PipeChat Digest #2565 - Wednesday, December 12, 2001
 
Re: imitation
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
Re: Imitation
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Imitation
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Dinse Organ: 1893, not 193  (!!)
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Dinse Organ: 1893, not 193  (!!)
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: imitation
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
imitation
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Sforzando
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Cornet
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Electronic, and pipe organs
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2564 - 12/12/01
  by "Ken Earl" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com>
Re: Dinse Organ: 1893, not 193  (!!)
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: Dinse Organ: 1893, not 193  (!!)
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: imitation
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: the same argument
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2564 - 12/12/01
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2564 - 12/12/01
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
 

(back) Subject: Re: imitation From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:39:11 -0500     Dear List:   I have been reading the various posts on the pipe vs electronic issue. I = am sure this will not be the last such attempt to voice our varied concerns. =   However, I think to trash all non winded instruments is to miss a vital point.   I was fourtunate to have outstanding instruments during my college and graduate years. I was equally lucky to have held positions in churches = that has more than adequate instruments, most of which were well designed.   I now serve one of the largest congregations of Methodists in NJ, and we have just contracted for a new instrument. When I arrived, the old organ was on its last legs (Gallanti) and the sound was horrific to be kind. = When considering a replacement I had to consider the issue of my room. Because =   of the style in which it is built, there really is not room for a pipe instrument of any size beyond 6 or 7 ranks. Now some of you will say = thats all I need. I say malarky! One of the reasons the organ no longer = captures the interest of students and the public is our great ability to allow such =   small instruments to exisit as examples of the king of instruments. For = the love of God, 7 ranks is barely an adequate pedal division!   We have contracted with Allen Organ for an outstanding 118 rank = instrument that I believe will inspire. Should we move to a new building in the future, of course we will consider a pipe instrument, but our current environment does not allow it to be done well, so we will wait. Money is not an issue. I could have had the 118 ranks from Cassavant without a signifcant fund raising.   I fear our squabbles and compromise in order to have "real pipes" gives those who want to project lyrics onto screens and have "happy clappy" instead of inspired music a boost of energy. Only a real alternative, = that can also capture the sentiment and imagination of the congregation will = keep this demon from our door.   Well thats my two cents worth!   Gods best to you all   Dr K.       _________________________________________________________________ Join the world=92s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Imitation From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:41:07 -0800   Jim - no Drano 64? B. E.   Wurlibird1@aol.com wrote: nclature in any form. As an example, I submit the following as a > suggested beginning for digitals. This should preclude any charge of > plagerism, sham, scam, skullduggery, or deception.  
(back) Subject: Re: Imitation From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:36:59 EST   Bob Elms inquires:     >Jim - no Drano 64? >B. E. <<   Heck, why not! And I failed to mention that the third manual will be = called the Absolut (was Positiv). And then there is the Register-Pretendo (was Crescendo). Couplers must be Joints and organs with octave couplers will = be double-jointed.   After all the serious contention (good hearted, I hope) a little levity, = like revolution, is a good thing from time to time. I am awaiting suggestions = on Sforzando.   Best wishes, Jim P  
