PipeChat Digest #2609 - Saturday, December 29, 2001
 
Liverpool etc.
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral, Allen and Rodgers
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Packer Chapel
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
A pleasant Saturday
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral
  by "Paul Austin" <paul-austin@ntlworld.com>
ALL Please Read
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Liverpool Cathedral-UK
  by "Paul Austin" <paul-austin@ntlworld.com>
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: A pleasant Saturday
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Packer Chapel
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
 

(back) Subject: Liverpool etc. From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:43:22 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0032_01C19127.2F2524C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Russ, You'll notice my posting was written after Christmas and before New =3D Year's Day? Is there not a convention that this is the silly season, =3D when any kind of statement must never be taken seriously? That's so on =3D two other Lists I'm a member of: I raised something serious and was told = =3D it had to wait till 5 January.=3D20 Your comparison of costs of pipes vs electronics, e.g. a handful of =3D pipes on one manual or a huge electronic is not exactly a fair =3D comparison, and there are other choices as well. For example, there are = =3D 2nd-hand organs all over the world that can be bought very cheaply. I've = =3D paid virtually nothing for the lots of ranks I have for my own home =3D organ - free, or about $50 a rank usually.=3D20 Most churches I know that don't have a pipe organ also don't have space = =3D for the number of speakers that I'm told are needed to make an =3D electronic instrument successful.=3D20 In church this morning, for example (it's now 11:05am Sunday morning), =3D the organist told me that the three large speaker cabinets need to have = =3D at least three more added, with a huge sub-woofer cabinet for the basses = =3D alone. And yet there are usually only about 50 to 75 folk at a service. = =3D Ridiculous. The church just don't need a big sound and the organist =3D would be wrong to play music demanding piles and piles of stops, pipe or = =3D electronic, as it would be totally out-of-keeping, in exactly the same =3D way as you would not want a 100-member symphony orchestra in a =3D restaurant when a piano, cimbalom and fiddle would sound much better and = =3D be in scale. Changing tack, I wonder why no one has made plastic flutes and mutations = =3D that could be churned out for virtually nothing? When I hear the quality = =3D of many recorders (i.e. fipple flutes) these days, I am sure flutes and = =3D mutations could be made of plastic. Sure, it'd be expensive to set up, =3D but then heaps of ranks could be churned out, perfectly voiced, for a =3D few dollars only. Does anyone know if this has been tried? You and I agree 100% of course - to even think of building anything to =3D match the Liverpool sound is farcical - the instrument is right for that = =3D building and comparisons cannot be made. It amused me, for example, to =3D hear folks on this List say the Positive is too small. Who needs it with = =3D a Great and Swell like those ones, to name just two divisions. You don't = =3D go to Liverpool to hear Bach trios or preludes and fugues played on a =3D vertical stereo werkprinzip concept, but rather to indulge yourself in =3D sheer majesty of sound in that amazing building. I'm sure you agree with = =3D me on this.=3D20 Same in St Paul's London. You can't criticise the design, or compare the = =3D result with any other organ, because it has grown to fit a unique space. = =3D When I was there (with just 30 others) for a Thomas Trotter recital, the = =3D sheer devastating effect really got to me in all the right ways. At the = =3D end of a major Liszt work, Trotter coupled all the dome & chancel =3D divisons, and then added the west-end division as well, and finally had = =3D all 4 32fts going with every loud reed and chorus mixture on the organ, = =3D including the Trompette Militaire and big Tubas. Unbelievable? You bet. = =3D It may not have been what some purists might call "music", but the =3D emotional impact is mindblowing. We heard the organ every which way as =3D we were encouraged, by Trotter in a welcome beforehand, to roam around =3D the building while he played.   More anon, I'm sure. Regards, Ross   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0032_01C19127.2F2524C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Russ,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>You'll notice my posting was written after Christmas = =3D and=3D20 before New Year's Day? Is there not a convention that this is the silly = =3D season,=3D20 when any kind of statement must never be taken seriously? That's so on =3D two other=3D20 Lists I'm a member of: I raised something serious and was told it had to = =3D wait=3D20 till 5 January. