PipeChat Digest #2570 - Friday, December 14, 2001
 
Re: imitation
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Dolce Cornets
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
substitute tierce-compounds
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: imitation From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:11:03 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00BD_01C1843C.330D0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Daniel,   Having lived for ten years in London, Ontario, I read the statement =3D about the organ having "French stops from an exquisite Casavant in =3D London, Ontario" with some interest. At first, I thought you were =3D speaking of the pipe ranks you are having, but they did not suggest =3D "French stops" at all, so my question was no longer "which exquisite =3D Casavant in London" was ready to give up some pipes, and why? Realizing = =3D now that you are speaking of sampled pipes from some London organ, can =3D you say which instrument this is? I pretty well know them all, and can =3D think of two pre-war instruments I love, and one mechanical organ from =3D the Phelps era that might, in a stretch, make the cut.   Is an Ice Dad the Hockey equivalent of a Soccer Mom?   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler=3D20 ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Icedad@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Re: imitation     Dr. K,   Thank you for the plug for digital organs.We recently signed a =3D contract with Dunne Music, Orlando for a 3 manual 80 stop Renaissance =3D with 7 rank of real wind blown pipework. The Pipe ranks are: Principal =3D 8', Octave 4', Fifteenth 2', Flute Harmonique 8', Bourdon 8', =3D Spitzfloete 4', and Trumpeta Real 8'. . . . . . . . . . Our organ will =3D have French stops from an exquisite Casavant in London, Ontario. . . . . = =3D .. . . . I have selected the stops and the ranks of pipes for the =3D installation.I will If you wish. I will keep in contact with you =3D concerning our nearing installation.   Sincerely,   Daniel=3D20 =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00BD_01C1843C.330D0500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dear Daniel,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Having lived for ten years in London, = =3D Ontario, I=3D20 read the statement about the organ having "French stops from an =3D exquisite=3D20 Casavant in London, Ontario" with some interest. At first, I thought you = =3D were=3D20 speaking of the pipe ranks you are having, but they did not suggest =3D "French=3D20 stops" at all, so my question was no longer "which exquisite Casavant in = =3D London"=3D20 was ready to give up some pipes, and why? Realizing now that you are =3D speaking of=3D20 sampled pipes from some London organ, can you say which instrument this = =3D is? I=3D20 pretty well know them all, and can think of two pre-war instruments =3D I&nbsp;love,=3D20 and one mechanical organ from the Phelps era that might, in a stretch, =3D make the=3D20 cut.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Is an Ice Dad the Hockey equivalent = of =3D a Soccer=3D20 Mom?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DIcedad@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Icedad@aol.com">Icedad@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 14, 2001 =3D 12:44=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: imitation</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D3>Dr.=3D20 K,<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you for the plug for = digital=3D20 organs.We recently signed a contract with Dunne Music, Orlando =3D for&nbsp; a 3=3D20 manual 80 stop Renaissance with 7 rank of real wind blown pipework. =3D The Pipe=3D20 ranks are: Principal 8', Octave 4', Fifteenth 2', Flute Harmonique 8', = =3D Bourdon=3D20 8', Spitzfloete 4', and Trumpeta Real 8'.&nbsp;. . . . . . . . . Our =3D organ=3D20 will have French stops from an exquisite Casavant in London, Ontario. = =3D .. . . .=3D20 . . . .&nbsp; I have selected the stops and the ranks of pipes for the = =3D   installation.I will If you wish. I will keep in contact with you =3D concerning=3D20 our nearing installation.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Daniel=3D20 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00BD_01C1843C.330D0500--      
(back) Subject: Re: Dolce Cornets From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:06:52 +1300   Chris, I thoroughly approve! In a 2-deck organ, it is much better to have the = Great 8ft as the stopped rank and the Swell 8ft as the open flute. Wadsworth (of Manchester, England) used to do this, as well as TCLewis, though the = latter would often put a Lieblich Gedackt on the Swell. In a few organs I've been asked to revise slightly, I've switched over the Great and Swell 8ft = flutes. As most 1870 to 1950 open flutes are only open from about TenG to MidC up, you can leave the basses quite alone. Ross -----Original Message----- From: Chris Baker <chorale@clara.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: Re: Dolce Cornets     > >> I thought that "Dolcan" or "Dolkan" was the name for a >reverse-tapered rank. >> And that a Dolce was an ordinary cylindrical rank. A flutey outward >tapering >> rank is called "Portunal" in the Metzler in the Grossmunster in >Zurich. >> Fabulous - listen to the old lp's of Lionel Rogg's Bach there. >> Ross > >Hi Ross, >Wossinaname eh?<g> >According to Bonavia Hunt, >" the Dolce (also called Dolcan and Flauto Dolce), is a soft metal >flute of German origin, and of inverted conical form". > >There is within English organ building history, a real distinction >between these two stops, though as the Dolce came to be rarer by the >beginning of the 20th Century, it seems reasonable that its use as the >Great division's accompaniment register, would over time cause it to >be terminologically associated as the more normally found Dulciana. >The three examples I know of the Dolce are of truly beautiful, and >more importantly, characterful tone. Whilst most of the Ducianas I >know are fairly unremarkable. > >Purely as an unnassociated matter of interest, J J Binns, in his two >decker work would frequently put his Gedeckt on the great, and put his >Hohlflote or Rohrflute in the swell. The Great secondary chorus never >seemed to suffer from this, and indeed, by effectively shifting the >secondary foundation from the typical hohlflote, to the 4' principal, >a completely new emphasis was given to what in many smaller organs is >a deficient second flue chorus. > >Best etc.. >Chris B > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: substitute tierce-compounds From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:46:17 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005F_01C184F1.244263C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Sorry I deleted the posting before I really got the name, but I think it = =3D was John Speller who caught my notice. Whoever it was, he was dead right = =3D about his suggestions for fake Cornets and Tierce-en-taille =3D combinations. I've often used a warm rich unenclosed Diapason 8 on its =3D own as the solo Recit de Tierce en taille. Those other suggestions =3D generally work well, too. Way back in 1964, I gave a recital in =3D Wellington Cathedral of classic-French pieces, showing how you could =3D fake all sorts of classic stops on an average Romantic organ. Mind you, = =3D I was only 23 back then and the classic French music was about 105% =3D unknown amongst Wellington organists. I learned a great deal from =3D playing the Melville Smith pair of lp's made at Marmoutier, and someone = =3D else in an even older recording at St Merri, Paris. Anyone remember =3D them? I've still got mine and they're still quite playable - treasures =3D to me. Regards, Ross   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005F_01C184F1.244263C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Sorry I deleted the posting before I really got the name, but I =3D think it=3D20 was John Speller who caught my notice. Whoever it was, he was dead right = =3D about=3D20 his suggestions for fake Cornets and Tierce-en-taille combinations. I've = =3D often=3D20 used a warm rich unenclosed Diapason 8 on its own as the solo Recit de =3D Tierce en=3D20 taille. Those other&nbsp;suggestions generally work well, too. Way back = =3D in 1964,=3D20 I gave a recital in Wellington Cathedral of classic-French pieces, =3D showing how=3D20 you could fake all sorts of classic stops on an average Romantic organ. = =3D Mind=3D20 you, I was only 23 back then and the classic French music was about 105% = =3D unknown=3D20 amongst Wellington organists. I learned a great deal from playing the =3D Melville=3D20 Smith pair of lp's made at Marmoutier, and someone else in an even older = =3D   recording at St Merri, Paris. Anyone remember them? I've still got mine = =3D and=3D20 they're still quite playable - treasures to me.</DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_005F_01C184F1.244263C0--