PipeChat Digest #2574 - Sunday, December 16, 2001
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #2572 - 12/15/01
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Gaudete Sunday - St. Matthew's ACC - Costa Mesa CA USA (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #2572 - 12/15/01
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
tone and wee organs
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
wee organs
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2572 - 12/15/01 From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 03:38:07 -0800   Ross, your prejudice shows. I have a small digital organ in my lounge room and there is no way it sounds "frightful". I wish you would not exaggerate particularly as it is apparent you have not the faintest intention of ever admitting that a digital instrument can sound fine. That is prejudice my friend. It sounds fine in my lounge; why shouldn't it sound even better in a church seating 60 or 70 people. It does, as I have used it in local buildings, chiefly for funerals and services in rural church services meeting in a small hall.I hope you are not about to tell me that I cannot recognize good organ tone.   You loved the "wee" organ, Ross so you play it. I would probably love the sound but not the lack of utility in a church service.   Let me tell you something Ross. I added a digital stop to my church organ (pedal dulciana). My minister was inclined to sneer at it as you do,and when challenged said that he could tell the difference between the pedal dulciana and that on the great. I played a few notes on each and he picked the electronic stop as the pipe rank at first, and then finally got it right, but only because I played one note on the pipe rank that had a slight fault in speech! Only by its shortcomings did he recognize the pipe rank!!!! Bob Elms.     Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: > An electronic instrument would have sounded frightful in such a small = space,> right out of keeping. In this wee organ, every pipe was a charming = musical instrument. > Regards, > Ross  
(back) Subject: Gaudete Sunday - St. Matthew's ACC - Costa Mesa CA USA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 07:02:25 -0800   Sung Holy Communion with choir at 9 a.m.   Voluntary - Elevation on Mass IX - Benoit Processional Hymn - Rejoice, Rejoice Believers - Greenland (Michael Haydn) Setting - Merbecke Canticle - Benedictus - Monk in G Offertory Anthem - O Pray For The Peace of Jerusalem - Blow Communion Voluntary - another Elevation on Mass IX - Benoit Anthem - Ave Verum - Chaussoin Hymn - Creator of the Stars of Night - Conditor alme siderum Kneeling Hymn - Day By Day - Sumner Recessional Hymn - Hark! A Thrilling Voice Is Sounding - Merton Voluntary - Improvisation on Merton   High Mass without choir at 11 a.m.   Proper - Gaudete - Psalm Tone 8, 6 same hymns, Setting and voluntaries no anthems   I suppose I should get on the road (grin) ...   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2572 - 12/15/01 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:18:43 EST     --part1_4c.3849986.294e2363_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/16/01 6:45:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes:     > Ross, your prejudice shows.   It is not prejudice. It is preference. Why is it a abhorrent to prefer = the sound of real pipes. Some people think naugahyde furniture coverings = are beautiful. No thanky! I think it looks "frightful." Real leather = please. Maybe you can't tell the difference at first glance, but sit down and snuggle in and it becomes apparent. Smell is like hearing: take a whiff = of the naugahyde, take a whiff of the leather. Some people are more = sensitive to sound than others. Some are more tolerant of quality levels than others. I'm with Ross, here. And although some say that you must have = a swell box for the great Anglican choral literature, very often that literature sounds frightful done by little choirs in little rooms. I = guess people just want things to be what they're not!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_4c.3849986.294e2363_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/16/01 6:45:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, elmsr@albanyis.com.au writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ross, your = prejudice shows. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>It is not prejudice. &nbsp;It is preference. &nbsp;&nbsp;Why is it a = abhorrent to prefer the sound of real pipes. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Some people = think naugahyde furniture coverings are beautiful. &nbsp;No thanky! = &nbsp;I think it looks "frightful." &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Real leather please. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Maybe you can't tell the difference at first glance, but sit = down and snuggle in and it becomes apparent. &nbsp;&nbsp;Smell is like = hearing: &nbsp;take a whiff of the naugahyde, take a whiff of the leather. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Some people are more sensitive to sound than others. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Some are more tolerant of quality levels than others. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I'm with Ross, here. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And although some say = that you must have a swell box for the great Anglican choral literature, = very often that literature sounds frightful done by little choirs in = little rooms. &nbsp;I guess people just want things to be what they're = not! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4c.3849986.294e2363_boundary--  
