PipeChat Digest #2555 - Sunday, December 9, 2001
 
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Rheinberger Trios
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Perception and Deceptions
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2551 - 12/08/01
  by "Jenny and Martin Setchell" <setchell@paradise.net.nz>
Re: DECK THE HALLS???
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs....
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct (a reply to a reply)
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
sounds
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: First Methodist, Wichita Falls, TX
  by "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com>
A welcome find!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:20:55 EST     --part1_8b.106469c7.2944f777_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/9/01 6:03:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, mts@intergrafix.net writes:     > . I'm already bald either because of infinite > wisdom or voicing too many trompettes. > >   It's the "hair splitting" chamades!!! Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_8b.106469c7.2944f777_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/9/01 6:03:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, mts@intergrafix.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. I'm already bald = either because of infinite <BR>wisdom or voicing too many trompettes. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>It's the "hair splitting" chamades!!! <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_8b.106469c7.2944f777_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Rheinberger Trios From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:22:26 EST   The Rheinberger Trios: Good teaching pieces, especially when teaching independent phrasing of melodies. Beautiful pieces for all occasions. Playable on any organ with two manuals and pedal, which is most of 'em. SMG  
(back) Subject: Perception and Deceptions From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 12:30:23 EST   jcorm@bellatlantic.net writes:   "Since electronic organs are dishonest that means all recorded music or = voice is dishonest, i.e. one should never listen to recordings whether voice or music because the recording process makes your speaker system sound like = the music or voice that was recorded. It is a reproduction rather than the original."   This is quite a manipulation of the point, but it is used frequently in defense of digital devices. My response:   CDs, Video tapes, and vinyl recordings do NOT claim to be the real thing. They are not an attempt to replace real orchestras, nor do their manufacturers claim that they render live performances obsolete. There is = no intent to deceive or fool, and ABSOLUTELY NO CLAIMS that it is "as good as =   the real thing," save the old, tongue-in cheek Memorex ads.   Once again, we are the ONLY allegedly serious classical musicians who do this. Obviously, it is what organists want. But they must choose between a =   lifetime of feeling victimized and not being taken seriously, being considered outside the sphere of serious musicians, OT they must stick to their guns and jump on the digital bandwagon with all their hearts, and be =   satisfied with their status  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2551 - 12/08/01 From: "Jenny and Martin Setchell" <setchell@paradise.net.nz> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:33:40 +1300   Hi Pipe chatters, to change the most recent threads completely, this is to let you know that there are now 3 different pipe organ screensavers for PC (sorry Mac users - I've been looking for a suitable creator for Macs but can't find anything) up on www.nzorgan.com, free for download. Also there is a competition (which is fairly simple collection of organ composers names made into anagrams which you have to untangle) for December which might earn you a CD for Christmas!   Cheers Jenny in soggy New Zealand mailto:setchell@paradise.net.nz   www.nzorgan.com    
(back) Subject: Re: DECK THE HALLS??? From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:18:16 +1300   No satisfactory answer to your question from NZ, though I've heard that slangy expression for 40 years now. It is probably a WurliTzer term. Ross -----Original Message----- From: TubaMagna@aol.com <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, December 10, 2001 6:20 AM Subject: DECK THE HALLS???     >Pardon my ignorance, but when did a manual become a "deck"? > >Sebastian Matthaus Gluck >Editor >The Journal of American Organbuilding > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs.... From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:13:52 -0600     --------------36D8F0D7FDAB5DBBEBAFB4E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 12/9/01 12:42:07 AM Eastern > Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes: > > > >> And, as I've said, I'm sure if it were up to >> most organists, we'd have 80 ranks on 4 >> manuals or more... > > Herein lies much of the problem. Too many > organists want TOO MUCH regardless of the > circumstances. If organists in small parishes > would scales their programs and desires down to > fit the situation everyone would be better off! >   Or as Canon Sydney Smith told Thomas Attwood, organist of St. Paul's Cathedral in the early nineteenth-century, "You organists are like overworked cab horses -- always looking for another stop!"   