PipeChat Digest #2602 - Wednesday, December 26, 2001
 
Re: Amplification
  by "Paul Austin" <paul-austin@ntlworld.com>
RE: Amplification
  by "Nance, Daryel" <DNance@svdp-edu.org>
Re: Amplification
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Amplification
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: water damage at St. John the Divine
  by "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
RE: Christmas Eve - Trinity, Stamford, CT
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Amplification From: "Paul Austin" <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 00:28:44 +0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C18E6D.712341C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear List,   I apologise, I should have given more information about the organ =3D instead of concentrating on the predicament!! It is an =3D Electro-pneumatic pipe organ with two manuals. It is a large two manual = =3D instrument with a nice range of stops including two very nicely voiced =3D reeds on the swell, namely a Horn 8' and an oboe 8'. The key action is = =3D purely electronic contact, with the stop action being pneumatic. It was = =3D originally built by Abbott and Smith of ( I think) Leeds - UK, but was =3D completely re-built by a small, but quality organ builder named Prested = =3D (Based in Durham) in the late 80's. I would love to see the organ moved = =3D into the nave area of the building but unfortunately the funds are not =3D available.   Paul. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: quilisma@socal.rr.com=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: 27 December 2001 04:11 Subject: Re: Amplification     You don't say what kind of ACTION the organ has ... if tracker, =3D there's not much to be done ... PERHAPS electrical key-contacts could be = =3D inserted underneath the keyboard(s) without disturbing the action ... =3D European trackers often have electrical consoles as well. Then you could = =3D have a modest nave organ in the west end so that the congregation would = =3D stay with the choir when they sing together ... something like=3D20 NAVE=3D20   8' Chimney Flute=3D20 4' Principal=3D20   or, depending on the size of the church, one or more of the following = =3D as well:=3D20   8' Open Diapason=3D20 2' Fifteenth=3D20 1 1/3 Mixture IV=3D20   It would be virtually IMPOSSIBLE to amplify ANY pipe organ and have it = =3D sound like anything. They tried that at Severance Hall in Cleveland, =3D Ohio, where the mighty Skinner was entombed behind a solid wall for many = =3D years. They tried miking it and playing it through speakers, but the =3D experiment was quickly abandoned.=3D20   Cheers,=3D20   Bud=3D20   I suppose because of the historic nature of the church it's not =3D possible to put a ceiling in the tower and close it off.=3D20   Paul Austin wrote:=3D20   Dear List, I am ( and have been for the past 11 years) Organist at =3D an average size parish church in the North East of England (web address = =3D below). The church has recently invested in a state of the art =3D amplification system, but unfortunately the organ wasn't amplified. In = =3D between the congregation and the organ / choir area we have the main =3D tower of the 1000 year old building. Most of the sound produced by the = =3D organ and the choir goes up the tower before it reaches the =3D congregation, which results in the choir singing at one speed and the =3D congregation at another, purely because they can't here me!. Throughout = =3D the Christmas services, this problem has been 'amplified' by the fact we = =3D have had huge congregations. I have brought this problem to the =3D attention of the PCC (Parochial Church Council) who have asked me to =3D look into what systems are available to amplify a pipe organ. Can =3D anybody point me in the right direction? Many thanks in advance. =3D Paul.paul-austin@ntlworld.com or paul_austin75@hotmail.com=3D20 http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C18E6D.712341C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Dear List,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I apologise, I should have given more information = =3D about the=3D20 organ instead of concentrating on the predicament!!&nbsp; It is an=3D20 Electro-pneumatic pipe organ with two manuals.&nbsp; It is a large two =3D manual=3D20 instrument with a nice range of stops including two very nicely voiced =3D reeds on=3D20 the swell, namely a Horn 8' and an oboe 8'.&nbsp; The key action is =3D purely=3D20 electronic contact, with the stop action being pneumatic.&nbsp; It = was=3D20 originally built by Abbott and Smith of ( I think) Leeds - UK, but = was=3D20 completely re-built by a small, but quality organ builder named Prested = =3D (Based=3D20 in Durham) in the late 80's.&nbsp; I would love to see the organ moved =3D into the=3D20 nave area of the building but unfortunately the funds are not=3D20 available.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Paul.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A href=3D3D"mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com"=3D20 title=3D3Dquilisma@socal.rr.com>quilisma@socal.rr.