PipeChat Digest #2591 - Thursday, December 20, 2001
 
RE: Bass "electronic" 16's
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net>
Kilgen designer RW Wilkes of Yonkers?
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin)
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: St. John the Divine
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
Re: Time to Weigh In
  by "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Bass "electronic" 16's From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:46:30 -0600   Tuba, you missed my point entirely, and as much as we're not going to stop contemporary music from being played in churches, you are not going to = stop churches from having electronic or combination instruments. It's regrettable, but unfortunately fact...and not a NEW fact, I might add.   My point was that IF you are going to have an electronic anyway, in order = to relieve that "deadness" of an electronic 16' stop, would a pipe rank at = 16' make a difference, and would you have the same tuning problems you'd have with a combination instrument?   My question was not an endorsement of this, but rather a hypothetical situation I was curious about. I've said it before, and I'll say it = again, if given a preference, I'd rather have an all-pipe organ, not a = combination, not an electronic. BUT....in the real world...would this WORK?   As for our futures...well, I don't see that is ever going to change as = long as people are out there who desire and appreciate fine pipe organs. I = know this is your livelihood (sp?), so I respect your comment. I was speaking purely in theory.   Regards, Jeff   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > TubaMagna@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:29 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Bass "electronic" 16's > > > Don't mix MelMac with Wedgwood. > Make it all real, or all imitation. > > A piano with a bottom octave that's fake? > A violin with three real strings and one fake? > An orchestral trumpet with a switch that puts it into "trombone" > mode with an > extension speaker? > > Don't grind up your Filet Mignon just to make Sloppy Joes. > > C'mon folks, we're talking about our futures here. Most serious = musicians > have no respect for the digital imitation, while many hundreds of > organplayers believe they are the be-all and end-all. That's the > beauty of > freedom of thought and speech, even if it's misguided. But do NOT > dilute one > with the other. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Kilgen designer RW Wilkes of Yonkers? From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:57:09 EST   Beloved and scient list members:   What can you folks tell me abou Robert W. Wilkes, whose name appears on = some very odd Kilgen organs as "Organ Architect" followed 350 Warburton Avenue, =   Yonkers, N.Y.? He seemed to know very little about coherent tonal design, but he did understand the capacities of unit relays and the electromechanical = coupling in Kilgen consoles.   I don't know anything about him, nor his exact dates, although I believe = he "flourished" during the late 1920s. Anything about this curious man, and = his even more curious pipe organ designs?   Sebastian M. Gluk NYC  
(back) Subject: Re: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin) From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:03:34 -0000   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0162_01C1892C.D2B79EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I, also living in England, am aware of the practice of rubbing boot =3D dubbing into exposed leather surfaces (which is just what you are doing = =3D to your boots) whenever tuners have time (and are being paid enough) to = =3D do this on a fairly regular basis. I would have thought that egg would have made the surface attractive to = =3D bats (of which we have quite a few) since you can't help decomposition =3D and the production of insect life (food for our furry friends). PS. Far from just having people climb through my organ, on one occasion = =3D when 6 Senior Judges were to be in the congregation, I had bomb =3D 'sniffer' dogs sent through the Organ chests (though how they resisted =3D all those 'trees' is beyond me - and fortunately beyond them) !   Harry -----Original Message----- From: Paul Austin <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: 19 December 2001 21:15 Subject: Re: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin) =3D20 =3D20 List, =3D20 Here in England it is common practice to apply raw egg to the =3D leather. This is used particularly on motors and valves as it is =3D thought that it preserves the leather and protects it against the =3D varying climate changes. The egg is simply cracked open, whipped and =3D then painted on and left to dry. Is this a common practice elsewhere in = =3D the world?? =3D20 Regards, =3D20 Paul. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: quilisma@socal.rr.com=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: 20 December 2001 01:01 Subject: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin) =3D20 =3D20 =3D20 "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:=3D20   Which makes me ask, how often must releathering be done?=3D20 Every 15-100 years, depending on the kind of action and the = =3D quality of the leather in the first place and the acid content of the =3D air.=3D20   Does it depend on whether or not an organ is used more =3D often? I know weather is a factor but lets say in whatever climate =3D leaving the weather factor out would an organ which is played more or =3D less require more frequent releathering?=3D20   More is better than less ... keeps the leather supple.=3D20 Thanks,Robert I would love to climb into an organ.=3D20   Moving right along (grin) ...=3D20   Now, *I* have a question:=3D20   I've never heard of applying any kind of treatment (oil, =3D etc.) to EXPOSED leather in an organ ... is it already treated? Or is =3D there another reason for not doing it? Seems to me that the exposed =3D leather in most old organs of my experience failed because it was dry =3D and cracked, aside from folds of bellows simply wearing OUT.=3D20   OTOH, I've opened pallet-boxes of hundred-year-old trackers = =3D and found that leather to be in PERFECT condition.=3D20   Cheers,=3D20   Bud-by-the-Beach     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0162_01C1892C.D2B79EE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>   <META content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1 =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 = =3D Transitional//EN"> <META content=3D3D'"MSHTML 4.72.2106.6"' name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE>   </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2>I, also living in England, am = aware =3D of the=3D20 practice of rubbing boot dubbing into exposed leather surfaces (which is = =3D just=3D20 what you are doing to your boots) whenever tuners have time (and are =3D being paid=3D20 enough) to do this on a fairly regular basis.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D3D2>I would = have =3D thought that=3D20 egg would have made the surface attractive to bats (of which we have =3D quite a=3D20 few) since you can't help decomposition and the production of insect =3D life (food=3D20 for our furry friends).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>PS. Far from just having people climb through my =3D organ, on one=3D20 occasion when 6 Senior Judges were to be in the congregation, I had bomb = =3D   'sniffer' dogs sent through the Organ chests (though how they resisted =3D all those=3D20 'trees' is beyond me - and fortunately beyond them) !