PipeChat Digest #2553 - Sunday, December 9, 2001
 
RE: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
RE: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: varous things
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
the same argument
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:31:26 -0600   > Personally I have played some recent electronic organs which are very > good indeed.   In the "here we go again" realm...<grin>...   And let's not forget that not every church can AFFORD a pipe organ. = Sorry, but sometimes good stewardship says to use the limited funds wisely and effectively. While I personally favor a pipe instrument, I much would rather have a decent Allen, Rodgers, or Walker as opposed to a synthesizer (which has its own place, but not the primary instrument of worship, = IMHO), a piano (which also is important) or a pipe organ with no tonal resources whatsoever. (Read poorly done)   I have heard the Renaissance organ in a parish not to long ago, and I actually found it to fill the room quite nicely, and realistically. Sure, you never get it exactly like a pipe organ would, but it comes pretty = darned close, and for those without *seriously* trained ears, they don't hear = much of a difference anyway. But, like a pipe organ, the electronic needs to = be adjusted and voiced for the room.   Well, my two cents. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program already in progress. :-)   Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:37:47 -0600   Josh wrote:   >As an organist I think its my duty to make the best of any > organ   Excellent point! As musical leader of the worship service, it isn't HOW = the sound is generated, rather what the purpose of that sound is...leading the congregation in worship. I strongly feel that comes FIRST, then comes the literature of the organ. Now, before you angrily hit "Reply" and get = ready to roast my behind, let me also say that I strongly support said organ literature, and feel that it needs to once again become popular, etc. Churches are not designed to be concert halls, BUT, churches can be used = to hold concerts. GOD is the reason churches exist, He's the reason we go to them, and the Word and Sacrament are what are key. Music is nice, it's great, it's important,...but ... worship can happen without it. So, when the committee says that if we don't want an electronic, then you get nothing...what happens? Churches (or, the term I loathe "worship = centers") are being built all the time without ANY organ, in favor of a synthesizer. There's one right down the street from me...an LCMS congregation on top of it. There are LINES on the floor...which, when you remove the seats, becomes a VOLLEYBALL court!! (So I've been told!) We can argue til we're blue in the face about pipe vs. electronic...but let's not lose sight of = WHY the organ is in the church in the first place. :-)   With much respect, Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:40:17 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C18041.B1436C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bruce said: However, if you bring in a talented voicer/finisher, that ugly pipe organ can be made to sound much better.   Bruce, that also depends on you having full access to the budget to HAVE = the organ revoiced. I don't have that luxury, as I'm sure many here don't. "Why do you want the organ revoiced? It sounds FINE to me!" Spoken like = a true treasurer, no?   :-)   Jeff   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C18041.B1436C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT lang=3D3D0 color=3D3D#000000 =3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2><SPAN class=3D3D040213905-09122001><FONT =3D color=3D3D#0000ff>&nbsp;Bruce=3D20 said:</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D3D0 color=3D3D#000000 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><FONT =3D face=3D3DArial><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2><SPAN class=3D3D040213905-09122001>&nbsp;</SPAN>However, if you = =3D bring in a=3D20 talented voicer/finisher, that ugly pipe organ can be made to sound much = =3D   better.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<SPAN class=3D3D040213905-09122001><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#0000ff>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT =3D lang=3D3D0=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><SPAN = class=3D3D040213905-09122001> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>Bruce, that = also =3D depends on you=3D20 having full access to the budget to HAVE the&nbsp;organ revoiced.&nbsp; = =3D I don't=3D20 have that luxury, as I'm sure many here don't.&nbsp; "Why do you want =3D the organ=3D20 revoiced?&nbsp; It sounds&nbsp;FINE to me!"&nbsp; Spoken like a true =3D treasurer,=3D20 no?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D040213905-09122001><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#0000ff>:-)</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D040213905-09122001><BR>Jeff</SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT =3D face=3D3DArial><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C18041.B1436C60--    