(back) Subject: Dinse Organ: 1893, not 193 (!!) From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:34:14 -0500   Dear List Readers,   I need to proof-reading better! The Dinse organ in Christmas Lutheran Church in Bethlehem, Palestina, was built in Berlin in 1893, not 193!   My apologies for my error. I am properly chagrined!! :-(   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Dinse Organ: 1893, not 193 (!!) From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:11:39 -0500       Karl Moyer wrote: > > Dear List Readers, > > I need to proof-reading better! The Dinse organ in Christmas = Lutheran > Church in Bethlehem, Palestina, was built in Berlin in 1893, not 193! > > My apologies for my error. I am properly chagrined!! :-( >   Dammit, Karl! That ruins the paper that I was ready to release titled: "The Hydrulus from Germania - the Untold Story"   Thought for the day: If a registrant assists an organist during a performance, would the person assisting the musician playing the hydrulus be identified as a 'Hydrant'?     <I'll go quietly to my room now...>   Stan    
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:21:10 -0600   On 12/10/01 7:19 PM, Stan Yoder wrote:   > What about "organ" as a word?   Hi Stan, Wasn't the "organ" as a word question settled by the Lauren Hammond case = in the 1930's when U.S. courts decided that he was legally entitled to call = his electric instrument an "organ" in spite of its having no pipes and the = sound not being generated by wind.   Cheers, Russ Greene    
(back) Subject: Re: imitation From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:27:03 -0600   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --Boundary_(ID_WqmrUaPF/6Y7J7ms/5WXOg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 12/11/01 9:54 PM, Ross Wards wrote:   > The organ Oboe doesn't sound like an instrument of the orchestra, and = the > Trumpet of the orchestra is more organ-Horn-toned than an organ Trumpet. = =3D It is > not meant to sound the same. The vast majority of organs of small to = mode=3D rate > size do not have a Cor Anglais, or a Viola da Gamba or those things. = Too, > you've ignored my points about Dulciana vs Salicional tone, Cornet vs > Sesquialtera, and so on. > I know the Viola da Gamba well, as a close friend plays one in = early-musi=3D c > ensembles. It just doesn't sound like an organ Viola da Gamba, except = ver=3D y > superficially. Why? Because an organ string stop isn't, and can't be > imitative, as it's a flue not a box with strings on it played by a bow.   Oh for goodness sake Ross, read your history! Of course organ Oboes were meant to sound like real oboes and organ Trumpets were meant to sound like real trumpets and yes indeed organ Strings and Celestes were meant to imitate as closely as possible the sound of real strings. Organ history is filled with documentation proving that beyond reasonable doubt. The fact that these imitative stops don=3DB9t replicate the real thing was, to use computer terminology, a bug, not a feature. It=3DB9s only in this century = that we=3DB9ve tried, erroneously, to say that organ builders intended to miss = the mark.   Russ   --Boundary_(ID_WqmrUaPF/6Y7J7ms/5WXOg) Content-type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: imitation</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">On 12/11/01 9:54 PM, Ross Wards wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">The organ Oboe doesn't sound = like an instrument of the orchestra, and the Trumpet of the orchestra is = more organ-Horn-toned than an organ Trumpet. It is not meant to sound the = same. The vast majority of organs of small to moderate size do not have a = Cor Anglais, or a Viola da Gamba or those things. Too, you've ignored my = points about Dulciana vs Salicional tone, Cornet vs Sesquialtera, and so = on.<BR> I know the Viola da Gamba well, as a close friend plays one in early-music = ensembles. It just doesn't sound like an organ Viola da Gamba, except very = superficially. Why? Because an organ string stop isn't, and can't be = imitative, as it's a flue not a box with strings on it played by a = bow.<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica"><BR> Oh for goodness sake Ross, read your history! Of course organ Oboes were = meant to sound like real oboes and organ Trumpets were meant to sound like = real trumpets and yes indeed organ Strings and Celestes were meant to = imitate as closely as possible the sound of real strings. Organ history is = filled with documentation proving that beyond reasonable doubt. The fact = that these imitative stops don&#8217;t replicate the real thing was, to = use computer terminology, a bug, not a feature. It&#8217;s only in this = century that we&#8217;ve tried, erroneously, to say that organ builders = intended to miss the mark.<BR> <BR> Russ</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --Boundary_(ID_WqmrUaPF/6Y7J7ms/5WXOg)--  
