PipeChat Digest #2578 - Monday, December 17, 2001
 
Re: Cornet IV
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Lessons & Carols at St. Andrew's (X-Posted)
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco
  by <Oboe32@aol.com>
Re: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Cornet IV
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Cornet IV From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:12:53 EST     --part1_128.9758f11.294f7385_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/17/01 9:11:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > Can you throw any light on why Johannus never replied? >   THey don't know what a mixture is? ;-)   .... or you asked about "breaks" and they sent the letter to the repair department? heeheehee   runningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunni= ng   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_128.9758f11.294f7385_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/17/01 9:11:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Can you throw any = light on why Johannus never replied? <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>THey don't know what a mixture is? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>... or you asked about "breaks" and they sent the letter to the repair = department? heeheehee <BR> <BR>runningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningr= unning <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_128.9758f11.294f7385_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:14:56 -0500   that's because organs in such large edifices MUST be placed at the back of the nave over the entrance. That's where they belong. Even those organs placed in the Chancery that are audible are not as audible as they could = be.   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:12 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco         Ross & Lynda Wards wrote:   > My experience at Grace Cathedral, San Francisco, was not pleasant. > The organ sounds great in an old vinyl recording of Ruchard Purvis > that I have, and the playing is wondeful, but when I went to a > service, you could only just hear the organ down the church unless > some very big reeds and the 32fts were added. So, for accompanying > congregational singing, the organ is a flop. That's no disrespect to > the builder, as he probably (indeed, most certainly) did not design > the cathedral or where the organ was to be placed.   They've attempted to remedy that by adding divisions in the east and west ends. I too found the sound of the Harrison Skinner curiously opaque in the nave, and not particularly easy to follow for hymn-singing.   Cheers,   Bud     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:24:15 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18717.44BF2660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   My landlord's beagles used to howl when I played the pie-ana when I was a kid (and no not a billy goat, okay?). We lived in a ground floor apartment in the Bronx and the dogs were kept in the back yard of the building. = After dinner I practiced the pie-ana and the dogs would howl. As an expert on beagles, I presume you are an expert, were they bitching or pleasantly singing along because they liked it? robert colasacco -----Original Message----- From: Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:13 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Cornet IV     In a message dated 12/17/01 9:11:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:         Can you throw any light on why Johannus never replied?         THey don't know what a mixture is? ;-)   .... or you asked about "breaks" and they sent the letter to the repair department? heeheehee   runningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunni= n g   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18717.44BF2660 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D578272116-17122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>My landlord's beagles used to howl when I played the pie-ana when I was a kid = (and no not a billy goat, okay?). We lived in a ground floor apartment in the = Bronx and the dogs were kept in the back yard of the building. After dinner I practiced the pie-ana and the dogs would howl.&nbsp; As an expert on = beagles, I presume you are an expert, were they bitching or pleasantly singing along because they liked it?</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D578272116-17122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>robert colasacco</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Cremona502@cs.com [mailto:Cremona502@cs.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 17, 2001 11:13 =   AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Cornet IV<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a = message dated 12/17/01 9:11:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org =   writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE=3D"CITE">Can you throw any light on why Johannus never replied? <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial = color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>THey don't know what a mixture is? &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR><BR>... or you asked about "breaks" and they = sent the letter to the repair department? heeheehee <BR><BR>runningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunningrunn= ingrunning <BR><BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com = &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please = visit Howling Acres at &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18717.44BF2660--  