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Your comparison of costs of pipes vs electronics, = =3D e.g. a=3D20 handful of pipes on one manual or a huge electronic is not exactly a =3D fair=3D20 comparison, and there are other choices as well. For example, there are = =3D 2nd-hand=3D20 organs all over the world that can be bought very cheaply. I've paid =3D virtually=3D20 nothing for the lots of ranks I have for my own home organ - free, or =3D about $50=3D20 a rank usually. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Most churches I know that don't have a pipe organ = =3D also don't=3D20 have space for the number of speakers that I'm told are needed to make =3D an=3D20 electronic instrument successful. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>In church this morning, for example (it's now =3D 11:05am Sunday=3D20 morning), the organist told me that the three large speaker cabinets =3D need to=3D20 have at least three more added, with a huge sub-woofer cabinet for the =3D basses=3D20 alone. And yet there are usually only about 50 to 75 folk at a = service.=3D20 Ridiculous. The church just don't need a big sound and the organist =3D would be=3D20 wrong to play music demanding piles and piles of stops, pipe or =3D electronic, as=3D20 it would be totally out-of-keeping, in exactly the same way as you would = =3D not=3D20 want a 100-member symphony orchestra in a restaurant when a piano, =3D cimbalom and=3D20 fiddle would sound much better and be in scale.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Changing tack, I wonder why no one has made plastic = =3D flutes and=3D20 mutations that could be churned out for virtually nothing? When I hear =3D the=3D20 quality of many recorders (i.e. fipple flutes) these days, I am sure =3D flutes and=3D20 mutations could be made of plastic. Sure, it'd be expensive to set up, =3D but then=3D20 heaps of ranks could be churned out, perfectly voiced, for a few dollars = =3D only.=3D20 Does anyone know if this has been tried?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>You and I agree 100% of course - to even think of = =3D building=3D20 anything to match the Liverpool sound is farcical - the instrument is =3D right for=3D20 that building and comparisons cannot be made. It amused me, for example, = =3D to hear=3D20 folks on this List say the Positive is too small. Who needs it with a =3D Great and=3D20 Swell like those ones, to name just two divisions. You don't go to =3D Liverpool to=3D20 hear Bach trios or preludes and fugues played on a vertical stereo=3D20 werkprinzip&nbsp;concept, but rather to indulge yourself in sheer =3D majesty of=3D20 sound in that amazing building. I'm sure you agree with me on this.=3D20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Same in St Paul's London. You can't criticise the = =3D design, or=3D20 compare the result with any other organ, because it has grown to fit a =3D unique=3D20 space. When I was there (with just 30 others) for a Thomas Trotter =3D recital, the=3D20 sheer devastating effect really got to me in all the right ways. At the = =3D end of a=3D20 major Liszt work, Trotter coupled all the dome &amp; chancel divisons, =3D and then=3D20 added the west-end division as well, and finally had all 4 32fts going =3D with=3D20 every loud reed and chorus mixture on the organ, including the Trompette = =3D   Militaire and big Tubas. Unbelievable? You bet. It may not have been =3D what some=3D20 purists might call "music", but the emotional impact is mindblowing. We = =3D heard=3D20 the organ every which way as we were encouraged, by Trotter in a welcome = =3D   beforehand, to roam around the building while he played.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>More anon, I'm sure.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Ross</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0032_01C19127.2F2524C0--      
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:26:25 -0500   > Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: > Still, I suppose the electronic supporters feel allen or rodgers or some other make could have done better :-)   Interesting statement. Better than what ? a real pipe organ !!!!!!! Are we moving into an era where we are going to believe that digital reproductions of real organ pipes sound better than the real organ pipes they are attempting to duplicate.   Antoni Scott  
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral, Allen and Rodgers From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:36:23 -0500   Dear Bud, Well I must have had a senior moment as I forgot to mention that = Packer Chapel is on the campus of Lehigh University, Bethlehem, Pa. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral, Allen and Rodgers     > Gentlemen, retire to your respective corners and take a Chill Pill > (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Packer Chapel From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 17:59:17 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C19092.8C4C7350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   To Paul Valtos: Forgive my ignorance, but where is Packer Chapel? Is it the edifice in the Bethlehem/Allentown area? 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</span>Is it the edifice =3D in the Bethlehem/Allentown area?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>= =3D     <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Glenda =3D Sutton<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'><span =3D style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C19092.8C4C7350--      
