PipeChat Digest #2607 - Saturday, December 29, 2001
 
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: A real mixture
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Liverpool Disposition
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:09:36 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0063_01C19083.36113F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I've spent two hours on this Liverpool machine. It feels great - and =3D sounds great, too. Still, I suppose the electronic supporters feel allen = =3D or rodgers or some other make could have done better :-) Ross -----Original Message----- From: Paul Austin <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Saturday, December 29, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral     Dear List,   I have just posted a message where I told breifly about my great =3D experience at Liverpool Cathedral, UK. For anybody that hasn't seen it = =3D before, here is the stop list. The largest organ in Britain!   Great Contra Violone 32 Double Open Diapason 16 Contra Tibia 16 Bourdon 16 Double Quint 10 2/3 Open Diapason no 1 8 Open Diapason no 2 8 Open Diapason no 3 8 Open Diapason no 4 8 Open Diapason no 5 8 Tibia 8 Doppel Fl=3DF6te 8 Stopped Diapason 8 Quint 5 1/3 Octave no 1 4 Octave no 2 4 Principal 4 Gemshorn 4 Fl=3DFBte Couverte 4 Tenth 3 1/5 Twelfth 2 2/3=3D20 Super Octave 2 Fifteenth 2 =3D20 Mixture (12.17.19.21.22) Fourniture (19.22.24.26.29) Double Trumpet 16 (harmonic trebles) Trompette Harmonique 8 Trumpet 8 (harmonic trebles) Clarion 4 (harmonic trebles) =3D20 Grand Chorus on Great   Swell (enclosed) Contra Geigen 16 5" Contra Salicional 16 5" Lieblich Bourdon 16 5" Open Diapason 8 5" Geigen 8 5" Tibia 8 7" Wald Fl=3DF6te 8 5" Lieblich Gedact 8 5" Echo Viola 8 5" Salicional 8 5" Vox Angelica 8 (down to FF) 5" Octave 4 5" Octave Geigen 4 5" Salicet 4 5" Lieblich Fl=3DF6te 4 5" Nazard 2 2/3 5" Fifteenth 2 5" Lieblich Piccolo 2 5" Seventeenth 1 3/5 5" Sesquialtera (10.12.17.19.22) 5" Mixture (15.19.22.26.29) 5" Contra Hautboy 16 7" Hautboy 8 7" Krummhorn 8 7" Waldhorn 16 (harmonic) Cornopean 8 (harmonic) Clarion 4 (harmonic) Double Trumpet 16 (harmonic) Trompette Harmonique 8 Trumpet 8 (harmonic trebles) Octave Trumpet 4 (harmonic trebles) =3D20 Tremulant 5" wind Tremulant 7" wind   Choir - Positive Gedact 8 Spitz principal 4 Nas=3DE2t 2 2/3 Block Flute 2 Terz 1 3/5 Spitzfl=3DF6te 1 =3D20 Cimbel (29.33.36)   Choir (enclosed) Contra Viola 16 Violin Diapason 8 Viola 8 Claribel Flute 8 Unda Maris 8 (down to FF) Octave Viola 4 Saube Fl=3DF6te 4 Octavin 2 =3D20 Dulciana Mixture (10.12.17.19.22) Bass Clarinet 16 Baryton 16 Corno di Bassetto 8 Cor Anglais 8 Vox Humana 8 =3D20 Trumpette 8 (harmonic) Clarion 4 (harmonic) =3D20 Tremulant   Solo (partially enclosed) Contra Hohl Fl=3DF6te 16 (unenclosed) Hohl Fl=3DF6te 8 (unenclosed) Octave Hohl Fl=3DF6te 4 (unenclosed) =3D20 Contra Viole 16 Viole d'Orchestre 8 Viole de Gambe 8 Violes C=3DE9l=3DE8stes 8 (down to FF) Fl=3DFBte Harmonique 8 Octave Viole 4 Concert Flute 4 (harmonic) Violette 2 Piccolo Harmonique 2 =3D20 Cornet des Violes (10.12.15) Cor Anglais 16 Orchestral Clarinet 8 Orchestral Oboe 8 Orchestral Bassoon 8 French Horn 8 Contra Tromba 16 Tromba Real 8 (harmonic) Tromba 8 (harmonic) Tromba Clarion 4 (harmonic) =3D20 Solo Trombas on Great Tremulant   Bombarde Grand