PipeChat Digest #2579 - Monday, December 17, 2001
 
Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Duke University Chapel
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
Re: Cornet IV
  by "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au>
RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia
  by "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:40:40 EST     --part1_11a.8f28722.294fa438_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/17/01 1:25:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Oboe32@aol.com writes:     > Now granted, for congregational singing in a room like that, there = should be > a large-scaled antiphonal with an enclosed and unenclosed plenum, and a > fundamental horn.   Being one of those people who does not like the organ in the West gallery under ANY circumstances, I think the optimal place for an organ for hymn singing, especially in a long room, is in the center of the nave so that = it is in the midst of the gathered throng.   When I visited Duke Chapel (North Carolina USA) I had the opportunity to experience hymnsinging with both organs. Much as I love the Flentrop, my =   preference is to sing with the AEolian which is in the chancel. The = organ always sounds muffled to me when it's behind me.   Further, I've never been in a room with an antiphonal division that didn't =   have an annoying stutter with the main organ unless I happened to sit dead =   center in the room. I think (and this is just me, of course) that the = organ should be ONE instrument in ONE location, be it a chamber or a case. Divided chancel chambers are attractive, but unless the organ is designed = as TWO instruments (Gr, Pos, Ped and Sw, Ch, Ped), I don't think this arrangement is successful and even then it takes really careful planning = and execution.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_11a.8f28722.294fa438_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/17/01 1:25:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Oboe32@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Now granted, for = congregational singing in a room like that, there should be a large-scaled = antiphonal with an enclosed and unenclosed plenum, and a fundamental horn. = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Being one of those people who does not like the organ in the West = gallery under ANY circumstances, I think the optimal place for an organ = for hymn singing, especially in a long room, is in the center of the nave = so that it is in the midst of the gathered throng. <BR> <BR>When I visited Duke Chapel (North Carolina USA) I had the opportunity = to experience hymnsinging with both organs. &nbsp;&nbsp;Much as I love the = Flentrop, my preference is to sing with the AEolian which is in the = chancel. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The organ always sounds muffled to me when it's = behind me. <BR> <BR>Further, I've never been in a room with an antiphonal division that = didn't have an annoying stutter with the main organ unless I happened to = sit dead center in the room. &nbsp;&nbsp;I think (and this is just me, of = course) that the organ should be ONE instrument in ONE location, be it a = chamber or a case. &nbsp;&nbsp;Divided chancel chambers are attractive, = but unless the organ is designed as TWO instruments (Gr, Pos, Ped and Sw, = Ch, Ped), I don't think this arrangement is successful and even then it = takes really careful planning and execution. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_11a.8f28722.294fa438_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:49:00 EST     --part1_4f.15985e22.294fa62c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/17/01 1:25:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Oboe32@aol.com writes:     > Now granted, for congregational singing in a room like that, there = should be > a large-scaled antiphonal with an enclosed and unenclosed plenum, and a > fundamental horn.   Being one of those people who does not like the organ in the West gallery under ANY circumstances, I think the optimal place for an organ for hymn singing, especially in a long room, is in the center of the nave so that = it is in the midst of the gathered throng.   When I visited Duke Chapel (North Carolina USA) I had the opportunity to experience hymnsinging with both organs. Much as I love the Flentrop, my =   preference is to sing with the AEolian which is in the chancel. The = organ always sounds muffled to me when it's behind me.   Further, I've never been in a room with an antiphonal division that didn't =   have an annoying stutter with the main organ unless I happened to sit dead =   center in the room. I think (and this is just me, of course) that the = organ should be ONE instrument in ONE location, be it a chamber or a case. Divided chancel chambers are attractive, but unless the organ is designed = as TWO instruments (Gr, Pos, Ped and Sw, Ch, Ped), I don't think this arrangement is successful and even then it takes really careful planning = and execution.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --part1_4f.15985e22.294fa62c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/17/01 1:25:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Oboe32@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Now granted, for = congregational singing in a room like that, there should be a large-scaled = antiphonal with an enclosed and unenclosed plenum, and a fundamental horn. = </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Being one of those people who does not like the organ in the West = gallery under ANY circumstances, I think the optimal place for an organ = for hymn singing, especially in a long room, is in the center of the nave = so that it is in the midst of the gathered throng. <BR> <BR>When I visited Duke Chapel (North Carolina USA) I had the opportunity = to experience hymnsinging with both organs. &nbsp;&nbsp;Much as I love the = Flentrop, my preference is to sing with the AEolian which is in the = chancel. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The organ always sounds muffled to me when it's = behind me. <BR> <BR>Further, I've never been in a room with an antiphonal division that = didn't have an annoying stutter with the main organ unless I happened to = sit dead center in the room. &nbsp;&nbsp;I think (and this is just me, of = course) that the organ should be ONE instrument in ONE location, be it a = chamber or a case. &nbsp;&nbsp;Divided chancel chambers are attractive, = but unless the organ is designed as TWO instruments (Gr, Pos, Ped and Sw, = Ch, Ped), I don't think this arrangement is successful and even then it = takes really careful planning and execution. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;and wander through the Mall Without Walls</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4f.15985e22.294fa62c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Duke University Chapel From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 11:57:15 -0800     --------------892FF248861457FD47354E39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Well, for one thing, the Aeolian is a REAL organ (grinning, ducking).   Bud   Cremona502@cs.com wrote:   > In a message dated 12/17/01 1:25:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Oboe32@aol.com writes: > > > >> Now granted, for congregational singing in a room like that, there >> should be a large-scaled antiphonal with an enclosed and unenclosed >> plenum, and a fundamental horn. > > Being one of those people who does not like the organ in the West > gallery under ANY circumstances, I think the optimal place for an > organ for hymn singing, especially in a long room, is in the center of > the nave so that it is in the midst of the gathered throng. > > When I visited Duke Chapel (North Carolina USA) I had the opportunity > to experience hymnsinging with both organs. Much as I love the > Flentrop, my preference is to sing with the AEolian which is in the > chancel. The organ always sounds muffled to me when it's behind me. > > Further, I've never been in a room with an antiphonal division that > didn't have an annoying stutter with the main organ unless I happened > to sit dead center in the room. I think (and this is just me, of > course) that the organ should be ONE instrument in ONE location, be it > a chamber or a case. Divided chancel chambers are attractive, but > unless the organ is designed as TWO instruments (Gr, Pos, Ped and Sw, > Ch, Ped), I don't think this arrangement is successful and even then > it takes really careful planning and execution. > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" > Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi > Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ > and wander through the Mall Without Walls   --------------892FF248861457FD47354E39 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Well, for one thing, the Aeolian is a REAL organ (grinning, ducking). <p>Bud <p>Cremona502@cs.com wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><font face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>In = a message dated 12/17/01 1:25:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Oboe32@aol.com = writes:</font></font> <br>&nbsp; <br>&nbsp; <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font = face=3D"arial,helvetica"><font size=3D-1>Now granted, for congregational singing in a room like that, there should be a large-scaled antiphonal with an enclosed and unenclosed plenum, and a fundamental horn.</font></font></blockquote>   <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Being one = of those people who does not like the organ in the West gallery under ANY circumstances, I think the optimal place for an organ for hymn singing, especially in a long room, is in the center of the nave so that it is in the midst of the gathered throng.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>When I = visited Duke Chapel (North Carolina USA) I had the opportunity to experience = hymnsinging with both organs.&nbsp;&nbsp; Much as I love the Flentrop, my preference is to sing with the AEolian which is in the chancel.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The organ always sounds muffled to me when it's behind = me.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Further, = I've never been in a room with an antiphonal division that didn't have an = annoying stutter with the main organ unless I happened to sit dead center in the room.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think (and this is just me, of course) that the organ should be ONE instrument in ONE location, be it a chamber or a = case.&nbsp;&nbsp; Divided chancel chambers are attractive, but unless the organ is designed as TWO instruments (Gr, Pos, Ped and Sw, Ch, Ped), I don't think this = arrangement is successful and even then it takes really careful planning and execution.</font></font></font> <p><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Bruce = Cornely&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ~&nbsp; Cremona502@cs.com</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>with the = Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!"</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font = size=3D-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Duncan, Miles, Molly, and Dewi</font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>Please = visit Howling Acres at&nbsp;&nbsp; <A = HREF=3D"http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/">http://members.tripod.com/Bru= con502/</A></font></font></font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#000000"><font size=3D-1>&nbsp; = and wander through the Mall Without Walls</font></font></font></blockquote> </html>   --------------892FF248861457FD47354E39--    
