PipeChat Digest #2572 - Saturday, December 15, 2001
 
Re: Assuring our future
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
apples and uglifruit, again
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
tiny pipe organs
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Assuring our future
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
tiny pipe organs
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
French Romantic Organ Sheet Music on CD-ROM
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Re: Assuring our future
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: tiny pipe organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Assuring our future
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Assuring our future
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
 

(back) Subject: Re: Assuring our future From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:31:24 EST     --part1_10e.9423383.294be5cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/14/01 2:51:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes:     > And how much pipe organ will fit under an 8' ceiling, with the existing > ancient electronic console sitting as it is in the aisle? I can't see = that > there is any room for anything bigger than this small console. >   A five stop portative (Gedekt 8, Rohrflute 4, Principal 2, Larigot 1-1/3, Mixture III) would fit in a box slightly larger than a standard console = and you could see over it. The blower could be in the bench. Even if the = pipes were at keyboard level, the talles pipe would be only about 4' tall. It = CAN be done!!! The "organist" could be the music director until there was =   money for an organ. I've played in a good number of churches where I = would rather have lead unaccompanied singing than play the crumpy organish = machine.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_10e.9423383.294be5cc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/14/01 2:51:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Myosotis51@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">And how much pipe = organ will fit under an 8' ceiling, with the existing <BR>ancient electronic console sitting as it is in the aisle? &nbsp;I = can't see that <BR>there is any room for anything bigger than this small console. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>A five stop portative (Gedekt 8, Rohrflute 4, Principal 2, Larigot = 1-1/3, Mixture III) would fit in a box slightly larger than a standard = console and you could see over it. &nbsp;The blower could be in the bench. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Even if the pipes were at keyboard level, the talles pipe = would be only about 4' tall. &nbsp;It CAN be done!!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The "organist" could be the music director = until there was money for an organ. &nbsp;I've played in a good number of = churches where I would rather have lead unaccompanied singing than play = the crumpy organish machine. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_10e.9423383.294be5cc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: apples and uglifruit, again From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:51:31 -0800   Well, it seems to me that it would have to be a pretty LOW-end ELECTRONIC organ that didn't have room in the memory for another 8' Bourdon.   Alternatively, couldn't they do a cross-over or filter or some such and take it from somewhere else?   This seems VERY strange to me.   I understand about Allen's cages and all that on their custom organs ... but even there, there's ample room to "fudge" additional stops to a certain extent, or at least get more than one pitch out of a single whatever-makes-the-noise. They often do that with the mixture generators .... BAD Allen! (grin)   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: tiny pipe organs From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:08:37 -0800     --------------4081EB13DF59BAC0BE7B4D6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   If we're going to talk concrete examples of tiny pipe organs to compete with electronics, for SERVICE-PLAYING, I'd MUCH rather have something similar to what Ott built for the chancel of Founders' Chapel at the University of San Diego:   MANUAL - stops divided at middle c   8' Open Diapason - 1-12 stopped wood, but voiced as much like a Violone as possible 8' Chimney Flute - metal 8' Gemshorn or String? ... I forget ... 1-12 stopped Quintadena pipes 4' Octave 4' Flute - open metal 2' Fifteenth   at this point, Ott did a compound stop that was a mixture in the bass and a cornet in the treble; Holtkamp did something similar on the Positiv of St. James Anglican Catholic Church in Cleveland.   I'd opt for a 1 1/3 or an 8' Oboe instead. Or nothing, if cost is a BIG factor.   PEDAL   16' Bourdon Manual to Pedal coupler   Now, I've seen Walcker organs where the 16' Bourdon was built into the base of the platform on which the organ stood ... the pipes in effect were mitered in half, so that low C was only four feet long, so the platform could be no more than five feet square. It wasn't great, but it WAS a 16' sound.   Point: small dead rooms NEED larger scales and MORE bass. Bruce, your Portativ, unless voiced VERY carefully, would be EXCRUCIATING in a dead room with an 8' ceiling. Furthermore, it wouldn't CARRY or have the WEIGHT needed for congregational singing. That's why I like the Ott so much ... he managed to get an 8' OPEN DIAPASON into an AMAZINGLY small space ... in that case the organ had to fit between two VERY NARROW arches on one side of the chancel. The blower wasn't in the bench, but it fit in the base of the TINY case.   