PipeChat Digest #1804 - Sunday, February 4, 2001
 
Re: Speedy Recovery
  by "Gary Blevins" <gsblvns@camalott.com>
Re: Bruce Bengston -4 Feb 4 p.m.
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
service bulletins
  by "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
RE: organ conservation
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Re: Blowers
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: organ conservation
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: off-topic (x-posted)
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: organ conservation
  by "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Speedy Recovery From: "Gary Blevins" <gsblvns@camalott.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:44:27 -0600   Hoping service goes well. My prayers w/ you. God Bless. -Gary -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: organchat <organchat@egroups.com>; pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org>; +mailing list, ANGLICAN-MUSIC <anglican-music@list.stsams.org> Date: Saturday, February 03, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: off-topic (x-posted)     >I'm recovering from pneumonia ... went to the hospital Wednesday night >with 105.6 fever. First time out of bed today ... I suppose I'll try to >play the High Mass tomorrow, lacking any sort of substitute. > >Cheers, > >Bud > > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Bruce Bengston -4 Feb 4 p.m. From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 16:49:41 EST     --part1_f2.729ee5a.27add6f5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/3/01 9:26:15 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = desertbob@rglobal.net writes:     > Yeesh! Anyone else as cornfuzzled on this one as I am? > >   No boB.... you're the champ!!!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_f2.729ee5a.27add6f5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/3/01 9:26:15 PM !!!First = Boot!!!, desertbob@rglobal.net <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yeesh! = &nbsp;Anyone else as cornfuzzled on this one as I am? <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>No boB.... you're the champ!!! <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" = FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"><I>Bruce = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Calisto MT" = LANG=3D"0">Cremona502@cs.com</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 = FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"> &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Calisto MT" LANG=3D"0">with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest = ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</I></FONT></HTML>   --part1_f2.729ee5a.27add6f5_boundary--  
(back) Subject: service bulletins From: "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 14:05:01 -0800 (PST)     In my last job, I got the position increased to 40 hours by trading hours = with the office administrator so she had Friday, Saturday, and Sunday off. I couldn't stand sitting there and just answering the phone so I offered to = do the bullitens.   I learned rather quickly Microsoft Publisher. I am having a harder time learning PageMaker, but I think it is because I don't spend time each week working on something now.   In the ECUSA we have the Rite Brain, Rite Word, and Rite Song - all CD = roms which are in Adobe Acrobat format, if I recall correctly, and you can cut = & paste from those to create just about any "standard" service, and the = whole hymnal and musical supplements are in Rite Song. I have not used that one = yet so I don't know how easy it is to have a melody line only on 4 part hymns. = Of course once you have a basic template you can always make changes and "create-your-own" musical liturgies or concert programs.   Where I am now we are making a fancy booklet that has everything from Palm Sunday, all of Holy Week, and Easter Vigil/Sunday Morning. That will be interesting.   Randy   __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: organ conservation From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:03:35 -0800   At 09:04 PM 2/2/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Well, in the case of the Skinner, it was a 4/70ish.<snipping copious info= =20 >about the Skinner's spec> However, it did suffer from being in a >dead room.<snip>   Aha! Room's bad, so trash the organ! How sad and typical. One may=20 remember the trashing of the =C6olian-Skinner at Lincoln Center for somewhat= =20 the same reason, only this time, the organ was BLAMED for bad acoustics and= =20 not the real culprit, the poor architecture of the hall.   >The Skinner was replaced by a large 3/ped Holtkamp electric action organ=20 >that used one chamber and had exposed gt and pos. It has >1/4L 32' Reed in the pedal! I am sure the Skinner in that dead room was=20 >more effective.