(back) Subject: imitation From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:44:34 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0143_01C183B2.641994E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Russ, I still don't believe you are right. In our day, perhaps, a Viola da =3D Gamba, for example, is a flue, but there have been times and =3D organbuilders who made it as a reed stop, more like a guttural Trumpet. Voicers try to create what they would deem a beautiful sound. I do not =3D believe they try to imitate actual instruments, unless they are trying, = =3D perhaps, to do something orchestral as in a very large instrument or a =3D theatre organ. The ordinary Oboe, for example, is really a 19th-century = =3D rank and was used as both solo and to bolster small choruses. Orchestral = =3D Oboes came on the scene, which WERE intended to imitate the oboe of the = =3D orchestra, but the ordinary Oboe wasn't. Obviously, an organ Viola da Gamba is more like the actual instrument in = =3D tone than is a Principal, but that doesn't alter the fact that, on =3D listening to new and old examples in the flesh and on record, there was = =3D no attempt to copy the sound. If they did in fact try, they failed. In =3D just the same way, the Clarinet of the organ is not meant to be a copy =3D of the clarinet of the orchestra. If you want that sound, you put in an = =3D Orchestral Clarinet. The ordinary Clarinet, to repeat my illustration is = =3D more like an orchestra clarinet than is a Rohr Flute, but that is =3D because SOME ASPECTS of the tone resemble it, e.g. the fact that it is a = =3D reed stop of cylindrical shape creating a lot of 5th harmonic in the =3D tone, but no organ builder I've ever talked to has regarded the ordinary = =3D Clarinet as a copy of the orchestral one.=3D20 And so on. Ross   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0143_01C183B2.641994E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Russ,</DIV> <DIV>I still don't believe you are right. In our day, perhaps, a Viola =3D da Gamba,=3D20 for example, is a flue, but there have been times and organbuilders who = =3D made it=3D20 as a reed stop, more like a guttural Trumpet.</DIV> <DIV>Voicers try to create what they would deem a beautiful sound. I do = =3D not=3D20 believe they try to imitate actual instruments, unless they are trying, = =3D perhaps,=3D20 to do something orchestral as in a very large instrument or a theatre =3D organ. The=3D20 ordinary Oboe, for example, is really a 19th-century rank and was used =3D as both=3D20 solo and to bolster small choruses. Orchestral Oboes came on the scene, = =3D which=3D20 WERE intended to imitate the oboe of the orchestra, but the ordinary =3D Oboe=3D20 wasn't.</DIV> <DIV>Obviously, an organ Viola da Gamba is more like the actual =3D instrument in=3D20 tone than is a Principal, but that doesn't alter the fact that, on =3D listening to=3D20 new and old examples in the flesh and on record, there was no attempt to = =3D copy=3D20 the sound. If they did in fact try, they failed. In just the same way, =3D the=3D20 Clarinet of the organ is not meant to be a copy of the clarinet of = the=3D20 orchestra. If you want that sound, you put in an Orchestral Clarinet. =3D The=3D20 ordinary Clarinet, to repeat my illustration is more like an orchestra =3D clarinet=3D20 than is a Rohr Flute, but that is because SOME ASPECTS of the tone =3D resemble it,=3D20 e.g. the fact that it is a reed stop of cylindrical shape creating a lot = =3D of 5th=3D20 harmonic in the tone, but no organ builder I've ever talked to has =3D regarded the=3D20 ordinary Clarinet as a copy of the orchestral one. </DIV> <DIV>And so on.</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0143_01C183B2.641994E0--      
(back) Subject: Sforzando From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:50:03 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_014B_01C183B3.27F903A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Someone was asking what "Sforzando" would be called in a =3D politically-correct organ. Could I suggest two words - 1. Pavarotti 2. Mario Lanza   I like that scheme as given. Of course, the Principle (?) would have to = =3D be watered down these days to "Ethical Suggestion".=3D20 The Open Wood, for greenie considerations, would have to become =3D "Laminated non-hardwood". The console would become the "Empathic =3D Counsel". The coupler would have to signify whether gay or straight. The = =3D Swell shoe would become a biodegradable, non-animal-product sandal. The = =3D pisston would become the Convenience. Any others? Ross   ------=3D_NextPart_000_014B_01C183B3.27F903A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Someone was asking what "Sforzando" would be called in a=3D20 politically-correct organ. Could I suggest two words -</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;1. Pavarotti</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;2. Mario Lanza</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I like that scheme as given. Of course, the Principle (?) would =3D have to be=3D20 watered down these days to "Ethical Suggestion". </DIV> <DIV>The Open Wood, for greenie considerations, would have to become =3D "Laminated=3D20 non-hardwood". The console would become the "Empathic Counsel". The =3D coupler=3D20 would have to signify whether gay or straight. The Swell shoe would =3D become a=3D20 biodegradable, non-animal-product sandal. The pisston would become = the=3D20 Convenience. Any others?</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_014B_01C183B3.27F903A0--      
