PipeChat Digest #2571 - Friday, December 14, 2001
 
Pre listing of position
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
RE: Sforzando
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: imitation
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Organs of St. Paul's Cathedral, London
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
RE: Ross' comments about the Cornet
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Cornet IV
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Money-space issues
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
RE: Money-space issues
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Money-space issues
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: Assuring our future
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Gambas
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Cornet IV
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
OT:  BREAKING NEWS re: viruses
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Cornet IV
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Pre listing of position From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:20:11 -0500     Dear List:   I have recived significant funding from my administration to offer a part time position in our music department. It would be an ideal situation for = a college or graduate student. The following is a summation of the position =   and contact info. If you know of anyone searching for work, please pass this on.   Bridgewater UMC, Bridgewater NJ (Central NJ)   Part time music associate position   Aprox 10-12hrs per week 9 month contract   Major duties include instrumental support of the Adult choirs and = rehearsals of the same. Opportunities will exist for the exceptional candidate to conduct our outstanding ensembles and bell choirs. The position will also =   entail some administrative and ministry support in recruitment and = retention of memebers.   The church anticipates installation of a 4 Man 118 rank Allen custom organ =   in Feb of 02. The major piano is a 1920's Chickering, recently rebuilt in =   excellent condition. This position is likely to grow as the department offering increase.   Salary is compliant with AGO reccomendations and will depend on skills education. The chosen candidate will be required to obtain the AGO = service playing certificate within 12 months of hire.   Any questions please contact me at Bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com or at my office 908-526-1414 EXT7   Thanks in advance for your help!   Dr Craig Kesner Director of Music Ministries Principal Organist Bridgewater UMC     _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx    
(back) Subject: RE: Sforzando From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:53:46 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C184B7.838FDE50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Cari miei, non capite bene l'italiano. These would not be sforzando. Sforzando would be that choir member you want to get rid of but can't. -----Original Message----- From: Ross & Lynda Wards [mailto:TheShieling@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:50 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Sforzando     Someone was asking what "Sforzando" would be called in a = politically-correct organ. Could I suggest two words - 1. Pavarotti 2. Mario Lanza I like that scheme as given. Of course, the Principle (?) would have to be watered down these days to "Ethical Suggestion". The Open Wood, for greenie considerations, would have to become "Laminated non-hardwood". The console would become the "Empathic Counsel". The = coupler would have to signify whether gay or straight. The Swell shoe would become = a biodegradable, non-animal-product sandal. The pisston would become the Convenience. Any others? Ross   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C184B7.838FDE50 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D778045215-14122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Cari miei, non capite bene l'italiano. These would not be sforzando. Sforzando would = be that choir member you want to get rid of but can't.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ross &amp; Lynda Wards =   [mailto:TheShieling@xtra.co.nz]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 12, = 2001 2:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> PipeChat<BR><B>Subject:</B> = Sforzando<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV>Someone was asking what "Sforzando" would be called in a politically-correct organ. Could I suggest two words -</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;1. Pavarotti</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;2. Mario Lanza</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I like that scheme as given. Of course, the Principle (?) would have = to be watered down these days to "Ethical Suggestion". </DIV> <DIV>The Open Wood, for greenie considerations, would have to become = "Laminated non-hardwood". The console would become the "Empathic Counsel". The = coupler would have to signify whether gay or straight. The Swell shoe would become = a biodegradable, non-animal-product sandal. The pisston would become the Convenience. Any others?</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C184B7.838FDE50--  
