PipeChat Digest #2577 - Monday, December 17, 2001
 
wee organs and tone
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: tiny pipe organs
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: Coming to the rescue! 911
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: Coming to the rescue! 911
  by "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net>
RE: Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Coming to the rescue! 911
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Cornet IV
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
RE: Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: wee organs and tone
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Grace Cathedral, San Francisco
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Coming to the rescue! 911
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Review of Justin Bischof
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
 

(back) Subject: wee organs and tone From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:22:11 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002A_01C18751.A7637B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   If, in New Zealand, organists were to expect to get electronics if their = =3D churches couldn't afford over 30 ranks (someone suggested that on this =3D List), you would have to throw away some 80% of the organs in this =3D country. Not on. There are fabulous organs around, more than suitable for their purpose, = =3D far smaller than 30 ranks. In any situation, I'm not really interested =3D in the design, or the size, or the age, of the organ. What I want to =3D know is - is it suitable for its purpose in that place? In my last =3D postings I have described several almost-impossibly-small organs that do = =3D remarkably well in what they were intended to do. I am not suggesting =3D they are appropriate for recitals or for major organ music - they are =3D not intended for that, are not used for that, and are never likely to =3D have anyone near them with enough technique even to try.=3D20 I think of another church, a lowish-roofed dry building that seats 450. = =3D A Roman Catholic Church with strong congregational singing and no music = =3D group. They never ever have music recitals, or talented organists, and =3D have little money. About 20 years ago they got a new 3rk unit instrument = =3D of 20 stops spread over 2 decks & Pedals. Pressure is about 3.25", =3D scaling largish, metal of very high quality, voicing bright and clear =3D English with lots of harmonics in the tones. Open Diapason 8-2ft, =3D Salicional 8-2ft, Stopped Diapason (wood) 16-2ft. This little organ, =3D attached to the west wall (there is no gallery) is a stunning success, =3D easily supporting a full church singing its head off when the 2rk =3D Mixture (from the Salicional unit) is added to the Diapason at 8 4 & =3D 2ft. Tone, I find thrilling and would happily play Bach P&Fs on it.=3D20 On the other hand, there are, only too sadly, larger organs that are =3D pathetic, unable to drive anything. My experience at Grace Cathedral, =3D San Francisco, was not pleasant. The organ sounds great in an old vinyl = =3D recording of Ruchard Purvis that I have, and the playing is wondeful, =3D but when I went to a service, you could only just hear the organ down =3D the church unless some very big reeds and the 32fts were added. So, for = =3D accompanying congregational singing, the organ is a flop. That's no =3D disrespect to the builder, as he probably (indeed, most certainly) did =3D not design the cathedral or where the organ was to be placed. What am I saying? To repeat - I'm more interested in a small organ doing = =3D the job it is designed for, whatever its size or description, than I am = =3D in some theoretical idea that there "ought to be more stops, therefore =3D we have to go electronic".=3D20 Why is it a crime to think that tone really does matter?=3D20 When I used bagpipes in my illustrations, if you read my words, you =3D would hear that I was saying that tone can be well-produced or =3D badly-produced, and that ears (and other parts of the body) differ in =3D sensitivity from one person to another. What is outrageous about saying = =3D that? Or with saying that many folk find their (to some people) =3D theoretically-silly small organs are better for their purposes than =3D something large through loudspeakers? Or have I lost a point = somewhere?