</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Harry</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = =3D 5px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><B>-----Original =3D Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=3D20 </B>Paul Austin &lt;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com">paul-austin@ntlworld.com</A>&gt;= =3D <BR><B>To:=3D20 </B>PipeChat &lt;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>&gt;<BR><B= =3D >Date:=3D20 </B>19 December 2001 21:15<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: leather (pace, Don = =3D   Pearson) (grin)<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV>List,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Here in England it is common practice to apply raw egg to = the=3D20 leather.&nbsp; This is used particularly on motors and valves as it = =3D is=3D20 thought that it preserves the leather and protects it against the =3D varying=3D20 climate changes.&nbsp; The egg is simply cracked open, whipped and =3D then=3D20 painted on and left to dry.&nbsp; Is this a common practice =3D elsewhere in the=3D20 world??</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Regards,</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Paul.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =3D </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com"=3D20 title=3D3Dquilisma@socal.rr.com>quilisma@socal.rr.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org"=3D20 title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 20 December 2001 = =3D 01:01</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> leather (pace, = =3D Don=3D20 Pearson) (grin)</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>&nbsp;=3D20 <P>&quot;COLASACCO, ROBERT&quot; wrote:=3D20 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE =3D3D CITE>&nbsp;<SPAN =3D class=3D3D814460720-19122001><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DGaramond><FONT color=3D3D#800000>Which makes me ask, = =3D how often must=3D20 releathering be done?</FONT></FONT><FONT =3D face=3D3DGaramond><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#800000></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT = color=3D3D#000000><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D+1>Every 15-100 years, depending on the kind of =3D action and the=3D20 quality of the leather in the first place and the acid =3D content of=3D20 the air.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT = face=3D3DGaramond><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#800000></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3DGaramond><FONT color=3D3D#800000>Does it =3D depend on whether=3D20 or not an organ is used more often? I know weather is a =3D factor but=3D20 lets say in whatever climate leaving the weather factor out = =3D would an=3D20 organ which is played more or less require more frequent=3D20 releathering?</FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT =3D face=3D3DGaramond><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#800000></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT = color=3D3D#000000><FONT =3D size=3D3D+1>More=3D20 is better than less ... keeps the leather=3D20 supple.</FONT></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D3DGaramond><FONT = =3D   color=3D3D#800000></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;<SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D814460720-19122001><FONT = face=3D3DGaramond><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#800000>Thanks,</FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D814460720-19122001><FONT = face=3D3DGaramond><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#800000>Robert&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=3D20 class=3D3D814460720-19122001><FONT face=3D3DGaramond><FONT =3D color=3D3D#800000>I=3D20 would love to climb into an organ.</FONT></FONT></SPAN><FONT = =3D   face=3D3DGaramond><FONT color=3D3D#800000></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT = color=3D3D#000000><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D+1>Moving right along (grin) =3D ....</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT color=3D3D#000000><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D+1></FONT></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT = color=3D3D#000000><FONT =3D size=3D3D+1>Now,=3D20 *I* have a question:</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT color=3D3D#000000><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D+1></FONT></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT = color=3D3D#000000><FONT =3D size=3D3D+1>I've=3D20 never heard of applying any kind of treatment (oil, etc.) to = =3D EXPOSED=3D20 leather in an organ&nbsp; ... is it already treated? Or is =3D there=3D20 another reason for not doing it? Seems to me that the =3D exposed=3D20 leather in most old organs of my experience failed because =3D it was=3D20 dry and cracked, aside from folds of bellows simply = wearing=3D20 OUT.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT = face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#000000><FONT size=3D3D+1></FONT></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT = color=3D3D#000000><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D+1>OTOH, I've opened pallet-boxes of hundred-year-old = =3D trackers=3D20 and found that leather to be in PERFECT=3D20 condition.</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT =3D face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#000000><FONT size=3D3D+1></FONT></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT = color=3D3D#000000><FONT=3D20 size=3D3D+1>Cheers,</FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT =3D face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT=3D20 color=3D3D#000000><FONT size=3D3D+1></FONT></FONT></FONT>=3D20 <P><FONT face=3D3DArial,Helvetica><FONT = color=3D3D#000000><FONT=3D20 =3D size=3D3D+1>Bud-by-the-Beach</FONT></FONT></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQU= =3D OTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0162_01C1892C.D2B79EE0--    
(back) Subject: Re: St. John the Divine From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 04:01:03 -0500       On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:35:34 EST RonSeverin@aol.com writes: > Hi List > > Don't let BrEwSe near St. J. the D. he'll want to trackerize the > whole thing, > State Trumpet and all. :) Send him a post card instead with pictures > of the > organ. :) BTW how would tracker action work that 50" trumpet w/o > Barker > Levers? :) >   To say nothing of the problem of making 600 foot long trackers !!!!!     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.  
(back) Subject: Re: Time to Weigh In From: "Douglas A Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 03:40:43 -0500       On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:11:32 -0800 Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> writes: > Douglas, in my state of Western Australia a congregation of 500 is a > BIG > BIG congregation. The usual congregation CAN NOT afford a pipe organ > and > you had better believe that! Period (or full stop, as we would say). > Bob Elms > Well Bob,   Then perhaps I should have prefaced my comments by saying: May not be valid in Western Australia.     Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.