(back) Subject: Cornet From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:54:18 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0153_01C183B3.BFF9FA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Jeff White, Couldn't possibly comment until you give us the organ specification, =3D roughly where the organ is in the building and what kind of, and size, =3D the building is. If you do, I'll try to answer for you. But, my being a = =3D New Zealander, some of you Americans will probably howl with rage, just = =3D as they have over my comments about Brustwerk, Cornet, imitation etc. =3D ;-) Ross     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0153_01C183B3.BFF9FA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Jeff White,</DIV> <DIV>Couldn't possibly comment until you give us the organ =3D specification,=3D20 roughly where the organ is in the building and what kind of, and size, =3D the=3D20 building is. If you do, I'll try to answer for you. But, my being a = New=3D20 Zealander, some of you Americans will probably howl with rage, just as =3D they have=3D20 over my comments about Brustwerk, Cornet, imitation etc.&nbsp; ;-)</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0153_01C183B3.BFF9FA60--      
(back) Subject: Re: Electronic, and pipe organs From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:39:02 -0500       Russ Greene wrote: > > On 12/10/01 7:19 PM, Stan Yoder wrote: > > > What about "organ" as a word? > > Hi Stan, > Wasn't the "organ" as a word question settled by the Lauren Hammond case = in > the 1930's when U.S. courts decided that he was legally entitled to call = his > electric instrument an "organ" in spite of its having no pipes and the = sound > not being generated by wind.   Well, that might be a legal determination. I was speaking about the root = meaning (etymology) of the word itself. Since we refer to, inter alia, parts of the body as 'organs', = and publications, e.g., "Stop, Open and Reed" was the 'house organ' of the Skinner Organ Co., it's = actually a generic term broader than our musical instrument.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2564 - 12/12/01 From: "Ken Earl" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:47:25 -0000   Hi all   It seems we have a veritable walking encyclopedia in Ross Ward, who not = only knows everything there is to know about the pipe organ, but about all = other mnusical instruments as well, and is therefor qualified to make expert opinions on all subjects.   I think we should all just sit here silent and wait for his next utterations.   However, devil's advocate that I sometimes love to be, I must also ask him to ensure that all historical Musical Dictionaries, Dictionaries of Organ Stops, not to mention works such as Audsley's 'The Art of Organ Building' and Sumner's 'the Organ', get reprinted immediately, to ensure that his opinions replace those of these worthy gentlemen.   Ken  
(back) Subject: Re: Dinse Organ: 1893, not 193 (!!) From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:33:19 -0500   > Thought for the day: > If a registrant assists an organist during a performance, would the = person > assisting the musician playing the hydrulus be identified as a = 'Hydrant'?   Would that thus make him the target of certain dogs' activities? > > <I'll go quietly to my room now...>   Me, too!! :-(   Moyer Guy    
(back) Subject: Re: Dinse Organ: 1893, not 193 (!!) From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:57:42 -0500       Karl Moyer wrote: > > > Thought for the day: > > If a registrant assists an organist during a performance, would the = person > > assisting the musician playing the hydrulus be identified as a = 'Hydrant'? > > Would that thus make him the target of certain dogs' activities? > > > > <I'll go quietly to my room now...> > > Me, too!! :-( > > Moyer Guy   In the case of some organists, the welcome canine distraction could = provide a safe cover for the sudden exit of a suffering captive audience.   SL    