(back) Subject: Lessons & Carols at St. Andrew's (X-Posted) From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:33:37 -0600   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --Boundary_(ID_YNmni6HbEUFm8UQWzKvVtQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   We had our 8th Nine Lessons & Carols service at St. Andrew=3DB9s = (Woodhaven) last evening and it was so wonderful that I felt I should share the experience with the list.   My choir (9-4-5-5) have been working very hard this fall and have achieved an overall sound which is startlingly good considering the quality of individual voices, formal training, sightreading ability, etc. And at the service yesterday they were faultless... consistently watching, hanging on my every nuance, responding instantly and together to every subtle direction. Awesome! Not that they don=3DB9t do that every week (right!).   This service has become a tradition for St. Andrew=3DB9s. We fill the = church, not only with our own parishioners but also with visiting dignitaries including our Bishop, the current and two former Lieutenant-Governors of our Province (representatives of the Queen for our non-Canadian friends), one of Manitoba=3DB9s Senators, a Brigadier General and several Colonels attached to the Winnipeg Rifles regiment, etc. So it can be a bit tense.   The choir and I are joined by the Winnipeg Rifles Brass Quintet. The = quinte=3D t and I do a number of brass & organ arrangements, mainly those made famous = b=3D y the Canadian Brass. The choir and I do a variety of carols, old and new in the standard nine lessons format. Our finale is the Hallelujah Chorus, = with choir, organ and brass, joined by as many of the congregation who wish to jam into the chancel. With eight years under our belts, many of the congregation now bring their own music but we also have spare copies to = han=3D d out. The choir was working so well and were augmented by so many = congregant=3D s that I believe this was the first year that the chorus far outweighed the volume of the brass! A really fun time!   I hope your Christmas services go as well. And that your e-mail box overflows, as mine has, with congratulatory messages.   Merry Christmas to all and God bless, Russ Greene St. Andrew=3DB9s Anglican Church (Woodhaven) Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada   --Boundary_(ID_YNmni6HbEUFm8UQWzKvVtQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Lessons &amp; Carols at St. Andrew's (X-Posted)</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Helvetica">We had our 8th Nine Lessons &amp; Carols service = at St. Andrew&#8217;s (Woodhaven) last evening and it was so wonderful = that I felt I should share the experience with the list.<BR> <BR> My choir (9-4-5-5) have been working very hard this fall and have achieved = an overall sound which is startlingly good considering the quality of = individual voices, formal training, sightreading ability, etc. And at the = service yesterday they were faultless... consistently watching, hanging on = my every nuance, responding instantly and together to every subtle = direction. Awesome! Not that they don&#8217;t do that every week = (right!).<BR> <BR> This service has become a tradition for St. Andrew&#8217;s. We fill the = church, not only with our own parishioners but also with visiting = dignitaries including our Bishop, the &nbsp;current and two former = Lieutenant-Governors of our Province (representatives of the Queen for our = non-Canadian friends), one of Manitoba&#8217;s Senators, a Brigadier = General and several Colonels attached to the Winnipeg Rifles regiment, = etc. So it can be a bit tense.<BR> <BR> The choir and I are joined by the Winnipeg Rifles Brass Quintet. The = quintet and I do a number of brass &amp; organ arrangements, mainly those = made famous by the Canadian Brass. The choir and I do a variety of carols, = old and new in the standard nine lessons format. Our finale is the = Hallelujah Chorus, with choir, organ and brass, joined by as many of the = congregation who wish to jam into the chancel. With eight years under our belts, many of the congregation now bring their own music but we also have = spare copies to hand out. The choir was working so well and were augmented = by so many congregants that I believe this was the first year that the = chorus far outweighed the volume of the brass! A really fun time!<BR> <BR> I hope your Christmas services go as well. And that your e-mail box = overflows, as mine has, with congratulatory messages.<BR> <BR> Merry Christmas to all and God bless,<BR> Russ Greene<BR> St. Andrew&#8217;s Anglican Church (Woodhaven)<BR> Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --Boundary_(ID_YNmni6HbEUFm8UQWzKvVtQ)--  
