PipeChat Digest #2610 - Sunday, December 30, 2001
 
Re: Packer Chapel
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Packer Chapel
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Packer Chapel
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
Re: Packer Chapel
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: Liverpool Shocking Facts
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Used Pipe Organs
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Packer Chapel From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:38:43 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C190B1.3036E680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Re: Liverpool Anglican CathedralDear Glenda, I sent an e mail to Bud on the Beach telling him that in my senior = =3D moment I forgot to tell everyone that Packer chapel is located on the =3D campus of Lehigh University.mea culpa. = =3D Paul ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Glenda=3D20 To: 'PipeChat'=3D20 Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 6:59 PM Subject: Packer Chapel     To Paul Valtos: =3D20   =3D20   Forgive my ignorance, but where is Packer Chapel? Is it the edifice =3D in the Bethlehem/Allentown area?   =3D20   Thanks,   =3D20   Glenda Sutton   =3D20   =3D20   =3D20     ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C190B1.3036E680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v =3D3D=3D20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =3D3D=3D20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D3D=3D20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Liverpool =3D Anglican Cathedral</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3DWord.Document name=3D3DProgId> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <META content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10" name=3D3DOriginator><LINK=3D20 href=3D3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C19092.888495E0" rel=3D3DFile-List><!--[if = gte =3D mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:SpellingState>Clean</w:SpellingState> <w:GrammarState>Clean</w:GrammarState> <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind> <w:EnvelopeVis/> <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; 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I sent an e = =3D mail to Bud on=3D20 the Beach telling him that in my senior moment I forgot to tell everyone = =3D that=3D20 Packer chapel is located on the campus of Lehigh University.mea=3D20 culpa.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= =3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= =3D bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= =3D sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= =3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 Paul</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dgksjd85@access.aic-fl.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com">Glenda</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">'PipeChat'</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 29, = =3D 2001 6:59=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Packer Chapel</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=3D3DSection1> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3Dblue = size=3D3D3><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To Paul =3D <SPAN=3D20 class=3D3DSpellE>Valtos</SPAN>:<SPAN style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: = yes">&nbsp;=3D20 </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3Dblue = size=3D3D3><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =3D Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3Dblue = size=3D3D3><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Forgive my = =3D ignorance,=3D20 but where is Packer Chapel?<SPAN style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; = =3D </SPAN>Is it=3D20 the edifice in the Bethlehem/Allentown =3D area?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3Dblue = size=3D3D3><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =3D Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3Dblue = size=3D3D3><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =3D Arial">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3Dblue = size=3D3D3><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =3D Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3Dblue = size=3D3D3><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Glenda=3D20 Sutton<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3Dblue = size=3D3D3><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =3D Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D3Dblue = size=3D3D3><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =3D Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT = face=3D3D"Times =3D New Roman"=3D20 size=3D3D3><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN=3D20 style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: =3D yes">&nbsp;</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>= =3D </HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_001C_01C190B1.3036E680--    