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org>PipeChat</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 27 December 2001 =3D 04:11</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =3D Amplification</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>You don't say what kind of ACTION the organ has ... if = =3D tracker,=3D20 there's not much to be done ... PERHAPS electrical key-contacts could = =3D be=3D20 inserted underneath the keyboard(s) without disturbing the action ... = =3D European=3D20 trackers often have electrical consoles as well. Then you could have a = =3D modest=3D20 nave organ in the west end so that the congregation would stay with =3D the choir=3D20 when they sing together ... something like=3D20 <P>NAVE=3D20 <P>8' Chimney Flute <BR>4' Principal=3D20 <P>or, depending on the size of the church, one or more of the =3D following as=3D20 well:=3D20 <P>8' Open Diapason <BR>2' Fifteenth <BR>1 1/3 Mixture IV=3D20 <P>It would be virtually IMPOSSIBLE to amplify ANY pipe organ and have = =3D it=3D20 sound like anything. They tried that at Severance Hall in Cleveland, =3D Ohio,=3D20 where the mighty Skinner was entombed behind a solid wall for many =3D years. They=3D20 tried miking it and playing it through speakers, but the experiment =3D was=3D20 quickly abandoned.=3D20 <P>Cheers,=3D20 <P>Bud=3D20 <P>I suppose because of the historic nature of the church it's not =3D possible to=3D20 put a ceiling in the tower and close it off.=3D20 <P>Paul Austin wrote:=3D20 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3D"CITE"> <STYLE></STYLE> <FONT size=3D3D-1>Dear List,</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=3D3D-1>I am ( and = =3D have been for=3D20 the past 11 years) Organist at an average size parish church in the = =3D North=3D20 East of England (web address below).&nbsp; The church has recently =3D invested=3D20 in a state of the art amplification system, but unfortunately the =3D organ=3D20 wasn't amplified.&nbsp; In between the congregation and the organ / = =3D choir=3D20 area we have the main tower of the 1000 year old building.&nbsp; =3D Most of the=3D20 sound produced by the organ and the choir goes up the tower before =3D it=3D20 reaches the congregation, which results in the choir singing at one = =3D speed=3D20 and the congregation at another, purely because they can't here =3D me!.&nbsp;=3D20 Throughout the Christmas services, this problem has been 'amplified' = =3D by the=3D20 fact we have had huge congregations.&nbsp; I have brought this =3D problem to=3D20 the attention of the PCC (Parochial Church Council) who have asked =3D me to=3D20 look into what systems are available to amplify a pipe organ.&nbsp; = =3D Can=3D20 anybody point me in the right direction?</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT =3D size=3D3D-1>Many=3D20 thanks in advance.</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=3D3D-1>Paul.</FONT><FONT =3D size=3D3D-1><A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com">paul-austin@ntlworld.com</A> or = =3D <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:paul_austin75@hotmail.com">paul_austin75@hotmail.com</A></=3D FONT>=3D20 <BR><FONT size=3D3D-1><A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk">http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk<= =3D /A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C18E6D.712341C0--    
(back) Subject: RE: Amplification From: "Nance, Daryel" <DNance@svdp-edu.org> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 18:37:38 -0600   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18E6E.AF4906F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Hi Paul, I'm not sure that I have the picture correct, but if I understand = correctly the tower acts as an acoustical tunnel of sorts. Sound eminating from the choir/organ (loft?) is received by the congregation and then the same = sound simultaneously also travels up the tower is reflected back to the congregation again ..later. If this is the case, you are going to have to fix the problem with the tower. From what I understand the sound arriving at the congregation is one item and the effect on the ambient sound = arriving from reflection in the tower is another. Before spending any serious = money, contact an acoustical consulting firm there in the U.K. that has worked in church acoustics, to see if the problem is fixable first, with keeping the current arrangement of choir, organ and congregation. I fear that the tower effect is a seperate problem. Its effect on the = sound arriving at the hearer is probably the problem and not just a problem of amplification. Peace and blessings, Daryel Daryel Nance, St.Vincent's, Houston mailto:dnance@svdp-edu.org; <mailto:dnance@svdp-edu.org;> www.dompaulbenoit.com; www.church-organist.com; www.daryeln.com   "...the only ones among you who will really be happy are those who sought and found how to serve." Albert Schweitzer   "There are more things in heaven and hell, Horatio, than are dreampt in your philosophy." Hamlet; Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford ;->   "Our task is to free ourselves from the delusion of separateness, to = embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature." Albert Einstein   -----Original Message----- From: Paul Austin [mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 1:41 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Amplification     Dear List, I am ( and have been for the past 11 years) Organist at an average size parish church in the North East of England (web address below). The = church has recently invested in a state of the art amplification system, but unfortunately the organ wasn't amplified. In between the congregation and the organ / choir area we have the main tower of the 1000 year old = building. Most of the sound produced by the organ and the choir goes up the tower before it reaches the congregation, which results in the choir singing at one speed and the congregation at another, purely because they can't here me!. Throughout the Christmas services, this problem has been 'amplified' by the fact we have had huge congregations. I