Chorus =3D (subunison.unison.5.8.12.15.19.22.26.29) Contra Tuba 16 (harmonic) Tuba 8 (harmonic) Tuba Clarion 4 (harmonic) Tuba Magna 8 (harmonic, pressure 50")   Corona Trompette Militaire 8 (pressure 50") =3D20 Corona on Bombarde Corona on Choir   Pedal (partially enclosed) Resultant Bass 64 Double Open Bass 32 Double Open Diapason 32 Contra Violone 32 Open Bass 16 Tibia 16 Open Diapason 16 Contra Basso 16 Geigen 16 (enclosed) Violon 16 (enclosed) Dolce 16 Bourdon 16 Sub Bass 16 Octave 8 Principal 8 Violoncello 8 (enclosed) Violone 8 Stopped Flute 8 Open Flute 8 (enclosed) Bass Flute 8 Fifteenth 4 Gedact 4 Fl=3DFBte Triangulaire 4 (enclosed) Mixture (15.19.22) Fourniture (15.19.22.26.29) Fagotto 16 (enclosed) Octave Bassoon 8 (enclosed) Contra Trombone 32 (enclosed) Trombone 16 (enclosed) Ophicleide 16 Clarion 8 Contra Bombarde 32 =3D20 Bombarde 16 Bombarde 8 Bombarde 4   Couplers There are Octave, Sub-Octave and Unison-Off couplers on the Bombarde, = =3D Solo, Swell and Choir organs. The Corona organ has Octave and Sub-Octave = =3D couplers.=3D20 Bombarde to Choir Solo to Choir Swell to Choir Great to Choir   Bombarde to Great Solo to Great Swell to Great Choir to Great   Solo to Swell Great to Bombarde =3D20 Bombarde to Pedal Solo Tenor to Pedal Solo to Pedal Swell to Pedal Great to Pedal Choir to Pedal       paul-austin@ntlworld.com or paul_austin75@hotmail.com Billingham - UK http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0063_01C19083.36113F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I've spent two hours on this Liverpool machine. It = =3D feels great=3D20 - and sounds great, too. Still, I suppose the electronic supporters feel = =3D allen=3D20 or rodgers or some other make could have done better :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Ross</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><B>-----Original =3D Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=3D20 </B>Paul Austin &lt;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com">paul-austin@ntlworld.com</A>&gt;= =3D <BR><B>To:=3D20 </B><A href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> = =3D &lt;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>&gt;<BR><B= =3D >Date:=3D20 </B>Saturday, December 29, 2001 10:55 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Liverpool = =3D Anglican=3D20 Cathedral<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Dear List,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I have just posted a message where I told breifly = =3D about my=3D20 great experience at Liverpool Cathedral, UK.&nbsp; For anybody that =3D hasn't=3D20 seen it before, here is the stop list.&nbsp; The largest organ in=3D20 Britain!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2> <H3>Great</H3><PRE> Contra Violone 32 Double Open Diapason 16 Contra Tibia 16 Bourdon 16 Double Quint 10 2/3 Open Diapason no 1 8 Open Diapason no 2 8 Open Diapason no 3 8 Open Diapason no 4 8 Open Diapason no 5 8 Tibia 8 Doppel Fl=3DF6te 8 Stopped Diapason 8 Quint 5 1/3 Octave no 1 4 Octave no 2 4 Principal 4 Gemshorn 4 Fl=3DFBte Couverte 4 Tenth 3 1/5 Twelfth 2 2/3=3D20 Super Octave 2 Fifteenth 2 =3D20 Mixture (12.17.19.21.22) Fourniture (19.22.24.26.29) Double Trumpet 16 (harmonic trebles) Trompette Harmonique 8 Trumpet 8 (harmonic trebles) Clarion 4 (harmonic trebles) =3D20 Grand Chorus