PipeChat Digest #2554 - Sunday, December 9, 2001
 
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by <mts@intergrafix.net>
Re: varous things
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
RE: vairous things
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: varous things
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: the same argument
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....[long]
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
Re: varous things
  by "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk>
Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: varous things
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
DECK THE HALLS???
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: <mts@intergrafix.net> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 06:03:01 -0500   On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 18:22:19 EST Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote: >Bruce, what makes you so WISE! >LOL. Just have fun!     Must be the beagles. I have a yellow labb and feel quite sage-like. I'm already bald either because of infinite wisdom or voicing too many trompettes.   Chris  
(back) Subject: Re: varous things From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 04:37:11 -0800   Oh dear! I spelt Cesar Franck like Julius Caesar!!! My humble apologies!!! Bob Elms.   Bob Elms wrote: > > Given the organ for it, small or large, you can play anything on an > organ. We had Dame Gillian Weir in our small Church twice. Her > repertoire included Messiaen (The Angels), Ruebke's 94 th Psalm, Caesar > Franck, a Bach Trio Sonata and a lot of other pretty florid works > including Lizst. I  
(back) Subject: RE: vairous things From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 06:42:39 -0600   I agree with Bob Elms - the test of a truly good organist is what he/she can do on a small instrument, how he/she can deliver a world of wonderful repertoire at a tiny instrument or an instrument not of the Mander rank of excellence and without 4 manuals and 150 ranks and couplers. When an organist sits down at St. Agatha's and starts complaining, I know he/she ain't got it. And when a recitalist here does nothing but tired baroque tiddly-winks, there again is the proof in the pudding.   Without a vision the musician and the people perish.   Glenda Sutton   P.S. I added an "I" in "various" in the title (albeit in the wrong spot - I know!) - if the original writer meant "varous", my apologies. I couldn't find the latter in the dictionary, so thought it might be an organ thingy!          
(back) Subject: Re: varous things From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 06:56:18 -0600   I thought it was Caesar as in Caesar Augustus, not Julius Caesar, since = his name was Cesar Auguste Franck. <g>   John Speller   Bob Elms wrote:   > Oh dear! I spelt Cesar Franck like Julius Caesar!!! My humble > apologies!!! > Bob Elms. > > Bob Elms wrote: > > > > Given the organ for it, small or large, you can play anything on an > > organ. We had Dame Gillian Weir in our small Church twice. Her > > repertoire included Messiaen (The Angels), Ruebke's 94 th Psalm, = Caesar > > Franck, a Bach Trio Sonata and a lot of other pretty florid works > > including Lizst. I > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: the same argument From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 05:09:09 -0800   No Ross, you haven't! That's just too complicated for me. Life has to be simpler than that! I am going back to sleep! Bob Elms   > Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: > > One of the reasons I don't like electronics is this, and it is a > theological thing you might not agree with, but I assure you it is my > own problem and has not come via anyone else. > In Biblical terms, and in ancient Greek (not sure about modern Greek) > a hypocrite is someone who does his damndest to convince you he is > something he is not. So, a very good actor on a stage, making you > believe in the role and the actor being synonoymous, issni[pt they are > wind instruments when they are not, and never will be, whatever the > ability to generate electronic transients, or "whind", or > slightly-out-of-phase tuning and all of that, and however many > speakers in the right enclosures there might be. > For the same reason as I hate electronics as they are hypocrites,  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....[long] From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:54:25 -0000   Sir Bruce of Cornely writes:- > --------------- > Strange that you can understand people having an antipathy toward electronics > because they are seen as a threat to the real thing, but what about people > who have an antipathy toward them because they SOUND AWFUL!!!! or more > politely, because we don't care for the sound > -----------------   Some time ago I essayed a small thread which may have been here, or perhaps it was on Organchat, I don't remember now. I offered that it could profit us to think in terms not only of the quality of sound, but equally, that we should consider the quality of hearing. It is a sad fact that for the greater majority of us, silence is unknown. Most of us were born into a world where background noise of varying degrees and intensities were, and are constants. How many of you, right this minute, are sitting in silence? If you live in an urban area, your chances of this are about zero. If you live in a family situation, then your chances are probably somewhat less than zero :-). Man-made background noise is an insidious and damaging thing. We have to blank it out of our consciousness ........or, (particularly if we are musicians), we go mad.   