No, you can't see over it ... the organist has his back to the altar ... but I didn't have any problem following the Mass with a small rear-view mirror. Had there been a choir, there were stalls to either side of the key-desk ... they would have been able to see my directions out of the corners of their eyes.   Cheers,   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 12/14/01 2:51:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Myosotis51@aol.com writes: > > > >> And how much pipe organ will fit under an 8' ceiling, with the >> existing >> ancient electronic console sitting as it is in the aisle? I can't >> see that >> there is any room for anything bigger than this small console. > > A five stop portative (Gedekt 8, Rohrflute 4, Principal 2, Larigot > 1-1/3, Mixture III) would fit in a box slightly larger than a standard > console and you could see over it. The blower could be in the > bench. Even if the pipes were at keyboard level, the talles pipe > would be only about 4' tall. It CAN be done!!! The "organist" > could be the music director until there was money for an organ. I've > played in a good number of churches where I would rather have lead > unaccompanied singing than play the crumpy organish machine. > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ > and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --------------4081EB13DF59BAC0BE7B4D6B Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> If we're going to talk concrete examples of tiny pipe organs to compete with electronics, for SERVICE-PLAYING, I'd MUCH rather have something = similar to what Ott built for the chancel of Founders' Chapel at the University of San Diego: <p>MANUAL - stops divided at middle c <p>8' Open Diapason - 1-12 stopped wood, but voiced as much like a Violone as possible <br>8' Chimney Flute - metal <br>8' Gemshorn or String? ... I forget ... 1-12 stopped Quintadena pipes <br>4' Octave <br>4' Flute - open metal <br>2' Fifteenth <p>at this point, Ott did a compound stop that was a mixture in the bass and a cornet in the treble; Holtkamp did something similar on the Positiv of St. James Anglican Catholic Church in Cleveland. <p>I'd opt for a 1 1/3 or an 8' Oboe instead. Or nothing, if cost is a BIG factor. <p>PEDAL <p>16' Bourdon <br>Manual to Pedal coupler <p>Now, I've seen Walcker organs where the 16' Bourdon was built into the base of the platform on which the organ stood ... the pipes in effect were mitered in half, so that low C was only four feet long, so the platform could be no more than five feet square. It wasn't great, but it WAS a 16' sound. <p>Point: small dead rooms NEED larger scales and MORE bass. Bruce, your Portativ, unless voiced VERY carefully, would be EXCRUCIATING in a dead room with an 8' ceiling. Furthermore, it wouldn't CARRY or have the WEIGHT needed for congregational singing. That's why I like the Ott so much ... he managed to get an 8' OPEN DIAPASON into an AMAZINGLY small space ... in that case the organ had to fit between two VERY NARROW arches on one side of the chancel. The blower wasn't in the bench, but it fit in the base of the TINY case. <p>No, you can't see over it ... the organist has his back to the altar .... but I didn't have any problem following the Mass with a small = rear-view mirror. Had there been a choir, there were stalls to either side of the key-desk ... they would have been able to see my directions out of the corners of their eyes. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 12/14/01 2:51:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Myosotis51@aol.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>And how much pipe organ will fit under an 8' ceiling, with the = existing</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>ancient electronic = console sitting as it is in the aisle?&nbsp; I can't see that</font></font> <br><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>there is any room for = anything bigger than this small console.</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>A five = stop portative (Gedekt 8, Rohrflute 4, Principal 2, Larigot 1-1/3, Mixture III) would fit in a box slightly larger than a standard console and you could see over it.&nbsp; The blower could be in the bench.&nbsp;&nbsp; Even if the pipes were at keyboard level, the talles pipe would be only about 4' = tall.&nbsp; It CAN be done!!!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The "organist" could be the music director until there was money for an organ.&nbsp; I've played in a good number of churches where I would rather have lead unaccompanied singing than play the crumpy organish machine.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Please = visit Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>&nbsp; = and wander through the Mall Without Walls</font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------4081EB13DF59BAC0BE7B4D6B--    
(back) Subject: Re: Assuring our future From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:03:11 -0800   Yes, Bruce, it can be done, but who would want to play it for services? Not me. Besides my normal church, I play at times in two other churches in this small city. One has a fine little Hill of one manual, no pedals and six stops, the other has a modern Johannus electronic. The Hill very soon frustrates through the impossibility of playing most of the organ repertoire, and the lack of variety of tone. The Johannus has plenty of variety and a very good sound. Both churches have a good acoustic. Another point, that little squeak box you described would cost more than a much more comprehensive electronic organ of good quality, and in a church with little available funds that is very important. You can advocate such a purchase of course. Pardon me mentioning it but you would not have to play it week after week!! Bob Elms.  