have brought this problem = to the attention of the PCC (Parochial Church Council) who have asked me to look into what systems are available to amplify a pipe organ. Can anybody point me in the right direction? Many thanks in advance. Paul. paul-austin@ntlworld.com <mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com> or paul_austin75@hotmail.com <mailto:paul_austin75@hotmail.com> http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk <http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk>     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18E6E.AF4906F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D840353200-27122001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Hi Paul,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D840353200-27122001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D840353200-27122001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I'm not sure that I have the picture correct, but if I understand correctly = the tower acts as an acoustical tunnel of sorts.&nbsp; Sound eminating from = the choir/organ (loft?) is received by the congregation and then the same = sound simultaneously also&nbsp;travels up the tower is reflected back to the congregation again ..later.&nbsp; If this is the case, you are going to = have to fix the problem with the tower.&nbsp; From what I understand the sound = arriving at the congregation is one item and the effect on the ambient sound = arriving from reflection in the tower is another. Before spending any&nbsp;serious = money, contact an acoustical consulting firm there in the U.K. that has worked in =   church acoustics, to see if the problem is fixable first, with keeping the =   current arrangement of choir, organ and congregation.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D840353200-27122001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D840353200-27122001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>I fear that the tower effect is a seperate problem. Its effect on the sound = arriving at the hearer is probably the problem and not just a problem of amplification.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D840353200-27122001></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D840353200-27122001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Peace and blessings,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D840353200-27122001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Daryel</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Daryel Nance, St.Vincent's, = Houston</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A target=3D_blank href=3D"mailto:dnance@svdp-edu.org;">mailto:dnance@svdp-edu.org;</A>&nbsp; =   </FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>www.dompaulbenoit.com; www.church-organist.com;&nbsp; www.daryeln.com</FONT> </DIV> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"...the only ones among you who will really = be happy are those who sought and found how to serve."&nbsp; Albert = Schweitzer</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"There are more things in heaven and hell, = Horatio, </FONT><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>than are dreampt in your = philosophy."&nbsp; Hamlet;</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Edward de Vere, 17th Earl = of Oxford&nbsp;&nbsp; ;-&gt;</FONT> </P> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Our task is to free ourselves from the = delusion of separateness, to embrace all living creatures and the whole of = nature."&nbsp; Albert Einstein</FONT></P> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Paul Austin [mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December = 26, 2001 1:41 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Amplification<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dear List,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I am ( and have been for the past 11 years) Organist = at an average size parish church in the North East of England (web address below).&nbsp; The church has recently invested in a state of the art amplification system, but unfortunately the organ wasn't = amplified.&nbsp; In between the congregation and the organ / choir&nbsp;area we have the = main tower of the 1000 year old building.&nbsp; Most of the sound produced by = the organ and the choir goes up the tower before it reaches the = congregation, which results in the choir singing at one speed and the congregation at another, purely because they can't here me!.&nbsp; Throughout the = Christmas services, this problem has been 'amplified' by the fact we have had huge =   congregations.&nbsp; I have brought this problem to the attention of the = PCC (Parochial Church Council) who have asked me to look into what systems = are available to amplify a pipe organ.&nbsp; Can anybody point me in the = right direction?</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Many thanks in advance.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Paul.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2><A href=3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com">paul-austin@ntlworld.com</A> or = <A = href=3D"mailto:paul_austin75@hotmail.com">paul_austin75@hotmail.com</A><BR><A = href=3D"http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk">http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk</A= ></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18E6E.AF4906F0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Amplification From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:50:18 -0800     --------------D8B40954758A5D9F5885B6F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Properly scaled and voiced, you could probably get by with two stops somewhere to the west of the tower ... if the nave is long and narrow, you might want them about half-way down one side, rather than in the west end. You'd spend close to that much trying to amplify the pipe organ, and ultimately the enterprise would fail.   