=3D20 Another small organ that fulfills its purpose exceedingly well: An =3D organist friend of mine, MA BA(Hons) MusB FRCO ChM ADCM LRAM (so you'll = =3D know he's not an amateur) went to a church in Holland a few years back. = =3D The church is Gothic, seats 600 to 700, and has a high roof and lots of = =3D reverberation. The organ is one manual & Pedal of this design =3D (translating) - 8 Principal 8 Flute 4 Octave 2 Fifteenth .. Mixture IV-VI 8 Trumpet   16 SubBass 16 Fagotto   My friend says the organ is shrill and harsh and the Pedal Fagotto is =3D rattly and growly, too loud. Well, the congregation is Dutch Reformed, =3D and the organ is used only for accompanying congregational singing, =3D nothing else. His opinion of the instrument changed dramatically by the = =3D end of the service, as he discovered that the organ's harshness was =3D toned down just the right amount with a full (i.e. absorbent) =3D congregation present, and that their boisterous singing in unison in =3D fact provided the perfect "tummy" to the loud Mixture and the two deep =3D and guttural pedal stops. Voices and organ worked together stunningly. =3D In this situation, too, a small pipe organ does far better than a 4-deck = =3D electronic of 100 "ranks" would, apart from taking up far less space and = =3D (in this case) having already lasted about 200 years. Yes, like everyone, I long for more stops on many instruments, in the =3D same way that I long for more shelfspace to put more books in my home, =3D but the fact is that I have too many books already and don't need any =3D more.=3D20 Am I making any sense? Inviting more laughter? :-) Regards to everyone, the NZ mouth, Ross [more :-)'s].   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002A_01C18751.A7637B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>If, in New Zealand, organists were to expect to get electronics if = =3D their=3D20 churches&nbsp;couldn't afford over 30 ranks (someone suggested that on =3D this=3D20 List), you would have to throw away some 80% of the organs in this =3D country. Not=3D20 on.</DIV> <DIV>There are fabulous organs around, more than suitable for their =3D purpose, far=3D20 smaller than 30 ranks. In any situation, I'm not really interested in =3D the=3D20 design, or the size, or the age, of the organ. What I want to know is - = =3D is it=3D20 suitable for its purpose in that place? In my last postings I have =3D described=3D20 several almost-impossibly-small organs that do remarkably well in what =3D they were=3D20 intended to do. I am not suggesting they are appropriate for recitals or = =3D for=3D20 major organ music - they are not intended for that, are not used for =3D that, and=3D20 are never likely to have anyone near them with enough technique even to = =3D try.=3D20 </DIV> <DIV>I think of another church, a lowish-roofed dry building that seats = =3D 450. A=3D20 Roman Catholic Church with strong congregational singing and no music =3D group.=3D20 They never ever have music recitals, or talented organists, and have =3D little=3D20 money. About 20 years ago they got a new 3rk unit instrument of 20 stops = =3D spread=3D20 over 2 decks &amp; Pedals. Pressure is about 3.25", scaling largish, =3D metal of=3D20 very high quality, voicing bright and clear English with lots of =3D harmonics in=3D20 the tones. Open Diapason 8-2ft, Salicional 8-2ft, Stopped Diapason =3D (wood)=3D20 16-2ft. This little organ, attached to the west wall (there is no =3D gallery) is a=3D20 stunning success, easily supporting a full church singing its head off =3D when the=3D20 2rk Mixture (from the Salicional unit) is added to the Diapason at 8 4 =3D &amp;=3D20 2ft. Tone, I find thrilling and would happily play Bach P&amp;Fs on it. = =3D </DIV> <DIV>On the other hand, there are, only too sadly, larger organs that =3D are=3D20 pathetic, unable to drive anything. My experience at Grace Cathedral, =3D San=3D20 Francisco, was not pleasant. The organ sounds great in an old vinyl =3D recording of=3D20 Ruchard Purvis that I have, and the playing is wondeful, but when I went = =3D to a=3D20 service, you could only just hear the organ down the church unless some = =3D very big=3D20 reeds and the 32fts were added. So, for accompanying congregational =3D singing, the=3D20 organ is a flop. That's no disrespect to the builder, as he probably =3D (indeed,=3D20 most certainly) did not design the cathedral or where the organ was to =3D be=3D20 placed.