(back) Subject: A pleasant Saturday From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:08:01 -0600   I had a pleasant afternoon today, and met another list member. Jon Bertschinger stopped by on his way through to Plant City downstate. He met me at the church in order to see it and the organ, and had some nice things to say about both. We also discussed future needs and possibilities. It was a very pleasant hour or two, and I very much enjoyed having another face to match with a name.   Jon felt so sorry for my culturally deprived state that he brought me four (yes, four!) bottles of Hungarian red wine and some great-looking cheese. He left here heading toward the whitest beaches in the world on the scenic route to the Tampa area.   If the carillonneur(/organist) at Bok Tower is on the list and reading this, would you reply privately? Jon was requesting your phone number in case he gets a chance to visit on this trip.   Happy Christmas 1 and New Year to all,   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral From: "Paul Austin" <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:16:29 +0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C190C7.3A80DD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral But whether Liverpool Cathedral's organ could be surpassed by a =3D monster Allen/Rodgers (presumably, to equal the replacement cost, an =3D 8-manual, 932 stop behemoth with 100,000 watts of power through 840 =3D speaker cabinets) - well, Ross, that's just silly!   Here here!!   Paul.       ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C190C7.3A80DD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral</TITLE> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = =3D 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DHelvetica>But whether Liverpool Cathedral&#8217;s = =3D organ could be=3D20 surpassed by a monster Allen/Rodgers (presumably, to equal the =3D replacement=3D20 cost, an 8-manual, 932 stop behemoth with 100,000 watts of power =3D through 840=3D20 speaker cabinets) - well, Ross, that&#8217;s just silly!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DHelvetica></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DHelvetica>Here here!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DHelvetica></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT =3D face=3D3DHelvetica>Paul.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0005_01C190C7.3A80DD60--    
(back) Subject: ALL Please Read From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 18:31:35 -0600   Folks   We are running into LOTS of NON Plain Text messages appearing here on the list. There was even a note from one of the list members today about this.   PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, for the sake of your fellow list members, send your mail in PLAIN TEXT - no formatting, no colors, nothing but the text.   Sorry to intrude about this again but I guess I realized I needed to do another reminder.   Happy New Year to Everyone.   David   BTW, if any list members are going to be in New Orleans for the OHS gathering please look me up - I will be there. -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Liverpool Cathedral-UK From: "Paul Austin" <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:24:29 +0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C190C8.588A4480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Dear all,   It would appear that many of you did not get the stoplist that I sent =3D because it apparently was sent as an attachment. Here is the URL to go = =3D to for the stoplist.   http://www.liv.ac.uk/~spmr02/organ/stoplist.html   Hope this helps!   Paul. paul-austin@ntlworld.com or paul_austin75@hotmail.com Billingham - UK http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C190C8.588A4480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Dear all,</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>It would appear that many of you did not get the =3D stoplist that=3D20 I sent because it apparently was sent as an attachment.&nbsp; Here is =3D the URL to=3D20 go to for the stoplist.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.liv.ac.uk/~spmr02/organ/stoplist.html">http://www.liv.= =3D ac.uk/~spmr02/organ/stoplist.html</A></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Hope this helps!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Paul.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com">paul-austin@ntlworld.com</A> or = =3D <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:paul_austin75@hotmail.com">paul_austin75@hotmail.com</A><B= =3D R>Billingham=3D20 - UK<BR><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk">http://www.stmarysnorton.org.uk<= =3D /A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0014_01C190C8.588A4480--    