Then you'd simply draw the Chimney Flute for softer things when the congregation is singing, and the Chimney Flute and Principal for louder things. Having the Nave Organ affected by subs and supers would also give you more variety and volume.   A Nave Pedal really isn't needed, unless you have the money and space for a 16' extension of the Chimney Flute ... bass frequencies are more non-directional.   Cheers,   Bud   Paul Austin wrote:   > Dear List, I apologise, I should have given more information about > the organ instead of concentrating on the predicament!! It is an > Electro-pneumatic pipe organ with two manuals. It is a large two > manual instrument with a nice range of stops including two very nicely > voiced reeds on the swell, namely a Horn 8' and an oboe 8'. The key > action is purely electronic contact, with the stop action being > pneumatic. It was originally built by Abbott and Smith of ( I think) > Leeds - UK, but was completely re-built by a small, but quality organ > builder named Prested (Based in Durham) in the late 80's. I would > love to see the organ moved into the nave area of the building but > unfortunately the funds are not available. Paul. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: quilisma@socal.rr.com > To: PipeChat > Sent: 27 December 2001 04:11 > Subject: Re: Amplification > You don't say what kind of ACTION the organ has ... if > tracker, there's not much to be done ... PERHAPS electrical > key-contacts could be inserted underneath the keyboard(s) > without disturbing the action ... European trackers often > have electrical consoles as well. Then you could have a > modest nave organ in the west end so that the congregation > would stay with the choir when they sing together ... > something like > > NAVE > > 8' Chimney Flute > 4' Principal > > or, depending on the size of the church, one or more of the > following as well: > > 8' Open Diapason > 2' Fifteenth > 1 1/3 Mixture IV > > It would be virtually IMPOSSIBLE to amplify ANY pipe organ > and have it sound like anything. They tried that at > Severance Hall in Cleveland, Ohio, where the mighty Skinner > was entombed behind a solid wall for many years. They tried > miking it and playing it through speakers, but the > experiment was quickly abandoned. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > I suppose because of the historic nature of the church it's > not possible to put a ceiling in the tower and close it off. > > Paul Austin wrote: > > > Dear List, I am ( and have been for the past 11 years) > > Organist at an average size parish church in the North > > East of England (web address below). The church has > > recently invested in a state of the art amplification > > system, but unfortunately the organ wasn't amplified. In > > between the congregation and the organ / choir area we > > have the main tower of the 1000 year old building. Most > > of the sound produced by the organ and the choir goes up > > the tower before it reaches the congregation, which > > results in the choir singing at one speed and the > > congregation at another, purely because they can't here > > me!. Throughout the Christmas services, this problem has > > been 'amplified' by the fact we have had huge > > congregations. I have brought this problem to the > > attention of the PCC (Parochial Church Council) who have > > asked me to look into what systems are available to > > amplify a pipe organ. Can anybody point me in the right > > direction? Many thanks in advance. > > Paul.paul-austin@ntlworld.com or paul_austin75@hotmail.com > > > > http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk >   --------------D8B40954758A5D9F5885B6F3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> Properly scaled and voiced, you could probably get by with two stops = somewhere to the west of the tower ... if the nave is long and narrow, you might want them about half-way down one side, rather than in the west end. You'd spend close to that much trying to amplify the pipe organ, and ultimately the enterprise would fail. <p>Then you'd simply draw the Chimney Flute for softer things when the congregation is singing, and the Chimney Flute and Principal for louder things. Having the Nave Organ affected by subs and supers would also give you more variety and volume. <p>A Nave Pedal really isn't needed, unless you have the money and space for a 16' extension of the Chimney Flute ... bass frequencies are more non-directional. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>Paul Austin wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3DCITE>&nbsp;<font size=3D-1>Dear List,</font>&nbsp;<font = size=3D-1>I apologise, I should have given more information about the organ instead of concentrating on the predicament!!&nbsp; It is an Electro-pneumatic pipe organ with two manuals.&nbsp; It is a large two manual instrument with a nice range of stops including two very nicely voiced reeds on the swell, namely a Horn 8' and an oboe 8'.&nbsp; The key action is purely electronic contact, with the stop action being pneumatic.&nbsp; It was originally built by Abbott and Smith of ( I think) Leeds - UK, but was completely re-built by a small, but quality organ builder named Prested (Based in Durham) in the late 80's.