranks now. Some of the old ranks will be used..... Floating String chorus, =   The Enchamade Trumpet etc. and all of the pedal will be preserved. Kiyo Watanabe, organist at FUMC, and good friend of mine, also said there will = be a new console .... half- a - million dollar one. I believe there will be 3 =   Walker Digital 32's. I have forgotten who is doing the rebuild and the console..... I will ask him at the next AGO officer's meeting. (Old Timers =   Disease)   Van Vanpool, organist FUMC, Bowie, Texas  
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:52:17 EST     --part1_dc.103cdba1.29442be1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/8/01 7:40:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw writes:     > Um.... Wichita Falls... Wichita Falls, Kansas, perhaps?....Hmmmm > Oops... sorry, should have been more specific... it's TEXas! Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_dc.103cdba1.29442be1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/8/01 7:40:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Um.... Wichita = Falls... &nbsp;Wichita Falls, Kansas, perhaps?....Hmmmm <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Oops... sorry, should have been more specific... = it's TEXas! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_dc.103cdba1.29442be1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: NOT About Pipes and Transistors! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 21:59:19 EST     --part1_183.6325ee.29442d87_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/8/01 8:32:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, manderusa@earthlink.net writes:     > high in the hills over Lake Candlewood, north of Danbury, CT, IT IS > SNOWING!! HARD!! It is dark, and I did not realize what was falling from =   > the sky until the dogs (ah, the dogs, there is another potential Bruce > distraction) came in, all covered in the white stuff!   WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! What a beautiful thought. I = remember going out for a drive in the snow late at night. All I could see was the =   black sky and the white snow in the headlights. It was like being in a = video game. I love it!!!   We used to have fun going for walks in the pasture behind the house. The beags would snap at the snowflakes as they fell. Strolling through the gently falling snow, crunching along in the fresh snowfall, and sipping a piping hot cup of coffee. That is what God intended for winter. My favorite recollection was sitting on the back porch at sunset, with the beautiful colors over the Adirondacks and the snow falling, blowing about = in the wind. Duncan, Miles, and Meghann were cuddled shoulder to shoulder = with their ears blowing in unison and their little noses pointed toward the wonderful scents carried on the wind. And me, of course, sipping = coffee! ;-) And one of the best parts of the scene..... NO SOUND!!!!   Thanks Malcolm.... I'm calm now.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_183.6325ee.29442d87_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#c8e0d8"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 12/8/01 8:32:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, = manderusa@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">high in the hills = over Lake Candlewood, north of Danbury, CT, IT IS SNOWING!! HARD!! It is = dark, and I did not realize what was falling from the sky until the dogs = (ah, the dogs, there is another potential Bruce distraction) came in, all = covered in the white stuff! </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! &nbsp;&nbsp;What a beautiful = thought. &nbsp;I remember going out for a drive in the snow late at night. = &nbsp;&nbsp;All I could see was the black sky and the white snow in the = headlights. &nbsp;It was like being in a video game. &nbsp;I love it!!! <BR> <BR>We used to have fun going for walks in the pasture behind the house. = &nbsp;The beags would snap at the snowflakes as they fell. &nbsp;Strolling = through the gently falling snow, crunching along in the fresh snowfall, = and sipping a piping hot cup of coffee. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That is what God = intended for winter. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My favorite recollection was = sitting on the back porch at sunset, with the beautiful colors over the = Adirondacks and the snow falling, blowing about in the wind. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, and Meghann were cuddled shoulder to shoulder = with their ears blowing in unison and their little noses pointed toward = the wonderful scents carried on the wind. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And me, = of course, sipping coffee! &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR>And one of the best parts of the scene..... &nbsp;&nbsp;NO SOUND!!!! <BR> <BR>Thanks Malcolm.... I'm calm now. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_183.6325ee.29442d87_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: NOT About Pipes and Transistors! From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 22:01:32 EST     --part1_47.14ab63d1.29442e0c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/8/01 8:43:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, = gedeckt@usit.net writes:     > "a digital picture of it all in the morning, so you can remember what it =   > looks > like." > > Digital, DIGITAL! Not the real thing? >   Not the real thing, but at least you don't have to listen to it!!! ;-)   Still calm in balmy FloriDuh! (America's wang!!)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_47.14ab63d1.29442e0c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/8/01 8:43:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, gedeckt@usit.