(back) Subject: Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:46:21 -0800       "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > that's because organs in such large edifices MUST be placed at the back = of > the nave over the entrance. That's where they belong. Even those organs > placed in the Chancery that are audible are not as audible as they could = be. >   A comment about all that: until fairly recently, hymn-singing (and indeed congregational singing in general) formed little or no part of the music = in some of the larger ANGLICAN cathedrals, both American and British.   Additionally, the organs of both the Washington and New York cathedrals (I = don't know about San Francisco) were built when only the Great Quires were open = for worship, BEFORE the naves was built. They were REBUILT and enlarged when = the naves were opened, but rather haphazardly. The original organs in both Washington and New York did what they were BUILT for ADMIRABLY: accompany = the choral services sung by the cathedral choir alone.   I remember in Wyton's day at St. John the Divine, the ONE congregational = hymn was sung WITHOUT organ, with the choir in procession and organ interludes BETWEEN verses.   Continental RC cathedral and large parish church organs are seldom used to accompany ANYTHING (or weren't, until Vatican !!) ...   I remember hearing Mass in a large parish church somewhere in the = countryside in France (I don't recall where now) in which the congregation clustered = around the altar ... their singing was accompanied by a large harmonium in the = chancel, with occasional outbursts from what looked and sounded like a fine 18th = century Grand Orgue in the back ... unfortunately, I didn't have time to do any exploring, so I can't offer more details.   Many older RC parish churches in this country have had problems with congregational singing BECAUSE their small west-end organs were built to accompany choirs only. My first RC job in college was in a reverberant = church that seated in excess of 1500 people, with a 4-rank Wicks unit organ in = the west gallery. Only the German-American parishes seem to have built fine large = organs, for the most part. St. Patrick's, the Basilica in St. Louis, the National Shrine, etc. DO have fine large organs, but accompanying/leading = congregational singing is still difficult in those great echoing naves.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:42:51 -0600   I suspect the instrument is described at the Dobson website.   -----Original Message----- From: Oboe32@aol.com [mailto:Oboe32@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 9:46 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia     The new Kimmel Center will soon be home to a large Dobson instrument. I don't know the details of size, style, etc. I do know that there are 4 = 32's intended for the instrument, and it is costing a pretty penny and should = be the Magnum Opus of Dobson thus far. Philadelphia's organ scene will REALLY bo on the map with this one, let alone Wanamaker's, First Pres., Chesnut Hill Pres., and St. Mark's!   -pete Isherwood    
(back) Subject: Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco From: <Oboe32@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:24:57 EST     --part1_48.38f36c8.294f9279_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Its English! The Grace organ is fabulous! Its like that hidden beast! It entices people closer to it, and as you get closer, the organ develops and =   becomes bigger. The Grace organ provides a fabulous affect in that room! Harrison knew what he was doing! Now granted, for congregational singing = in a room like that, there should be a large-scaled antiphonal with an enclosed =   and unenclosed plenum, and a fundamental horn. Maybe, when I get rich from =   church work, I'll donate such a division! HA!   -pete isherwood   --part1_48.38f36c8.294f9279_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Its English! The Grace = organ is fabulous! Its like that hidden beast! It entices people closer to = it, and as you get closer, the organ develops and becomes bigger. The = Grace organ provides a fabulous affect in that room! Harrison knew what he = was doing! Now granted, for congregational singing in a room like that, = there should be a large-scaled antiphonal with an enclosed and unenclosed = plenum, and a fundamental horn. Maybe, when I get rich from church work, = I'll donate such a division! HA! <BR> <BR>-pete isherwood</FONT></HTML>   --part1_48.38f36c8.294f9279_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:39:20 -0500         >I really must weigh in on the Kimmel Center organ. (Ill be attending a >concert there Rosales. It is indeed to be a large inistrument of tracker =   >design but I believe that a EP console is also being built. = Interestingly >Mke Stairs the organist for the Orch was never consulted about the organ >and is in fact as far as I know not in favor of the present design. Pete =   >Philly is ALREAD"Y well on the map for organs and in fact there are at >least five grand organs within walking distance of the new center. Im = all >in favor of a fine organ in a public space, but to build a 3.3 million >dollar isntrument of tracker design for this room, where it will get = little >use is a terrible waste of public and private funds. Oh I know many say = it >will draw a crowd for recitals. Can they really fill that room???? >DOubtful. Remember that to use it they will have to pay union members to =   >light and open the area, aprox 10k just to have a recital. Again not a >well thought out plan. They could have built a much finer instruemt for >much less. But there own organist had no input. And when was the last >time anyone heard the organ in Academy Hall???   Just my ranting for the day   Dr K.   _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:52:31 -0500   And probably justified. Here, here. Robert Colasacco   ---   Just my ranting for the day   Dr K.      
(back) Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:57:09 -0500       Thanks Bob! I feel so much better now!!!     >And probably justified. Here, here. >Robert Colasacco > >--- > >Just my ranting for the day > >Dr K. > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >         _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.    