(back) Subject: RE: imitation From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:58:25 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C184B8.29F89390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Let's hope it isn't the equivalent of and ice mom!! -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Wechsler [mailto:manderusa@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:11 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: imitation     Dear Daniel, Having lived for ten years in London, Ontario, I read the statement about the organ having "French stops from an exquisite Casavant in London, Ontario" with some interest. At first, I thought you were speaking of the pipe ranks you are having, but they did not suggest "French stops" at all, so my question was no longer "which exquisite Casavant in London" was = ready to give up some pipes, and why? Realizing now that you are speaking of sampled pipes from some London organ, can you say which instrument this = is? I pretty well know them all, and can think of two pre-war instruments I love, and one mechanical organ from the Phelps era that might, in a = stretch, make the cut. Is an Ice Dad the Hockey equivalent of a Soccer Mom? Cheers, Malcolm Wechsler   ----- Original Message ----- From: Icedad@aol.com <mailto:Icedad@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 12:44 AM Subject: Re: imitation   Dr. K,   Thank you for the plug for digital organs.We recently signed a = contract with Dunne Music, Orlando for a 3 manual 80 stop Renaissance with 7 rank = of real wind blown pipework. The Pipe ranks are: Principal 8', Octave 4', Fifteenth 2', Flute Harmonique 8', Bourdon 8', Spitzfloete 4', and = Trumpeta Real 8'. . . . . . . . . . Our organ will have French stops from an exquisite Casavant in London, Ontario. . . . . . . . . I have selected = the stops and the ranks of pipes for the installation.I will If you wish. I = will keep in contact with you concerning our nearing installation.   Sincerely,   Daniel     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C184B8.29F89390 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D709065815-14122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Let's hope it isn't the equivalent of and ice mom!!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Malcolm Wechsler [mailto:manderusa@earthlink.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 14, 2001 = 1:11 AM<BR><B>To:</B> PipeChat<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: = imitation<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Daniel,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Having lived for ten years in London, = Ontario, I read the statement about the organ having "French stops from an exquisite Casavant in London, Ontario" with some interest. At first, I thought you = were speaking of the pipe ranks you are having, but they did not suggest = "French stops" at all, so my question was no longer "which exquisite Casavant in = London" was ready to give up some pipes, and why? Realizing now that you are = speaking of sampled pipes from some London organ, can you say which instrument this = is? I pretty well know them all, and can think of two pre-war instruments = I&nbsp;love, and one mechanical organ from the Phelps era that might, in a stretch, = make the cut.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Is an Ice Dad the Hockey equivalent of a = Soccer Mom?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3DIcedad@aol.com = href=3D"mailto:Icedad@aol.com">Icedad@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dpipechat@pipechat.org href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 14, 2001 = 12:44 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: imitation</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3>Dr. K,<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you for the plug for digital organs.We recently signed a contract with Dunne Music, Orlando for&nbsp; = a 3 manual 80 stop Renaissance with 7 rank of real wind blown pipework. The = Pipe ranks are: Principal 8', Octave 4', Fifteenth 2', Flute Harmonique 8', = Bourdon 8', Spitzfloete 4', and Trumpeta Real 8'.&nbsp;. . . . . . . . . Our = organ will have French stops from an exquisite Casavant in London, Ontario. . = . . . . . . .&nbsp; I have selected the stops and the ranks of pipes for the installation.I will If you wish. I will keep in contact with you = concerning our nearing installation.<BR><BR>Sincerely,<BR><BR>Daniel <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C184B8.29F89390--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organs of St. Paul's Cathedral, London From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:59:14 -0500   I can highly recommend this book, - I bought it in St. Paul's Cathedral Bookstore when I was there in October of this year. It is a fine, well written history, with many fine illustrations, - and the price quoted in the OHS Web page catalogue is very fair, - I paid 24.95 English pounds for =   it in London, - it would make a fine Christmas present for anyone interested in the subject.   Bob Conway   At 05:20 PM 12/13/01 -0500, Bill van Pelt wrote: >In the December issue of The American Organist, Barbara Owen reviews a = brand >new book by by Nicholas Plumley and Austin Niland entitled, "A History of >the Organs in St. Paul's Cathedral." OHS has just received a shipment of >these books and they are available to order on the opening page of the = OHS >Catalog website, http://www.ohscatalog.org. Alas, the books arrived too >late to be included in the 80-page OHS Catalog 2002 that is now arriving = in >mailboxes, but the book is available from OHS, nonetheless.      
(back) Subject: RE: Ross' comments about the Cornet From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:35:42 -0500   Oh boy will I get it for this but here goes...On my Sweelinck (Johannus digital...eeeeek) I have a Cornet IV. Now I cannot fathom what would be missing except possibly the 2' pitch? Am I correct in the assumption? I = also have on my swell a Sesquialtera and, in fact, I use this along with flutes 8,4,2 when I want a cornet solo against a Flute 8 on the great, e.g. for O mensch bewein dein suende gross, etc. I prefer the sound of this latter to the very sterile sound of the actual Cornet IV which I think is fine for adding to the trumpet on this particular instrument to play the hymn tune = in the soprano with lesser registration in Swell. It has a clear bell = (sterile) tone that I find usefull for that purpose. But back to the originall question, since Johannus doesn't include in it's manual what the roman number ranked stops include and where they break can someone tell me what would one normally or more commonly use in a Cornet IV? thanks, Robert Colasacco  