on Great </PRE> <H3>Swell (enclosed)</H3><PRE> Contra Geigen 16 = =3D 5" Contra Salicional 16 5" Lieblich Bourdon 16 5" Open Diapason 8 5" Geigen 8 5" Tibia 8 7" Wald Fl=3DF6te 8 5" Lieblich Gedact 8 5" Echo Viola 8 5" Salicional 8 5" Vox Angelica 8 (down to FF) 5" Octave 4 5" Octave Geigen 4 5" Salicet 4 5" Lieblich Fl=3DF6te 4 5" Nazard 2 2/3 5" Fifteenth 2 5" Lieblich Piccolo 2 5" Seventeenth 1 3/5 5" Sesquialtera (10.12.17.19.22) 5" Mixture (15.19.22.26.29) 5" Contra Hautboy 16 7" Hautboy 8 7" Krummhorn 8 7" Waldhorn 16 (harmonic) Cornopean 8 (harmonic) Clarion 4 (harmonic) Double Trumpet 16 (harmonic) Trompette Harmonique 8 Trumpet 8 (harmonic trebles) Octave Trumpet 4 (harmonic trebles) =3D20 Tremulant 5" wind Tremulant 7" wind </PRE> <H3>Choir - Positive</H3><PRE> Gedact 8 Spitz principal 4 Nas=3DE2t 2 2/3 Block Flute 2 Terz 1 3/5 Spitzfl=3DF6te 1 =3D20 Cimbel (29.33.36) </PRE> <H3>Choir (enclosed)</H3><PRE> Contra Viola 16 Violin Diapason 8 Viola 8 Claribel Flute 8 Unda Maris 8 (down to FF) Octave Viola 4 Saube Fl=3DF6te 4 Octavin 2 =3D20 Dulciana Mixture (10.12.17.19.22) Bass Clarinet 16 Baryton 16 Corno di Bassetto 8 Cor Anglais 8 Vox Humana 8 =3D20 Trumpette 8 (harmonic) Clarion 4 (harmonic) =3D20 Tremulant </PRE> <H3>Solo (partially enclosed)</H3><PRE> Contra Hohl Fl=3DF6te = =3D 16 (unenclosed) Hohl Fl=3DF6te 8 (unenclosed) Octave Hohl Fl=3DF6te 4 (unenclosed) =3D20 Contra Viole 16 Viole d'Orchestre 8 Viole de Gambe 8 Violes C=3DE9l=3DE8stes 8 (down to FF) Fl=3DFBte Harmonique 8 Octave Viole 4 Concert Flute 4 (harmonic) Violette 2 Piccolo Harmonique 2 =3D20 Cornet des Violes (10.12.15) Cor Anglais 16 Orchestral Clarinet 8 Orchestral Oboe 8 Orchestral Bassoon 8 French Horn 8 Contra Tromba 16 Tromba Real 8 (harmonic) Tromba 8 (harmonic) Tromba Clarion 4 (harmonic) =3D20 Solo Trombas on Great Tremulant </PRE> <H3>Bombarde</H3><PRE> Grand Chorus =3D (subunison.unison.5.8.12.15.19.22.26.29) Contra Tuba 16 (harmonic) Tuba 8 (harmonic) Tuba Clarion 4 (harmonic) Tuba Magna 8 (harmonic, pressure 50") </PRE> <H3>Corona</H3><PRE> Trompette Militaire 8 (pressure 50") =3D20 Corona on Bombarde Corona on Choir </PRE> <H3>Pedal (partially enclosed)</H3><PRE> Resultant Bass =3D 64 Double Open Bass 32 Double Open Diapason 32 Contra Violone 32 Open Bass 16 Tibia 16 Open Diapason 16 Contra Basso 16 Geigen 16 (enclosed) Violon 16 (enclosed) Dolce 16 Bourdon 16 Sub Bass 16 Octave 8 Principal 8 Violoncello 8 (enclosed) Violone 8 Stopped Flute 8 Open Flute 8 (enclosed) Bass Flute 8 Fifteenth 4 Gedact 4 Fl=3DFBte Triangulaire 4 (enclosed) Mixture (15.19.22) Fourniture (15.19.22.26.29) Fagotto 16 (enclosed) Octave Bassoon 8 (enclosed) Contra Trombone 32 (enclosed) Trombone 16 (enclosed) Ophicleide 16 Clarion 8 Contra Bombarde 32 =3D20 Bombarde 16 Bombarde 8 Bombarde 4 </PRE> <H3>Couplers</H3>There are Octave, Sub-Octave and Unison-Off couplers = =3D on the=3D20 Bombarde, Solo, Swell and Choir organs. The Corona organ has Octave =3D and=3D20 Sub-Octave couplers. <PRE> Bombarde to Choir Solo to Choir Swell to Choir Great to Choir   Bombarde to Great Solo to Great Swell to Great Choir to Great   Solo to Swell Great to Bombarde =3D20 Bombarde to Pedal Solo Tenor to Pedal Solo to Pedal Swell to Pedal Great to Pedal Choir to Pedal </PRE> <P>&nbsp;</P></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com">paul-austin@ntlworld.com</A> = =3D or <A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:paul_austin75@hotmail.com">paul_austin75@hotmail.com</A><B= =3D R>Billingham=3D20 - UK<BR><A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk">http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk<= =3D /A></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0063_01C19083.36113F20--      