John Speller   --------------36D8F0D7FDAB5DBBEBAFB4E9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE><FONT FACE=3D"arial,helvetica"><FONT SIZE=3D-1>In = a message dated 12/9/01 12:42:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net = writes:</FONT></FONT> <BR>&nbsp; <BR>&nbsp; <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><FONT = FACE=3D"Arial"><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D-1>And, as I've said, I'm sure if it were up to most organists, we'd have 80 ranks on 4 manuals or more...</FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>   <P><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"><FONT SIZE=3D-1>Herein = lies much of the problem.&nbsp; Too many organists want TOO MUCH regardless of the circumstances.&nbsp;&nbsp; If organists in small parishes would scales their programs and desires down to fit the situation everyone would be better off!</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE> Or as Canon Sydney Smith told Thomas Attwood, organist of St. Paul's = Cathedral in the early nineteenth-century, "You organists are like overworked cab horses -- always looking for another stop!" <P>John Speller</HTML>   --------------36D8F0D7FDAB5DBBEBAFB4E9--    
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching Organists to Self-Destruct (a reply to a reply) From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:19:01 EST     --part1_33.1f5e113a.29450515_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/9/2001 12:20:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcorm@bellatlantic.net writes:     > Since electronic organs are dishonest that means all recorded music or = voice > is dishonest, i.e. one should never listen to recordings whether voice = or > music because the recording process makes your speaker system sound like =   > the music or voice that was recorded. It is a reproduction rather than = the > original. > >   What John Cormack said is true, that a recording it is a reproduction. = THERE IS THE DIFFERENCE!!! Digital organs, no matter what brand, are NOT sold = as being reproductions, they are being represented by their vendors as THE = REAL THING, and for many of us THAT is the rub. Selling a recording AS a = recording is NOT the same as selling a recording, digital or otherwise, as the REAL thing is dishonest, NO MATTER how you slice the pie!   Rick in VA   --part1_33.1f5e113a.29450515_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/9/2001 12:20:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcorm@bellatlantic.net = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Since electronic = organs are dishonest that means all recorded music or voice is dishonest, = i.e. one should never listen to recordings whether voice or music because = the recording process makes your speaker system sound like the music or = voice that was recorded. It is a reproduction rather than the = original.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>What John Cormack said is true, that a recording it is a reproduction. = THERE IS THE DIFFERENCE!!! &nbsp;Digital organs, no matter what brand, are = NOT sold as being reproductions, they are being represented by their = vendors as THE REAL THING, and for many of us THAT is the rub. Selling a = recording AS a recording is NOT the same as selling a recording, digital = or otherwise, as the REAL thing is dishonest, NO MATTER how you slice the = pie! <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_33.1f5e113a.29450515_boundary--  
(back) Subject: sounds From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 08:00:25 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0040_01C18150.B9611A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Chris B, You've apologised for being semi-poetic (OK, fully poetic) about sound =3D and you've done it in a way I can understand absolutely 2000%, but =3D others may not. Don't apologise, but take my thanks. The wee tracker organ I mentioned was in Aycliffe Village, Co.Durham. It = =3D was (still is!) a 15th century Gothic church, largely, but had bits of =3D Saxon still. It was a thrill to stay with the Vicar's Warden and be =3D asked to play for the Sunday service at 10am. A piece of boarding =3D covered in carpet, about 3ft square, completely covered the pedals so =3D they could not be even seen. I lifted this off when I played for the =3D Service. Afterwards, talking to the organist, I asked her why the pedals = =3D were covered up. Her reply, "I didn't know what those stick things were = =3D for when I began playing for services here 47 years ago. More important = =3D to me, tell me why this stop labelled 16 Bourdon won't go? Do you think = =3D something is broken? Too, these other three stops don't produce any =3D sound when I put my