PipeChat Digest #1800 - Friday, February 2, 2001
 
Re: Votteler organ
  by <JKVDP@aol.com>
RE: Votteler organ
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: Votteler organ
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Re: Votteler organ
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
Patti Simon Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on Feb. 18 (cross-posted)
  by "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: Votteler organ
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
Re: Votteler conservation
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs.
  by "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com>
RE: organ conservation
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
RE: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs.
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
RE: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs.
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Fwd: RTRFM 92.1 Theatre Organ Time, one hour of TO music live on the net.
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
RE: organ conservation
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
RE:  Organ Conservation
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
Re: Votteler conservation
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Cleveland Art Museum
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Bruce Bengston -4 Feb 4 p.m.
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Votteler organ From: <JKVDP@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:32:05 EST   In a message dated 2/1/01 9:22:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, = TRACKELECT@cs.com writes:   << I especially would like to examine the Ludwigtone. >> I played an organ a Ludwigtone earlier this week. Actually it is called a =   Vox Coelestis - or something like that. This one was very uneven from = note to note in undulations. Is this a typical thing for this stop or just = this particular instrument? I recall William Barnes waxed eloquent about this =   voice especially for the accompaniment of chant, but that particular stop = I found somewhat disappointing. Jerry in Seattle  
(back) Subject: RE: Votteler organ From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:38:24 -0800   Since a ludwigtone is really a wood celeste that is basically 2 pipes in = one with seperate tuning flaps it is quite possible that the tuning needs adjusting. I have never played one, but all I have heard is that celeste ranks need to be spread apart or they "draw." Maybe that was the problem!   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of JKVDP@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 10:32 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Votteler organ     In a message dated 2/1/01 9:22:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, TRACKELECT@cs.com writes:   << I especially would like to examine the Ludwigtone. >> I played an organ a Ludwigtone earlier this week. Actually it is called a Vox Coelestis - or something like that. This one was very uneven from = note to note in undulations. Is this a typical thing for this stop or just = this particular instrument? I recall William Barnes waxed eloquent about this voice especially for the accompaniment of chant, but that particular stop = I found somewhat disappointing. Jerry in Seattle   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Votteler organ From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:05:05 -0600   on 2/1/01 you wrote, >The organ has 1 manual, which is split in the middle. You have to pull >stops on each side to play the whole thing. >Best wishes with yours, >Mike > The reed organs that I've worked on were made that way. I suppose with only 1 manual, it gave more options to the sound you could play. It sounds like a interesting organ. Luther lmelby@prte.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Votteler organ From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:05:37 -0600   On 2/1/01 you wrote, >First of all I'd love to look at, I've seen thousands of organs but never = a >Votteler. I especially would like to examine the Ludwigtone. <   The pipes seem to be in good shape, the Ludwigtone is a wood double pipe, two mouths, tapered small at the top, tuned to celeste. The first I have seen, I think they sound very nice.   >Depending on it's condition and the quality of the original construction = it >may deserve a historic reconstruction. Without cracking open the books I >believe that Votteler has a place in the historic record.   If it is really of historic value, I may need to rethink, I had in mind to use a matrix system as I don't like to run air to the console, also if I use direct electric I could couple up on the 8' Diap. and also have a 4' princ.   >Where was it originally installed? Where is it now?   I was told came from a church in Vermillion SD, then moved to St. Mary's in Richardton ND in 1961, from where I just removed it. I now have it at home in Dalton MN.   >Cheers: > >Alan B     Luther lmelby@prtel.com I never was a young as I used to be.    
