PipeChat Digest #2604 - Friday, December 28, 2001
 
Re: water damage at St. John the Divine
  by "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com>
Re: Driving thru Pennsylvania at midnight is a surreal experience
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
RE: The Postlude
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: water damage at St. John the Divine
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: The Postlude
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
RE: The Postlude
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Driving thru Pennsylvania at midnight is a surreal experience
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
RE: The Postlude
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
RE: The Postlude
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Question about EPB and VF recordings
  by "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com>
RE: Question about EPB and VF recordings
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: Most Wonderfullest Small Organ
  by <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw>
Epitaph
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: sound from in front of, sound from in back of
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Most Wonderfullest Small Organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: sound from in front of, sound from in back of
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Epitaph
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: sound from in front of, sound from in back of
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: water damage at St. John the Divine From: "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 03:16:55 -0800 (PST)   Yeah, Stan,   It ain't what you necesaralee mist, but wat is nescerelllee so. There no wata damage and dat's dat!   --- Stanley Lowkis <nstarfil@mediaone.net> wrote: > Yeah Mack, > but maybe there's somethin' that I mist. > Stan > > Mack wrote: > > > > Fopr God's Sakre People!!! Give it up. Dorothy > Papadakos, The Organist > > there SAID DAYS AGO there is no water damage to > the organ. > > > > You all have that much free time? Get a life, > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Driving thru Pennsylvania at midnight is a surreal experience From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:37:53 EST     --part1_196.5ddb03.295c7e31_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I guess youse older folks have some trouble differentiating between the = choo choo train chatline and the pipe organ chatline. Hehehe!   Stan Krider   --part1_196.5ddb03.295c7e31_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>I guess youse older = folks have some trouble differentiating between the choo choo train = chatline and the pipe organ chatline.&nbsp; Hehehe!<BR> <BR> Stan Krider</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" = LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_196.5ddb03.295c7e31_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: The Postlude From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:25:02 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18EE2.4575B6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Maybe someone ought to buy the copyright to it like that woman who bought the right to "Happy Birthday" (I hope hers wasn't) and then when anyone = uses it the holder of the copyright can collect a fee or sue the bstrds. Robert Colasacco   Alan,   I heard my grandfather tell that story many times and he swore it was HIS story. It's been around a long time. Lee   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18EE2.4575B6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4912.300" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D794252114-27122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Maybe someone ought to buy the copyright to it like that woman who bought the = right to "Happy Birthday" (I hope hers wasn't) and then when anyone uses it the = holder of the copyright can collect a fee or sue the bstrds.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D794252114-27122001><FONT face=3DGaramond = color=3D#800000>Robert Colasacco</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2><BR></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT = size=3D2>Alan, <BR><BR>I heard my grandfather tell that story many times and he swore it = was HIS story. &nbsp;It's been around a long time. &nbsp;Lee</FONT> </FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C18EE2.4575B6A0--  
(back) Subject: RE: water damage at St. John the Divine From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:26:08 -0500   Okay, stop doing that.         It ain't what you necesaralee mist, but wat is nescerelllee so. There no wata damage and dat's dat!      
(back) Subject: Re: The Postlude From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:19:15 EST   what story? i am hunting for the original message and can't find it.   In a message dated Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:24:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, = Chicaleee@aol.com writes:   > Alan, > > I heard my grandfather tell that story many times and he swore it was = HIS story. It's been around a long time. Lee      
(back) Subject: RE: The Postlude From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:35:01 -0500   same here. Robert  
(back) Subject: Re: Driving thru Pennsylvania at midnight is a surreal experience From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:07:59 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0408_01C18EC6.BE582100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Nah, it's just a general mellow relaxation after the pressures of =3D Christmas. Don't worry, it'll go away eventually!   Malcolm ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Wuxuzusu@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Driving thru Pennsylvania at midnight is a surreal =3D experience     I guess youse older folks have some trouble differentiating between =3D the choo choo train chatline and the pipe organ chatline. Hehehe!   Stan Krider       ------=3D_NextPart_000_0408_01C18EC6.BE582100 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2712.300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Nah, it's just a general mellow =3D relaxation after=3D20 the pressures of Christmas. Don't worry, it'll go away =3D eventually!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Malcolm</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DWuxuzusu@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Wuxuzusu@aol.com">Wuxuzusu@aol.com</A>=3D20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 27, = =3D 2001 8:37=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Driving thru =3D Pennsylvania at=3D20 midnight is a surreal experience</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>I guess = =3D youse older=3D20 folks have some trouble differentiating between the choo choo train =3D chatline=3D20 and the pipe organ chatline.&nbsp; Hehehe!<BR><BR>Stan =3D Krider</FONT><FONT=3D20 lang=3D3D0 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3D3DArial =3D color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"> <BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0408_01C18EC6.BE582100--      
(back) Subject: RE: The Postlude From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:31:26 EST   Robert, what are you the same as???   In a message dated Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:36:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, = "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> writes:   > same here. Robert > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: The Postlude From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:37:55 -0500   Oh, I did forget to leave part of the message, didn't I? Since my brain = has diminished in size, I forget stuff. Uh, I was referring to the fact that I too did not receive or possibly deleted the original message without = reading it so I have no idea what Postlude story everyone is referring to. But also to answer your question, I am the same as I was earlier except a little more hungry since lunchtime is approaching.   -----Original Message----- From: MFoxy9795@aol.com [mailto:MFoxy9795@aol.com] S     Robert, what are you the same as???      
