PipeChat Digest #2585 - Wednesday, December 19, 2001
 
Merry Christmas - Legal Style
  by "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net>
St. John the Devine--my two cents
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Cathedral Fire at Str. John the Devine NYC
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Cornet IV
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Cornet IV
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
No Sam, there is no Stalactite Organ
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net>
Re: St  John the Divine
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Jeff White's Cornet
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: Now WAY OT: odd dial phones (was: Grace Cathedral)
  by "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org>
coupler manuals
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: coupler manuals
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: coupler manuals
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
couplers in Bach's day
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Cathedral Fire at Str. John the Devine NYC
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: couplers in Bach's day
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
 

(back) Subject: Merry Christmas - Legal Style From: "Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS" <marika57@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:14:21 -0500   *Merry Christmas from a Lawyer*   Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious   persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all ...   .... And a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2002, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make   America great, (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "AMERICA" in the Western Hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee.   (By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.)   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************      
(back) Subject: St. John the Devine--my two cents From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:09:29 -0500   Poor St. John the Devine Cathedral IS the largest Gothic Cathedral in the world. It has, however, had, and as of yesterday seems to have, a roller coaster history and much is unfortunate to an institution that is = supportive of so many good social programs in New York City. The cardinal and st. = pat's may be in the spotlight but St. John's deserves the cudos (or is it Kudos) for its long history of aid to the poor and the needy of its immediate neighborhood and way beyond into all parts of New York City as the = Diocesan center of the Episcopal Church. The other place I mentioned earlier does some of that but is very selective as to whom it will give support, and caters, as well, to the wealthy. It also expects a return. That said, in = the "turbulent 60s" a decision was made by the Cathedral staff to not complete St. John's (which was not completed, obviously, I believe but am not sure, that the transepts were not completed by then). What had been decided was = to just cover the opening in the ceiling with a permanent domed roof at the crossing and stone up the sides of where the transepts would be. This decision was made for many reasons including the lack of funds (then the city and all institutions therein were just about bankrupt) and in the turbulence of the peace movement and the civil rights movement in particular--St. John's just borders Harlem--the Diocese felt it was more important to put their energies and monies (limited as they were) into improving conditions in the community thus to establish and support social organizations that contributed to those causes. Thus the building and completion of the original plans were halted and there it stood until the 80s when an aggressive program to complete the cathedral and do it via social programs that trained and educated the people of the neighborhood. Stonecutters and artisans of all areas of the finest respect in their fields were brought in and began training and still train people in their particular art for the building of the cathedral and beyond. Robert Colasacco (All memory and open to correction--except the part about the catholics)   -----Original Message----- From: Wurlibird1@aol.com [mailto:Wurlibird1@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:45 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Cc: Theatreorgans-L@theatreorgans.com Subject: Cathedral Fire     The following was gleaned from AOL News Coverage. Although the story = speaks   of the organ in the past tense, the cathedral organist makes no mention of =   damage to the instrument...just uncertain programming for the holiday:   << The cathedral is on Manhattan's Upper West Side in the Morningside Heights =   neighborhood. The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia says the church is the world's largest Gothic cathedral.   The first stone was laid in 1892, but construction has never been = completed,   and work has continued until World War II. When construction resumed in = 1982   after a 41-year break, jobless local youths were trained in old-fashioned stonecutting methods.   Cathedral organist Dorothy Papadakos said the organ was the city's fourth largest and dates to 1910.   ''We were going to do 'The Messiah' in two days,'' she said, ''but I don't =   think it's going to happen.'' <<   Respectfully, Jim Pitts     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Cathedral Fire at Str. John the Devine NYC From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:20:50 -0500   Hi Ron, Was it you who said you believed my Cornet IV excludes an 8' pitch? If not would the person who did please identify himself (not being sexist, it was a male, that I remember). Thanks, Robert   -  