</DIV> <DIV>What am I saying? To repeat - I'm more interested in a small organ = =3D doing=3D20 the job it is designed for, whatever its size or description, than I am =3D in some=3D20 theoretical idea that there "ought to be more stops, therefore we have =3D to go=3D20 electronic". </DIV> <DIV>Why is it a crime to think that tone really does matter? </DIV> <DIV>When I used bagpipes in my illustrations, if you read my words, you = =3D would=3D20 hear that I was saying that tone can be well-produced or badly-produced, = =3D and=3D20 that ears (and other parts of the body) differ in sensitivity from one =3D person to=3D20 another. What is outrageous about saying that? Or with saying that many = =3D folk=3D20 find their (to some people) theoretically-silly small organs are better = =3D for=3D20 their purposes than something large through loudspeakers? Or have I lost = =3D a point=3D20 somewhere? </DIV> <DIV>Another small organ that&nbsp;fulfills its purpose exceedingly =3D well: An=3D20 organist friend of mine, MA BA(Hons) MusB FRCO ChM ADCM LRAM (so you'll = =3D know=3D20 he's not an amateur) went to a church in Holland a few years back. The =3D church is=3D20 Gothic, seats 600 to 700, and has a high roof and lots of reverberation. = =3D The=3D20 organ is one manual&nbsp; &amp; Pedal of this design (translating) =3D -</DIV> <DIV>8 Principal</DIV> <DIV>8 Flute</DIV> <DIV>4 Octave</DIV> <DIV>2 Fifteenth</DIV> <DIV>. Mixture IV-VI</DIV> <DIV>8 Trumpet</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>16 SubBass</DIV> <DIV>16 Fagotto</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>My friend says the organ is shrill and harsh and the Pedal Fagotto = =3D is=3D20 rattly and growly, too loud. Well, the congregation is Dutch Reformed, =3D and the=3D20 organ is used only for accompanying congregational singing, nothing =3D else. His=3D20 opinion of the instrument changed dramatically by the end of the =3D service, as he=3D20 discovered that the organ's harshness was toned down just the right =3D amount with=3D20 a full (i.e. absorbent) congregation present, and that their boisterous = =3D singing=3D20 in unison in fact provided the perfect "tummy" to the loud Mixture and =3D the two=3D20 deep and guttural pedal stops. Voices and organ worked together =3D stunningly. In=3D20 this situation, too, a small pipe organ does far better than a 4-deck =3D electronic=3D20 of 100 "ranks" would, apart from taking up far less space and (in this =3D case)=3D20 having already lasted about 200 years.</DIV> <DIV>Yes, like everyone, I long for more stops on many instruments, in =3D the same=3D20 way that I long for more shelfspace to put more books in&nbsp;my home, =3D but the=3D20 fact is that I have too many books already and don't need any more. =3D </DIV> <DIV>Am I making any sense? Inviting more laughter?&nbsp; :-)</DIV> <DIV>Regards to everyone,</DIV> <DIV>the NZ mouth, =3D Ross&nbsp;&nbsp;[more&nbsp;:-)'s].</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002A_01C18751.A7637B60--      
(back) Subject: Re: tiny pipe organs From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:21:26 EST   I think it's time I weighed in on this subject.   Two years ago I installed an unenclosed 7 rank organ in our 80 seat = Chapel. I have a letter in my files from a well known organ "consultant" who = stated that there was no practical way a pipe organ could be installed in our chapel.   The organ has a 16' Stopped Flute, 8 Open Flute, 8 Principal, 8 = Salicional, 8 Celeste, 4 Gemshorn, 8 Oboe. It is sparingly unified and duplexed (two trems, too!). It is at least 10 million times better than the 1982 30+ "rank" electrolux =   (major brand with custom speakers) that was installed because "there's no room for a pipe organ."   I will be joyfully playing a Christmas Day service, and have been thanking =   God for the musical offering I am privileged to play.   Is it limited? You bet! Is it beautiful, and COMPLETELY satisfactory for =   the use in the chapel? Yes. Steven Skinner First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: Re: Coming to the rescue! 911 From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:27:19 -0000   Sorry to ask, but ... "911" ? To me that is the name of a Porsche, are you referring to the speed of = your response ?   As for your reply; I too play both types and, although many in the = audiences 'can tell the difference', they would all prefer an organ (well-played) in good repair to one which has seen better days - or which is suffering = though lack of well-planned maintenance.   Harry   -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 16 December 2001 22:32 Subject: Coming to the rescue! 911     >Dear Bob Elmes > >You asked for someone to come to your aid. Well here I am! I stradle >both sides of the fence. Pipe nd digital. I believe both have their = place,    