(back) Subject: tone and wee organs From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:50:13 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0024_01C186D7.D78CBCE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear Bob, Arguments in favour of electronics usually run with the following: 1. The instrument/model you heard must have been out of date 2. It couldn't have been installed properly, i.e. the thing wasn't =3D voiced for the room 3. It couldn't have been installed properly, i.e. the speakers were =3D deficient 4. You can't get enough stops on a pipe organ of comparable cost 5. Are you daring to tell me that my ears are less sensitive than =3D yours? 6. The small organ would be less appropriate for the musical needs of =3D St Bloggs's parish 7. You're just deranged and biassed, anyway.   These are the arguments I hear all the time, not just from this List but = =3D from everywhere else, and have heard them year in and year out.=3D20   And no, Bob, of course I'm not talking of your ears or those of your =3D clergyman. I couldn't possibly do that as, 1. I've never met either of you 2. I can never experience what you hear when you listen to something, =3D even a blackbird's call. For me to criticise anyone else's ears would be as bad as me saying =3D someone else's eyes were insensitive to colour if they didn't like the =3D paintings and colour schemes I do - that would be arrogant and silly, =3D and I won't go there.   On the other hand, I know what electronic sound does to me, and I don't = =3D like it.   Another small church I know, wooden, seating perhaps 60 and getting 25 =3D at a service, has a tracker organ, fully enclosed in a very effective =3D box, 2.5" wind. Big scaling and warm voicing full of harmonics. No =3D obvious speech transients. Made by Cousans of Lincoln, England. Compass = =3D only 4 octaves, from FF upwards. Straight ranks. No pedals or =3D accessories except the Swell Pedal. 16 Bourdon (plays bottom note of chord only)(to FFF) 8 Open Diapason (to FF) 8 Gedackt (wood) 8 Dulciana (borrowed TenC down) 4 Principal Octave Coupler   This organ is remarkably effective, giving a very vigorous account of =3D itself with 8 & 4 principals and octave coupler, yet can, with Dulciana = =3D and box shut, go down to the merest whisper of sound. For what the organ = =3D is, and the space it takes up, in this country church where no one is =3D talented, it's great.   Ears are just as differently sensitive to tone as palates and tongues =3D are to taste. I'm no gourmet and don't like wine, or whisky, at all, as = =3D anything with alcohol in it to me is just another variety of nasty and =3D bitter. When I had to have a dram with the chief of Clan MacLeod at =3D Dunvegan Castle on the Isle of Skye, I had to pretend to appreciate it, = =3D of course, but it was revolting. Yes, this makes me peculiar, as I am =3D well aware that hordes of people go into raptures about wines and =3D whiskies and the whole culture thing that goes with them. Well, the =3D thing is, my nose and palate are different, and I'm sure I appear as a =3D moronic clod to others. So be it. I am what I am. I'm not a moronic =3D clod, of course, and can no more change the character of my nose and =3D palate, by wishing to, than the colour blind person can change his =3D sight.=3D20   I also play the Highland bagpipes, and have done for 46 years. About 25 = =3D years ago, various companies started making plastic pipe chanters. Not a = =3D very great deal cheaper than the traditional African Blackwood, or =3D similar wood, but in some ways better for a band as it's dead easy to =3D get a matching set of a dozen, where wood is very difficult indeed to =3D get absolute matches in tone. My prediction was that the plastic =3D wouldn't last, that plastic sounded odd. (I could give the difference in = =3D harmonic structure as I hear it, but won't here). However, even soloists = =3D took up the plastic in a very big way. Well, 25 years on, the plastic chanters have improved no end (no demise, = =3D though), and bands are using them often, but almost 100% of the =3D soloists, and almost 100% of the top bands have now gone back to wood, =3D even though the plastics have become relatively cheaper and the wood =3D relatively more expensive still. Why? Need anyone ask?=3D20   Another illustration. About 15 years ago, as President of the local =3D Organists' Association, I was part of an inner city's music trust. The =3D church had lots of money for a grand piano, and I was the only one who =3D opposed a Japanese grand piano. (All the others, by the way, except the = =3D Minister who was Chairman, ex officio from the parish, were professional = =3D musicians.) I lost, of course, and a 9ft grand from Japan was installed, = =3D to hoopla in the parish and the newspapers after the intial concert. The = =3D church, by the way, has quite fair acoustics and seats about 450 - a =3D Renaissance-style concrete structure with a very high roof and large =3D west gallery. Funny, though, that two years ago the church got rid of the Japanese =3D grand, making a loss over the original purchase price and, at =3D considerable expense, bought a new 8ft German grand, i.e. a foot shorter = =3D than the Japanese piano. I'm ecstatic about the tone, and I guarantee =3D the musical community will continue to be as well, not wishing the =3D piano's "demise" in a few years.   