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:14:32 +1300   Absolutely not, that was my point! I loathe the sound of electronic instruments, as this List has learned in the very few weeks I've been on = it. Regards, Ross -----Original Message----- From: Antoni Scott <ascott@epix.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral     >> Ross & Lynda Wards wrote: >> >Still, I suppose the electronic supporters feel allen or rodgers or some >other make could have done better :-) > >Interesting statement. Better than what ? a real pipe organ !!!!!!! Are >we moving into an era where we are going to believe that digital >reproductions of real organ pipes sound better than the real organ pipes >they are attempting to duplicate. > >Antoni Scott > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: RE: Packer Chapel From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:57:00 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0001_01C190AB.5FBF3B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Sorry about the question - I just wanted to make sure. It seemed to me that Packer was credited with several donations to churches, and either directly or incidentally to organs, in that area. It seems that on my first visit to Pennsylvania I visited the small town of Ma Chunck (I have no idea how this is spelled, because I never saw the name of the town in written form). However, Packer's home was located nearby and a St. Mark's Episcopal Church was built into the mountain. I believe the guide at the church credited Packer with the money for the church and perhaps the organ. I had forgotten all about that place until Paul said the words "Packer Chapel", which brought to mind both the Lehigh University chapel and the church in the town which changed its name to Jim Thorpe. Thanks to all who answered. 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I = =3D just wanted to make sure.<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>It = =3D seemed to me that Packer was credited with several donations to <span =3D class=3D3DGramE>churches,</span> and either directly or incidentally to organs, in that area.<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>It seems that on my first visit = =3D to </span></font><st1:State><st1:place><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Pennsylvania</span></font></st1:pl= =3D ace></st1:State><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span = style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'> =3D I visited the small town of </span></font><st1:City><st1:place><font color=3D3Dblue =3D face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Ma <span =3D class=3D3DSpellE>Chunck</span></span></font></st1:place></st1:City><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span = style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'> =3D (I have no idea how this is spelled, because I never saw the name of the town in =3D written form).<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>However, =3D Packer&#8217;s home was located nearby and a St. Mark&#8217;s Episcopal Church was built =3D into the mountain. <span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp;</span>I believe the = =3D guide at the church credited Packer with the money for the church and perhaps the organ.<span style=3D3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I had forgotten all = =3D about that place until Paul said the words &#8220;Packer Chapel&#8221;, which = =3D brought to mind both the </span></font><st1:place><st1:PlaceName><font =3D color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Lehigh</span></font></st1:PlaceNam= =3D e><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span = style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'> =3D </span></font><st1:PlaceType><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'>University</span></font></st1:Plac= =3D eType></st1:place><font color=3D3Dblue face=3D3DArial><span = style=3D3D'font-family:Arial;color:blue'> =3D chapel and the church in the town which changed its name to Jim =3D Thorpe.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Thanks to all who =3D answered.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Glenda =3D Sutton<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D3 color=3D3Dblue = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <blockquote style=3D3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   </blockquote>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0001_01C190AB.5FBF3B60--      
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:21:26 +1300   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002D_01C1914E.0764AEC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Re: Liverpool Anglican CathedralI couldn't even begin to imagine =3D something electronic in Liverpool, whatever its size or type - that was = =3D my point. Perhaps you folks in the USA don't understand New Zealanders' = =3D dry ironic humour yet. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) Ross -----Original Message----- From: Paul Austin <paul-austin@ntlworld.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral       But whether Liverpool Cathedral=3D92s organ could be surpassed by a = =3D monster Allen/Rodgers (presumably, to equal the replacement cost, an =3D 8-manual, 932 stop behemoth with 100,000 watts of power through 840 =3D speaker cabinets) - well, Ross, that=3D92s just silly!   Here here!!   Paul.       ------=3D_NextPart_000_002D_01C1914E.0764AEC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dwindows-1252"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I couldn't even begin to imagine something =3D electronic in=3D20 Liverpool, whatever its size or type - that was my point. Perhaps you =3D folks in=3D20 the USA don't understand New Zealanders' dry ironic humour =3D yet.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>:-)&nbsp;&nbsp; :-)&nbsp;&nbsp; :-)&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 :-)&nbsp;&nbsp; :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Ross</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><B>-----Original =3D Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=3D20 </B>Paul Austin &lt;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:paul-austin@ntlworld.com">paul-austin@ntlworld.com</A>&gt;= =3D <BR><B>To:=3D20 </B>PipeChat &lt;<A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A>&gt;<BR><B= =3D >Date:=3D20 </B>Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:26 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: Liverpool = =3D   Anglican Cathedral<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DHelvetica>But whether Liverpool Cathedral=3D92s = =3D organ could be=3D20 surpassed by a monster Allen/Rodgers (presumably, to equal the =3D replacement=3D20 cost, an 8-manual, 932 stop behemoth with 100,000 watts of power =3D through 840=3D20 speaker cabinets) - well, Ross, that=3D92s just silly!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DHelvetica></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DHelvetica>Here here!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DHelvetica></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT=3D20 face=3D3DHelvetica>Paul.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BO= =3D DY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_002D_01C1914E.0764AEC0--      
