PipeChat Digest #2592 - Thursday, December 20, 2001
 
Re: Time to Weigh In
  by "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au>
RE: Bass "electronic" 16's
  by "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.c
RE: Eggs 'n' Leather
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: PipeChat Digest #2588 - 12/19/01
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin)
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Bass "electronic" 16's
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
RE: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
electronic basses
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin)
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Bass "electronic" 16's
  by "Tyler Robertson" <brad_taylor32@hotmail.com>
RE: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV
  by <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
RE: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: St. John the Divine
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: St. John the Divine
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: St. John the Divine
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: St. John The Devine
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: St. John The Devine
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Telephone Dial Key Ordering and Useless Fun Tricks
  by "Bob Richardson" <bob@peak.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Time to Weigh In From: "Roger Brown" <rbrown7@bigpond.net.au> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:56:32 +1100     Douglas> Then perhaps I should have prefaced my comments by saying: May = not be Douglas> valid in Western Australia.   You'll have to excuse Bob - they get like that when they have been away = from civilisation for too long,   Roger (in civilised Melbourne)     Roger Brown rbrown7@bigpond.net.au http://rogerbrown.tripod.com      
(back) Subject: RE: Bass "electronic" 16's From: "BridgewaterUMC Director of Music" <bridgewatermusic@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:09:20 -0500     Jeff:   I couldnt agree more! As someone who makes a living wage in a Church with = a fine music program, I have seen the value of compromise. In my case it assured my future instead of putting an end to it. Our purchase of a non =   winded instrument has allowed the church to provide me with a living wage, = a decent budeget and recourses for our choral and handbell choirs.   As to the 16' stop. Have you heard the newest Allens? The pedals stops = are quite good and have a full harmonic development. The newest software in = the hands of a good voicer can make a gigantic difference.   Dr K   _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Eggs 'n' Leather From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:28:07 -0500   And that's a good thing?    
(back) Subject: RE: PipeChat Digest #2588 - 12/19/01 From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:00:09 -0500   Thank you. Isn't that what I asked, "Wouldn't egg white dry up and crack which is what it ALWAYS does!!!"   -----Original Message----- From: Ken_Earl01 [mailto:ken_earl01@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:30 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #2588 - 12/19/01     With reference to Paul's comment about egg whites being applied to organ leathers.   The only builder that I know who "used to" do this, was J & J Binns (later Binns, Fitton and Haley).   Every instrument of theirs that I've worked on (and that's been a few) = have suffered the same fate. The leather reacted to the egg, dried up, cracked = / split., and was useless, in the same time periods (10 to 15 years) that other builders' untreated leather work was still almost 'as new'.   If this is still being done, it goes to show that the mistakes of our grandparents etc have still not been learned!!   Ken   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin) From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:05:28 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1895F.61063620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Babka and Struffoli require only egg yolks and, of course, the very = highest quality of egg pastas are made of the yolk only. NEVER buy egg pastas: ALWAYS make your own! Robert Colasacco -----Original Message----- From: John L. Speller [mailto:jlspeller@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:34 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin)     This used to be common practice in the US, and was done, for example by Ernest M. Skinner. It not only protects the leather, but also seals the pores and helps the leather to operate more efficiently, especially on = high pressures. In pneumatic ventil chests where the builder has not sealed = the leather in some way, I have known enough wind to leak through the leather = to fill the ventil and cause ciphers. At QPO we routinely seal our leather with a 20% solution of rubber cement, which achieves the same result and = is much less messy than dealing with eggs. I have known some organbuilders = who used Vaseline, but this is not a good idea as it makes the leather = sluggish in cold weather. Most organbuilders these days don't coat their leather with anything at all. I'm not sure this is a good idea either, as the leakage reduces the efficiency of the organ action. In the nineteenth century, when photographers used egg white for albumen prints, there was a small industry in cookbooks for making use of the leftover yolks. I am = not aware, however, of any recipes of this kind produced by organbuilders. John Speller ----- Original Message -----   From: Paul <mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com> Austin To: PipeChat <mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin) Here in England it is common practice to apply raw egg to the leather. = This is used particularly on motors and valves as it is thought that it = preserves the leather and protects it against the varying climate changes. The egg = is simply cracked open, whipped and then painted on and left to dry. Is this = a common practice elsewhere in the world??     