Reach out now, pick up a music cd, and pop it in the tray. As it starts to play, ask yourself what has happened to the fan noise from your computer case, the cd drive sounds, the traffic noise from outside, etc., etc., etc.. Nothing has happened to them, they still are there, and with conscious effort, you probably can identify them, together with the sounds of Kings College Choir giving Holly and Ivy a good workout, or whatever is on top of your stack at the moment.   Here, in the depths of the countryside, we have our own background noise. Wind, sheep, birds, cattle, dogs, tractor, (a few times a year). The sound of a car here means that someone is coming to our house. An emergency vehicle siren would have us dashing around, counting heads to see which of us is in trouble! The point about *our* background sounds is that they all have meaning and significance. They are necessary to an understanding of what is happening in our immediate surrounding. The wind sounds are never constant, varying minute by minute. Sheep noises vary from the virtual silence of autumn, to a veritable cacophony in the new year as the lambs begin to appear. Cattle have their 'time of the day' things to say, and, if I dare to be a little indelicate, a quite spectacular rendition of "Come and get me Bully Boy, I'm Ready, RIGHT NOW"! Our resident blackbird tells us in no uncertain terms that our cat is back in the garden, whilst robin seems perpetually to be warning off other robins from his little patch.The rooks come back home exactly half an hour before sunset, and shout at each other for some reason that only crows know about..   "Oh for goodness sake Christopher, you'll be breaking into verse in a minute!! "   Yeah, yeah, OK.   We are fortunate indeed not to live where background noise is a persistent and constant drone which must be subtracted from our perceptions.   What I am trying to get to, is that in the presence of a sound, each of us hears something different. And 'presence' is a particularly apt word here. Pipe organs have 'presence'. Even when switched off, air currents move around an organ chamber, changing temperatures causing updrafts of warm air, cooling and falling at different rates around metal or wooden pipework. Cold air dropping down the walls into warmer air and all happening around a mass of resonating tubes. And that is where we have to acknowledge the influence of our 'quality of hearing'. Some people simply do not have the sense of this presence. They do not hear it, they do not feel it. They do not 'sense' it. Some people do, and the Hon. Bruce De Beagleville is one of 'em.   And remember, we haven't even switched the thing on yet. Do this, and the instrument comes alive. Before even a note is played, the pipe organ is a living thing. For me, there is no more evocative sound in the universe, than that of the reservoirs creaking as they fill, the odd little whimper as a pallet realises it should be shut, and not resting on its weak spring. [Oh blimey, here we go again, get out the violins], the 'shuffft' of the sliders, or 'thlock' of the tubular pneumatic action as stops are selected, are all part of the 'presence'. But above this, and beyond all other aspects of 'presence', is the sensory thrill of air movement in and around the chamber. It is not a constant, being affected by temperature, atmospheric pressure, number of people in the building, doors open or closed and so on and so forth. The pipes speak into this constantly changing 'presence', and the result is a sound which, if one is sensitive to its components, is utterly unique - not only in its instrumental type, but also unique for today, as opposed to yesterday....... or tomorrow.   The frustration in all this is that those who have no sense of this unique 'presence', deny that it exists. Whilst those of us who can hear it, sense it, whatever, simply do not understand why others cannot. And while to some of us, the quality of a sound from a speaker, is instantly distinguishable from that of pipes, to others, the sound is the same, or nearly so. One could assume that the ability to ignore background effect is being employed by those able to do it, whilst those who hear, or sense, *all* the components of their surroundings are not able to do this. [sorry,complete failure of syntax!]   Of course, under the theoreticals of all this runs an undercurrent of (for want of a better word) resentment. The craft and art of organ building is rooted throughout most of a millennium. For good or ill, an organ builder from say, the year 1685, (surely the most important year in the whole history of organs!) could walk into a modern day pipe organ workshop and build an organ from what he finds there. But, of equal significance, a modern day organ builder could walk into a 1685 organ building shop and do exactly the same thing. He might have problem or two plugging in the blower, but beyond that...........   This continuity of traditional craftsmanship and artistry is held in complete dripping awe by us pipe nuts, even more so by those with that particular quality of hearing which so often infuriates those who don't experience it in the same way. The 'resentment' I mentioned, is probably as much to do with a failure of the English language as anything else. To the pipe organ faithful, the term "organ building" has, as I said earlier, a resonance going back more than a millennium. In many ways, rightly or wrongly, we cannot equate the manufacture of electronic instruments with this tradition, art or craft. There is a feeling in the pipe organ environment that the term 'organ builder' is usurped by this quite different modern technology of electronics. I confess that to a large extent, I subscribe to this. It is a great shame that no term of (perceived) equal integrity exists for the electronic organ maker. Not for one second do I accuse the electronic organ makers of lack of integrity, indeed, I wish that the pipe organ world had more people with the integrity and credibility of Ernest Hart, for example. But perception is everything, and the electronic organ establishment will I suspect always suffer from it. Also, it really is about time that the electronic organ competed within its own industry. To compare itself to a pipe organ reinforces itself as the diminutive. By overt implication, such a self-advertised comparison declares the pipe organ to be the better instrument. The negative aspect is emphasised.   