&nbsp; I would love to see the organ moved into the nave area of the building but unfortunately the funds are not available.</font>&nbsp;<font size=3D-1>Paul.</font> <blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>   <div style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:quilisma@socal.rr.com" = title=3D"quilisma@socal.rr.com">quilisma@socal.rr.com</a></div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a = href=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org" = title=3D"pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</a></div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> 27 December 2001 04:11</div>   <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Amplification</div> &nbsp;You don't say what kind of ACTION the organ has ... if tracker, = there's not much to be done ... PERHAPS electrical key-contacts could be inserted underneath the keyboard(s) without disturbing the action ... European = trackers often have electrical consoles as well. Then you could have a modest nave organ in the west end so that the congregation would stay with the choir when they sing together ... something like <p>NAVE <p>8' Chimney Flute <br>4' Principal <p>or, depending on the size of the church, one or more of the following as well: <p>8' Open Diapason <br>2' Fifteenth <br>1 1/3 Mixture IV <p>It would be virtually IMPOSSIBLE to amplify ANY pipe organ and have it sound like anything. They tried that at Severance Hall in Cleveland, Ohio, where the mighty Skinner was entombed behind a solid wall for many years. They tried miking it and playing it through speakers, but the = experiment was quickly abandoned. <p>Cheers, <p>Bud <p>I suppose because of the historic nature of the church it's not = possible to put a ceiling in the tower and close it off. <p>Paul Austin wrote: <blockquote TYPE=3D"CITE"><style></style> <font size=3D-1>Dear List,</font> <font size=3D-1>I am ( and have been for the past 11 years) Organist at an average size parish church in the North East of England (web address below).&nbsp; The church has recently invested in a state of the art amplification = system, but unfortunately the organ wasn't amplified.&nbsp; In between the = congregation and the organ / choir area we have the main tower of the 1000 year old building.&nbsp; Most of the sound produced by the organ and the choir goes up the tower before it reaches the congregation, which results in the = choir singing at one speed and the congregation at another, purely because they can't here me!.&nbsp; Throughout the Christmas services, this problem has been 'amplified' by the fact we have had huge congregations.&nbsp; I have brought this problem to the attention of the PCC (Parochial Church = Council) who have asked me to look into what systems are available to amplify a pipe organ.&nbsp; Can anybody point me in the right direction?</font> = <font size=3D-1>Many thanks in advance.</font> <font size=3D-1>Paul.<a = href=3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com">paul-austin@ntlworld.com</a> or <a = href=3D"mailto:paul_austin75@hotmail.com">paul_austin75@hotmail.com</a></fo= nt> <br><font size=3D-1><a = href=3D"http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk">http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk</a= ></font></blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote>   </body> </html>   --------------D8B40954758A5D9F5885B6F3--    
(back) Subject: Re: Amplification From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:01:52 EST   Dear Mr. Austin: The amplification of pipe organs never approaches satisfactory = results. All one is actually doing is adding an attenuated, two-dimensional mix of regurgitated sound through speakers, and the effect is rather = unappetizing. The distilled narrow band of fake sound and the natural wash of true organ =   sound do not make for a happy coupling. It seems to me that the "state-of-the-art" amplification system has = upset what was previously a decent balance between the organ and choir. One can =   only be amazed that after TEN CENTURIES, a decision was made to "remedy" = the acoustic of this building. Your idea of moving the instrument to a more advantageous location is really on the mark, and should be investigated, along with some revoicing = of the pipework. If I read your previous communique correctly, the organ has =   been redisposed and revoiced within the last twenty years, so its = historicity is not in question as regards future treatment. Until that time, at a = lesser investment, it might be possible to hang reflective baffles above and = about the organ, in the manner of the experiments carried out by Ralph Downes at =   Royal Festival Hall and other venues.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: water damage at St. John the Divine From: "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 20:12:17 -0500   Fopr God's Sakre People!!! Give it up. Dorothy Papadakos, The Organist there SAID DAYS AGO there is no water damage to the organ.   You all have that much free time? Get a life,    
(back) Subject: RE: Christmas Eve - Trinity, Stamford, CT From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:20:08 -0600   Malcolm, I too love the Willan setting, and see nothing wrong with using it with Rite II, as long as the congregation is adequately warned in the bulletin to expect it. Of course, my congregation can't read bulletins, but hum along anyway. I am encouraging the priest for us to do Rite I during Advent next year, or maybe during Lent, just so we don't completely lose that glorious old language.   Ye heartily middle-aged Glenda Sutton (who compiled an 18-page long bulletin with cover for Christmas Eve service this year)