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1895F.61063620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D542560314-20122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Babka and Struffoli require only egg yolks and, of course, the very highest quality = of egg pastas are made of the yolk only. NEVER buy egg pastas: ALWAYS make your own!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D542560314-20122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Robert Colasacco</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> John L. Speller [mailto:jlspeller@mindspring.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 19, = 2001 10:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> PipeChat<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This used to be common practice in the = US, and was done, for example by Ernest M. Skinner.&nbsp; It not only protects the = leather, but also seals the pores and helps the leather to operate more = efficiently, especially on high pressures.&nbsp; In pneumatic ventil chests where the = builder has not sealed the leather in some way, I have known&nbsp;enough wind to = leak through the leather to fill the ventil and cause ciphers.&nbsp; At QPO we routinely seal our leather with a 20% solution of rubber cement, which = achieves the same result and is much less messy than dealing with eggs.&nbsp; I = have known some organbuilders who used Vaseline, but this is not a good idea as it makes the leather sluggish in cold weather.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most organbuilders = these days don't coat their leather with anything at all.&nbsp; I'm not sure = this is a good idea either, as the leakage reduces the efficiency of the organ action.&nbsp;&nbsp;In the nineteenth century, when photographers used egg = white for albumen prints, there was a small industry in cookbooks for making use = of the leftover yolks.&nbsp; I am not aware, however, of any recipes of this = kind produced by organbuilders.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John Speller</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dpaul-austin@ntlworld.com = href=3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com">Paul Austin</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dpipechat@pipechat.org href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 19, = 2001 11:18 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: leather (pace, Don = Pearson) (grin)</DIV> <DIV>Here in England it is common practice to apply raw egg to the leather.&nbsp; This is used particularly on motors and valves as it is = thought that it preserves the leather and protects it against the varying = climate changes.&nbsp; The egg is simply cracked open, whipped and then painted = on and left to dry.&nbsp; Is this a common practice elsewhere in the world??</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C1895F.61063620--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 05:22:52 -0800   Better check whether the electronic 16 footers are really a dead giveaway. I have heard some that are quite definitely not. Think too that the cost of a few ranks of 16 and 32 will almost cost you as much as the rest of the pipes in the organ --- well.... not much exaggeration. Another point is that unless you have a very very good speaker and amplifying system the electronic manual stops could be a 'dead giveaway". The 16 and 32 foot end would be much,much harder to pick and more tolerant of a lesser amplifier and speaker system. I would say that if you can afford a few ranks of 32 and 16 foot stops you can afford a whole pipe organ and forget the electronics. There! I've made a friend of the Hurruffarroo family for life!!!But I think it is true. Bob Elms.   Jeff White wrote: > > Robert wrote parenthetically: > > not counting the pedal bass 16 footers which are always a give away on > electronic/digitals no matter how good they are or claim to be they're = too > "dead" lacking in sufficient overtones > > To which I reply: > > Would this be a good idea, then, to have an electronic with pipe basses > (instead of the reverse)?  
(back) Subject: Re: Bass "electronic" 16's From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 05:26:33 -0800   (groan) It's on AGAIN! NO! I am not going to comment again. I swear it!!! (groan). Am I a serious musician? M'yes! Then why don't I agree with Tuba Magna? Of course there is the point that he builds pipe organs!!!!! NO! I am not going to comment again. Back to bed! Bob Elms.   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > Don't mix MelMac with Wedgwood. > Make it all real, or all imitation. > > A piano with a bottom octave that's fake? > A violin with three real strings and one fake? > An orchestral trumpet with a switch that puts it into "trombone" mode = with an > extension speaker? > > Don't grind up your Filet Mignon just to make Sloppy Joes. > > C'mon folks, we're talking about our futures here. Most serious = musicians > have no respect for the digital imitation, while many hundreds of > organplayers believe they are the be-all and end-all. That's the beauty = of > freedom of thought and speech, even if it's misguided. But do NOT dilute = one > with the other.  