(back) Subject: RE: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:42:47 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C18042.0A57AF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       This never ending argument between the proponents of electronic or pipe organs gets boring, - it was ever thus on this list. Can we not manage = to give the topic a well earned rest, - it will never be resolved.   True, but there are also new people coming on that haven't had that discussion, and may have new input. You never know. Face it, every one = has their opinions, likes and dislikes, etc. You're right...it wont' be resolved. And, as I've said, I'm sure if it were up to most organists, = we'd have 80 ranks on 4 manuals or more....but, too often, it's up to the = dreaded "C" word....a Committee.   I say, let the folks use their freedom of speech. Meanwhile, I'll use my delete key when I tire of this again. :-)   Respectfully, Jeff     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C18042.0A57AF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001>&nbsp;</SPAN>This never ending =3D argument=3D20 between the proponents of electronic or pipe organs gets boring, - it =3D was ever=3D20 thus on this list.&nbsp; Can we not&nbsp; manage to give the topic a =3D well earned=3D20 rest, - it will never be resolved.<BR><SPAN =3D class=3D3D210384005-09122001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#0000ff size=3D3D2>&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>True,=3D20 but there are also new people coming on that haven't had that =3D discussion, and=3D20 may have new input.&nbsp; You never know.&nbsp; Face it, every one has =3D their=3D20 opinions, likes and dislikes, etc.&nbsp; You're right...it wont' be=3D20 resolved.&nbsp; And,&nbsp;as I've said,&nbsp;I'm sure if it were up to =3D most=3D20 organists, we'd have&nbsp;80 ranks on 4 manuals or more....but,&nbsp;too = =3D often,=3D20 it's up to the dreaded "C" word....a =3D Committee.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>I say,=3D20 let the folks use their freedom of speech.&nbsp;&nbsp;Meanwhile, I'll =3D use my=3D20 delete key&nbsp;when I tire of this again. :-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Respectfully,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2>Jeff</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D210384005-09122001></SPAN><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D210384005-09122001>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C18042.0A57AF00--    
(back) Subject: RE: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 23:44:35 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C18042.4B2B2480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Sounds like an educational process is needed here...maybe they just don't realize what they're getting rid of? The church has more money than God, and there is NO reason why they = should discard their pipe organ for an electronic. They CAN afford to have the organ re-voiced ...   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C18042.4B2B2480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D840304305-09122001><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Sounds=3D20 like an educational process is needed here...maybe they just don't =3D realize what=3D20 they're getting rid of?&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid"><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial><FONT size=3D3D2>The church has more money than God, and = =3D there is NO=3D20 reason why they should discard their pipe organ for an =3D electronic.&nbsp; They=3D20 CAN afford to have the organ re-voiced<SPAN =3D class=3D3D840304305-09122001><FONT=3D20 =3D color=3D3D#0000ff>&nbsp;...</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>= =3D </HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C18042.4B2B2480--    
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 21:48:07 -0800   I think you have slid away from the topic a little, Bruce. The comment that prompted my remark was of a hatred of amplified music. I cannot see how anyone with a love of music of any kind can say that and mean it. Amplified music is not necessarily loud. It means all forms of recorded music are out, organ music, orchestral and vocal music. As I said that shuts a lot of doors, and robs a huge number of people of musical enjoyment. Is someone being guilty of generalizing? I said nothing about noise in resaturants or malls, or the "constant natter of recorded stuff.Our friend made no distinction regarding amplified music - just a blanket statement.   B. E.   > Think how much more pleasant out lives would be of many, MANY of those = doors were closed to music that is > amplified. It would be pleasant to sit in a restaurant, ride an = elevator, drive in traffic, and walk through malls without having the > constant natter of recorded "stuff." There would be QUIET!!!! boy, = what a trade-off!!  
(back) Subject: Re: varous things From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 22:17:46 -0800   Given the organ for it, small or large, you can play anything on an organ. We had Dame Gillian Weir in our small Church twice. Her repertoire included Messiaen (The Angels), Ruebke's 94 th Psalm, Caesar Franck, a Bach Trio Sonata and a lot of other pretty florid works including Lizst. It worked beautifully. We also had Thomas Trotter another time and a procession of international organists. The only time I felt disappointed at the result was with one English organist, an academic, expert in the playing of Bach, who really did not come to terms with the limitations of the instrument.   The organ? Six ranks extended with a Horn as the reed on the swell.   The point I am making is that you can play most of the organ repertoire without four decks and a huge stoplist. Rheinberger and Messiaen can go well on a small instrument. Why shouldn't they? You just choose the piece that suits.   > on 12/8/01 10:33 PM, Ross & Lynda Wards at TheShieling@xtra.co.nz > wrote: > > I don't want Messiaen or Rheinberger or Liszt in a small > church, on pipes or electronics. I want something in scale.  