(back) Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:56:04 -0500   Just look at what's happened as Alice Tully Hall with that wonderful organ that sits there a rots. Ah, I just want to take it home and have my way = with it. Everyone was so anxious to have it here in the Big (Deal) Apple right = in the midst of AGO Headquartersville and it would be used regularly and the AGO annual awards would be played there, bla, bla, poopoo, baloney and bullcrap, quite frankly. And nada, niente, zippo, nicht, = nitcheevo...doodoo. They had two competitions there and the AGO got ticked off about something and abandoned ATHall and well, the organ rots to this day. I attended a = Bach cantata concert there last August (2000) and hoped to hear it used, but = no, they unveiled it for the performance for the icing on the cake to be seen and admired by all but the German Cantorum group brought their own = portative from Deutschland and used that instead. Awwww crap, thought I. Anyway, so will go Philadelphia. Robert Colasacco PS I also call ATH every now and then to ask if they will be having an = organ series and, well, no, they tell me they don't have them. Please, I've just caused my already extremely high blood pressure to jump about another 1000 points. Tscheuss mon ami.   -----Original Message----- From: BridgewaterUMC Director of Music [mailto:bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:57 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia         Thanks Bob! I feel so much better now!!!     >And probably justified. Here, here. >Robert Colasacco > >--- > >Just my ranting for the day > >Dr K. > > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >         _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at = http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 14:57:17 -0500   Yes, sorry, I meant chancel organ. Or...what did I mean. What the hell is that area called! HEEEEELP!!! Robert   -----Original Message----- From: Ross & Lynda Wards [mailto:TheShieling@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:19 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco     Absolutely, the organ must be in the west end. Gothic cathedrals were = never designed for nave congregations in the old days, so the Brits have always found organ placement extremely difficult now that the quire screens have been taken down. Oh, by the way, an organ in the "Chancery"? Isn't a "chancery" some kind = of court in the Roman Catholic Church? Or a clergy house? Or a Treasurer's office? They must have money to burn! ::--)) In NZ, our emergency number is 111. In Britain they use 999, but someone goofed in NZ telephones many, many years ago, and our dials are different, the numbers going in the other direction, so we have 111 instead. Oh well, no one gets everything right. And now, with pushbutton phones, we still use 111. Ross -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:21 AM Subject: RE: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco     >that's because organs in such large edifices MUST be placed at the back = of >the nave over the entrance. That's where they belong. Even those organs >placed in the Chancery that are audible are not as audible as they could be. > >-----Original Message----- >From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] >Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:12 AM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Grace Cathedral, San Francisco > > > > >Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: > >> My experience at Grace Cathedral, San Francisco, was not pleasant. >> The organ sounds great in an old vinyl recording of Ruchard Purvis >> that I have, and the playing is wondeful, but when I went to a >> service, you could only just hear the organ down the church unless >> some very big reeds and the 32fts were added. So, for accompanying >> congregational singing, the organ is a flop. That's no disrespect to >> the builder, as he probably (indeed, most certainly) did not design >> the cathedral or where the organ was to be placed. > >They've attempted to remedy that by adding divisions in the east and >west ends. I too found the sound of the Harrison Skinner curiously >opaque in the nave, and not particularly easy to follow for >hymn-singing. > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:00:40 -0500   Robert:   The answer is real simple, go out and find the funding necessary to put an organ program in. It does not happen for free, nor does either Juilliard = or Lincoln Center pay for it. They are just landlords and Tully is up for = rent.   Charles E. Brown   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of COLASACCO, ROBERT Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:56 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia     Just look at what's happened as Alice Tully Hall with that wonderful organ that sits there a rots. Ah, I just want to take it home and have my way = with it. Everyone was so anxious to have it here in the Big (Deal) Apple right = in the midst of AGO Headquartersville and it would be used regularly and the AGO annual awards would be played there, bla, bla, poopoo, baloney and bullcrap, quite frankly. And nada, niente, zippo, nicht, = nitcheevo...doodoo. They had two competitions there and the AGO got ticked off about something and abandoned ATHall and well, the organ rots to this day. I attended a = Bach cantata concert there last August (2000) and hoped to hear it used, but = no, they unveiled it for the performance for the icing on the cake to be seen and admired by all but the German Cantorum group brought their own = portative from Deutschland and used that instead. Awwww crap, thought I. Anyway, so will go Philadelphia. Robert Colasacco PS I also call ATH every now and then to ask if they will be having an = organ series and, well, no, they tell me they don't have them. Please, I've just caused my already extremely high blood pressure to jump about another 1000 points. Tscheuss mon ami.      
(back) Subject: Re: Cornet IV From: "pat and ian" <patian@senet.com.au> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 06:39:21 +1030         Ian wrote: > Can you throw any light on why Johannus never replied?   > Ian.     Robert wrote: > I wish Johannus were more responsive. Now that it's come up I think I = will > write again. Yeah, I will thanks for pursuing this. You've inspired me = to be > more aggressive. > Thanks, > Robert >   Ian wrote:   Good on Yer, Robert!   Let us all know the result.   Ian, "Down Under".    