(back) Subject: tiny pipe organs From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:28:02 -0800   Bob, I have to disagree with you on that score ... I have played some EXQUISITE small pipe organs that NEVER tired the ear.   As to repertoire, if a one-manual organ has divided stops, that considerably expands what one can play on it. On the example I cited one could play   just about any of the French harmonium music, from Franck through Tournemire and Langlais .... granted, it DID need a treble 16' stop to be able to play some of the Franck Frescobaldi - Fiori Musicali, certainly all of the manualiter pieces of the Bach Clavieruebung III all of the Bach preludes and fugues that don't REQUIRE a second manual, which is MOST of them A good bit of the French classical repertoire, due to the treble cornet .... I think there WAS an Oboe as well Reger Chorale Preludes Op. 65 (?) ... at any rate, the fairly big 2-3-4 page ones English 17th and 18th century voluntaries Walther and Pachelbel partitas and chorale preludes   What WAS lacking was a cantus firmus stop in the pedal, so, no, you COULDN'T play those chorale preludes.   Now, have I left out much that would be useful to a CHURCH organist? I played a fairly extensive pre-nuptial recital on that organ, drawn from ALL of the above.   A point to consider: most village organists DON'T play the big repertoire, so they DON'T need a big organ. What they NEED is a sound of SUBSTANCE that can play hymns, and the service music, if it's a liturgical church.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: French Romantic Organ Sheet Music on CD-ROM From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 19:30:46 -0500   The folks who produce the very popular CD-Sheet Music have just announced= a brand new release: French Romantic Organ Music. OHS will have stock of t= he new release on Monday to fill orders that arrive over the weekend.   Over 1,800 pages of music are included on the CD-ROM, including works (an= d sometimes most or all of the organ works) by: Dupr=E9, Franck, Gigout, Guilmant, Honegger, Ropartz, Saint-Sa=EBns, Satie, Tournemire, Vierne, an= d Widor.   The complete contents are listed at http://www.ohscatatlog.org Click on t= he red button marked "Sheet Music" at the upper left, then, when the Sheet Music Page comes up, click on the CD-Sheet Music ikon.   Thanks   Bill    
(back) Subject: Re: Assuring our future From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:47:18 EST   Bob Elms writes:   > Another point, that little squeak box you described would cost more >than a much more comprehensive electronic organ of good quality, <<   Your statement obviates the conflict, Bob. For some there is NO = electronic organ of good quality, regardless of how comprehensive it may appear to = be.   Best wishes, Jim P  
(back) Subject: Re: tiny pipe organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:38:52 EST     --part1_47.1506f146.294c3bec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/14/01 7:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > Bruce, your Portativ, unless voiced VERY carefully, would be = EXCRUCIATING in > a dead room with an 8' ceiling. Furthermore, it wouldn't CARRY or have = the > WEIGHT needed for congregational singing.   It was just an offthetopomyhead example. I personally would not design ANYTHING without an 8' Principal. I would be very happy with a two-rank Principal 8 and 4 Scuddemore, and in lieu of 16' pedal I think a 5-1/3 = quinte would serve the bass well, doubling back to 8 at C. I would always be happy with a nice one-manual, especially if the stops = are divided and I get a cornet (I LUV playing low C with a cornet on!!!)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_47.1506f146.294c3bec_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/14/01 7:05:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Bruce, your = Portativ, unless voiced VERY carefully, would be EXCRUCIATING in a dead = room with an 8' ceiling. Furthermore, it wouldn't CARRY or have the WEIGHT = needed for congregational singing. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>It was just an offthetopomyhead example. &nbsp;I personally would not = design ANYTHING without an 8' Principal. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would be very happy = with a two-rank Principal 8 and 4 Scuddemore, and in lieu of 16' pedal I = think a 5-1/3 quinte would serve the bass well, doubling back to 8 at C. <BR> &nbsp; <BR>I would always be happy with a nice one-manual, especially if the = stops are divided and I get a cornet (I LUV playing low C with a cornet = on!!!) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_47.1506f146.294c3bec_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Assuring our future From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 00:48:59 EST     --part1_53.1015722f.294c3e4b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/14/01 7:07:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > Yes, Bruce, it can be done, but who would want to play it for services?   