(back) Subject: the same argument From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 22:13:55 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_009C_01C180FE.CAD527A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   One of the reasons I don't like electronics is this, and it is a =3D theological thing you might not agree with, but I assure you it is my =3D own problem and has not come via anyone else. In Biblical terms, and in ancient Greek (not sure about modern Greek) a = =3D hypocrite is someone who does his damndest to convince you he is =3D something he is not. So, a very good actor on a stage, making you =3D believe in the role and the actor being synonoymous, is a wonderful =3D hypocrite. In modern terms, outside the stage, unhappiness results as we = =3D don't like phonies, frauds, con-artists, all of that and more. And I =3D feel electronics are like that - they are frauds, they are not wind =3D instruments. They are sound made through loud-speakers, generated and =3D amplified electrically, attempting to convince you in fact they are wind = =3D instruments when they are not, and never will be, whatever the ability =3D to generate electronic transients, or "whind", or slightly-out-of-phase = =3D tuning and all of that, and however many speakers in the right =3D enclosures there might be. For the same reason as I hate electronics as they are hypocrites, I =3D won't have artificial flowers in a church I am Vicar of, be they of =3D plastic or of the finest silk. They are false, and however "good" they =3D may appear, they are hypocrites and false. I have told flower rosters in = =3D the parishes I've been in that I'd rather have a green pine branch than = =3D a fantastic display of perfect artificial flowers. And I have never =3D allowed a sound system for my liturgical assistants and readers either - = =3D if they cannot learn under my training to produce an adequate voicve =3D without amplification, then they do not have the talent for speaking in = =3D public. I took a funeral in an acoustically-putrid church seating 550 =3D recently. It was a vast civic affair and there were 18 different =3D eulogies, some from professional public speakers. All used the great =3D expensive sound system except me, and the press at the very back of the = =3D church said mine was the only voice they could hear clearly and =3D properly. In the average electronic, it matters not a damn whether you use 1 stop = =3D or ten, 1 note or a 10-note chord plus pedals, you get the sound coming = =3D from the same speakers. In an organ, even the worst the world has ever =3D seen, if you make ten pipes speak, you have ten sound sources, all with = =3D the correct size and shape for those sounds. If you have even just a =3D smallish chorus of 16 ranks, counting reeds plus principals, you will =3D have as many as 160 to 180 sound sources, all at once. The difference in = =3D the sound produced, apart from individual note quality even, is =3D phenomenal. You see, that's another reason why CDs are not there also - = =3D no decent frequency range. I am told by recording engineers here and in = =3D the UK that the quality of vinyl was deliberately reduced from two years = =3D before CDs were introduced, to get people used to the lower standard of = =3D sound quality CDs produced, and that the market would not have found =3D acceptable the jump directly down in one step from vinyl to CD. Sony had = =3D the right idea - they produced a laser to read vinyl lp's. It couldn't =3D be a commercial success, though, as people would have kept their lp's =3D and the record-making industry wanted those lp's replaced, so the Sony =3D machine was dropped. It was a stunner, though, having the linear =3D analogue quality of lp, yet the total absence of surface noise of needle = =3D on vinyl, and the records could not wear out. If you can't have a pipe organ, new or 2nd-hand, even a small one =3D well-placed, then go buy a large grand piano, or even a small one if you = =3D have only $600 or $700, but don't waste money and destroy everything =3D that's lovely by pretending to buy an organ when all you have got is a =3D heap of electronic stuff that has no wind in it and no natural voice. =3D That would not be an organ.=3D20 Malcolm, I feel you will agree. And international star-quality =3D performing like New Zealander Gillian Weir has (no, she is not English =3D or British, never) cannot disguise, to me at least, the foul sound that = =3D electronics make. If you really want to say that means I should scrap my = =3D hi-fi, go ahead and say it, but that's a different issue entirely. That = =3D Glenn Gould pianist was probably one of the few recording folk who =3D preferred to be heard via electronic medium, i.e. recordings, rather =3D than live. And remember this, all his Bach was never ever played on the = =3D instrumnents it was written for, i.e. harpsichord and clavichord, so we = =3D may wonder at his good judgment anyway. I hope I've stirred up the debate again. Regards to all, Ross   ------=3D_NextPart_000_009C_01C180FE.CAD527A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>One of the reasons I don't like electronics is this, and it is a=3D20 theological thing you might not agree with, but I assure you it is my =3D own=3D20 problem and has not come via anyone else.