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:23:01 +1300   Only if you are agreeing with the message. Maybe he was saying "Here, = here" in the sense of "Gimme, gimme. I want that organ." [grins hugely] Ross -----Original Message----- From: Stan Yoder <vze2myh5@verizon.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sunday, December 30, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral       Paul Austin saith >But whether Liverpool Cathedral=92s organ could be surpassed by a monster Allen/Rodgers >(presumably, to equal the replacement cost, an 8-manual, 932 stop = behemoth with 100,000 watts >of power through 840 speaker cabinets) - well, Ross, that=92s just silly!   Here here!!   Paul.   I believe the expression is "Hear! Hear!", referring to listening rather than location.   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Packer Chapel From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:09:25 -0600   Greetings:   I was under the impression that the Packer Chapel was located in Green Bay WI!   Best Wishes & A Happy New Year!   Tom Gregory -- Thomas and Patricia Gregory 716 West College Avenue Waukesha WI USA 53186-4569  
(back) Subject: Re: Packer Chapel From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:57:38 EST     --part1_198.7ce2a3.295feab2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Is Packer Chapel where the famous "Greenbay Packers" sing?? ;-)   Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Duncan, Miles, Molly & Dewi http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains Please visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_198.7ce2a3.295feab2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Is Packer Chapel where = the famous "Greenbay Packers" sing?? &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce Cornely &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;Cremona502@cs.com &nbsp; <BR>with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Duncan, Miles, Molly &amp; Dewi = &nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/baskerbargains <BR>Please visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/ <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></HTML>   --part1_198.7ce2a3.295feab2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Anglican Cathedral From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:09:44 -0800   To be perfectly honest about it, without prejudice, in an acoustic like that in Liverpool Cathedral it would probably sound quite impressive. I know! I know! You don't like electronic instruments, you told us that, even the ones you have never heard!! Isn't that called "prejudice"? Bob Elms.   > couldn't even begin to imagine something electronic in Liverpool, = whatever its size or type - that was my point. Perhaps you folks in the = USA > don't understand New Zealanders' dry ironic humour yet. > :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) > Ross  
(back) Subject: Re: Liverpool Shocking Facts From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 23:53:20 EST   Dear Pipechatters:   The Willis organ, in its evolved form, still represents a significant monument in Western musical history, from the extraordinary scales that = had to be developed when dealing with a room of such vast proportions, to the famous Grand Chorus and its controvesial recomposition, to its mere = survival over the decades, to its tonal design -- past, present, and as originally intended. The planned-for sections of the original design are a long discussion in and of themselves. So why do we have DOZENS of postings with a Liverpool heading that = have NOTHING to do with this organ? Here we have an opportunity to discuss, learn, and examine one of the great technological and musical achievements = of the last hundred years, and we're talking about devices that aren't even organs. Let's not lose opportunities here...   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City SUBSCRIBE TO THE JOURNAL OF AMERICAN ORGANBUILDING:   Subscriptions The American Institute of Organbuilders P.O. Box 130982 Houston, TX 77219-0982 $12 per annum, $32 for three years, U$16 per annum for foreign = subscriptions Make checks payable to American Institute of Organbuilders  
(back) Subject: Used Pipe Organs From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 01:07:40 EST   Greetings to all,   A recent comment about <used> pipe organs as alternatives to new digitals gives rise to concern. This suggestion may in some cases be a viable alternative. It can equally lead to considerable disappointment if = mismatch occurs.   In each of the pipe organ purchases I have been involved with (as = organist, committee member, quasi-consultant) considerable attention was given to = cubic volume, acoustics, and architecture by the builder. These factors = influenced scaling and tonal architecture of the organ and were given great attention = by the builder. As such, I question the suggestion that a pipe organ is = generic to any venue, be it new or used.   As I am not a builder, I defer to those who are for clarification on my = areas of concern. If I am reading (or misreading) the suggestion as stated, I seems to say that any pipe organ supplanted from its original venue is preferable to a digital in all applications. This approach seems to be = risky at best and irresponsible at worst.   Those of the collective wisdom are invited to enlighten on the subject as = I am not picking a fight but rather am seeking qualified counsel on this = matter.   Happy New Year, Jim Pitts