(back) Subject: Question about EPB and VF recordings From: "Rodney West" <rodneywest72@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:36:50 -0800 (PST)   Hi,   Does anyone know the current status of re-issues of both Virgil's and Biggs' recordings?   Your help would be appreciated! Thanks, Rodney   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Question about EPB and VF recordings From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:51:39 -0500   All I know is that the Biggs recording I would want, Bach at Zwolle, had = the originals destroyed. I understand that most of Biggs' recordings were lost in a fire at Columbia records many years ago so the few that are left are all on the Flentrop at Harvard. Or at least I've not seen any Biggs stuff = on CD that isn't recorded on the Flentrop and you may remember or at least = know that he recorded on many European organs in the 50s and 60s, many european organs.   -----Original Message----- From: Rodney West [mailto:rodneywest72@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 12:37 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Question about EPB and VF recordings     Hi,   Does anyone know the current status of re-issues of both Virgil's and Biggs' recordings?   Your help would be appreciated! Thanks, Rodney   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Most Wonderfullest Small Organ From: <flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 02:11:50 +0800 (CST)       On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Dear Folks: > > Last communique before I board the plane, I think... > > I played a spectacular 6-rank unit instrument in a single swellbox, = built > by Kilgen in the 1920s.   Would you be good enough to post the stoplist (or approximation thereof) of this wonderful instrument? A sincere, inquiring mind would be most interested in knowing what the six ranks consisted of.   Best wishes to all.     Morton Belcher         It was not a stock model, but certainly such things > could have been built as stock models. It was amazingly versatile, and > provided all of the music (rather grandly) for a Presbyterian Church for =   > three quarters of a century. Church members, organists, music directors, = and > singers have come and gone during those 75 years, and nobody has = complained. > The reason for its success is that it is so exquisitely musical, the = tonal > finishing so careful, plus it ACTUALLY MOVES THE AIR IN THE ROOM. The > acoustic is small; this is not some cavernous, marble Catholic edifice. = It > remains as "present" and beautiful at the back of the 200-seat room as = it is > sitting right under the swell shutters (the organ is in a small case at = floor > level, off to the side). > Tonally, it is based upon a formula that works: the French Orgue de > Choeur. When I first sat down to it, I was even a bit miffed there were = two > strings, a cutting Gamba and a mild Ducliana, yet no Celeste. As I = played, > and understood the needs of that Church, I understood why the organ was > designed that way. > Anything electronic in that room sounds harsh, sterile, unnatural in = its > "bigness," inappropriate, and somewhat foolish. Yet going full tilt, = this > little Kilgen and rock the room. > The upshot? They finally saved up for a new grand piano, to replace = the > electronic piano they had purchased as a stopgap, but could not bear to > listen to. > > Sebastian Matthaus Gluck > New York City > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Epitaph From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:37:16 EST   Compliments of Blanchard's Colonial Tavern (Avon, MA) website = (www.blanchardstavern.com):   Under this stone lies Meredith Morgan Who blew the bellows of our church organ, Tobacco he hated, to smoke most unwilling Yet never so pleased as when pipes he was filling. No reflection on him for rude speech could be cast, Though he made our loud organ give many a blast. No puffer was he, though a capital blower, He could fill double G, and now lies a note lower.   Merry  
(back) Subject: Re: sound from in front of, sound from in back of From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:15:02 EST     --part1_118.a147f17.295cf766_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/26/01 10:04:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > For the most part, only the ANGLICANS jammed their former west gallery > organs into sacristies and broom closets in the chancel in the name of > liturgical "correctness" ... sound FAMILIAR??!! >   However, to me this is, with all due respect to proper organ placement and =   tracker action, the best place for good choral AND liturgical results. Give me a divided choir ANY DAY. An orchestra is quite a different =   animal from a relatively small choir organ case since the sound does not = have to get through all those instruments and "padded beings" playing them.   There is a precarious balance in proper height for the instrument when = placed behind--it shouldn't be too high or too low, but juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust =   right!!   Of course, the main factor is acoustics. If they are good, most of your problems will be moot.   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_118.a147f17.295cf766_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/26/01 10:04:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">For the most part, = only the ANGLICANS jammed their former west gallery <BR>organs into sacristies and broom closets in the chancel in the name of <BR>liturgical "correctness" ... sound FAMILIAR??!! <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>However, to me this is, with all due respect to proper organ placement = and tracker action, the best place for good choral AND liturgical results. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Give me a divided choir ANY DAY. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;An orchestra is quite a = different animal from a relatively small choir organ case since the sound = does not have to get through all those instruments and "padded beings" = playing them. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>There is a precarious balance in proper height for the instrument when = placed behind--it shouldn't be too high or too low, but = juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust right!! <BR> <BR>Of course, the main factor is acoustics. &nbsp;If they are good, most = of your problems will be moot. <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_118.a147f17.295cf766_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Most Wonderfullest Small Organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 17:25:42 EST     --part1_16f.6444079.295cf9e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 12/27/01 1:11:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw writes:     > Would you be good enough to post the stoplist (or approximation thereof) > of this wonderful instrument? A sincere, inquiring mind would be most > interested in knowing what the six ranks consisted of. > >   It continues to amaze me that on a chat list about pipe organs that it is like pulling hen's teeth to get a stoplist included when discussing an instrument.   Anyone else think this somewhat strange??   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_16f.6444079.295cf9e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>In a message dated = 12/27/01 1:11:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, flcg1018@mails.fju.edu.tw = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Would you be good = enough to post the stoplist (or approximation thereof) <BR>of this wonderful instrument? &nbsp;A sincere, inquiring mind would be = most <BR>interested in knowing what the six ranks consisted of. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>It continues to amaze me that on a chat list about pipe organs that it = is like pulling hen's teeth to get a stoplist included when discussing an = instrument. <BR> <BR>Anyone else think this somewhat strange?? <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_16f.6444079.295cf9e6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: sound from in front of, sound from in back of From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:42:49 EST   Hi Bruce and list   In deference to Bud's comments about the organ placement in Anglican Churches, and their ECUSA cousins, the organ needs a long axis placement. The parish churches, unless in the big cities, tend to be rather modest in size. Placing the organ low, defeats the purpose of getting the sound to carry. Add to that the tendency to pad, floors, pews, and large = liturgical hangings. Couple that to an organ of modest size to fit the building, you definitely have a muffled sound. Fairly low ceilings don't help the situation.   St. Thomas, NYC suffered for years with dead acoustics until that was addressed. This building is the exact opposite of the ordinary parish church. Big E.M. and Aeolian Skinner organs were hard pressed to make the correct impression. As you pointed out, acoustical aliveness is the most important ingredient in making music. The sound must sing not thump the congregation.   West end placement is very dependent on the building being alive. Most Anglican churches place the organ on the rood screen or in divided Chancel chambers high enough for the organ to carry throughout the room. Like the Eastern Churches, English Monastic Churches hid the main altar, and the organ though modest sat on the screen. York Minster is a very good example. When Felix Mendelsohn played his music in the massive St. Paul's Cathedral, London, the organ was rather small. Some had no pedal division at all or pull downs at best. St. Paul's at the time was around thirty ranks. The swell was more than likely short compass, and the full manuals were G compass not C.   It wasn't until after 1829 that larger organs with independant pedal pipes were introduced. The old, stick in the mud organists hated the extended pedal compass, and things really hit the fan when Fr. Willis dared to concave and radiate the 32 note pedalboards. One was actually quoted as saying, I refuse to play on one of those old gridirons. Interesting? I think so!   Ron Severin  
(back) Subject: Re: Epitaph From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:27:00 -0600   MFoxy9795@aol.com wrote:   > > He could fill double G, and now lies a note lower.   I guess it must have been a G-compass organ.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: sound from in front of, sound from in back of From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:37:37 EST     --part1_4b.15f208cf.295d5f21_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Well, of course, when all is said and done, the very best place for the = organ is on the rood screen!!! Yummy... How wondeful that would be. Divided =   choir AND the organ in a nice gallery on the axis.   The Presbyterian church where I first heard a pipe organ had the organ (a Pilcher 1908/27) behind the choir in a shallow gallery above the pulpit. = It was grand!!   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_4b.15f208cf.295d5f21_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Well, of course, when = all is said and done, the very best place for the organ is on the rood = screen!!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yummy... How wondeful that would be. = &nbsp;&nbsp;Divided choir AND the organ in a nice gallery on the axis. <BR> <BR>The Presbyterian church where I first heard a pipe organ had the organ = (a Pilcher 1908/27) behind the choir in a shallow gallery above the = pulpit. &nbsp;It was grand!! <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_4b.15f208cf.295d5f21_boundary--