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:09:55 EST     --part1_73.185d70ad.295e8e03_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   What a wonderful stoplist. I do find it sort of humorous that the = Positiv is such a piddly little division (barely qualifies!!), but there were probably space, knob and financial considerations. It would be = interesting to hear it as a foil to all those goodies on the Great!! Maybe they = should change the name to Portative!! ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_73.185d70ad.295e8e03_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>What a wonderful = stoplist. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I do find it sort of humorous that the Positiv = is such a piddly little division (barely qualifies!!), but there were = probably space, knob and financial considerations. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It = would be interesting to hear it as a foil to all those goodies on the = Great!! &nbsp;&nbsp;Maybe they should change the name to Portative!! = &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_73.185d70ad.295e8e03_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A real mixture From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:24:39 EST   There are some pipe organs that are so poorly tonally finished, that it = DOES sound as if each note is from a different stop...  
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Disposition From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:42:11 EST   I don't remember when the "toy positive" was added to the Liverpool organ, =   but it smacks of so many "American Classic" instruments from the 1930s through 1950s, in which the Positiv was little more than a tiny Brustwerk stuck into a flower-box. Even in the 1980s, there were builders building = such divisions with NO stops of the principal family, merely a collection of wide-scaled, narrow-mouthed flutes, topped by a harmonically lopsided, too-high-pitched three-rank zinger.   If one really takes a look at the organs of Bach's era and circle, = secondary manual divisions were very often built upon an 8' Principal, with = sometimes as many as three 8' flue stops, as well as16' reeds, and 8' Trompeten. = New archaeological evidence, from the examination of toeboard holes and countersinking, as well as remanants of older rackboards, suggest that = many mixtures were of MUCH lower pitch than we assumed, and tierces were common = in the Plenum.   You will not find a Rohrschalmei at ANY pitch in Baroque instruments of = the continental north. You will find more 8' strings and more harmonic flutes =   than you will find Koppelflotes or Rohrnasats!!! It is amazing how the = second half of the last century invented its own version of what they thought the =   Baroque organ might be, when the true examples were sitting there all = along, available for study.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City