(back) Subject: Cornet IV From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:15:16 -0800   T'was I who said that would be the NORMAL way of things in a PIPE organ.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach   "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > Hi Ron, > Was it you who said you believed my Cornet IV excludes an 8' pitch? > If not would the person who did please identify himself (not being = sexist, > it was a male, that I remember). > Thanks, > Robert > > - > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:33:55 -0500   Ah, And you were correct.   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:15 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Cornet IV     T'was I who said that would be the NORMAL way of things in a PIPE organ.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach   "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > Hi Ron, > Was it you who said you believed my Cornet IV excludes an 8' pitch? > If not would the person who did please identify himself (not being = sexist, > it was a male, that I remember). > Thanks, > Robert > > - > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:38:42 -0500   Hi Bud, I didn't finish that last message. You were correct. I contacted Johannus and they sent me the breakdown of all the mutation and mixture stops and = the Cornet IV has no 8'. I still think it sounds better when I add not only 8' stopped flute but also the 2' walflute. Interesting is the Sesquialtera which as we all know is nonbreaking 2 2/3 and 1/ 3/5 but in Intonation 1 (called American Classic) it's a flute stop while in Intonation 2 = (Baroque) it's made up of principal stops. Also Mixtures are different from one intonation to the other. Anyway. Just wanted you to know you were right = and I was wrong. Robert   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:15 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Cornet IV     T'was I who said that would be the NORMAL way of things in a PIPE organ.   Cheers,   Bud-by-the-Beach   "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > Hi Ron, > Was it you who said you believed my Cornet IV excludes an 8' pitch? > If not would the person who did please identify himself (not being = sexist, > it was a male, that I remember). > Thanks, > Robert > > - > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Cornet IV From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:26:41 EST   Hi Robert   On the Cornet IV, I kept my mouth shut as I wanted to see what our "experts" had to say. :) I will say that Dobson produced a 4' Cornet IV for his organ in St. Joseph's Abbey, in Louisiana. I think it was on the Great of this 39 rank instrument TAO April, 2001.   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: RE: Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:37:10 -0500   Hi Ron, Yeah but this is just a digital, it's not a pipe organ and, as I mentioned, I think most of the stops sound really quite good, I'm not pleased with the cornet. If I had to say that one stop (not counting the pedal bass 16 footers which are always a give away on electronic/digitals = no matter how good they are or claim to be they're too "dead" lacking in sufficient overtones) this particular cornet, to my ears at least, sounds too "clean" and therefore artificial. All the other stops sound fine with fine overtones and harmonics, although somewhat shrill in Intonation = 2--yet I like it. I don't know why, I like screeching somewhat. Call me crazy. Maybe Cornet IV on pipe organs sound unkosher, I don't know, I'm not sure I've ever heard one. I wish I could climb into a pipe organ. Thanks Ron. Robert   -----Original Message----- From: RonSeverin@aol.com [mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:27 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Cornet IV     Hi Robert   On the Cornet IV, I kept my mouth shut as I wanted to see what our "experts" had to say. :) I will say that Dobson produced a 4' Cornet IV for his organ in St. Joseph's Abbey, in Louisiana. I think it was on the Great of this 39 rank instrument TAO April, 2001.   Ron Severin   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: No Sam, there is no Stalactite Organ From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:01:39 -0500     Sam Vause wrote: > > A quick search of "AskJeeves.Com" shows the search string "organ cave = music" > to return a pointer to Luray Caverns in Kentucky: > http://www.luraycaverns.com/pages/stalacpipe%20organ.html discusses the > Stalactite Organ. > --sam   No sam, osama did not listen to the peals of the King of Instruments far beneath the sands of Afghanistan.   Neither have most of us visiting this cavern in Virginia. The music is a clever ruse to the attendees. A clever hoax to the tourists.   ...but fun, nevertheless   Maybe it worked - a long time ago.   But.. There is a Santa Claus   My Santa Claus says 'hello' to your Santa Claus.   Merry Christmas Everyone; love, Stan    