(back) Subject: Patti Simon Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on Feb. 18 (cross-posted) From: "Ken Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:34:21 -0500   The Rochester Theater Organ Society is pleased to announce that we will welcome the very-talented Patti Simon to our Wurlitzer 4/22 console for = our February "Pops on Pipes" presentation. This will be Patti's 3rd Rochester performance.   This concert will take place at the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main = Street, Rochester, NY 14605 at 2:30 p.m. on Sunday afternoon, February 18th. The inside theater doors will open at 1:45 p.m. Tickets at only $10 each will be available at the Center's Box Office one hour before the concert start. Patti's biography, driving directions, the 4/22 stoplist and chamber layouts, RTOS history and membership information plus many = chamber,console, artists' and theater photos are on our "home on the web" at: http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ .   Patti Simon's CDs, the new RTOS CD "Lance Luce Plays Rochester Live" and some RTOS tape cassettes from earlier albums featuring the late Rob Calcaterra and the late David Reese will be available at the concert.   You are invited to join us for an evening of wonderful Rochester Wurlitzer musical entertainment.   Regards, Ken Evans, RTOS President    
(back) Subject: Re: Votteler organ From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:52:45 EST   In a message dated 2/2/01 1:43:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, randyterry@laumc.org writes:   << I have heard is that celeste ranks need to be spread apart or they "draw." >>   Yes, that's one of the reason why I would like to examine a Ludwigtone. = Any two air columns placed in close proximity will influence each other. When celestes are too close it is difficult if not impossible to get a nice = slow undulation. They tend to "chop", you can tap the slide of the celeste rank =   sharp from unison...nothing..tap..nothing..tap...nothing..tap...chopchopchopchopchopch= opc   hop! It is not very pleasant.   Alan B  
(back) Subject: Re: Votteler conservation From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:04:01 EST   If this is a completely unaltered instrument by Henry B. Votteler (or Votteler-Hettche, or Votteler-Holtkamp-Sparling), it is worth saving, due = to its rarity and historic importance. Small organs of this nature and scarcity should remain unaltered = because if they are somehow or other "modernised" by "JUST" adding a mixture, or "JUST" cutting up the AEoline to make a 1-1/3', or "JUST" given 64 levels = of memory because it really won't affect the music, they are diluted as historical documents. We lose perspective not just upon how they sound, = but upon how they were played. There are still service stations with oval "Esso" signs, and diners = with rotary telephones, and when the last one is gone, we will all be sad that = we did nothing to save them. Which is why that combination action at Yale remains in perfect shape, because a handful of people still find it valid = and amazing and instructive. Where is this rambling leading? You have a small example of something rare, intact, and genuine. It may be one of three, it may be the only one = of its kind. Your soul and history will thank you for making the right decisions regarding the fate of this organ.   Sebastian Matthaus Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs. From: "Jason Comet" <diaphone64@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 19:01:31 -0500   <html> <DIV>Does anyone have the recent specs to the 4/A-S organ at St. Mary the = Virgin in NYC???</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I have been trying to find them online but can't seem to locate = them.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Jason Comet</DIV><br clear=3Dall><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN = Explorer at <a = href=3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p></html>=    
(back) Subject: RE: organ conservation From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:13:10 -0800   In planning the updating of the organ at the church I currently serve, I have been considering these questions myself. I have seen some rather obvious and very questionable instances of my own of "change for change's sake," or perhaps for the whim of the current musician. My notables = include the ripping out of the only significant 4 manual Skinner organ in my home state (1930 E. M.)   More recently a 1962-3 Holtkamp was updated, and while the new combination action, along with several new stops have dramatically increased its effectiveness, I wondered if that was the best thing to do since it was = the last organ Holtkamp Sr. designed, but it was left to his son to complete = it.   But then the question of changes to smaller seemingly insignificant instruments came to mind as the current Votteler organ was being = discussed. For 20 years almost, I have made changes to every pipe organ I played = except one. I told myself it did not matter because it was only a piddly Moller series organ, or a 1970's Wicks, and now a 1972 Swain & Kates, so it could not possibly matter - especially when the changes made such a radical improvement. In our project at St. Peter's we are making such changes = that I think the sound is going to be changed more than any other instrument I have dealt with. It will be better in some ways, but there are some charming things that we are going to loose.   OK, now, what is going to happen when all those Wicks instruments from the late 60's and 70's have someone come along and doctor them up? (I am not really thinking about correcting mechanical problems.) Or some of the = early imported trackers. At some point when my generation is old and grey and = we are moaning about how horrible it was, and the youngsters are not going to believe us!   I am so enthusiastic about organbuilding right now. We are building historically informed as well as eclectic mechanical action instruments of all varieties. We are conserving important instruments of many types, and many wonderful electric action instruments are built as well. I find it hard to imagine that example after example of our best builder's works = could be altered beyond recognition, or tossed out without a thought, such as = was common fairly recently. There are exceptions, I know. But history = repeats itself.   Part of where I am coming from is that I remember how my hair stood on end when I played the organ at my last church for the first time (right before = I auditioned.) I could not have imagined a worse sound. The room was dead and the sizzle and spit was way more apparent than any musical note. I = had the 1975 Wicks instrument revoiced by Rich Schneider while I was there. = It has been a year since I left, and I went back for a funeral yesterday. I was expecting to dislike the sound in spite of the revoicing. Instead, I was shocked. The Principals were rich and vocal, the upperwork sat on top without sticking out and the flutes were perky and musical. I would recommend a new organ without hesitation, of course, and I would do the tonal changes again, but sooner or later there will be no points of reference left, maybe.   Where does one draw the line? How could I leave the instrument above = alone in good conscience? But on the other hand, who is to say when it is = right, since much of us are unable to see past our own "ideal" sound.   I guess I am simply playing devil's advocate. But if I was interested in = a post at a church with the very same Votteler organ mentioned recently, I would not be able to apply for the job because I could not play an instrument like that for very long and stay content, I don't think. I do think I would have the sense enough NOT to apply for the sake of the = organ, though.        