(back) Subject: Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 08:18:46 +1300   Absolutely, the organ must be in the west end. Gothic cathedrals were = never designed for nave congregations in the old days, so the Brits have always found organ placement extremely difficult now that the quire screens have been taken down. Oh, by the way, an organ in the "Chancery"? Isn't a "chancery" some kind = of court in the Roman Catholic Church? Or a clergy house? Or a Treasurer's office? They must have money to burn! ::--)) In NZ, our emergency number is 111. In Britain they use 999, but someone goofed in NZ telephones many, many years ago, and our dials are different, the numbers going in the other direction, so we have 111 instead. Oh well, no one gets everything right. And now, with pushbutton phones, we still use 111. Ross -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:21 AM Subject: RE: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco     >that's because organs in such large edifices MUST be placed at the back = of >the nave over the entrance. That's where they belong. Even those organs >placed in the Chancery that are audible are not as audible as they could be. > >-----Original Message----- >From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:12 AM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco > > > > >Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: > >> My experience at Grace Cathedral, San Francisco, was not pleasant. >> The organ sounds great in an old vinyl recording of Ruchard Purvis >> that I have, and the playing is wondeful, but when I went to a >> service, you could only just hear the organ down the church unless >> some very big reeds and the 32fts were added. So, for accompanying >> congregational singing, the organ is a flop. That's no disrespect to >> the builder, as he probably (indeed, most certainly) did not design >> the cathedral or where the organ was to be placed. > >They've attempted to remedy that by adding divisions in the east and >west ends. I too found the sound of the Harrison Skinner curiously >opaque in the nave, and not particularly easy to follow for >hymn-singing. > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Cornet IV From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:27:31 EST     --part1_136.5f2ac21.294fa123_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/17/01 11:24:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > As an expert on beagles, I presume you are an expert, were they bitching = or > pleasantly singing along because they liked it?   It's interesting what things will set off "the howl." Just a few that = work here: a) theme from Bold & the Beautiful (the first little stardust percussion = and they're off) b) the ice cream truck (digital music box plays "Arkansas Traveler," "Clementine", etc. c) anything on the piano d) playing on a soprano recorder e) blowing an organ pipe; pitch does not seem to matter since they go = equally nutz over 8' C or middle C or even one of the little trebles f) the "love aria" from Madame Butterfly g) a particularly lovely sunset h) a precipitated arrroooooooo on my part i) a particularly nice "scent"   I think it's pretty much the same as anything else: if they WANT to, they = DO!   Interestingly, when I tune the piano it doesn't set them off, but if I = check the tuning by playing "something tuneful" it begins!! ;-)   Curious little critters.   Strangely, organ music does not phase them. Regardless of volume of recorded organ music, they just sleep through it. This group has never heard a pipe organ played live, so I'm not sure about them, but Meghann (RIP-97) used to sleep in the "shortie" pew next to the console when I practiced with no apparent disturbance.     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_136.5f2ac21.294fa123_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/17/01 11:24:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">As an expert on beagles, I presume you are an expert, were they = bitching or pleasantly singing along because they liked it?</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>It's interesting what things will set off "the howl." &nbsp;&nbsp;Just = a few that work here: <BR>a) theme from Bold &amp; the Beautiful &nbsp;(the first little = stardust percussion and they're off) <BR>b) the ice cream truck (digital music box plays "Arkansas Traveler," = "Clementine", etc. <BR>c) anything on the piano <BR>d) playing on a soprano recorder <BR>e) blowing an organ pipe; pitch does not seem to matter since they go = equally nutz over 8' C or middle C or even one of the little trebles <BR>f) the "love aria" from Madame Butterfly <BR>g) a particularly lovely sunset <BR>h) a precipitated arrroooooooo on my part <BR>i) a particularly nice "scent" <BR> <BR>I think it's pretty much the same as anything else: &nbsp;if they WANT = to, they DO! <BR> <BR>Interestingly, when I tune the piano it doesn't set them off, but if I = check the tuning by playing "something tuneful" it begins!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Curious little critters. <BR> <BR>Strangely, organ music does not phase them. &nbsp;&nbsp;Regardless of = volume of recorded organ music, they just sleep through it. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This group has never heard a pipe organ played live, so = I'm not sure about them, but Meghann (RIP-97) used to sleep in the = "shortie" pew next to the console when I practiced with no apparent = disturbance. <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_136.5f2ac21.294fa123_boundary--