Need I go on? As I said, nothing of this is being critical of you or =3D anyone else. All it does is illustrate different ears.   I can generally hear good rhythm, but I don't have the rock-steady =3D rhythm of Reg Dixon (of theatre organ fame) or untold squadzaptillions =3D of others. I just haven't. I have congenital atrial fibrillation, which = =3D means I have all my life had a most ludicrous lack of rhythm in my heart = =3D beat - regular for a few seconds, then maybe three beats in one second, = =3D then maybe a dotted rhythm for ten seconds, then nothing at all for =3D three or four seconds, and so on. I'm symptom-free, except that with the = =3D pills I have to take to keep my heart slower and slightly better in =3D rhythm than it would otherwise be, I don't have the ability to undertake = =3D frenzied muscular activity, except for very short bursts indeed. =3D Probably my lack of a natural sense of rhythm comes from this. It's a =3D silly thing, but there it is, and I can be jealous of others with good =3D rhythm in their hearts and in their fingers, but it would do no good. I = =3D am what I am, and have to accept difference.   So with ears.   End of sermon, from this clergybod, Regards to everyone,=3D20 Ross             ------=3D_NextPart_000_0024_01C186D7.D78CBCE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Dear Bob,</DIV> <DIV>Arguments in favour of electronics usually run with the =3D following:</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;1. The instrument/model you heard must have been out of =3D date</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;2. It couldn't have been installed properly, i.e. the thing =3D wasn't=3D20 voiced for the room</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;3. It couldn't have been installed properly, i.e. the =3D speakers were=3D20 deficient</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;4. You can't get enough stops on a pipe organ of = comparable=3D20 cost</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;5. Are you daring to tell me that my ears are less sensitive = =3D than=3D20 yours?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;6. The small organ would be less appropriate for the musical = =3D needs of=3D20 St Bloggs's parish</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;7. You're just deranged and biassed, anyway.</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>These are the arguments I hear all the time, not just from this =3D List but=3D20 from everywhere else, and have heard them year in and year out. </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>And no, Bob, of course I'm not talking of your ears or those of =3D your=3D20 clergyman. I couldn't possibly do that as,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;1. I've never met either of you</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;2. I can never experience what you hear when you listen to =3D something,=3D20 even a blackbird's call.</DIV> <DIV>For me to criticise anyone else's ears would be as bad as me saying = =3D someone=3D20 else's eyes were insensitive to colour if they didn't like the paintings = =3D and=3D20 colour schemes I do - that would be arrogant and silly, and I won't = go=3D20 there.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT size=3D3D3>On the other hand,</FONT> </FONT>I = =3D know what=3D20 electronic sound does to me, and I don't like it.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Another small church I know, wooden, seating perhaps 60 and getting = =3D 25 at a=3D20 service, has a tracker organ, fully enclosed in a very effective box, =3D 2.5" wind.=3D20 Big scaling and warm voicing full of harmonics. No obvious speech =3D transients.=3D20 Made by Cousans of Lincoln, England. Compass only 4 octaves, from FF =3D upwards.=3D20 Straight ranks. No pedals or accessories except the Swell Pedal.</DIV> <DIV>16&nbsp; Bourdon (plays bottom note of chord only)(to FFF)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp; 8&nbsp; Open Diapason (to FF)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp; 8&nbsp; Gedackt&nbsp; (wood)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp; 8&nbsp; Dulciana&nbsp; (borrowed TenC down)</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp; 4&nbsp; Principal</DIV> <DIV>Octave Coupler</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>This organ is remarkably effective, giving a very vigorous account = =3D of=3D20 itself with 8 &amp; 4 principals and octave coupler, yet can, with =3D Dulciana and=3D20 box shut, go down to the merest whisper of sound. For what the organ is, = =3D and the=3D20 space it takes up, in this country church where no one is talented, it's = =3D   great.