(back) Subject: RE: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs. From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:15:03 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C08D34.51F37760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   They are there, I've seen them. Try the NYC AGO web site there are stoplists for about 50 organs, unless they took that one out for reasons = of conscience.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of = Jason Comet Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:02 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs.     Does anyone have the recent specs to the 4/A-S organ at St. Mary the = Virgin in NYC???   I have been trying to find them online but can't seem to locate them.   Thanks, Jason Comet   _____   Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital = organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C08D34.51F37760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D140142100-03022001>They=3D20 are there, I've seen them.&nbsp; Try the NYC AGO web site there are =3D stoplists=3D20 for about 50 organs, unless they took that one out for reasons of=3D20 conscience.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV align=3D3Dleft class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jason =3D Comet<BR><B>Sent:</B>=3D20 Friday, February 02, 2001 4:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=3D20 pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S=3D20 Specs.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV>Does anyone have the recent specs to the 4/A-S organ at St. Mary = =3D the=3D20 Virgin in NYC???</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I have been trying to find them online but can't seem to = locate=3D20 them.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Jason Comet</DIV><BR clear=3D3Dall> <HR> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</A><BR> <P></P>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for =3D pipe/digital=3D20 organs &amp; related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org = List:=3D20 mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org = =3D   Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org =3D </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0000_01C08D34.51F37760--    
(back) Subject: RE: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs. From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:17:28 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0004_01C08D34.A7CB2CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   http://www.nycago.org/html/NYCOrgans.html     From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of = Jason Comet Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 4:02 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs.     Does anyone have the recent specs to the 4/A-S organ at St. Mary the = Virgin in NYC???   I have been trying to find them online but can't seem to locate them.   Thanks, Jason Comet   _____   Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital = organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0004_01C08D34.A7CB2CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.nycago.org/html/NYCOrgans.html">http://www.nycago.org/= =3D html/NYCOrgans.html</A></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV align=3D3Dleft class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2><BR><B>From:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jason =3D Comet<BR><B>Sent:</B>=3D20 Friday, February 02, 2001 4:02 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=3D20 pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S=3D20 Specs.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV>Does anyone have the recent specs to the 4/A-S organ at St. Mary = =3D the=3D20 Virgin in NYC???</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I have been trying to find them online but can't seem to = locate=3D20 them.</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Thanks,</DIV> <DIV>Jason Comet</DIV><BR clear=3D3Dall> <HR> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</A><BR> <P></P>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for =3D pipe/digital=3D20 organs &amp; related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org = List:=3D20 mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org = =3D   Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org =3D </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0004_01C08D34.A7CB2CA0--    
(back) Subject: Re: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:22:48 -0800   At 07:01 PM 2/2/2001 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone have the recent specs to the 4/A-S organ at St. Mary the >Virgin in NYC???<snip>   Hmmm...seems to me someone, somewhere posted an updated spec on Smokey Mary's, but I can't remember by whom or where! Was it here?? A quick search of my "specification vault" yields nothing recent.   dB    