</DIV> <DIV>In Biblical terms, and in ancient Greek (not sure about modern =3D Greek) a=3D20 hypocrite is someone who does his damndest to convince you he is =3D something he is=3D20 not. So, a very good actor on a stage, making you believe in the role =3D and the=3D20 actor being synonoymous, is a wonderful hypocrite. In modern terms, =3D outside the=3D20 stage, unhappiness results as we don't like phonies, frauds, =3D con-artists, all of=3D20 that and more. And I feel electronics are like that - they are frauds, =3D they are=3D20 not wind instruments. They are sound made&nbsp;through loud-speakers, =3D generated=3D20 and amplified electrically, attempting to convince you in fact they are = =3D wind=3D20 instruments when they are not, and never will be, whatever the ability =3D to=3D20 generate electronic transients, or "whind", or slightly-out-of-phase =3D tuning and=3D20 all of that, and however many speakers in the right enclosures there =3D might=3D20 be.</DIV> <DIV>For the same reason as I hate electronics as they are hypocrites, I = =3D won't=3D20 have artificial flowers in a church I am Vicar of, be they of plastic or = =3D of the=3D20 finest silk. They are false, and however "good" they may appear, they =3D are=3D20 hypocrites and false. I have told flower rosters in the parishes I've =3D been in=3D20 that I'd rather have a green pine branch than a fantastic display of =3D perfect=3D20 artificial flowers. And I have never allowed a sound system for my =3D liturgical=3D20 assistants and readers either - if they cannot learn under my training =3D to=3D20 produce an adequate voicve without amplification, then they do not have = =3D the=3D20 talent for speaking in public. I took a funeral in an =3D acoustically-putrid church=3D20 seating 550 recently. It was a vast civic affair and there were 18 =3D different=3D20 eulogies, some from professional public speakers. All used the great =3D expensive=3D20 sound system except me, and the press at the very back of the church =3D said mine=3D20 was the only voice they could hear clearly and properly.</DIV> <DIV>In the average electronic, it matters not a damn whether you use 1 = =3D stop or=3D20 ten, 1 note or a 10-note chord plus pedals, you get the sound coming =3D from the=3D20 same speakers. In an organ, even the worst the world has ever seen, if =3D you make=3D20 ten pipes speak, you have ten sound sources, all with the correct size =3D and shape=3D20 for those sounds. If you have even just a smallish chorus of 16 ranks, =3D counting=3D20 reeds plus principals, you will have as many as 160 to 180 sound =3D sources, all at=3D20 once. The difference in the sound produced, apart from individual note =3D quality=3D20 even, is phenomenal. You see, that's another reason why CDs are not =3D there also -=3D20 no decent frequency range. I am told by recording engineers here and in = =3D the UK=3D20 that the quality of vinyl was deliberately reduced from two years before = =3D CDs=3D20 were introduced, to get people used to the lower standard of sound =3D quality CDs=3D20 produced, and that the market would not have found acceptable the jump =3D directly=3D20 down in one step from vinyl to CD. Sony had the right idea - they =3D produced a=3D20 laser to read vinyl lp's. It couldn't be a commercial success, though, =3D as people=3D20 would have kept their lp's and the record-making industry wanted those =3D lp's=3D20 replaced, so the Sony machine was dropped. It was a stunner, though, =3D having the=3D20 linear analogue quality of lp, yet the total absence of surface noise of = =3D needle=3D20 on vinyl, and the records could not wear out.</DIV> <DIV>If you can't have a pipe organ, new or 2nd-hand, even a small = one=3D20 well-placed, then go buy a large grand piano, or even a small one if you = =3D have=3D20 only $600 or $700, but don't waste money and destroy everything that's =3D lovely by=3D20 pretending to buy an organ when all you have got is a heap of electronic = =3D stuff=3D20 that has no wind in it and no natural voice. That would not be an=3D20 organ.&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Malcolm, I feel you will agree. And international star-quality =3D performing=3D20 like New Zealander Gillian Weir has (no, she is not English or British, = =3D never)=3D20 cannot disguise, to me at least, the foul sound that electronics make. =3D If you=3D20 really want to say that means I should scrap my hi-fi, go ahead and say = =3D it, but=3D20 that's a different issue entirely. That Glenn Gould pianist was probably = =3D one of=3D20 the few recording folk who preferred to be heard via electronic medium, = =3D i.e.=3D20 recordings, rather than live. And remember this, all his Bach was never = =3D ever=3D20 played on the instrumnents it was written for, i.e. harpsichord=3D20 and&nbsp;clavichord, so we may wonder at his good judgment anyway.</DIV> <DIV>I hope I've stirred up the debate again.</DIV> <DIV>Regards to all,</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_009C_01C180FE.CAD527A0--