(back) Subject: RE: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:24:16 -0500   Possibly. Don't forget, my organ in my small apt is only self-contained. I've added no speakers AND, A N D...it's a dead space for sound. But even = so I've heard only recordings of supposedly good acoustic areas where electronics were used and the lower tones weren't quite up to snuff, shall = I say? They weren't horrible but the point is you could tell they were not pipes. Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message-----     Better check whether the electronic 16 footers are really a dead giveaway. I have heard some that are quite definitely not. Think too that the cost of a few ranks of 16 and 32 will almost cost you as much as the rest of the pipes in the organ --- well.... not much exaggeration. Another point is that unless you have a very very good speaker and amplifying system the electronic manual stops could be a 'dead giveaway".  
(back) Subject: electronic basses From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 07:30:34 -0800   The problem is not usually that they sound "dead", or that they don't produce enough fundamental ... the problem is usually that the client doesn't want to spend the money for sub-woofers that will carry the pitch down to low C, particularly for a 32' Bourdon.   Copeman Hart builds a bass enclosure that is actually structural to the building, which by all reports produces a fine sound.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: RE: leather (pace, Don Pearson) (grin) From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:25:05 -0600   Whose idea do you think it was, after all?       Thanky. I wonder what Martha Stewart would say?   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/    
(back) Subject: Re: Bass "electronic" 16's From: "Tyler Robertson" <brad_taylor32@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:27:11 -0600     ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C18940.E2733D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   =3D20 How about when you have an organ built that is highly unbalanced? Yes, = p=3D ipes are good, and pipes are great, but how about those few times = (snicke=3D r) when pedal stops just don't cut it on a pipe organ? I know one such = fa=3D irly new concert hall organ (that will remain unnamed) that is so = lacking=3D in bass, due to scaling, that I would be happy to throw a few 18" = woofer=3D s under it to give it the gravity it so desperately needs. Do remember = fo=3D lks, that there are a large amount of instruments that get digital pedal = =3D stops because of space and money requirements. Digital pedal stops have = c=3D ome a long way as well...I have both a 26 rank pipe organ and a 2 manual = =3D Allen organ (c. 1985) at my disposal in the chancel right now. And in = the=3D se past sixteen or so years the familiar "buuuuzzzz" of a 16' bombarde = or=3D the "boooooooooo" of a 16' principal have made great strides towards = bei=3D ng a part of the "real pipe sound."   Tyler W. Robertson Organist, First United Methodist Church, Temple, TX Organ Performance Major, Baylor University, Waco, TXGet more from the = Web=3D .. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C18940.E2733D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><BODY STYLE=3D3D"font:10pt verdana; border:none;"><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> = <=3D DIV>&nbsp;How about when you have an organ built that is highly = unbalance=3D d? Yes, pipes are good, and pipes are great, but how about those few = time=3D s (snicker) when pedal stops just don't cut it on a pipe organ? I know = on=3D e such fairly new concert hall organ (that will remain unnamed) that is = s=3D o lacking in bass, due to scaling, that I would be happy to throw a few = 1=3D 8" woofers under it to give it the gravity it so desperately needs. Do = re=3D member folks, that there are a large amount of instruments that get = digit=3D al pedal stops because of space and money requirements. Digital pedal = sto=3D ps have come a long way as well...I have both a 26 rank pipe organ and a = =3D 2 manual Allen organ (c. 1985) at my disposal in the chancel right now. = A=3D nd in these past sixteen or so years the familiar "buuuuzzzz" of a 16' = bo=3D mbarde or&nbsp;the "boooooooooo" of a 16' principal have made great = strid=3D es towards being a part of the "real pipe sound."</DIV> = <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=3D <DIV>Tyler W. Robertson</DIV> <DIV>Organist, First United Methodist = Chur=3D ch, Temple, TX</DIV> <DIV>Organ Performance Major, Baylor University, = Wac=3D o, TX</DIV></BODY></HTML><br clear=3D3Dall><hr>Get more from the Web. = FREE=3D MSN Explorer download : <a = href=3D3D'http://explorer.msn.com'>http://explo=3D rer.msn.com</a><br></p>   ------=3D_NextPart_001_0000_01C18940.E2733D80--  