(back) Subject: Fwd: RTRFM 92.1 Theatre Organ Time, one hour of TO music live on the net. From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 19:36:33 -0600   The following was posted on the Theatreorgan list about connecting to RTR-FM. Since I know some PipeChatters listen while on the IRC channel I thought I would pass this along for their use.   The program is usually very good so if you have an interest in Theatre Organs you might just want to listen.   Happy PipeChatting   David     >Hello, > >There has been some problems with the ISP for RTRFM 92.1. > >Wire City has assured us that the problems have been rectified. > >We hope that you can join us for one hour of wonderful Theatre Organ >Music from around the world. The address is > ><rtrfm.com.au>rtrfm.com.au and click on the speaker symbol in the >bottom left hand corner to receive streaming audio. > >If you cannot get audio then copy and paste the following address >into the location window of your "RealPlayer." > ><http://166.90.143.156:12508>http://166.90.143.156:12508 > >Fingers crossed!!! > >Regards > >Lesley and Gary > >Times > >Western Australia------Saturday 10.00 am (GMT + 8 Hours) > >Add an hour if you have daylight saving > >USA >Eastern Standard Time----- Friday 9.00 pm >Central Standard Time ---- Friday 8.00 pm >Mountain Standard Time---Friday 7.00 pm >Pacific Standard Time -----Friday 6.00 pm > >Canada >Manitoba-------------Friday 8.00 pm >Alberta -------------- Friday 7.00 pm >British Columbia------Friday 6.00 pm > >New Zealand ---------Saturday 3.00 pm > >UK------Saturday 2.00 am > >The Netherlands ----Saturday 3.00 am > > >    
(back) Subject: RE: organ conservation From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 17:55:12 -0800   At 04:13 PM 2/2/2001 -0800, you wrote: >I have seen some rather obvious and very questionable instances of my own= =20 >of "change for change's sake," or perhaps for the whim of the current=20 >musician. My notables include the ripping out of the only significant 4=20 >manual Skinner organ in my home state (1930 E. M.)<snip>   Whoops! Someone needs to send a posse out after them thar=20 TrackerBackers!<snarf snarf>   >More recently a 1962-3 Holtkamp was updated, and while the new combination= =20 >action, along with several new stops have dramatically increased its=20 >effectiveness, I wondered if that was the best thing to do since it was=20 >the last organ Holtkamp Sr. designed, but it was left to his son to=20 >complete it.<snip>   You just answered your own question, in my view. The organ is now changed= =20 for the better, by your own admission, but had significant interest to=20 "history buffs" in a historical sense, not necessarily a tonal sense. The= =20 demise of the VERY late Skinner organ mentioned above is surely a loss=20 also, and I cringe at the thought of what might have replaced it. However,= =20 in both cases, one thing stands out quite readily: BOTH organs were, in=20 some part of their being, inadequate for the function they were installed=20 to do, and were replaced and/or added to.   Now comes the crux of the situation, and a sore sticking point with me and= =20 many others: WERE the existing organs replaced/modified for the BETTER=20 overall, or were they simply trashed for the latest "fad"? No doubt, the=20 organ is victim to faddishness more than any other musical instrument (as=20 to some reasons why, I shall keep MY trap SHUT!). There seems to be a=20 total disregard for logical progression of tonal resources, and instead,=20 one complete school is laboriously (and QUITE expensively) sacked in favor= =20 of another. In the case of the Skinner, it's hard to see why much of this= =20 fine work got tossed, when simple, judicious additions of upperwork and=20 juggling of ranks to achieve better ensemble are probably all that was=20 needed. Of course, then there's the "fad" of TrackerMania, which dictates= =20 that ALL EP and romantic instruments are somehow inherently pass=E9, and= must=20 be scrapped. To disprove this onerous idea, witness the 1929 E.M. Skinner= =20 of UCLA's Royce Hall, which, with the same modifications mentioned above,=20 now sings forth with new authority and flexibility. This instrument now=20 probably more closely conforms to the ideals of G. Donald Harrison's reform= =20 movement instruments, but still retains an unmistakable "Skinner sound".   On the other hand, the Holtkamp was probably in need of such modifications= =20 to make it more useful. Anyone that has played one of Walter Sr.'s works=20 knows his extremism in the Organ Reform Movement, and knows he went far=20 overboard on chiffiness and ear-shattering mixtures at times. (I'm sure=20 that our own BuuD-by-the-Beach can weigh in on this, having dealt with=20 Waltah's "Martini organs" at Oberlin!) Still, the fine vertical choruses=20 are there, and just some softening and expansion of his ideas would surely= =20 make the instrument "warmer" and more apt to give good renditions of more= =20 of the literature.   