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Ears are just as differently sensitive to tone as palates and =3D tongues are=3D20 to taste. I'm no gourmet and&nbsp;don't like wine, or whisky, at all, as = =3D   anything with alcohol in it to me is just another variety of nasty and =3D bitter.=3D20 When I had to have a dram with the chief of Clan MacLeod at Dunvegan =3D Castle on=3D20 the Isle of Skye, I had to pretend to appreciate it, of course, but it =3D was=3D20 revolting. Yes, this makes me peculiar, as I am well aware that hordes =3D of people=3D20 go into raptures about wines and whiskies and the whole culture thing =3D that goes=3D20 with them. Well, the thing is, my nose and palate are different, and I'm = =3D sure I=3D20 appear as a moronic clod to others. So be it. I am what I am. I'm not a = =3D moronic=3D20 clod, of course, and can no more change the character of my nose and =3D palate, by=3D20 wishing to, than the colour blind person can change his sight. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I also play the Highland bagpipes, and have done for 46 years. =3D About 25=3D20 years ago, various companies started making plastic pipe chanters. Not a = =3D very=3D20 great deal cheaper than the traditional African Blackwood, or similar =3D wood, but=3D20 in some ways better for a band as it's dead easy to get a matching set =3D of a=3D20 dozen, where wood is very difficult indeed to get absolute matches in =3D tone. My=3D20 prediction was that the plastic wouldn't last, that plastic sounded odd. = =3D (I=3D20 could give the difference in harmonic structure as I hear it, but won't = =3D here).=3D20 However, even soloists took up the plastic in a very big way.</DIV> <DIV>Well, 25 years on, the plastic chanters have improved no end (no =3D demise,=3D20 though), and bands are using them often, but almost 100% of the =3D soloists, and=3D20 almost 100% of the top bands have now gone back to wood, even though the = =3D   plastics have become relatively cheaper and the wood relatively more =3D expensive=3D20 still. Why? Need anyone ask? </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Another illustration. About 15 years ago, as President of the local = =3D   Organists' Association,&nbsp;I was part of an inner city's music trust. = =3D The=3D20 church had lots of money for a grand piano, and I was the only one who =3D opposed a=3D20 Japanese grand piano. (All the others, by the way, except the Minister =3D who was=3D20 Chairman, ex officio from the parish, were professional musicians.) I =3D lost, of=3D20 course, and a 9ft grand from Japan was installed, to hoopla in the =3D parish and=3D20 the newspapers after the intial concert. The church, by the way, has =3D quite fair=3D20 acoustics and seats about 450 - a Renaissance-style concrete structure =3D with a=3D20 very high roof and large west gallery.</DIV> <DIV>Funny, though, that two years ago the church got rid of the =3D Japanese grand,=3D20 making a loss over the original purchase price&nbsp;and, at considerable = =3D   expense, bought a new 8ft German grand, i.e. a foot shorter than the =3D Japanese=3D20 piano. I'm ecstatic about the tone, and I guarantee the musical =3D community will=3D20 continue to be as well, not wishing the piano's "demise" in a few =3D years.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT size=3D3D3>Need I go on?</FONT> </FONT>As I = =3D said, nothing of=3D20 this is being critical of you or anyone else. All it does is = illustrate=3D20 different ears.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I can generally hear good rhythm, but I don't have the rock-steady = =3D rhythm=3D20 of Reg Dixon (of theatre organ fame) or untold squadzaptillions of =3D others. I=3D20 just haven't. I have congenital atrial fibrillation, which means I have = =3D all my=3D20 life had a most ludicrous lack of rhythm in my heart beat - regular for = =3D a few=3D20 seconds, then maybe three&nbsp;beats in one second, then maybe a dotted = =3D rhythm=3D20 for ten seconds, then nothing at all for three or four seconds, and so =3D on. I'm=3D20 symptom-free, except that with the pills I have to take to keep my heart = =3D slower=3D20 and slightly better in rhythm than it would otherwise be, I don't have =3D the=3D20 ability to undertake frenzied muscular activity, except for very short =3D bursts=3D20 indeed. Probably my lack of a natural sense of rhythm comes from this. =3D It's a=3D20 silly thing, but there it is, and I can be jealous of others with good =3D rhythm in=3D20 their hearts and in their fingers, but it would do no good. I am what I = =3D am, and=3D20 have to accept difference.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>So with ears.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>End of sermon,&nbsp;from this clergybod,</DIV> <DIV>Regards to everyone,&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0024_01C186D7.D78CBCE0--      