(back) Subject: RE: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV From: <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:02:28 -0500   > I've heard only recordings of supposedly good acoustic areas where > electronics were used and the lower tones weren't quite up to snuff   So you were listening to a recording of a recording. How do you know where the snuff was lost? Are your speakers as good as the ones in the good acoustic areas? Was the recording you heard well engineered? I've heard plenty of recordings of real pipe organs where the lower tones weren't up to snuff, and I didn't blame the pipes.   Dick Meckstroth  
(back) Subject: RE: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:47:08 -0500   You're right. That's why I specified what I heard. To my knowledge I've = not ever heard "live" electronic bass in a church or concert hall. But I may have and just don't know I have in which case the sound "fooled" me. My point was, I am not a good judge of this from any point of view other than what I hear from my own organ or from recordings, and as you say, of recordings. However, even if my speakers are not top quality, what I have = to compare is the records of real organ pipe sound and the sound is = different, fuller, less "dead" (my word", more partials abound, much alive than the electronic sound. So even if my speakers a duds they offer me a different sound from an electronically produced 16' subbass compared to a 16' = subbass produced by a pipe. Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: support@opensystemsorgans.com [mailto:support@opensystemsorgans.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:02 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Bass "electronic" 16's -- was Cornet IV     > I've heard only recordings of supposedly good acoustic areas where > electronics were used and the lower tones weren't quite up to snuff   So you were listening to a recording of a recording. How do you know where the snuff was lost? Are your speakers as good as the ones in the good acoustic areas? Was the recording you heard well engineered? I've heard plenty of recordings of real pipe organs where the lower tones weren't up to snuff, and I didn't blame the pipes.   Dick Meckstroth   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: St. John the Divine From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:11:41 EST     --part1_10f.94afce6.295375cd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/19/01 10:36:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:     > Don't let BrEwSe near St. J. the D. he'll want to trackerize the whole = thing, > State Trumpet and all. :)   Now. now!! I only prefer trackers..... There are wonderful EPs out = there. Seems I had great fun on the 3/72 AS at Christ Church Cathedral - = Houston!   and then there was the nice 3/34 Austin in Baytown TX and even a really cute Moller 3/28 at Southside Baptist, Jacksonville and etc....   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_10f.94afce6.295375cd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/19/01 10:36:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Don't let BrEwSe = near St. J. the D. he'll want to trackerize the whole thing, <BR>State Trumpet and all. :) </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>Now. now!! &nbsp;&nbsp;I only prefer trackers..... &nbsp;&nbsp;There = are wonderful EPs out there. &nbsp;&nbsp;Seems I had great fun on the 3/72 = AS at Christ Church Cathedral - Houston! <BR> <BR>and then there was the nice 3/34 Austin in Baytown TX <BR>and even a really cute Moller 3/28 at Southside Baptist, Jacksonville <BR>and etc.... <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_10f.94afce6.295375cd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: St. John the Divine From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:33:59 EST   Hi Bruce   Well, we'll forgive you this time! You SEEM to be back on balance. :) I do get a kick out of teasing you. :)   Have a rip roaring, howlingly great Christmas, and New Year!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: St. John the Divine From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 12:49:26 EST     --part1_de.1f79c1e9.29537ea6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/20/01 4:07:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes:     > To say nothing of the problem of making 600 foot long trackers !!!!! > They could be run on a track about forty feet above the heads of the congregation and at Christmas little angels could be attached to them so = that they would "dance" during the organ playing!! ;-) .... oh yeah, and = you could dus the tops of the trackers with "sparkles" so that there was = "fairy dust" sprinkled, as well. How festive!!! wooooooohooooooooooo     Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_de.1f79c1e9.29537ea6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/20/01 4:07:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, dougcampbell@juno.