Certainly, purists will decry what I say (they ALWAYS do), but the fact=20 remains that BOTH of these organs, in their original forms, were lacking=20 from being workable instruments able to cover large areas of the organ=20 schools, Skinner probably for his massive collection of unison solo voices= =20 and "slush" at the expense of solid vertical chorus, and Holtkamp for his=20 xylophonic speech and diamond-cutting upperwork. The Skinner was dumped=20 (most assuredly erroneously), while the Holtkamp was retained but=20 modified. The first example was plainly wrong, while the second was=20 probably the best overall outcome without succumbing to "faddishness". I=20 daresay that the Holtkamp, in its current incarnation, is probably a better= =20 instrument overall than when new, while we also know that similar treatment= =20 to a "lacking" Skinner can also be quite successful, as the UCLA organ=20 bears witness to.   "Change for change's sake" is most definitely wrong, but also, "historical= =20 preservation for historical preservation's sake" can be equally erroneous=20 and self-serving! Somewhere in between the two extremes, scholarly reason= =20 must prevail and, all too often, simply does not!   Off my soapbox, leaving 2=A2...   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Conservation From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:17:49 EST   Randy Terry writes:     >OK, now, what is going to happen when all those Wicks instruments from = the< >late 60's and 70's have someone come along and doctor them up? (I am not< >really thinking about correcting mechanical problems.) Or some of the = early< >imported trackers. At some point when my generation is old and grey and = we< >are moaning about how horrible it was, and the youngsters are not going = to< >believe us!<<   Randy, I appreciate your concern but why should an organ be allowed to = sound its worst when it can sound its best, regardless of its genre? Butchery = is to be avoided at all cost but if voicing, regulating and obvious deficits = can be corrected, where and why should we feel guilt?   Perhaps we should fix these organs so that we do not have to bemoan the horrors to future generations. much less leave them as they are for evidence's sake. They will likely thank us for it. With respect to it = being "right," there are several hundred subscribers on this list and the definition of "right" will probably take on several hundred different descriptions.   But, as in all matters, opinions vary.   Best wishes,   Jim Pitts      
(back) Subject: Re: Votteler conservation From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 21:43:14 -0500   I agree in keeping the Votteler in origional condition.   This one-manual instrument I'll be rebuilding is also a rare bird. It has = a drawer-slide manual, no pedals, and is hand-pumped.   To alter instruments of these kind would be terrible to say the least.   Interesting to note, the Catholic church where my restoration is located = is now used by other denoms in the area for worship, and the church building will double for recital purposes -using the drawer-slide manual organ for early string quartet music ensembles.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Cleveland Art Museum From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:19:40 -0500   Mike Gettelman wrote:   While reading a JAV recordings catalog that I received with a CD there was an article describing the life of EM Skinner that spoke of an organ he built for the Cleveland Museum of Art. The organ has a self playing mechanism built by Skinner that is characterized in present day terms as a binary computer because of the way he designed the paper roll reader.   I wonder if our List historians could shed some more light on this particular instrument?   Thanks Mike    
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce Bengston -4 Feb 4 p.m. From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:25:53 -0600   My wife used to be Associate Rector of Christ Church (Episcopal) in Reading, Pa., where Bruce is organist, and I was in the choir there, so I know him well and can thoroughly recommend his organ playing. Since everyone so far has got it wrong, however, I hope I may be forgiven for pointing out that his name is spelt Bengtson (Swedish: son of Bengt) not Bengston. Also, he is Bruce P. Bengtson. There is another organist -- and having heard both of them I would recommend both highly -- named Bruce A. Bengtson. It is Bruce A. Bengtson who used to be in Dallas.   John Speller St. Louis, Mo.