(back) Subject: Re: St John the Divine From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:13:01 EST     --part1_4b.15867090.2952249d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/18/01 11:51:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, chabrown@bellatlantic.net writes:     > Very well said. No matter what gets thrown at NY, we come back stronger. > Thanks. I really can't wait to visit, hopefully this spring sometime. = I have several beagle buddies who live on Central Park. We we're supposed = to meet for a group howl on September 12, but my trip got cancelled. I greatly admire the people of NYC... definitely a special breed.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_4b.15867090.2952249d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/18/01 11:51:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, chabrown@bellatlantic.net = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">Very well said. No matter what gets thrown at NY, we come back = stronger.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>Thanks. &nbsp;&nbsp;I really can't wait to visit, hopefully this = spring sometime. &nbsp;&nbsp;I have several beagle buddies who live on = Central Park. &nbsp;&nbsp;We we're supposed to meet for a group howl on = September 12, but my trip got cancelled. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I = greatly admire the people of NYC... &nbsp;definitely a special breed. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4b.15867090.2952249d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Jeff White's Cornet From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:29:33 EST     --part1_90.1ede9a15.2952287d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/19/01 12:16:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes:     > High in the case I can handle.....back, no. It's pretty shallow from = front > to back. :-) Interesting possibilities, though!!! >   You might be really surprised at the results. I've been really amazed = with some of the "hinterwerk" divisions I've heard. My suggestion would be to = go hear some organs with this kind of placement. It's a great learning experience not to mention fun to travel around.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_90.1ede9a15.2952287d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/19/01 12:16:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedstop@prodigy.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000ff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px">High in the case I can handle.....back, no. &nbsp;It's pretty shallow = from front to back. :-) &nbsp;Interesting possibilities, = though!!!</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>You might be really surprised at the results. &nbsp;&nbsp;I've been = really amazed with some of the "hinterwerk" divisions I've heard. = &nbsp;&nbsp;My suggestion would be to go hear some organs with this kind = of placement. &nbsp;It's a great learning experience not to mention fun to = travel around. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_90.1ede9a15.2952287d_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Now WAY OT: odd dial phones (was: Grace Cathedral) From: "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:28:19 -0500   And the numeric keypad on my computer. Upside down. Who was thinking about WHAT?   Alan   -----Original Message----- From: Marika E. Buchberger, LRPS [mailto:marika57@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 3:55 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Now WAY OT: odd dial phones (was: Grace Cathedral)   How about a touch tone phone and a calculator. They too are backwards..... ;)   Tim Bovard wrote:   > At 08:18 AM 12/18/01 +1300, Ross wrote: > >In NZ, our emergency number is 111. In Britain they use 999, but someone > >goofed in NZ telephones many, many years ago, and our dials are different, > >the numbers going in the other direction, so we have 111 instead. > > Hi, Ross -- > > Does this sound familiar? Old black dial telephone, assumed to be European > (but I don't know *where* in Europe...). Looks much like a typical old US > dial phone (albeit a somewhat pregnant one), except that the numbers on the > dial are exactly backwards from US convention. The <0> is where the <1> > should be, (nearest the finger stop on the dial) and vice versa. The > strangest thing about it is that (here, anyway) each hole in the dial > functions as if it was labeled correctly. (i.e., if you dial <911> by the > *numbers* on this phone (plugged in here), it would actually send <200> to > the telephone exchange. > > I've always wondered where that thing really came from... ;-) > > Cheers, > > Tim > (who hopes there isn't anyone on this list who doesn't know what a "dial > telephone" is...) > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org   -- ***************************************************** Healthcare references for everyone. "Recipient of the year 2000 Featured Site Award at healthAtoZ.com" http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/m_erika.html   Internet Safety Lessons. Must reading for everyone. http://home.earthlink.net/~marika57/safetylessons.html *****************************************************       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: coupler manuals From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:39:52 -0800   My question: did coupler manuals exist historically? The only thing similar I can think of are the Grand Choeur manuals at St. Sulpice and Notre Dame.