(back) Subject: Re: Coming to the rescue! 911 From: "The Schneider Family" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:28:54 -0600   MusicMan wrote: > Sorry to ask, but ... "911" ? > To me that is the name of a Porsche, are you referring to the speed of = your > response ?   No. In the USA, 911 is the almost universal telephone number one dials in an emergency and is connected with a Central Dispatcher in one's are for either Fire, Police, Ambulance or what have you.   The reason for the adoption of this was to come up with a universal number that anyone, including youngsters could easily remember in the event of an emergency. There is nothing more vexing and much valuable rescue time lost (in the case of a fire or heart attack) fumbling through a phone book to find the "proper" emergency number to call for whatever the nature of the emergency is.   Also, in truth, very few people have their wits about them and tend to panic (as witnessed by the frequent emotional hysteria that these trained people at the Central Dispatch have to put up with on the other end of the line!) in an emergency situation, so if the telephone number is "second nature" (almost like going to the Bathroom!) to them, they're more likely to remember and use it.   I'm surprised they don't have anything like that where you are. Perhaps they do, but obviously it's not the same three digits "9-1-1"   Hopefully, this sheds some light. It also goes to prove just how "second nature" that these three digits have become in the lives of the people who are using them generically -as if everyone considers them to be second nature (and they should!!)   Faithfully Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME EMAIL mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL  
(back) Subject: RE: Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:11:08 -0500   Hi Robert,   Can you throw any light on why Johannus never replied?   Ian. ------------------------ Hi Ian and all, No, I can't. I even asked the fellow who sold me the instrument to check = on the mixtures and let me know how and where they break but he never got a reply or at least he never got back to me about even though he said he = would check on it. In fact, soon after receiving my Johannus I went to Amsterdam for a week and wrote them asking if I could visit the factory which they love to brag about on their web site but they never replied to that = either. I think they're just very lay-back and if they get to "it" they get to = "it." And while I'm on this subject, i.e., Cornet IV, I listened to it very closely over the weekend and it appears to me that the 2' pitch is the missing pitch. Adding the 2' Waldflote to the Cornet improves it much. It doesn't sound so, well, artificial, is the best I can come up with. It = kinda has a Hammond pure-tone or boy soprano pure-tone, lack of harmonics sound without that added 2'. And no other stops have such a sound. I must say, = in spite of some troubles I've been having with the operation of the organ, = the stops are quite authentic to their tone, harmonics and all. And I only = have use the internal speakers. I can imagine how good it would sound with excellent external speakers. Not knowing anything about electronics I wouldn't know which speakers to buy if I did want to buy them but I am in = a small NYC apartment and although dead, the sound is very loud even with "swell shades" closed (okay, I'm kidding myself, they're really volume control pedals--leave me my dreams, OKAY!!!!!). But I digress.   I wish Johannus were more responsive. Now that it's come up I think I will write again. Yeah, I will thanks for pursuing this. You've inspired me to = be more aggressive. Thanks, Robert        
(back) Subject: Re: Coming to the rescue! 911 From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:08:55 -0800   I think it is 999 to you and 000 to me, Musicman. 911 in the USA. Bob Elms (without the second "e")   MusicMan wrote: > > Sorry to ask, but ... "911" ? > To me that is the name of a Porsche, are you referring to the speed of = your >  
(back) Subject: Re: Cornet IV From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:25:51 -0800   Robert, I am surprised you had no response from JOhannus. The local RC Church has a Johannus which developed a fault. I emailed JOhannus about the fault and got an immediate reply with advice as to what to look for and a service manual as well.They could hardly have done more for me. Maybe it will be worth your while to try again. Bob Elms.   "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > Can you throw any light on why Johannus never replied? > >  
(back) Subject: RE: Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:35:26 -0500   I will. Can you give me the e-mail address you used? Maybe you have an e-mail address that's different than the one on their web site? I'll try. Thanks, Bob. Robert     Robert, I am surprised you had no response from JOhannus. The local RC Church has a Johannus which developed a fault. I emailed JOhannus about the fault and got an immediate reply with advice as to what to look for and a service manual as well.They could hardly have done more for me. Maybe it will be worth your while to try again. Bob Elms.    
