PipeChat Digest #2590 - Wednesday, December 19, 2001
 
Re: St. John the Divine
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Now WAY OT: odd dial phones (was: Grace Cathedral)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: coupler manuals
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Time to Weigh In
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: TWO Aeolian-Skinners endangered in NYC (X-posted)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: TWO Aeolian-Skinners endangered in NYC (X-posted)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
St. John the Divine
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: St. John the Divine
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Re: Bass "electronic" 16's
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV
  by "Tyler Robertson" <brad_taylor32@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: St. John the Divine From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:51:17 EST     --part1_27.1ffff849.2952ac25_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/19/01 7:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wuxuzusu@aol.com writes:     > I am truly sorry that Bruce has not seen St. John the Divine in person. = It > is truly an awesome edifice. >   Thank you, Stan. Contributions may be sent to.... ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_27.1ffff849.2952ac25_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/19/01 7:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Wuxuzusu@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am truly sorry = that Bruce has not seen St. John the Divine in person. It is truly an = awesome edifice. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>Thank you, Stan. &nbsp;Contributions may be sent to.... &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_27.1ffff849.2952ac25_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Now WAY OT: odd dial phones (was: Grace Cathedral) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:58:08 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <parishadmin@stlukesnyc.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: RE: Now WAY OT: odd dial phones (was: Grace Cathedral)   > At 08:18 AM 12/18/01 +1300, Ross wrote: > >In NZ, our emergency number is 111. In Britain they use 999, but someone > >goofed in NZ telephones many, many years ago, and our dials are different, > >the numbers going in the other direction, so we have 111 instead.   I think this all has to do with the bathwater draining out in the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: coupler manuals From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:05:00 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: RE: coupler manuals     > In a book I am reading on Bach it seems there were couplers on organs = that > he played. Or did I get it wrong? Does "coupler manual" mean something > different than manual couplers?   Some organs did have primitive forms of couplers in Bach's day. Generally these were of two kinds. There were intermanual "shove" couplers, where = you slid the top manual out so that it was directly above the lower manual, = and thus when you played on the upper manual it played the lower manual as = well. Secondly there was the occasional Hauptwerk to Pedal coupler, which generally operated by having an additional set of pallets in the chest. = One of these has survived on the organ built by German immigrant David Tannenberg at the Moravian Church in Lititz, Pa., in 1787. The modern = form of cam couplers for tracker organs was not developed until the nineteenth century. I do not know of any coupler manuals until comparatively recent times, but I could be wrong about this.   John Speller   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Time to Weigh In From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:11:32 -0800   Douglas, in my state of Western Australia a congregation of 500 is a BIG BIG congregation. The usual congregation CAN NOT afford a pipe organ and you had better believe that! Period (or full stop, as we would say). Bob Elms   Douglas A Campbell wrote: > > Dear Pipechatters, > > There has been a great deal of discussion of late about the > "electronic/Pipe" debate, small organs, and such. > > I feel that I must now weigh in on this whole thread. > > In this recent thread, I have heard the following reasons for buying an > electronic instrument:   > This is the most oft reason given and probably the second least > valid. In truth, most congregations CAN afford a good pipe organ. Yes, > there may be an exception here or there, but by and large, a pipe organ > IS within the possibility of most congregations. In one church, they > recently went through a rather massive restructuring/restoration of = their > 100+ year old structure. The congregation is 500 members  
(back) Subject: Re: TWO Aeolian-Skinners endangered in NYC (X-posted) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:14:32 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_01BD_01C188D2.272488E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   It depends a lot on the quality of the leather. The leather at St. John = =3D the Divine must have been exceptionally good, since it is my =3D understanding that some at least of the leather in the organ goes back =3D to the original Skinner organ of 1910. Generally speaking half a =3D century is quite a good time for organ leather to last. No wonder the =3D organ at St. John the Divine needs restoration.   John Speller ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: COLASACCO, ROBERT=3D20 To: 'PipeChat'=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: RE: TWO Aeolian-Skinners endangered in NYC (X-posted)     Which makes me ask, how often must releathering be done?