PipeChat Digest #2559 - Monday, December 10, 2001
 
Re: Oberlin Fisk
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: varous things
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Pipe organ
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Elect/Pipe
  by "William  H. Evans" <whevans@softcom.net>
Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
RE: "Electrotone" ?
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Seasonal Cookies
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct
  by "John Cormack" <jcorm@bellatlantic.net>
Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: "Electrotone" ?
  by "Marjorie Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct
  by "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Re: Pipe organ??????
  by "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com>
apples and oranges
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
names
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: apples and oranges
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Oberlin Fisk From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:00:42 -0500     --------------FA7D1C3E377E34D6697A9197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 12/9/01 7:45:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > mike3247@earthlink.net writes: > >> I am in the process of trying to be adopted by the organ students as >> an >> official groupie. > > There is a sure way to be adopted...   > Feed them!! > > Bruce Cornely   Hi Bruce, The student I am corresponding with is David Sinden, a Sophomore who is the host at the Friday Night "Organ Pumps". He is obviously well fed, but has his own website where he publishes his "wish list" if you want to buy him something. It is a link to Amazon.com where he has registered like a bride would for wedding gifts. He lists about 4 pages of CDs, books, and equipment he would like have. It seems the price of bribing a student has gone way beyond a free meal. :-) If you want to check it out, here is his homepage URL < http://www.oberlin.edu/~dsinden/ >   Mike   --------------FA7D1C3E377E34D6697A9197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> &nbsp; <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 12/9/01 7:45:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:</font></font> <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>I am in the process of trying to be adopted by the organ students as = an</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>official = groupie.</font></font></blockquote> <font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>There is a = sure way to be adopted...</font></font></font></blockquote>   <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>Feed them!!</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely</font></font></font></blockquote> Hi Bruce, <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The student I am corresponding with is David = Sinden, a Sophomore who is the host at the Friday Night "Organ Pumps". He is = obviously well fed, but has his own website where he publishes his "wish list" if you want to buy him something. It is a link to Amazon.com where he has registered like a bride would for wedding gifts. He lists about 4 pages of CDs, books, and equipment he would like have. It seems the price of bribing a student has gone way beyond a free meal. :-) <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you want to check it out, here is his homepage URL <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt; <A = HREF=3D"http://www.oberlin.edu/~dsinden/">http://www.oberlin.edu/~dsinden/<= /A> > <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mike</html>   --------------FA7D1C3E377E34D6697A9197--    
(back) Subject: Re: varous things From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:27:36 -0600   Chris Baker wrote:   > From: > Beaglemeister > Subject: Re: varous things > > > I agree, but will add that really great music speaks for itself and > is not > > dependent upon a particular registration. Most great organ music > is still > > great, even on a single Open Diapason! >   I always say that it is possible to quantify how good an organ is by seeing how long it is possible to play on a single stop without getting tired of it.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organ From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:31:23 -0800   Josh, I am confused, did you intend that request for me? If so, sure you can play all you like, but do you realize I am in Australia? Bob E.   Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote: > > Sorry! that was meant as a private E-mail to Bob.... > Thanks >  
(back) Subject: Re: Elect/Pipe From: "William H. Evans" <whevans@softcom.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 06:49:11 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C18146.C5E50920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Verry well put. 100%         ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 10:22 PM Subject: Elect/Pipe     While I agree that electronic is no substitute for pipe, and while I =3D enjoy the opportunity of playing a very nice 24 rank Schantz every week, = =3D I also believe that the artist is one who can make pearls out of rocks. = =3D =3D20           ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C18146.C5E50920 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Verry well put. 100%</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DInnkawgneeto@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com">Innkawgneeto@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 09, 2001 = =3D 10:22=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Elect/Pipe</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>While I = =3D agree that=3D20 electronic is no substitute for pipe, and while I enjoy the =3D opportunity of=3D20 playing a very nice 24 rank Schantz every week, &nbsp;I also believe =3D that the=3D20 artist is one who can make pearls out of rocks.&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 <BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0008_01C18146.C5E50920--    