For me, eight ranks of pipes will always be immeasurably preferable to fifty stops of electronics, simply because as someone much my better has said, I don't like the sound of electronics. Perhaps by this, we actually mean the lack of 'presence'. Always there will be those who do not hear or experience that presence, and who think that pipe nuts are engaging in retro-faddery. When what is actually happening, is that we are hearing differently.We can 'hear' the speakers, whilst others only hear the sounds coming out of them. I see no resolution to this.   Chris B    
(back) Subject: Re: varous things From: "Chris Baker" <chorale@clara.co.uk> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:07:51 -0000   From: Ross & Lynda Wards Subject: various things   > -----------   And I played a Rushworth & Dreaper, 2 deck tracker of 11 stops, untouched since being built in 1886, in a church seating 250. Absolutely glorious, gentle sound pervading the whole place. Nothing loud, everything blending, perfect for accompanying choir or congregation. No inadequacy felt anywhere.   > -----------   Jealousy is a fearful and dangerous emotion which I am wholly unable to control....... Stay right where you are, I'm coming to kill you. <GG>   Chris B   I used to play a three-decker Lewis in St Saviours, Toxteth. Liverpool 8 I can still (after forty years) hear that pedal Violoncello. Ummmmmm.      
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:04:51 EST     --part1_bf.184e2a4e.2944f3b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/9/01 12:20:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcorm@bellatlantic.net writes:     > Since electronic organs are dishonest that means all recorded music or = voice > is dishonest, i.e. one should never listen to recordings whether voice = or > music because the recording process makes your speaker system sound like =   > the music or voice that was recorded. It is a reproduction rather than = the > original. >   Recordings are not dishonest... They are what they say they are... RECORDINGS. And, for the record, as almost everyone already knows, I don't = particularly enjoy listening to recording because I don't like amplified sound. = PERIOD!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_bf.184e2a4e.2944f3b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/9/01 12:20:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcorm@bellatlantic.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Since electronic = organs are dishonest that means all recorded music or voice is dishonest, = i.e. one should never listen to recordings whether voice or music because = the recording process makes your speaker system sound like the music or = voice that was recorded. It is a reproduction rather than the original. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Recordings are not dishonest... &nbsp;&nbsp;They are what they say = they are... RECORDINGS. <BR>And, for the record, as almost everyone already knows, I don't = particularly enjoy listening to recording because I don't like amplified = sound. &nbsp;PERIOD! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_bf.184e2a4e.2944f3b3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:07:29 EST     --part1_12.16df633a.2944f451_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/9/01 12:37:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes:     > As musical leader of the worship service, it isn't HOW the > sound is generated, rather what the purpose of that sound is...leading = the > congregation in worship. I strongly feel that comes FIRST, then comes = the > literature of the organ.   I totally agree. IF leading the congregation in worship comes first, = then you would do better to have a two or three rank principal chorus ONLY. = The purpose of the sound is to lead singing, then you should have the BEST = sound.   Vive 'la Scuddemore!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_12.16df633a.2944f451_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/9/01 12:37:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">As musical leader = of the worship service, it isn't HOW the <BR>sound is generated, rather what the purpose of that sound is...leading = the <BR>congregation in worship. &nbsp;I strongly feel that comes FIRST, then = comes the <BR>literature of the organ. &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I totally agree. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IF leading the congregation in = worship comes first, then you would do better to have a two or three rank = principal chorus ONLY. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The purpose of the sound is to = lead singing, then you should have the BEST sound. <BR> <BR>Vive 'la Scuddemore! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_12.16df633a.2944f451_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:08:51 EST     --part1_f2.134e02c4.2944f4a3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/9/01 12:39:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes:     > Bruce, that also depends on you having full access to the budget to HAVE = the > organ revoiced. I don't have that luxury, as I'm sure many here don't. =   > "Why do you want the organ revoiced? It sounds FINE to me!" Spoken = like a > true treasurer, no?   Fine, but if it sounds fine to the treasurer, why get it replaced with an electronic? If you're going to spend money do it responsibly.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_f2.134e02c4.2944f4a3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/9/01 12:39:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">Bruce, that also depends on you having full access to the budget to = HAVE the organ revoiced. &nbsp;I don't have that luxury, as I'm sure many = here don't. &nbsp;"Why do you want the organ revoiced? &nbsp;It sounds = FINE to me!" &nbsp;Spoken like a true treasurer, no?</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Fine, but if it sounds fine to the treasurer, why get it replaced with = an electronic? <BR>If you're going to spend money do it responsibly. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f2.134e02c4.2944f4a3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:10:23 EST     --part1_f9.13ededbe.2944f4ff_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/9/01 12:42:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes:     > And, as I've said, I'm sure if it were up to most organists, we'd have = 80 > ranks on 4 manuals or more...   Herein lies much of the problem. Too many organists want TOO MUCH = regardless of the circumstances. If organists in small parishes would scales their programs and desires down to fit the situation everyone would be better = off!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_f9.13ededbe.2944f4ff_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/9/01 12:42:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">And, as I've said, I'm sure if it were up to most organists, we'd = have 80 ranks on 4 manuals or more...</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Herein lies much of the problem. &nbsp;Too many organists want TOO = MUCH regardless of the circumstances. &nbsp;&nbsp;If organists in small = parishes would scales their programs and desires down to fit the situation = everyone would be better off! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f9.13ededbe.2944f4ff_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:14:59 EST     --part1_c6.3189d8c.2944f613_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/9/01 12:51:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > I think you have slid away from the topic a little, Bruce. The comment > that prompted my remark was of a hatred of amplified music. I cannot see > how anyone with a love of music of any kind can say that and mean it. > Amplified music is not necessarily loud. It means all forms of recorded > music are out, organ music, orchestral and vocal music.   Not really, I said MANY of the doors would be better off shut, not all. Sometimes I enjoy listening to a CD, but not often.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_c6.3189d8c.2944f613_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/9/01 12:51:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think you have = slid away from the topic a little, Bruce. The comment <BR>that prompted my remark was of a hatred of amplified music. I cannot = see <BR>how anyone with a love of music of any kind can say that and mean it. <BR>Amplified music is not necessarily loud. &nbsp;It means all forms of = recorded <BR>music are out, organ music, orchestral and vocal music.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Not really, I said MANY of the doors would be better off shut, not = all. &nbsp;&nbsp;Sometimes I enjoy listening to a CD, but not often. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c6.3189d8c.2944f613_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: varous things From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:16:37 EST     --part1_178.73af77.2944f675_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/9/01 1:20:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > The point I am making is that you can play most of the organ repertoire > without four decks and a huge stoplist. Rheinberger and Messiaen can go > well on a small instrument. Why shouldn't they? You just choose the > piece that suits. >   I agree, but will add that really great music speaks for itself and is not =   dependent upon a particular registration. Most great organ music is = still great, even on a single Open Diapason!     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_178.73af77.2944f675_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/9/01 1:20:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The point I am = making is that you can play most of the organ repertoire <BR>without four decks and a huge stoplist. Rheinberger and Messiaen can = go <BR>well on a small instrument. Why shouldn't they? You just choose the <BR>piece that suits. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I agree, but will add that really great music speaks for itself and is = not dependent upon a particular registration. &nbsp;&nbsp;Most great organ = music is still great, even on a single Open Diapason! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_178.73af77.2944f675_boundary--  
(back) Subject: DECK THE HALLS??? From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:20:01 EST   Pardon my ignorance, but when did a manual become a "deck"?   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck Editor The Journal of American Organbuilding