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 19:40:39 -0500     Paul Austin saith >But whether Liverpool Cathedral=92s organ could be surpassed by a monste= r Allen/Rodgers >(presumably, to equal the replacement cost, an 8-manual, 932 stop behemo= th with 100,000 watts >of power through 840 speaker cabinets) - well, Ross, that=92s just sill= y! =20 Here here!! =20 Paul.   I believe the expression is "Hear! Hear!", referring to listening rather = than location.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: Re: A pleasant Saturday From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:45:57 -0800   The whitest beaches in the world, Glenda. Ah! Those are in West Australia!!! The coral sands of Exmouth and the Ningaloo Reef! And yes! Happy New Year! I feel quite cheerful after accompanying "O Come all ye faithful", for a large congregation in a Catholic Church with an excellent acoustic on a 2 manual Johannus!! Sounded great, and it didn't have 480 speaker boxes! Bob Elms.   Glenda wrote: > > Jon felt so sorry for my culturally deprived state that he brought me > four (yes, four!) bottles of Hungarian red wine and some great-looking > cheese. He left here heading toward the whitest beaches in the world on > the scenic route to the Tampa area. > > Happy Christmas 1 and New Year to all, > > Glenda Sutton > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Packer Chapel From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:39:37 -0600     --------------49A8FB4A583E0F2C90353007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Packer Chapel is the chapel of Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pa. The chapel is a memorial to the founder of the University, Asa Packer, the President of the Lehigh Valley Railroad. It is unusual in that notwithstanding that the University is nondenominational, its chapel is officially an Episcopal Church. To complicate matters further, the chaplain does not have to be an Episcopal Priest, but is nevertheless entitled to voice and vote at the Diocesan Convention. A canon lawyer's paradise ...   John Speller (whose wife used to be a religion professor at Lehigh before she was ordained)   Glenda wrote:   > To Paul Valtos: > > Forgive my ignorance, but where is Packer > Chapel?Is it the edifice in the > Bethlehem/Allentown area? > >   --------------49A8FB4A583E0F2C90353007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML> <BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#FFFFFF" LINK=3D"#0000FF" VLINK=3D"#0000FF" = lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"tab-interval:.5in"> Packer Chapel is the chapel of Lehigh University in Bethlehem, Pa.&nbsp; The chapel is a memorial to the founder of the University, Asa Packer, the President of the Lehigh Valley Railroad.&nbsp; It is unusual in that notwithstanding that the University is nondenominational, its chapel is officially an Episcopal Church.&nbsp;&nbsp; To complicate matters further, the chaplain does not have to be an Episcopal Priest, but is nevertheless entitled to voice and vote at the Diocesan Convention.&nbsp; A canon = lawyer's paradise ... <P>John Speller (whose wife used to be a religion professor at Lehigh = before she was ordained) <P>Glenda wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE><LINK rel=3DFile-List = href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C19092.888495E0"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:SpellingState>Clean</w:SpellingState> <w:GrammarState>Clean</w:GrammarState> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><STYLE> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline; text-underline:single;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-ansi-font-size:12.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Arial; mso-ascii-font-family:Arial; mso-hansi-font-family:Arial; mso-bidi-font-family:Arial; color:blue; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; text-decoration:none; text-underline:none; text-decoration:none; text-line-through:none;} span.SpellE {mso-style-name:""; mso-spl-e:yes;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} </style> <![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <DIV class=3DSection1> <DIV class=3D"MsoNormal"><SPAN style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><FONT = COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D+0>To Paul&nbsp;<SPAN class=3DSpellE>Valtos</SPAN>:</FONT></FONT></FONT><SPAN style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'></SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>   <DIV class=3D"MsoNormal"><SPAN style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>     <P class=3D"MsoNormal"><SPAN style=3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><FONT FACE=3D"Arial"><FONT = COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><FONT SIZE=3D+0>Forgive my ignorance, but where is Packer Chapel?<SPAN = style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'></SPAN>Is it the edifice in the Bethlehem/Allentown = area?</FONT></FONT></FONT><o:p></o:p></SPAN> <BR>&nbsp;</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE>   </BODY> </HTML>   --------------49A8FB4A583E0F2C90353007--