hands on the keys - Swell to Great, Swell to Pedal, = =3D Great to Pedal. I don't like this other thing, Tremulant, that shakes =3D the entire organ and does weird things to the sound. Oh, yes, where did = =3D that beautiful very deep sound come from?" So, for almost half a century = =3D she had never once used the pedals, nor couplers, nor the Tremulant. I =3D found, after that half-century of negelect and the organ being, as I =3D said, from 1886, that only one pedal pneumatic didn't work, probably =3D burst, and that was a high note anyway. The organ was something like this GREAT SWELL 8 Open Diapason 8 Lieblich Gedackt 8 Stopped Diapason 8 Gamba (TenC) 8 Dulciana 4 Gemshorn=3D20 4 Principal 2 Piccolo 2 Fifteenth 8 Oboe (CC) . Mixture II (19.22)   plus the usual Pedal 16 Bourdon. Oh indeed, a treasure beyond compare, =3D and the building with it. When leaving, I was given a 14th century stone = =3D finial from the top of the tower, a piece about 9 inches high, that had = =3D been replaced through weathering many years before.=3D20 Your understanding of sound is like mine, I feel. I've taken people near me (when I lived in Wellington) to a local dense = =3D forest that has a stream running through it, and asked them to sit with = =3D me on the wee wooden bridge about 20ft long, six feet wide, about three = =3D feet above the water, and describe what they hear. Most say "nothing", =3D one or two heard birds, a very occasional one say "the stream", but no =3D one hears, as I always do, the utterly magnificent stereo music of one =3D "channel" (upstream) with the other "channel" (downstream). I lie on the = =3D centre of that little bridge, at right angles to it to get the =3D "channels" perfectly in each ear, and can listen for hours. And =3D gradually take in the background "noise" of birdsong, wind in the trees, = =3D the very remote sound of city hum, an occasional walker coming past with = =3D or without dog, maybe a child with Mum, even whirring insects.=3D20 I think, apart from other thoughts, in a place like that I understand =3D Jesus's words that unless we become like little children we cannot enter = =3D the Kingdom of Heaven. Small children will listen like that on a bridge = =3D listening to water trickling, until we have as adults blasted their ears = =3D to insensitivity in city noises, all the racket of "progressive and =3D modern and technological" living and the kids, by then teenagers, have =3D ceased to hear and listen. In the same way, it makes me recoil to see people with books and radio =3D and walkmans on the beach. We live 7 mins.walk from the beach now, and =3D my wife of 34 years and I have never, ever, once taken anything like =3D books or radios to the beach. That would be sacrilege, call it what you = =3D will, to overlay the beach and everything there.=3D20 The same in church. If my ears tell me electronically-generated and =3D electronically-amplified sounds are disgusting, and that a recorder =3D (fipple flute kind, I mean) or an unamplified human speaking voice, or =3D the sound of a hammer hitting a metal string (a piano) are beautiful, no = =3D one, but no one, can ever tell me otherwise in a way that can make me =3D believe it. Let me continue. I loathe it when I see an advertisement in the =3D newspaper, "FOR SALE, used piano, good condition, suit learner, $50." =3D You just know it is a heap of junk. And I can't stand it when people =3D say, "I'll get an electronic keyboard for the first two years. If Johnny = =3D continues to learn, I might buy a proper piano." That way, you'll kill =3D any sensitivity and interest before it even begins. A good friend, a lady in her late 60s, is an exceptionally fine pianist = =3D (won first-equal the NZ National Concerto Competition with Gillian Weir = =3D co-first many years ago, when my friend was just 17) and was an organist = =3D at my last parish. About a year ago, a 7-yr-old boy was brought to her =3D to begin piano lessons. By accident, the kid brushed 16ft CCC on the =3D Steinway grand. He was transfixed, and played it again, softly, head on = =3D one side, over and over again for ten minutes before coming out of his =3D "trance." My friend said straight away, "He will be a good pupil and a =3D fine musician." Just imagine the devastation and lost opportunity if =3D that sensitive wee soul had been cut off from music for ever if by =3D chance he struck 16ft CCC on something electronic instead and =3D experienced its ugliness and artificiality! Yes, I've gone on far too long. Technicians can play electronic =3D instruments and love them, and they may do so with flair, finesse, good = =3D sense of rhythm and fine manual (and pedal) dexterity, but that only =3D makes them one kind of musician, not the kind that loves sheer beauty of = =3D tone for its own sake and hears all those things that Chris B and I have = =3D been referring to. The musician I'm talking about will be utterly =3D delighted on a wee piece of Byrd played on a simple 8ft stopt wooden =3D flute, but recoil at anything electronic.