=3D20     ------=3D_NextPart_000_01BD_01C188D2.272488E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dwindows-1252" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>It depends a lot on the quality of = the=3D20 leather.&nbsp; The leather at St. John the Divine must have been =3D exceptionally=3D20 good, since it is my understanding that some at least of the leather in = =3D the=3D20 organ goes back to the original Skinner organ of 1910.&nbsp; Generally =3D speaking=3D20 half a century is quite a good time for organ leather to last.&nbsp;No =3D wonder=3D20 the organ at St. John the Divine needs restoration.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>John Speller</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org"=3D20 title=3D3DRCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>COLASACCO, ROBERT</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>'PipeChat'</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 19, = =3D 2001 2:09=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: TWO =3D Aeolian-Skinners=3D20 endangered in NYC (X-posted)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D814460720-19122001><FONT color=3D3D#800000 =3D face=3D3DGaramond>Which=3D20 makes me ask, how often must releathering be done? =3D </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D814460720-19122001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>= =3D     ------=3D_NextPart_000_01BD_01C188D2.272488E0--    
(back) Subject: Re: TWO Aeolian-Skinners endangered in NYC (X-posted) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:21:06 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_01EF_01C188D3.12224F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   How true! As an organbuilder I always tell churches that the organ is =3D the canary you take down into the coal mine. If lack of moisture is =3D cracking the woodwork of the organand causing windleaks, then it will =3D also be having a detrimental effect upon the respiratory system of the =3D congregation. If air pollution is killing the organ leather, it will =3D also be killing you. Generally, though, telling people this is like =3D water off a duck's back.   John Speller ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: COLASACCO, ROBERT=3D20 To: 'PipeChat'=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:53 PM Subject: RE: TWO Aeolian-Skinners endangered in NYC (X-posted)     Never mind leather, how about lungs.=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_01EF_01C188D3.12224F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dwindows-1252" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>How true!&nbsp; As an organbuilder I = =3D always tell=3D20 churches that the organ is the canary you take down into the coal =3D mine.&nbsp;=3D20 If&nbsp;lack of moisture is cracking the woodwork of the organand =3D causing=3D20 windleaks, then it will also be having a detrimental effect upon the =3D respiratory=3D20 system of the congregation.&nbsp; If air pollution is killing the organ = =3D leather,=3D20 it will also be killing you.&nbsp; Generally, though, telling people =3D this is=3D20 like water off a duck's back.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>John Speller</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org"=3D20 title=3D3DRCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>COLASACCO, ROBERT</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>'PipeChat'</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 19, = =3D 2001 2:53=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: TWO =3D Aeolian-Skinners=3D20 endangered in NYC (X-posted)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D418285020-19122001><FONT color=3D3D#800000 =3D face=3D3DGaramond>Never=3D20 mind leather, how about lungs. =3D </FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_01EF_01C188D3.12224F80--    
(back) Subject: St. John the Divine From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:31:59 -0800     --------------E9A577DBC0B2CE736CB05F1E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   As I recall the story, G. Donald Harrison wasn't given sufficient funds by the cathedral authorities to do what he felt needed doing for such an enormous nave ... it would be FASCINATING to know what he WOULD have done, had he been given free rein. I would imagine that a west-end organ would have been included, but that's just a guess. So it's not surprising that he might have HAD to re-use some of the original E.M. Skinner chests, etc.   I first heard the organ in 1958, which would have been only four (?) years after the rebuild, and the 11:00 service was interrupted by a HUGE cypher on one of the big Tubas (thankfully NOT the State Trumpet), and everything came to a screeching halt as the wind (1) went down and (2) came up again. I presume somebody pulled the pipe in the interim. That doesn't suggest to me that the entire mechanism was new in 1954, although, of course, it IS possible for NEW chests to cypher.   Cheers,   Bud   "John L. Speller" wrote:   > It depends a lot on the quality of the leather. The leather at St. > John the Divine must have been exceptionally good, since it is my > understanding that some at least of the leather in the organ goes back > to the original Skinner organ of 1910. Generally speaking half a > century is quite a good time for organ leather to last. No wonder the > organ at St. John the Divine needs restoration. John Speller > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: COLASACCO, ROBERT > To: 'PipeChat' > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:09 PM > Subject: RE: TWO Aeolian-Skinners endangered in NYC > (X-posted) > Which makes me ask, how often must releathering be done? >   --------------E9A577DBC0B2CE736CB05F1E Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> As I recall the story, G. Donald Harrison wasn't given sufficient funds by the cathedral authorities to do what he felt needed doing for such an enormous nave ... it would be FASCINATING to know what he WOULD have done, had he been given free rein. I would imagine that a west-end organ would have been included, but that's just a guess. So it's not surprising that he might have HAD to re-use some of the original E.M. Skinner chests, etc. <p>I first heard the organ in 1958, which would have been only four (?) years after the rebuild, and the 11:00 service was interrupted by a HUGE cypher on one of the big Tubas (thankfully NOT the State Trumpet), and everything came to a screeching halt as the wind (1) went down and (2) came up again. I presume somebody pulled the pipe in the interim. That doesn't suggest to me that the entire mechanism was new in 1954, although, of course, it IS possible for NEW chests to cypher. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>"John L. Speller" wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE><style></style> <font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>It depends a lot on the quality of the leather.&nbsp; The leather at St. John the Divine must have been exceptionally good, since it is my understanding that some at least of the leather in the organ goes back to the original Skinner organ of 1910.&nbsp; Generally speaking half a century is quite a good time for organ leather to last. No wonder the organ at St. John the Divine needs restoration.</font></font>&nbsp;<font = face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D-1>John Speller</font></font> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>   <div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org" = title=3D"RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org">COLASACCO, ROBERT</a></div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" title=3D"pipechat@pipechat.org">'PipeChat'</a></div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:09 PM</div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> RE: TWO Aeolian-Skinners endangered in NYC (X-posted)</div> &nbsp;<span class=3D814460720-19122001><font face=3D"Garamond"><font = color=3D"#800000">Which makes me ask, how often must releathering be = done?&nbsp;</font></font></span><span class=3D814460720-19122001></span></blockquote> </blockquote>   </body> </html>   --------------E9A577DBC0B2CE736CB05F1E--    
(back) Subject: Re: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 21:34:11 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0204_01C188D4.E5A318C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   This used to be common practice in the US, and was done, for example by = =3D Ernest M. Skinner. It not only protects the leather, but also seals the = =3D pores and helps the leather to operate more efficiently, especially on =3D high pressures. In pneumatic ventil chests where the builder has not =3D sealed the leather in some way, I have known enough wind to leak through = =3D the leather to fill the ventil and cause ciphers. At QPO we routinely =3D seal our leather with a 20% solution of rubber cement, which achieves =3D the same result and is much less messy than dealing with eggs. I have =3D known some organbuilders who used Vaseline, but this is not a good idea = =3D as it makes the leather sluggish in cold weather. Most organbuilders =3D these days don't coat their leather with anything at all. I'm not sure = =3D this is a good idea either, as the leakage reduces the efficiency of the = =3D organ action. In the nineteenth century, when photographers used egg =3D white for albumen prints, there was a small industry in cookbooks for =3D making use of the leftover yolks. I am not aware, however, of any =3D recipes of this kind produced by organbuilders.   John Speller   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Paul Austin=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin) Here in England it is common practice to apply raw egg to the leather. = =3D This is used particularly on motors and valves as it is thought that it = =3D preserves the leather and protects it against the varying climate =3D changes. The egg is simply cracked open, whipped and then painted on =3D and left to dry. Is this a common practice elsewhere in the world??   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0204_01C188D4.E5A318C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dwindows-1252" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This used to be common practice in = the =3D US, and was=3D20 done, for example by Ernest M. Skinner.&nbsp; It not only protects the =3D leather,=3D20 but also seals the pores and helps the leather to operate more =3D efficiently,=3D20 especially on high pressures.&nbsp; In pneumatic ventil chests where the = =3D builder=3D20 has not sealed the leather in some way, I have known&nbsp;enough wind to = =3D leak=3D20 through the leather to fill the ventil and cause ciphers.&nbsp; At QPO =3D we=3D20 routinely seal our leather with a 20% solution of rubber cement, which =3D achieves=3D20 the same result and is much less messy than dealing with eggs.&nbsp; I =3D have=3D20 known some organbuilders who used Vaseline, but this is not a good idea = =3D as it=3D20 makes the leather sluggish in cold weather.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most =3D organbuilders these=3D20 days don't coat their leather with anything at all.&nbsp; I'm not sure =3D this is a=3D20 good idea either, as the leakage reduces the efficiency of the organ=3D20 action.&nbsp;&nbsp;In the nineteenth century, when photographers used =3D egg white=3D20 for albumen prints, there was a small industry in cookbooks for making =3D use of=3D20 the leftover yolks.&nbsp; I am not aware, however, of any recipes of =3D this kind=3D20 produced by organbuilders.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>John Speller</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com" =3D title=3D3Dpaul-austin@ntlworld.com>Paul=3D20 Austin</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 19, = =3D 2001 11:18=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: leather (pace, Don = =3D Pearson)=3D20 (grin)</DIV> <DIV>Here in England it is common practice to apply raw egg to the=3D20 leather.&nbsp; This is used particularly on motors and valves as it is = =3D thought=3D20 that it preserves the leather and protects it against the varying =3D climate=3D20 changes.&nbsp; The egg is simply cracked open, whipped and then =3D painted on and=3D20 left to dry.&nbsp; Is this a common practice elsewhere in the=3D20 world??</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0204_01C188D4.E5A318C0--    