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: coupler manuals From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:39:44 -0500   In a book I am reading on Bach it seems there were couplers on organs that he played. Or did I get it wrong? Does "coupler manual" mean something different than manual couplers? Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:40 PM To: pipechat Subject: coupler manuals     My question: did coupler manuals exist historically? The only thing similar I can think of are the Grand Choeur manuals at St. Sulpice and Notre Dame.   Cheers,   Bud     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: coupler manuals From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:47:03 -0800   Manual COUPLERS couple one manual to another; a coupler MANUAL is one that = has no stops of its own, to which two or more OTHER manuals are (usually) PERMANENTLY coupled, thus:   Manual III - Swell Manual II - Great Manual I - Coupler   So instead of drawing a Swell to Great coupler, you simply play on the = Coupler manual, and, voila, you have Swell + Great.   Usually done on tracker organs ... evidently the touch on the Coupler = Manual is lighter than if the builder built a Swell to Great coupler.   Cheers,   Bud   "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > In a book I am reading on Bach it seems there were couplers on organs = that > he played. Or did I get it wrong? Does "coupler manual" mean something > different than manual couplers? > Robert Colasacco > > -----Original Message----- > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:40 PM > To: pipechat > Subject: coupler manuals > > My question: did coupler manuals exist historically? The only thing > similar I can think of are the Grand Choeur manuals at St. Sulpice and > Notre Dame. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: couplers in Bach's day From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:51:36 -0800   Legend has it that at least some of the organ manual couplers in Bach's day were "shove" couplers like a harpsichord, i.e., one had to take both hands OFF the keyboard, grasp two knobs in the key-cheeks, and physically SHOVE the lower manual UNDER the upper manual (by a very short distance) in order to engage the coupler mechanism.   This is significant in considering Bach's registrations ... it supposedly wasn't possible, at least on some organs, to draw and retire the manual coupler without stopping the music altogether. At most, one might be able to couple or uncouple the manuals between a prelude and a fugue.   Silbermann also didn't build some of the usual couplers on his organs, but I forget which ... Hauptwerk to Pedal? Somebody clarify this, please.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Cathedral Fire at Str. John the Devine NYC From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:49:10 EST     --part1_149.693058d.29522d16_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/19/01 9:21:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org writes:     > Was it you who said you believed my Cornet IV excludes an 8' pitch? > If not would the person who did please identify himself (not being = sexist, > it was a male, that I remember). >   Robert, You might want to tell them what will happen to them when they come = forward!! Sounds ominous!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_149.693058d.29522d16_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/19/01 9:21:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Was it you who = said you believed my Cornet IV excludes an 8' pitch? <BR>If not would the person who did please identify himself (not being = sexist, <BR>it was a male, that I remember). <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Robert, <BR>You might want to tell them what will happen to them when they come = forward!! &nbsp;&nbsp;Sounds ominous!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_149.693058d.29522d16_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: couplers in Bach's day From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 12:51:30 -0500   Yes, I am aware of the mechanism I was just replying, or at least thought = I was, to the question about the history of couplers. I just had the wrong answer to the right question.   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com [mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 12:52 PM To: pipechat Subject: couplers in Bach's day     Legend has it that at least some of the organ manual couplers in Bach's day were "shove" couplers like a harpsichord, i.e., one had to take both hands OFF the keyboard, grasp two knobs in the key-cheeks, and physically SHOVE the lower manual UNDER the upper manual (by a very short distance) in order to engage the coupler mechanism.   This is significant in considering Bach's registrations ... it supposedly wasn't possible, at least on some organs, to draw and retire the manual coupler without stopping the music altogether. At most, one might be able to couple or uncouple the manuals between a prelude and a fugue.   Silbermann also didn't build some of the usual couplers on his organs, but I forget which ... Hauptwerk to Pedal? Somebody clarify this, please.   Cheers,   Bud         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org