I would! I'd love it. I played weekly recitals (using appropriate literature) on a one manual, 3 stop (Diapason, Gedeckt, Viola) Felgemaker pipe organ with 17 pedals which used the low 17 stopped bass of the = manual. Of course, it didn't play "literature of all periods" (- GAD.. what decent =   small organ does?) but it has a beautiful sound and was all that the room needed (seated about 100).     > One has a fine little Hill of one manual, no pedals and six stops, the = other > has a modern Johannus electronic. The Hill very soon frustrates through = the > impossibility of playing most of the organ repertoire, and the lack of > variety of tone. The Johannus has plenty of variety and a very good = sound. >   That's where we differ. I would quickly grow weary of listening to the electronic sound (regardless of how many "different" ones there are) and = the inability to play ANY literature well on such a sound. I would enjoy far =   more the beauty of the Hill pipes.   > Another point, that little squeak box you described would cost more than = a > much more comprehensive electronic organ of good quality, and in a = church > with little available funds that is very important. You can advocate = such > a purchase of course. Pardon me mentioning it but you would not have to > play it week after week!!   A comprehensive electronic of good quality ... a wonderful chain of oxymoronic terms of contradiction!!! ;-) The "squeak box" I described = was simply an example of ONE way the organ could be done. Many builders = could come up with a suitable and effective instrument PROVIDED the organist or church did not impose unreasonable expectations for its performance. = Again, I (that is, ME!) would much rather listen to one fine rank of principal = pipes than 80 reproduced "voices".           Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_53.1015722f.294c3e4b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/14/01 7:07:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yes, Bruce, it can = be done, but who would want to play it for services?</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I would! &nbsp;I'd love it. &nbsp;&nbsp;I played = weekly recitals (using appropriate literature) on a one manual, 3 stop = (Diapason, Gedeckt, Viola) Felgemaker pipe organ with 17 pedals which used = the low 17 stopped bass of the manual. &nbsp;&nbsp;Of course, it didn't = play "literature of all periods" (- GAD.. what decent small organ does?) = but it has a beautiful sound and was all that the room needed (seated = about 100). <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">One has a fine little Hill of one manual, no pedals and six stops, = the other has a modern Johannus electronic. The Hill very soon frustrates = through the impossibility of playing most of the organ repertoire, and the = lack of variety of tone. The Johannus has plenty of variety and &nbsp;a = very good sound. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">That's where we differ. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would = quickly grow weary of listening to the electronic sound (regardless of how = many "different" ones there are) and the inability to play ANY literature = well on such a sound. &nbsp;&nbsp;I would enjoy far more the beauty of the = Hill pipes. <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Another point, = that little squeak box you described would cost more than a much more = comprehensive electronic organ of good quality, and in a church with = little available funds that is very important. &nbsp;You can advocate such = a purchase of course. Pardon me mentioning it but you would not have to = play it week after week!! </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">A comprehensive electronic of good quality = &nbsp;... a wonderful chain of oxymoronic terms of contradiction!!! = &nbsp;;-) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The "squeak box" I described was simply an = example of ONE way the organ could be done. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Many = builders could come up with a suitable and effective instrument PROVIDED = the organist or church did not impose unreasonable expectations for its = performance. &nbsp;&nbsp;Again, I (that is, ME!) would much rather listen = to one fine rank of principal pipes than 80 reproduced "voices". <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_53.1015722f.294c3e4b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Assuring our future From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 01:00:47 -0500     Hmmm....No electronics of good quality, curious. Sounds like musical fundamentalism.     >Bob Elms writes: > > > Another point, that little squeak box you described would cost more > >than a much more comprehensive electronic organ of good quality, << > >Your statement obviates the conflict, Bob. For some there is NO = electronic >organ of good quality, regardless of how comprehensive it may appear to = be. > >Best wishes, >Jim P > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >         _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.