(back) Subject: Re: imitation From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:06:39 -0600   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --Boundary_(ID_umzyy6kkJs7EPUNRhMpQtg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   Hi Ross, I=3DB9m not saying that current builders are striving to imitate = orchestral sounds. I am absolutely saying however that the builders who first = develope=3D d stops other than the Diapason family were striving as hard as possible to imitate the original instruments. As organists and modern organ builders, = w=3D e have fallen in love with the early organ builders shortcomings, their imperfect imitations, and now strive to improve upon those sounds in their own right.   But originally, organ builders tried to do, with limited technology, = exactl=3D y what we now do with digital samplers.   Cheers, Russ   --Boundary_(ID_umzyy6kkJs7EPUNRhMpQtg) Content-type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: imitation</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">Hi Ross,<BR> I&#8217;m not saying that current builders are striving to imitate = orchestral sounds. I am absolutely saying however that the builders who = first developed stops other than the Diapason family were striving as hard = as possible to imitate the original instruments. As organists and modern = organ builders, we have fallen in love with the early organ builders = shortcomings, their imperfect imitations, and now strive to improve upon = those sounds in their own right.<BR> <BR> But originally, organ builders tried to do, with limited technology, = exactly what we now do with digital samplers.<BR> <BR> Cheers,<BR> Russ</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --Boundary_(ID_umzyy6kkJs7EPUNRhMpQtg)--  
(back) Subject: Re: the same argument From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: 12 Dec 2001 13:08:15 -0800   On Sun, 09 December 2001, "Ross & Lynda Wards" wrote:   > electronics are like that - they are frauds, they are > not wind instruments.   Gee, Ross, I hope you never lose your teeth!   I think you undermine your own argument by berating the recording industry = for degrading its own quality, thereby -- if I'm using your terminology = correctly -- not being hypocritical enough.   I trust you never, ever, listen to recordings. Recorded music and digital = organs employ the same technology.   Dick Meckstroth      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2564 - 12/12/01 From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:30:04 +1300   Thanks, Ken. The problem is - I have those books and have been reading = them. Too, of course, I have heaps of others, surprise, surprise. Thanks, though for that new word "utteration". Actually, I am dead serious on that - I love new words. Oh yes, the name is Wards, not Ward. And I know nothing at all about mnusical instruments - are they similar to musical instruments or something entirely different? I love it, as my computer makes the same idiot mistakes. I was once told that computer is a stupid, uneducated machine that insists on doing = exactly what I tell it to do. :-) Maybe I'm wrong, being new on this List, but I thought it was a place for vigorous debate, cut-and-thrust, parry, etc. If not, I do indeed = apologise, as the most humblest and most meekest man on earth - in fact I'm = incredibly proud of my humility. Let's continue the fun, even if it is serious as well! Luv ya (isn't that what Americans say?) Ross   -----Original Message----- From: Ken Earl <ken_earl01@hotmail.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:47 AM Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2564 - 12/12/01     >Hi all > >It seems we have a veritable walking encyclopedia in Ross Ward, who not only >knows everything there is to know about the pipe organ, but about all = other >mnusical instruments as well, and is therefor qualified to make expert >opinions on all subjects. > >I think we should all just sit here silent and wait for his next >utterations. > >However, devil's advocate that I sometimes love to be, I must also ask = him >to ensure that all historical Musical Dictionaries, Dictionaries of Organ >Stops, not to mention works such as Audsley's 'The Art of Organ Building' >and Sumner's 'the Organ', get reprinted immediately, to ensure that his >opinions replace those of these worthy gentlemen. > >Ken > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2564 - 12/12/01 From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:36:58 +1030       I've reached the stage that when I see ross (note the lower case!) it has = me considering placing a filter on my e-mail reception to keep ross out of my life.   Ian.   > From: "Ken Earl" <ken_earl01@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:47:25 -0000 > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2564 - 12/12/01 > > Hi all > > It seems we have a veritable walking encyclopedia in Ross Ward, who not = only > knows everything there is to know about the pipe organ, but about all = other > mnusical instruments as well, and is therefor qualified to make expert > opinions on all subjects. > > I think we should all just sit here silent and wait for his next > utterations. > > However, devil's advocate that I sometimes love to be, I must also ask = him > to ensure that all historical Musical Dictionaries, Dictionaries of = Organ > Stops, not to mention works such as Audsley's 'The Art of Organ = Building' > and Sumner's 'the Organ', get reprinted immediately, to ensure that his > opinions replace those of these worthy gentlemen. > > Ken