(back) Subject: Cornet IV From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 08:47:19 -0800   On a pipe organ, a Cornet IV would normally be:   Prestant 4 Nasard 2 2/3 Quarte de Nasard 2 (wide-scale) Tierce 1 3/5   omitting the 8' Bourdon to save space and money. I don't recall ever actually SEEING this, though.   But I can't fathom why an electronic organ-maker would do this, as space and money isn't an issue.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: RE: Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:53:08 -0500   Many thanks. Yeah, I can't either. It's strange. I guess they really DO record these sounds digitally from "real" organs as they claim (which I = just doubt 'cause I'm a sceptic and believe nothing) and maybe the instrument they recorded this from had a Cornet IV????? Who knows. Thanks again. I've written Johannus and asked what all the Ranked = (mixture) stops are and where they break but they never replied. So I sat there one day and slowly play each note until I figured it out. I don't recommend anyone ever do that. It's time consuming and dumb. Unless, of course, you have a perfect and "quick" ear to brain connection!! Whatever that means. Robert   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:47 AM To: pipechat Subject: Cornet IV     On a pipe organ, a Cornet IV would normally be:   Prestant 4 Nasard 2 2/3 Quarte de Nasard 2 (wide-scale) Tierce 1 3/5   omitting the 8' Bourdon to save space and money. I don't recall ever actually SEEING this, though.   But I can't fathom why an electronic organ-maker would do this, as space and money isn't an issue.   Cheers,   Bud       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Money-space issues From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:14:39 +0000         > > > omitting the 8' Bourdon to save space and money. I don't recall ever > actually SEEING this, though. > > But I can't fathom why an electronic organ-maker would do this, as space > and money isn't an issue.   I have to disagree with the comment about space and money not being a factor in the design of the Johannus organ in question.   I had to consult on a project that involved the purchase of a Johannus. = (I was NOT involved in the selection process.) The organ was a model CH-55 with a very strange stoplist. Changes were possible. However, when attempting to make alterations that would provide a more logical stoplist, I found that you could not substitute one stop for another because some stops require much more computer memory space than others. Changes had to be made in the context of available memory. Obtaining more computer space would have meant spending more money.   Del Case Pacific Union College     > >    
(back) Subject: RE: Money-space issues From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:25:43 -0500   That must be an older model. I'm not even aware of any CH-55. There are = the Opus, Sweelinck, Rembrandt, and Monarke models but nothing that has a CH- number. Anyway that wasn't your point. It's interesting to know that even computer space is an issue. Thanks for the information. It explains why they wouldn't consider changing the 2' to a 32' on the pedal for me. A 32' foundation (Bourdon) is much more useful on the Pedal specification that already includes a 4' Choralbass and Rauschpfeife IV than the 2' = Nachthorn, no? You know, Bach's *Gravitas*. Robert Colasacco   Subject: Re: Money-space issues     stops require much more computer memory space than others. Changes had to be made in the context of available memory. Obtaining more computer space would have meant spending more money.   Del Case Pacific Union College     >  
(back) Subject: Re: Money-space issues From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:39:04 -0500   At 09:14 AM 14/12/2001 +0000, Del Case wrote:       >(SNIP)   > However, when attempting to make alterations that would provide a more > logical stoplist, >I found that you could not substitute one stop for another because some >stops require much more computer memory space than others.     This is precisely the difference between some of the big name builders of organs with digitally sampled voices and Walker Technical. With Walker a voice gets all the memory it needs to reproduce the sample faithfully. Walker does not sacrifice quality reproduction of the =   voice to save memory cost.   HD      
(back) Subject: Re: Assuring our future From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:51:07 EST   Bruce wrote:       > My suggestion would be to sing unaccompanied. > =A0Perhaps get a small piano, or better yet, an octave of > handbells for pitch. =A0=A0=A0DO WITHOUT AN INSTRUMENT. > =A0=A0Let people know that they are actually without an > organ. =A0=A0There is nothing wrong with unaccompanied > singing. =A0=A0=A0When the roof is fixed and they've realized > that money can be raised for things that they really > need, get started on raising money for a small pipe > organ which could sit where the electronic's console is > now. =A0=A0=A0A nice portative would be perfect. =A0=A0Be creative!     Gee, what a great idea. Then they won't need an organist, either. And they= =20 already have a piano player.   And how much pipe organ will fit under an 8' ceiling, with the existing=20 ancient electronic console sitting as it is in the aisle? I can't see that=20 there is any room for anything bigger than this small console.   Vicki  
(back) Subject: Gambas From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:05:07 -0500   Ross writes:   >I think there is a distinction between the Gamba and the Viola da Gamba = in tone and construction. In my experience, a Viola da Gamba is of bigger scale, lower and wider mouth, and is not as "hard" in tone as a Gamba. = Too, I have seen it often not slotted, as I believe it is the slot in both = Gambas and Diapasons that give the hard ege, the slotted Diapason sometimes being known as "Horn Diapason". The Viola, to me, is a broader-sounding warmer string. The Viola da Gamba is somewhere in between. One of the finest = string ranks I ever heard was in California - a Viola Pomposa. It was big, = broad, very warm, and could be used as the 8ft "Diapason" in the Swell, or with = the Celeste to make a very beautiful sound, or just on its own with the box = shut to give a most ethereal sound. Absolutely wonderful rank, made about 1985 = I think.   A Viola da Gamba is a musical instrument. A Gamba is a leg.   Perhaps the difference in tone is merely fortuitous: an increasing taste = for broader strings coinciding with a growing meticulousness and = sophistication regarding foreign languages among organ builders.   If I were an organ builder, I might be persuaded to build a keen hard = string sometime, but for the good of my reputation I would be loth to put "Gamba" on the stop knob.   Paul    