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">To say nothing of = the problem of making 600 foot long trackers !!!!! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">They could be run on a track about forty feet = above the heads of the congregation and at Christmas little angels could = be attached to them so that they would "dance" during the organ playing!! = &nbsp;&nbsp;;-) &nbsp;&nbsp;.... &nbsp;oh yeah, &nbsp;and you could dus = the tops of the trackers with "sparkles" so that there was "fairy dust" = sprinkled, as well. &nbsp;How festive!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;wooooooohooooooooooo <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_de.1f79c1e9.29537ea6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: St. John The Devine From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:00:29 EST   Cremona writes:   > They could be run on a track about forty feet above the heads of the congregation and at Christmas little angels could be attached to them so = that they would "dance" during the organ playing!! ;-) .... oh yeah, and = you could dus the tops of the trackers with "sparkles" so that there was = "fairy dust" sprinkled, as well. How festive!!! wooooooohooooooooooo <<   Bruce, did you forget to take your medicine today? :-)))   Best wishes, Jim Pitts  
(back) Subject: Re: St. John The Devine From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 13:05:29 EST   Hi Jim   Medicine? The Merlot works perfectly! Hic Hic! Bruce likes Merlot.   Ron  
(back) Subject: Telephone Dial Key Ordering and Useless Fun Tricks From: "Bob Richardson" <bob@peak.org> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:16:07 -0800 (PST)     The way I have always heard it, the reason that the original touch-tone phone pattern was "reversed" from that of an adding machine or calculator was because the phone co. was concerned that adept adding machine operators would dial too fast and make the system unreliable.   This makes some sense to me because:   Touch tone decoders (especially the original ones) require a minimum tone duration to recognize a tone. This is actually part of the DTMF ("Dual tone modulated frequency") specification. (I once had to write a computer program to generate touch tones.)   Original touch tone phones had the tone oscillators wired directly to the keys. It also took the oscillators a certain amount of time to reach their full amplitude (think of a spongy attack on an underwinded pipe). You could easily press a key very quickly and generate a tone too short or too incomplete to be recognized. Most modern phones use a chip that generates a tone of a minimum duration even if you only just briefly touch a key.   Thus the fear that people who were used to keying numbers quickly would frequently out-dial the DTMF system, leading to consumer complaints. By reversing the numbers, at least initially, it would "trip up" and slow down the faster people.   Now, to try and make this more on topic, here are some musical ruminations:   If you have an early touch tone phone, you can actually play individual notes rather than the two-note intervals normally heard. (A touch tone is really made from two notes out of 7 possible. Each COLUMN of keys has its own unique frequency, and each ROW has a unique frequency. When you press a key, the tone you hear is the combination for that row and column.)   On early phones, you can press TWO keys in a given column, and this will cancel the ROW oscillators - and you will hear only the COLUMN tone. Conversely, pressing two buttons in a given ROW will make you hear only the ROW tone. You can do a convincing rendition of "Happy Birthday" this way if you are careful. :-)   Does anyone know if someone has make a theatre organ trap to produce touch tones? You would need only 7 pipes with the proper tuning and some clever unification or playing style. :-)   (Okay, 8 pipes if you are a geek and want to use the seldom-seen touch tones of "A" "B" "C" and "D" in addition to the 12 tones of "0" through "9", "#" and "*".)   If you did this, you could actually dial the phone by holding the handset near the organ and playing the right notes!   If anyone really wants to know, I can probably dig up the correct frequencies in Hz.   Best wishes, Bob Richardson