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">"a digital picture = of it all in the morning, so you can remember what it looks <BR>like." <BR> <BR>Digital, DIGITAL! Not the real thing? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Not the real thing, but at least you don't have to listen to it!!! = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Still calm in balmy FloriDuh! &nbsp;(America's wang!!) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_47.14ab63d1.29442e0c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: varous things From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 22:02:01 -0400   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3090693721_262412_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   on 12/8/01 10:33 PM, Ross & Lynda Wards at TheShieling@xtra.co.nz wrote:   I don't want Messiaen or Rheinberger or Liszt in a small church, on pipes or electronics. I want something in scale.         Actually, I think Rheinberger played a smallish organ, and his Trios, Monologues, and Characteristic Pieces are appropriately played on an instrument of modest resources.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       --MS_Mac_OE_3090693721_262412_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: varous things</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> on 12/8/01 10:33 PM, Ross &amp; Lynda Wards at TheShieling@xtra.co.nz = wrote=3D :<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> I don't want Messiaen or Rheinberger or Liszt in a small = churc=3D h, on pipes or electronics. I want something in scale. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Actually, I think Rheinberger played a smallish organ, and his Trios, = Monol=3D ogues, and Characteristic Pieces are appropriately played on an instrument = o=3D f modest resources.<BR> <BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Randy Runyon<BR> Music Director<BR> Zion Lutheran Church<BR> Hamilton, Ohio<BR> runyonr@muohio.edu<BR> <BR> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3090693721_262412_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: Re: Electrotone From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:07:56 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0049_01C18045.8E1F4FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear George,=3D20 Stick around. You contribute so much.,=3D20 Paul ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: GHamil9709@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: Electrotone     Unsubscribe   Almost 79 and Growing Dumber Each Day=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0049_01C18045.8E1F4FC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear George, </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stick = around. =3D You=3D20 contribute so much., </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Paul</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DGHamil9709@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:GHamil9709@aol.com">GHamil9709@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 08, = =3D 2001 5:21=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Electrotone</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"=3D20 size=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF"><B>Unsubscribe<BR><BR>Almost 79 and = Growing =3D Dumber Each=3D20 Day</B></FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0049_01C18045.8E1F4FC0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct From: "John Cormack" <jcorm@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:18:54 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003A_01C18047.160479F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Since electronic organs are dishonest that means all recorded music or =3D voice is dishonest, i.e. one should never listen to recordings whether =3D voice or music because the recording process makes your speaker system =3D sound like the music or voice that was recorded. It is a reproduction =3D rather than the original.   -- John Cormack ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 Subject: Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct     ................. I will always have difficult with an electronic =3D substitute simply because I don't like them and I don't want to play one = =3D because, as instruments, they are deceptive and dishonest. =3D ........................ Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 .........................   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003A_01C18047.160479F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.3315.2870" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Since electronic organs are dishonest = =3D that means=3D20 all recorded music or voice is dishonest, i.e. one should never listen =3D to=3D20 recordings whether voice or music because the recording process makes =3D your=3D20 speaker system sound like the music or voice that was recorded. It is = a=3D20 reproduction rather than the original.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>--</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>John Cormack</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com"=3D20 title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com>Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Teaching Organists = =3D to=3D20 Self-Destruct</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2>.................&nbsp;I will always have difficult with an = =3D electronic=3D20 substitute simply because I don't like them and I don't want to play =3D one=3D20 because, as instruments, they are deceptive and dishonest.=3D20 .......................<BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~=3D20 &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 <BR>.........................</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_003A_01C18047.160479F0--