=3D20 Kind regards, Ross   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0040_01C18150.B9611A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Chris B,</DIV> <DIV>You've apologised for being semi-poetic (OK, fully poetic) about =3D sound and=3D20 you've done it in a way I can understand absolutely 2000%, but others =3D may not.=3D20 Don't apologise, but take my thanks.</DIV> <DIV>The wee tracker organ I mentioned was in Aycliffe Village, =3D Co.Durham. It=3D20 was (still is!) a 15th century Gothic church, largely, but had bits of =3D Saxon=3D20 still. It was a thrill to stay with the Vicar's Warden and be asked to =3D play for=3D20 the Sunday service at 10am. A piece of boarding covered in carpet, about = =3D 3ft=3D20 square, completely covered the pedals so they could not be even seen. I = =3D lifted=3D20 this off when I played for the Service. Afterwards, talking to the =3D organist, I=3D20 asked her why the pedals were covered up. Her reply, "I didn't know what = =3D those=3D20 stick things were for when I began playing for services here 47 years =3D ago. More=3D20 important to me, tell me why this stop labelled 16 Bourdon won't go? Do = =3D you=3D20 think something is broken? Too, these other three stops don't produce =3D any sound=3D20 when I put my hands on the keys - Swell to Great, Swell to Pedal, Great = =3D to=3D20 Pedal. I don't like this other thing, Tremulant, that shakes the entire = =3D organ=3D20 and does weird things to the sound. Oh, yes, where did that beautiful =3D very deep=3D20 sound come from?" So, for almost half a century she had never once used = =3D the=3D20 pedals, nor couplers, nor the Tremulant. I found, after that =3D half-century of=3D20 negelect and the organ being, as I said, from 1886, that only one = pedal=3D20 pneumatic didn't work, probably burst, and that was a high note =3D anyway.</DIV> <DIV>The organ was something like this</DIV> <DIV>GREAT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;=3D20 SWELL</DIV> <DIV>8 Open Diapason&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 8&nbsp;Lieblich Gedackt</DIV> <DIV>8 Stopped Diapason&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; =3D Gamba=3D20 (TenC)</DIV> <DIV>8=3D20 Dulciana&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= =3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4=3D20 Gemshorn&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>4 Principal&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = =3D   &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;Piccolo</DIV> <DIV>2 Fifteenth&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 8 Oboe (CC)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;.&nbsp; Mixture II (19.22)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>plus the usual Pedal 16 Bourdon. Oh indeed, a treasure beyond =3D compare, and=3D20 the building with it. When leaving, I was given a 14th century stone =3D finial from=3D20 the top of the tower, a piece about 9 inches high, that had been =3D replaced=3D20 through weathering many years before. </DIV> <DIV>Your understanding of sound is like mine, I feel.</DIV> <DIV>I've taken people near me (when I lived in Wellington) to a local =3D dense=3D20 forest that has a stream running through it, and asked them to sit with = =3D me on=3D20 the wee wooden bridge about 20ft long, six feet wide, about&nbsp;three =3D feet=3D20 above the water, and describe what they hear. Most say "nothing", one or = =3D two=3D20 heard birds, a very occasional one say "the stream", but no one hears, =3D as I=3D20 always do, the utterly magnificent stereo music of one "channel" =3D (upstream) with=3D20 the other "channel" (downstream). I lie on the centre of that little =3D bridge, at=3D20 right angles to it to get the "channels" perfectly in each ear, and can = =3D listen=3D20 for hours. And gradually take in the background "noise" of birdsong, =3D wind in the=3D20 trees, the very remote sound of city hum, an occasional walker coming =3D past with=3D20 or without dog, maybe a child with Mum, even whirring insects. </DIV> <DIV>I think, apart from other thoughts, in a place like that I =3D understand=3D20 Jesus's words that unless we become like little children we cannot enter = =3D the=3D20 Kingdom of Heaven. Small children will listen like that on a bridge =3D listening to=3D20 water trickling, until we have as adults blasted their ears to =3D insensitivity in=3D20 city noises, all the racket of "progressive and modern and =3D technological" living=3D20 and the kids, by then teenagers, have ceased to hear and listen.</DIV> <DIV>In the same way, it makes me recoil to see people with books and =3D radio and=3D20 walkmans on the beach. We live 7 mins.walk from the beach now, and my =3D wife of 34=3D20 years and I have never, ever, once taken anything like books or radios =3D to the=3D20 beach. That would be sacrilege, call it what you will, to overlay the =3D beach and=3D20 everything there. </DIV> <DIV>The same in church. If my ears tell me electronically-generated and = =3D   electronically-amplified sounds are disgusting, and that a recorder =3D (fipple=3D20 flute kind, I mean) or an unamplified human speaking voice, or the sound = =3D of a=3D20 hammer hitting a metal string (a piano) are beautiful, no one, but no =3D one, can=3D20 ever tell me otherwise in a way that can make me believe it.