(back) Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:15:50 -0500   Well, sorry, but all I can afford to do, financially that is, is = criticize. The money will have to come from somewhere else. I'll pay the ticket price though. I can "forgive" NOT Lincoln Center as a money making for-profit organization, I guess. But somehow Juilliard, which if you are correct = that it has some connection to ATH, and I wasn't aware it has, but if it has as an institution of education and educational institution that "trains" organists, it or it's department of organ studies might consider getting some funding for such program. Even a few organ recitals per/annum, I'm = sure can get underway. Fact is no one, at least not anyone with money, so it appears to me, is willing to fund organs and organists. I mean really = where are they? Is anyone on this list rich? If so can you support such organs = and organists. There are some wonderful folks out there like Dr.? Bischof = among others, and Mr. Hell, as it were, who deserve if not more than exactly = what the Isaac Sterns and Yitzak Perlmans get. Why are organists so low on the scale? What the hell is that all about. Blood pressure. Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: Charles E. Brown [mailto:chabrown@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:01 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia     Robert:   The answer is real simple, go out and find the funding necessary to put an organ program in. It does not happen for free, nor does either Juilliard = or Lincoln Center pay for it. They are just landlords and Tully is up for = rent.   Charles E. Brown   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of COLASACCO, ROBERT Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:56 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia     Just look at what's happened as Alice Tully Hall with that wonderful organ that sits there a rots. Ah, I just want to take it home and have my way = with it. Everyone was so anxious to have it here in the Big (Deal) Apple right = in the midst of AGO Headquartersville and it would be used regularly and the AGO annual awards would be played there, bla, bla, poopoo, baloney and bullcrap, quite frankly. And nada, niente, zippo, nicht, = nitcheevo...doodoo. They had two competitions there and the AGO got ticked off about something and abandoned ATHall and well, the organ rots to this day. I attended a = Bach cantata concert there last August (2000) and hoped to hear it used, but = no, they unveiled it for the performance for the icing on the cake to be seen and admired by all but the German Cantorum group brought their own = portative from Deutschland and used that instead. Awwww crap, thought I. Anyway, so will go Philadelphia. Robert Colasacco PS I also call ATH every now and then to ask if they will be having an = organ series and, well, no, they tell me they don't have them. Please, I've just caused my already extremely high blood pressure to jump about another 1000 points. Tscheuss mon ami.       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:18:47 -0500   I did write. Let's see if they respond this time. I also, only lightly, scolded them for not replying,well, 2 years ago. They probably think I'm crazy, and you know, they're right!!! Thanks for the support. Sincerely, Robert   -----Original Message----- From: pat and ian [mailto:patian@senet.com.au] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:09 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Cornet IV           Ian wrote: > Can you throw any light on why Johannus never replied?   > Ian.     Robert wrote: > I wish Johannus were more responsive. Now that it's come up I think I = will > write again. Yeah, I will thanks for pursuing this. You've inspired me = to be > more aggressive. > Thanks, > Robert >   Ian wrote:   Good on Yer, Robert!   Let us all know the result.   Ian, "Down Under".     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia From: "Charles E. Brown" <chabrown@bellatlantic.net> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:24:37 -0500   Robert:   This goes back to an argument I have been making for years to no avail. Organist, in general, do nothing to popularize the instrument. Most organ recitals, in my opinion, are musically dreadful and of interest to only other organist.   Tully had an organ series 20, or so, years ago. It was part of the Great Performers series at Lincoln Center. With even people like Cochereau and Weir, the hall was only about 25% full. The performances were certainly = well advertised as part of the GP series.   The organ world needs to examine itself carefully.   Charles   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of COLASACCO, ROBERT Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:16 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia     Well, sorry, but all I can afford to do, financially that is, is = criticize. The money will have to come from somewhere else. I'll pay the ticket price though. I can "forgive" NOT Lincoln Center as a money making for-profit organization, I guess. But somehow Juilliard, which if you are correct = that it has some connection to ATH, and I wasn't aware it has, but if it has as an institution of education and educational institution that "trains" organists, it or it's department of organ studies might consider getting some funding for such program. Even a few organ recitals per/annum, I'm = sure can get underway. Fact is no one, at least not anyone with money, so it appears to me, is willing to fund organs and organists. I mean really = where are they? Is anyone on this list rich? If so can you support such organs = and organists. There are some wonderful folks out there like Dr.? Bischof = among others, and Mr. Hell, as it were, who deserve if not more than exactly = what the Isaac Sterns and Yitzak Perlmans get. Why are organists so low on the scale? What the hell is that all about. Blood pressure. Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: Charles E. Brown [mailto:chabrown@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:01 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Kimmel Center in Philadelphia