(back) Subject: Re: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:40:56 EST   Tim Page has a review of the new hall in this morning's Washington post: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52580-2001Dec16.html   DudelK Washington DC  
(back) Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:45:12 -0500   Mahogany? Plush? The photos I've seen, it looks as thought it's held together with cellophane (notice I avoided the brand name Scotch) tape = with the organ facade kind of suspended on rope. Am I hallucinating? I can only wish. Those days are over. In the photos on the internet the structure = looks as if it were made of erector set pieces and tubing!!!! Robert Colasacco  
(back) Subject: Re: wee organs and tone From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:06:34 EST     --part1_65.1f9a2791.294f720a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/17/01 5:03:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:     > Yes, like everyone, I long for more stops on many instruments, in the = same > way that I long for more shelfspace to put more books in my home, but = the > fact is that I have too many books already and don't need any more.   Ross..... You could throw away all of your books and buy tapes!! ;-)     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_65.1f9a2791.294f720a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/17/01 5:03:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yes, like = everyone, I long for more stops on many instruments, in the same way that = I long for more shelfspace to put more books in my home, but the fact is = that I have too many books already and don't need any more. </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Ross..... &nbsp;You could throw away all of your books and buy tapes!! <BR>;-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_65.1f9a2791.294f720a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:11:40 -0800       Ross & Lynda Wards wrote:   > My experience at Grace Cathedral, San Francisco, was not pleasant. > The organ sounds great in an old vinyl recording of Ruchard Purvis > that I have, and the playing is wondeful, but when I went to a > service, you could only just hear the organ down the church unless > some very big reeds and the 32fts were added. So, for accompanying > congregational singing, the organ is a flop. That's no disrespect to > the builder, as he probably (indeed, most certainly) did not design > the cathedral or where the organ was to be placed.   They've attempted to remedy that by adding divisions in the east and west ends. I too found the sound of the Harrison Skinner curiously opaque in the nave, and not particularly easy to follow for hymn-singing.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Coming to the rescue! 911 From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:10:11 EST     --part1_189.a01610.294f72e3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/17/01 7:24:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, arpschneider@starband.net writes:     > so if the telephone number > is "second nature" (almost like going to the Bathroom!) to them, they're > more likely to remember and use it. >   Then shouldn't they use #2 instead of 911? It would be faster! = heeheehee   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_189.a01610.294f72e3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/17/01 7:24:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, arpschneider@starband.net = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">so if the = telephone number <BR>is "second nature" (almost like going to the Bathroom!) to them, = they're <BR>more likely to remember and use it. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Then shouldn't they use #2 &nbsp;instead of 911? &nbsp;&nbsp;It would = be faster! &nbsp;heeheehee &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_189.a01610.294f72e3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Review of Justin Bischof From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:12:48 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18715.ABAC3FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   If Jonathan will excuse this I can give you the address to the organ. Go = to AGO site then Local chapters web pages find NYC and click on to get to = that sight then click on nyc organs then go to episcopal churches and there you will see the Church of the Epiphany on York Ave @ E 74th street and that's the organ. And here it is http://www.nycago.org/html/NYCOrgans.html <http://www.nycago.org/html/NYCOrgans.html> -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:00 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Review of Justin Bischof     Jonathan, Thanks for the review of the recital. Sounds like it was a really wonderful program and a very unique experience. I guess I missed the original announcement, but can you give some bio information on Mr = Bischof. Thanky. (and what was the organ)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18715.ABAC3FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780130716-17122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>If Jonathan will excuse this I can give you the address to the organ. Go to = AGO site then Local chapters web pages find NYC and click on to get to that = sight then click on nyc organs then go to episcopal churches and there you will = see the Church of the Epiphany on York Ave @ E 74th street and that's the = organ. And here it is</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780130716-17122001><FONT face=3DGaramond color=3D#800000></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780130716-17122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000><A href=3D"http://www.nycago.org/html/NYCOrgans.html">http://www.nycago.org/ht= ml/NYCOrgans.html</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780130716-17122001><FONT face=3DGaramond color=3D#800000></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 17, 2001 2:00 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Review of = Justin Bischof<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = size=3D2>Jonathan, <BR>Thanks for the review of the recital. &nbsp;&nbsp;Sounds like it was a =   really wonderful program and a very unique experience. &nbsp;&nbsp;I guess = I missed the original announcement, but can you give some bio information on = Mr Bischof. &nbsp;&nbsp;Thanky. &nbsp;(and what was the organ) <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with = the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please = visit Howling Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18715.ABAC3FE0--