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:38:11 EST   It has been written:   >Digital organs, no matter what brand, are NOT sold as >being reproductions, they are being represented by their vendors as THE = REAL >THING, and for many of us THAT is the rub. <<   With absolutely no agenda to keep this endless thread alive, I find a bit = of irony with this statement. No other instrument <imitates> other = instruments except the organ. Admittedly this imitation results from an original = source, the pipe. It is amusing that imitation of pipes is deplorable when pipes = are fashioned to do exactly that of other instruments. Perhaps not comparable =   but an oddity, nonetheless.   Best wishes, Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: RE: "Electrotone" ? From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:04:31 -0500   >[without electronics] I seriously doubt the organ could survive as a serious musical contributor outside of academia for more than two generations. It doesn't do much good to have an organ, whether pipe or electronic, if = no one is around who knows how to play it competently.   The question is whether the nature of an electronic organ is such as to stimulate enough interest in a young person to become a recipient of the torch. It's one thing to admonish TODAY'S organists that they "outght to" accept an electronic. It's another to persuade POTENTIAL organists out there that they "ought to" devote their lives to learning how to play this contraption. Lotsa luck.   I didn't learn the organ because someone told me that I ought to. I = learned it because I became enthusiastic about it around age 9, and remained so. = If all I heard or had to practice on with were a radio with keys, or I suspected that, after all that work, playing such would be my lot in adult my life, I don't think that I'd have bothered. What about you?   As it is, churches with electronics are living on borrowed time in that = they are parasitically hiring and hearing the residue of keyboard artists who learned through experience with the genuine article.   Show me an E.O.E. (Electronic Organ Encounter) one tenth as successful as the AGO's P.O.E.s (Pipe Organ Encounters) and I might consider eating the above words.   Paul    
(back) Subject: RE: Seasonal Cookies From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:09:45 -0500   >My favorite introduction was by a communications freshman at U Fla who announced on the radio that we would hear the "TOCata and fug-U in = d-minor" ....   ....It was probably performed in the local First Congressional Church, too (recalling a radio announcer in my home town).   Meanwhile, I had to help a student in the library awhile ago who was = puzzled because she couldn't find Bach's famous Terra Cotta in the catalog.   Paul    
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct From: "John Cormack" <jcorm@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:22:07 -0500   > No other instrument <imitates> other instruments > except the organ. Admittedly this imitation results from an original source, > the pipe.   But there are also digital pianos and digital drum sets that imitate the real thing.   > It is amusing that imitation of pipes is deplorable when pipes are > fashioned to do exactly that of other instruments.   How true, for example, pipe organs have the oboe and string stops, that imitate the sound of the real instruments.   -- John Cormack    
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 12:49:02 EST     --part1_d3.32475a4.29464f8e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/10/01 11:23:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcorm@bellatlantic.net writes:     > How true, for example, pipe organs have the oboe and string stops, that > imitate the sound of the real instruments. >   Imitate and produce the sound from another real instrument, not record and =   reproduce artificially. There IS a difference.     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_d3.32475a4.29464f8e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/10/01 11:23:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcorm@bellatlantic.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">How true, for = example, pipe organs have the oboe and string stops, that <BR>imitate the sound of the real instruments. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Imitate and produce the sound from another real instrument, not record = and reproduce artificially. &nbsp;&nbsp;There IS a difference. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_d3.32475a4.29464f8e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:16:56 +1300   Sorry, but don't talk rubbish - pipes are not fashioned to copy or imitate other instruments. There is no other sound, anywhere, similar to a Principal, or a Rohr Flute, or a Dulciana, let alone Mixtures, mutations = and things like a Sesquialtera or a Cornet. Imitation? Nope. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Wurlibird1@aol.com <Wurlibird1@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:39 AM Subject: Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct     >It has been written: > >>Digital organs, no matter what brand, are NOT sold as >>being reproductions, they are being represented by their vendors as THE REAL >>THING, and for many of us THAT is the rub. << > >With absolutely no agenda to keep this endless thread alive, I find a bit of >irony with this statement. No other instrument <imitates> other instruments >except the organ. Admittedly this imitation results from an original source, >the pipe. It is amusing that imitation of pipes is deplorable when pipes are >fashioned to do exactly that of other instruments. Perhaps not = comparable >but an oddity, nonetheless. > >Best wishes, >Jim Pitts > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:20:18 +1300   You'll starve to death. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Emmons, Paul <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 5:07 AM Subject: RE: "Electrotone" ?     > >[without electronics] I seriously > doubt the organ could survive as a serious musical >contributor outside of > academia for more than two generations. > >It doesn't do much good to have an organ, whether pipe or electronic, if = no >one is around who knows how to play it competently. > >The question is whether the nature of an electronic organ is such as to >stimulate enough interest in a young person to become a recipient of the >torch. It's one thing to admonish TODAY'S organists that they "outght = to" >accept an electronic. It's another to persuade POTENTIAL organists out >there that they "ought to" devote their lives to learning how to play = this >contraption. Lotsa luck. > >I didn't learn the organ because someone told me that I ought to. I learned >it because I became enthusiastic about it around age 9, and remained so. If >all I heard or had to practice on with were a radio with keys, or I >suspected that, after all that work, playing such would be my lot in = adult >my life, I don't think that I'd have bothered. What about you? > >As it is, churches with electronics are living on borrowed time in that they >are parasitically hiring and hearing the residue of keyboard artists who >learned through experience with the genuine article. > >Show me an E.O.E. (Electronic Organ Encounter) one tenth as successful as >the AGO's P.O.E.s (Pipe Organ Encounters) and I might consider eating the >above words. > >Paul > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: "Electrotone" ? From: "Marjorie Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:30:57 -0500   Electronic organs do have their place,............but after reading Paul's insightful remarks, I realized that I too, at about age 9, heard something grand and wonderful in the sound of our church's small pipe organ in Philadelphia. That uplifting moment and others have brought me great joy and blessing thru decades of praising our Lord on several different small pipe organs. The E.O.E. vs. P.O.E makes sense, too....... Ed, in Maine   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:04 AM Subject: RE: "Electrotone" ?     > > I didn't learn the organ because someone told me that I ought to. I learned > it because I became enthusiastic about it around age 9, and remained so. If > all I heard or had to practice on with were a radio with keys, or I > suspected that, after all that work, playing such would be my lot in = adult > my life, I don't think that I'd have bothered. What about you? > > Show me an E.O.E. (Electronic Organ Encounter) one tenth as successful = as > the AGO's P.O.E.s (Pipe Organ Encounters) and I might consider eating = the > above words. > > Paul      
(back) Subject: Re: Teaching organists to self-destruct From: "Cheryl C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 19:18:48 +0000     > >>How true, for example, pipe organs have the oboe and string stops, that >>imitate the sound of the real instruments. > >Imitate and produce the sound from another real instrument, not record = and >reproduce artificially. There IS a difference.   Ahhhh, Bruce - you've opened a door and I cannot resist entering! :-) I =   would like to comment on the "record and reproduce" aspect.   Firstly, though, I want to say - and I do not include Bruce, or most = others on this list, in this category - that there are plenty of loud talkers around who use prejudices instead of ears; anybody who condemns all electronics out of hand, without hearing a good example, is spoiling his own case by grotesque overstatement. There are many, many pipe organs around on which no organist would want to play a service, let alone give a =   recital, but I would not use that as evidence to prove that there is anything wrong with pipe organs per se.   The worst electronic organs are, ipso facto, the most abundant - and = whilst one understands that they make a lot of enemies, one should not = extrapolate from these particulars to a general condemnation of all electronics. Some =   of us - not very many, to be sure - do NOT use recordings (aka "samples"), =   but use much care and a great deal of experience of pipe organs to make a worthy substitute in cases where an adequate pipe organ is out of the question, for reasons of space or finance. We do this by using very expensive real-time computing hardware which gives us as much control over =   every aspect of every note of every stop as that of a pipe organ voicer; there is as much need for artistry in this process as there is in =   voicing a pipe organ, and we are in fact "producing" (creating) rather = than "reproducing" organ sound. We have had far too many first-rate organists take our instruments seriously to feel that we have to wear sackcloth and ashes.   >Sorry, but don't talk rubbish - pipes are not fashioned to copy or = imitate >other instruments. There is no other sound, anywhere, similar to a >Principal, or a Rohr Flute, or a Dulciana, let alone Mixtures, mutations = and >things like a Sesquialtera or a Cornet. Imitation? Nope.   I personally feel that it is no more a sin for us to use pipe organ names for our stops than it is for a pipe organ builder to name a stop "orchestral oboe". Any self-respecting oboist would tell us all to get = lost.   Seasonal and warm greetings to all.   Cheryl     http://www.copemanhart.co.uk   Copeman Hart & Company Ltd Church Organ Builders ENGLAND   Registered in England No 696548    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe organ?????? From: "Stephen Ohmer" <knopfregal@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:24:44 -0800 (PST)   Gee whiz!!!! I was wondering, "why does he want to play our 20 year old Allen?" ;-) SteveO --- Pologaptommy@aol.com wrote: > Sorry! that was meant as a private E-mail to > Bob.... > Thanks > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: apples and oranges From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 11:42:26 -0800   Something that's perhaps being missed in this discussion is that small off-the-shelf electronic organs sound no better or worse than most small off-the-shelf unit pipe organs, which is perhaps what they should be compared to.   There's all the difference in the world between a CUSTOM electronic organ with one voice per channel, note-by-note voicing, etc., and your typical two-manual stock electronic organ, JUST AS there's all the difference in the world between a stock Fuga or Artiste or Petite Ensemble, etc. and a CUSTOM built and voiced PIPE organ.   The OTHER thing is to find an electronic organ dealer who's willing to spend the TIME voicing and planning an installation with the SAME care as a GOOD pipe organ builder ... consulting with the architect, ensuring good acoustics, allowing for spacious chambers, etc. etc. etc.   Here's a point: I sent off our spec to several good electronic organ builders, requesting bids for a straight custom organ. When the bids came back, they ranged from 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of a comparable straight pipe organ. So I think we're really comparing apples and oranges ... of COURSE a straight custom pipe organ can't compete with an off-the-shelf electronic price-wise, but a straight-across comparison of LIKE instruments yields a somewhat different picture, particularly if you figure in the shelf-life of speaker cones and other components ... MANY well-built pipe organs will play for upwards of a hundred years without requiring a major overhaul. We don't KNOW what the life-span is of the present generation of digital organs, because they haven't been AROUND long enough (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: names From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:15:16 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0016_01C18224.5904B9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Cheryl, I wasn't saying electronics people shouldn't use organ stop names, if =3D you read me carefully, but that the stops I listed, basic organ stops, =3D do NOT imitate non-organ instruments. Ross   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0016_01C18224.5904B9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Cheryl,</DIV> <DIV>I wasn't saying electronics people shouldn't use organ stop names, = =3D if you=3D20 read me carefully, but that the stops I listed, basic organ stops, do=3D20 NOT&nbsp;imitate non-organ instruments.</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0016_01C18224.5904B9C0--      
(back) Subject: Re: apples and oranges From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:12:58 EST     --part1_17f.7f4bb3.2946714a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/10/01 2:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > There's all the difference in the world between a CUSTOM electronic > organ with one voice per channel, note-by-note voicing, etc., and your > typical two-manual stock electronic organ, JUST AS there's all the > difference in the world between a stock Fuga or Artiste or Petite > Ensemble, etc. and a CUSTOM built and voiced PIPE organ. >   I hate to disagree... raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly I do!! But I've played = too many "off the shelf unit organs from various builders that do not even approach the "sound" of an off the shelf or even custom other thing. I certainly would not include Petite Ensenble, Hinners, or other small 19th = or early 20th century instrument with the Artiste!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_17f.7f4bb3.2946714a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/10/01 2:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">There's all the = difference in the world between a CUSTOM electronic <BR>organ with one voice per channel, note-by-note voicing, etc., and your <BR>typical two-manual stock electronic organ, JUST AS there's all the <BR>difference in the world between a stock Fuga or Artiste or Petite <BR>Ensemble, etc. and a CUSTOM built and voiced PIPE organ. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>I hate to disagree... raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly I do!! &nbsp;&nbsp;But = I've played too many "off the shelf unit organs from various builders that = do not even approach the "sound" of an off the shelf or even custom other = thing. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I certainly would not include Petite Ensenble, = Hinners, or other small 19th or early 20th century instrument with the = Artiste! &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17f.7f4bb3.2946714a_boundary--