(back) Subject: Re: Cornet IV From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 08:15:24 +1030     Hi Robert,   Can you throw any light on why Johannus never replied?   Ian.     > From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:53:08 -0500 > To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: RE: Cornet IV   > I've written Johannus and asked what all the Ranked (mixture) > stops are and where they break but they never replied. > Robert    
(back) Subject: OT: BREAKING NEWS re: viruses From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:12:31 -0600   Just one more bit of evidence that your List Administrators are ever-vigilant at bringing you ALL the latest information about computer viruses...... ;-))   Cheers, all!   Tim   -------------------forwarded message text follows---------------------   > >COMPUTER VIRUS MAKING TO BE PROSECUTED AS HATE CRIME=20 >FOR TARGETING STUPID PEOPLE >Systems Administrators Now On Front Lines of Bias Crime > > >Washington, D.C. =97 With yet another email virus spreading across the=20 >globe, 41 U.S. states and six European countries today announced that the= =20 >act of creating an attachment-based computer virus will now be considered a= =20 >hate crime because it intentionally targets stupid people. >"In a hate crime, the offender is motivated by the victim's personal=20 >characteristics, and in the case of email viruses, the maker is clearly=20 >singling out those who open email attachments when they've been told a=20 >thousand times not to," said California Attorney General Bill Lockyer.=20 >"Like any other segment of the population, people of stupidity need=20 >protection from bias." >The decision, however, is already causing a firestorm of controversy. In=20 >the United States, the American Civil Liberties Union vehemently opposed=20 >the action, arguing it runs counter to the spirit of hate crime laws. >"Hate crime statutes are specifically designed to protect minority groups,"= =20 >said ACLU President Nadine Strossen. "I'm not sure the number of stupid=20 >computer users meets that criterion." >France, meanwhile, said it would not prosecute anyone willing to write a=20 >virus in French. >But in London, the British Civil Idiots Union applauded the move, arguing= =20 >that virus-based hate crimes cause victims to suffer psychological harm.=20 >"Every time we pass on one of these emails, our self-esteem is shattered=20 >when we are forced to publicize our condition," said CIU President Michael= =20 >Overly. "It's always a shock to my system every time I have to write, "Hey= =20 >everybody, if you get an email attachment from me, don't open it! I just=20 >found out my computer got infected by a virus! Sorry!" >In identifying virus-based hate crime activity, U.S. and European law=20 >enforcement authorities said they will focus on anyone creating a virus=20 >delivered via email attachment that contains either no subject line or a=20 >vague subject line such as "Hey, check this out!" "I saw this and thought= =20 >of you!" or "I am wanting to get your opinion on this." >Congressional leaders also said they will amend the 1990 Hate Crimes=20 >Statistics Act and require the FBI to track data on crimes based on race,= =20 >religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity, or stupidity. As a result, some=20 >experts expect the annual number of hate crimes in the U.S. alone to jump= =20 >from 6,500 to 132 million. >Others believe the actual number will be higher, but say many crimes will= =20 >go unreported because the victim refuses to recognize what has happened.=20 >Dallas, Texas resident Mike Smith is a case in point. >"I am not a victim of a hate crime because I am not stupid," said Smith. "I= =20 >got an email with an attachment from my buddy in Phoenix, so naturally, I= =20 >opened it. What's so stupid about that?" >What, Smith was asked, did the email say? >"It said, 'I_love_you.' Why?" >In Moline, Ill., police have already made their first arrest under the=20 >expanded laws. Matthew Spere, a 17-year-old high school senior, was taken= =20 >into custody this morning after police said he had created and propagated a= =20 >variant of the "Goner" virus. In a phone interview, Spere denied the=20 >charges. "My virus wasn't targeting stupid computer users specifically,=20 >just anyone using Microsoft's Outlook Express or AOL," he said. "Oh...= damn." > >Copyright =A9 2001, SatireWire. >Original article: http://www.satirewire.com/news/0112/hate_crime.shtml    
(back) Subject: Re: Cornet IV From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:26:21 EST     --part1_11e.91fb1aa.294be49d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/14/01 11:51:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > But I can't fathom why an electronic organ-maker would do this, as space > and money isn't an issue. >   Well, shoot. If you're going to be fake, at least be authentic!!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_11e.91fb1aa.294be49d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/14/01 11:51:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">But I can't fathom = why an electronic organ-maker would do this, as space <BR>and money isn't an issue. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Well, shoot. &nbsp;If you're going to be fake, at least be = authentic!!! &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11e.91fb1aa.294be49d_boundary--