</DIV> <DIV>Let me continue. I loathe it when I see an advertisement in the =3D newspaper,=3D20 "FOR SALE, used piano, good condition, suit learner, $50." You just know = =3D it is a=3D20 heap of junk. And I can't stand it when people say, "I'll get an =3D electronic=3D20 keyboard for the first two years. If Johnny continues to learn, I might = =3D buy a=3D20 proper piano." That way, you'll kill any sensitivity and interest before = =3D it even=3D20 begins.</DIV> <DIV>A good friend, a lady in her late 60s, is an exceptionally fine =3D pianist=3D20 (won first-equal&nbsp;the NZ National Concerto Competition with Gillian = =3D Weir=3D20 co-first many years ago, when my friend was just 17) and was an organist = =3D at my=3D20 last parish. About a year ago, a 7-yr-old boy was brought to her to =3D begin piano=3D20 lessons. By accident, the kid brushed 16ft CCC on the Steinway grand. He = =3D was=3D20 transfixed, and played it again, softly, head on one side, over and over = =3D again=3D20 for ten minutes before coming out of his "trance." My friend said =3D straight away,=3D20 "He will be a good pupil and a fine musician." Just imagine the =3D devastation and=3D20 lost opportunity if that sensitive wee soul had been cut off from music = =3D for ever=3D20 if by chance he struck 16ft CCC on something electronic instead and =3D experienced=3D20 its ugliness and artificiality!</DIV> <DIV>Yes, I've gone on far too long. Technicians can play electronic =3D instruments=3D20 and love them, and they may do so with flair, finesse, good sense of =3D rhythm and=3D20 fine manual (and pedal) dexterity, but that only makes them one kind = of=3D20 musician, not the kind that loves sheer beauty of tone for its own sake = =3D and=3D20 hears all those things that Chris B and I have been referring to. The =3D musician=3D20 I'm talking about will be utterly delighted on a wee piece of Byrd =3D played on a=3D20 simple 8ft stopt wooden flute, but recoil at anything electronic. </DIV> <DIV>Kind regards,</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0040_01C18150.B9611A40--      
(back) Subject: Re: First Methodist, Wichita Falls, TX From: "douglas morgan" <dkmorgan76209@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 11:24:33 -0800 (PST)   Dan Garland told me that they are replacing the Aeolian-Skinner/Reuter altogether at First Methodist Church in Wichita Falls, Texas, and that the new organ would be about 100 ranks.   I used to maintain the Aeolian-Skinner, and if they are aoing to add to it and have about 200 ranks, I certainly would like to know where they are going to put that much organ. The three chambers are crammed full now, and what's there is almost unserviceable.   D. Keith Morgan --- CdyVanpool@aol.com wrote: > > FUMC in Wichita Falls is rebuilding > and adding on to the A/S > that Nita Akin got in that church. I studied on that > organ with Nita in the > 60's. The new (?) organ will be over 200 ranks. I > think it is around 80 or so > ranks now. Some of the old ranks will be used..... > Floating String chorus, > The Enchamade Trumpet etc. and all of the pedal will > be preserved. Kiyo > Watanabe, organist at FUMC, and good friend of mine, > also said there will be > a new console .... half- a - million dollar one. I > believe there will be 3 > Walker Digital 32's. I have forgotten who is doing > the rebuild and the > console..... I will ask him at the next AGO > officer's meeting. (Old Timers > Disease) > > Van Vanpool, organist > FUMC, Bowie, Texas > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: A welcome find! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:37:42 -0500   About this time of year I go through all my Christmas LPs and CDs, looking =   for one that I haven't played in recent years.   This year is a very welcome find, - it is a CD made in 1988 by VGR;   "A Child is Born" - Christmas at the National Shrine, Washington, DC   Directed by Dr. Leo Nestor, Organist, Dr. Robert Grogan   This is a gem that has been laying in my collection ever since I first bought it in New York City in 1990, when we were there for Christmas with our daughter and her family.   The music ranges from the 14th Century to the present, and is very well performed by the Choir of the National Shrine, with a couple of organ pieces played by Dr. Nestor in a most sensitive manner.   It is far too long for me to write out the complete play list, but I can assure you all that there is plenty of variation in style and period of = the music, - enough to keep everybody happy.   I do not know if the CD is still available, but here are the details:   VGR Digital VQR 2021   "A Child is Born" - Christmas at the National Shrine The Choir of the National Shrine Dr. Leo Nestor. Music Director Dr. Robert Grogan, Organist Published 1988   If you come across this CD, I would recommend it as being one that is a good deal better than the usual recorded Christmas offerings.   Happy listening,   Bob Conway   - who would rather hear CDs than nothing at all!