(back) Subject: Re: St. John the Divine From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:35:34 EST   Hi List   Don't let BrEwSe near St. J. the D. he'll want to trackerize the whole = thing, State Trumpet and all. :) Send him a post card instead with pictures of = the organ. :) BTW how would tracker action work that 50" trumpet w/o Barker Levers? :)   Sorry I got carried away Bruce,   Ron  
(back) Subject: RE: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:17:53 -0600   Robert wrote parenthetically:   not counting the pedal bass 16 footers which are always a give away on electronic/digitals no matter how good they are or claim to be they're too "dead" lacking in sufficient overtones   To which I reply:   Would this be a good idea, then, to have an electronic with pipe basses (instead of the reverse)? Think about this one for a second: in a church which has no room for a real pipe organ (ok, Bruce, let's not go there = again <GRIN>) yet, has room for speakers with a pipe facade...you could have 32 wood pipes and 32 metal pipes, comprising the 16' stops for a Principal = and a Flute in the pedal. Now, consider that these pipes don't go out of tune nearly as much as their smaller counterparts, they'd (ideally) stay in = tune with electronic manual stops, right? (Those who tune...how often to these low pipes go out of tune?) Has this ever been tried? I wonder? And it would solve the "dead with no overtones" problem Robert mentions, because he's RIGHT....the pedals always are the giveaway.   Respectfully, Jeff    
(back) Subject: Re: Bass "electronic" 16's From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:28:31 EST   Don't mix MelMac with Wedgwood. Make it all real, or all imitation.   A piano with a bottom octave that's fake? A violin with three real strings and one fake? An orchestral trumpet with a switch that puts it into "trombone" mode with = an extension speaker?   Don't grind up your Filet Mignon just to make Sloppy Joes.   C'mon folks, we're talking about our futures here. Most serious musicians have no respect for the digital imitation, while many hundreds of organplayers believe they are the be-all and end-all. That's the beauty = of freedom of thought and speech, even if it's misguided. But do NOT dilute = one with the other.  
(back) Subject: Re: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV From: "Tyler Robertson" <brad_taylor32@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:38:52 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C188E6.5121A6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   =3D20 =3D20   Would this be a good idea, then, to have an electronic with pipe basses (instead of the reverse)? -Jeff Hi Guys, =3D20 I figured since I was being spoken of on here every now and then I = should=3D get on and see what's happening. Anyways, to the topic at hand: I think = =3D having pipe basses instead of manual stops is a great idea and one I've = t=3D hought about a few times over. If space permits I would rather have more = =3D of a pedal division filled out in pipes on an electronic. Not to mention = =3D the aesthetic value a large principal facade would lend to a room, but = th=3D e difference in response/resonance is quite amazing. It sounds like I'm = s=3D aying the same thing over and over. Am I? Main point here: When buying = an=3D electronic with pipe additions I think you should "pipe" the stops that = =3D you dislike the most on that organ, all within common organ sense of = cour=3D se. I'm off of my soapbox. Tyler W. Robertson Organist, First United Methodist Church, Temple, TXGet more from the = Web.=3D FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C188E6.5121A6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <=3D DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5=3D px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px">=3D <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-LEFT:=3D 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <P><BR>Would = th=3D is be a good idea, then, to have an electronic with pipe = basses<BR>(inste=3D ad of the reverse)?&nbsp; -Jeff</P> <P>Hi Guys, </P> <P>I figured since = I=3D was being spoken of on here every now and then I should get on and see = w=3D hat's happening. Anyways, to the topic at hand: I think having pipe = basse=3D s instead of manual stops is a great idea and one I've thought about a = fe=3D w times over. If space permits I would rather have more of a pedal = divisi=3D on filled out in pipes on an electronic. Not to mention the aesthetic = val=3D ue a large principal facade would lend to a room, but the difference in = r=3D esponse/resonance is quite amazing. It sounds like I'm saying the same = th=3D ing over and over. Am I? Main point here: When buying an electronic with = =3D pipe additions I think you should "pipe" the stops that you dislike the = m=3D ost on that organ, all within common organ sense of course. I'm off of = my=3D soapbox.</P> <P>Tyler W. Robertson</P> <P>Organist, First United = Methodi=3D st Church, Temple, TX</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><br = clea=3D r=3D3Dall><hr>Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : <a = href=3D3D=3D 'http://explorer.msn.com'>http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C188E6.5121A6A0--