(back) Subject: wee organs From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:20:45 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_004C_01C186DC.1B5580C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear all, (My use of the word "wee" instead of "small" is just an echo of my being = =3D a NZer - that Scottish word is very common indeed in NZ).   I don't think anyone's defined a small organ. From my perspective, in a = =3D small country whose organs are rarely of any good size, I could not =3D define the Willis/Mander in St Paul's London as being small - heavens, =3D it has a full principal chorus to powerful mixture, a good reed on the =3D second manual, and a good pedal stop.=3D20   No one has commented on my point about a good piano being better than =3D many other instruments of comparable price tag. Nor about my comment =3D that York Minster used to use a big grand during WWII when the organ was = =3D out of commission. Anyone willing to comment?   Another wee organ I know, this time in a Roman Catholic Church, seating = =3D about 180, carpeted, low roof, organ on the floor. The organ is of CC =3D compass, no pedals, no accessories except the Swell Pedal. The 16ft, to = =3D CCC, is unenclosed, and is from MidF down, playing auto bass to any =3D chord. There are just two manual ranks - a Salicional to FF with CC-EE =3D of stopt wood, and an Open Diapason to FF borrowing the stopt basses. =3D There is just one knob - that shuts off the Open Diapason. The =3D Salicional is soft; it has no effect on the Open Diapason unless it's =3D out of tune, so obvviously the builders didn't want to waste money on a = =3D stop action.   Yes, the organ would be useless on its own. But in this parish, which =3D has an active and large congregation for its building, it blends =3D superbly with their well-established music group of acoustic guitars, =3D flutes and the like. Together, they accompany the congergation well. The = =3D Open and the 8ve cplr give a good sound indeed, and the Salicional, box = =3D open or shut, with or without 8ve cplr, is very friendly to the choir =3D when it sings its more sedate Palestrina, Victoria, plainsong etc.   This wee organ is tracker, with pneumatics to the Bourdon rank, and was = =3D built about 1918. It takes up a space about 18" deep, 7ft wide and 9ft =3D high. Maintenance since new some 83 years ago? - nil apart from tuning. = =3D Suitability for purposes required of it - remarkably effective. Would it = =3D be better for the parish to spend money and get an electronic instrument = =3D for accompanying choir or congregation? No. Blend with other =3D instruments? Warm and generous. So, it remains, and is loved.   Ross       ------=3D_NextPart_000_004C_01C186DC.1B5580C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>Dear all,</DIV> <DIV>(My use of the word "wee" instead of "small" is just an echo of my = =3D being a=3D20 NZer - that Scottish word is very common indeed in NZ).</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I don't think anyone's defined a small organ. From my perspective, = =3D in a=3D20 small country whose organs are rarely of any good size, I could not =3D define the=3D20 Willis/Mander in St Paul's London as being small - heavens, it has a =3D full=3D20 principal chorus to powerful mixture, a good reed on the second manual, = =3D and a=3D20 good pedal stop. </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>No one has commented on my point about a good piano being better =3D than many=3D20 other instruments of comparable price tag. Nor about my comment that =3D York=3D20 Minster used to use a big grand during WWII when the organ was out of=3D20 commission. Anyone willing to comment?</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Another wee organ I know, this time in a Roman Catholic Church, =3D seating=3D20 about 180, carpeted, low roof, organ on the floor. The organ is of CC =3D compass,=3D20 no pedals, no accessories except the Swell Pedal. The 16ft, to CCC, is=3D20 unenclosed, and is from MidF down, playing auto bass to any chord. There = =3D are=3D20 just two manual ranks - a Salicional to FF with CC-EE of stopt wood, and = =3D an Open=3D20 Diapason to FF borrowing the stopt basses. There is just one knob - that = =3D shuts=3D20 off the Open Diapason. The Salicional is&nbsp;soft; it has no effect on = =3D the Open=3D20 Diapason unless it's out of tune, so obvviously the builders didn't want = =3D to=3D20 waste money on a stop action.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT size=3D3D3>Yes, the organ</FONT> </FONT>would = be =3D useless on=3D20 its own. But in this parish, which has an active and large congregation = =3D for its=3D20 building, it blends superbly with their well-established music group of = =3D acoustic=3D20 guitars, flutes and the like. Together, they accompany the congergation = =3D well.=3D20 The Open and the 8ve cplr give a good sound indeed, and the Salicional, = =3D box open=3D20 or shut, with or without 8ve cplr, is very friendly to the choir when it = =3D sings=3D20 its more sedate Palestrina, Victoria, plainsong etc.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>This wee organ is tracker, with pneumatics to the Bourdon rank, and = =3D was=3D20 built about 1918. It takes up a space about 18" deep, 7ft wide and 9ft =3D high.=3D20 Maintenance since new some 83 years ago? - nil apart from tuning. =3D Suitability=3D20 for purposes required of it - remarkably effective. Would it be better =3D for the=3D20 parish to spend money and get an electronic instrument for accompanying = =3D choir or=3D20 congregation? No. Blend with other instruments? Warm and generous. So, =3D it=3D20 remains, and is loved.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Ross</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_004C_01C186DC.1B5580C0--