<snip>   I don't think there'll be any doubt among those reading this that this was= =20 a stupid decision, and one made by the same "hackneyed academics" that I've= =20 railed against time and time again. I'm quite sure the Skinner, being VERY= =20 late, had at least some vertical principal chorus somewhere, as Skinner's=20 trip to England in the mid-'20s convinced him that his "Hope-Jonesish"=20 specifications up till then were sadly lacking.   What's VERY interesting is that here we see an organ built at the very=20 start of the Organ Reform Movement (but not considered a product of it)=20 being replaced by yet another, later entrant into said movement, and one=20 from a builder given to excesses. All in all, this was a colossal waste of= =20 funds, something that academia is wont to do, most assuredly. Witness that= =20 mess at Wellesley...the infamous "Frisky", nothing more than a museum piece= =20 knock-off at best, and certainly not suitable for performance to most=20 modern ears. At least someone had the presence of mind to retain the =C6-S= =20 at the front of the chapel!!   >I do agree with the comment that the Holtkamp was lacking. I can't say=20 >that I agree in the case of the Skinner. The organ prof., whom I admire=20 >greatly wanted it.<snip>   From your description, this organ might perhaps have been somewhat lacking= =20 in brilliance and mutations, but quite satisfactory overall. I'd have to=20 agree that this organ had significant historical merit, as it amply seems=20 to have showed the influence that EMS's England trip had, as well as that=20 of the encroaching G. Donald Harrison, upon the final produce from the=20 original Skinner concern   > Maybe there was not money to restore it<snip!>   Not enough money to restore, but enough money to buy a new Holtkamp with=20 duck calls?? Something's wrong with THAT picture!   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Re: Blowers From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 16:22:43 -0600   OK, but you will probably not be able to hear the organ. Its not only the external noise, but the noise going up the wind line that is hard to control. In addition, there is the additional turbulence of a blower not designed for organs. = Look inside a Ventus if you want to see the difference! In addition it is a = sleeve bearing motor instead of ball bearings, which are noisy.. They have given = a permanent grant to a German engineering school to study that blower and develop improvements. That is one reason it is so good. If you can't afford a = new organ blower, look for a good used one. Even if it doesn't work, Laukhuff will supply a repair kit. Good Luck! Roy   Louis Katz wrote:   > Hi, > I am relatively new to the list. I am working on my pipe organ soldering > and am a a point where I need to by a blower. I have been getting specs = on > organ blowers and they seem awfully like the blowers on dust collectors = for > wood shops. I am looking at a Delta dust collector that has a blower = with a > static pressure of 11" W.C. and 1200 CFM (free air I believe). It is > powered by a 1.5 horse electric motor direct drive. > Does this sound like a reasonable blower? The whole dust collector costs > about $ 260. It is cheaper to buy the whole thing than to get just the > blower. My spec sheet is at work and if I remember coreectly it is 70 > decibels as a dust collector. > > Louis Katz > I will probably not get to read the resposes for a few days. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: organ conservation From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 18:43:00 EST     --part1_3f.1033cee8.27adf184_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   In a message dated 2/3/01 10:16:17 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = desertbob@rglobal.ne=3D t=3D20 writes:     > Aha! Room's bad, so trash the organ! How sad and typical. One = may=3D20 > remember the trashing of the =3DC6olian-Skinner at Lincoln Center for = somewh=3D at=3D20 > the same reason, only this time, the organ was BLAMED for bad acoustics = an=3D d=3D20 > not the real culprit, the poor architecture of the hall.   This is always sad. It seems that one of the things Skinner did best was = t=3D o=3D20 overcome, and sometimes even use to advantage such things as bad = acoustics=3D20 and chambers. My favorite example is Christ Church Cathedral-HoustonTX; = I=3D =3D20 don't care how bad the room may be, the organ sound wonderful (or did = before=3D =3D20 it was "fixed").   > Witness that mess at Wellesley...the infamous "Frisky", nothing more = th=3D an=3D20 > a museum piece knock-off at best, and certainly not suitable for=3D20 > performance to most=3D20 > modern ears. At least someone had the presence of mind to retain the = =3DC6-=3D S=3D20 > at the front of the chapel!!   So what is wrong with have both. The Fisk can do things that the A-S = can't=3D20 and vice versa. Unfortunately, for the cause of reproduction = instruments,=3D20 the Fisk is outrageously loud and thereby unpleasant; had the voicing been = a=3D =3D20 bit (or a LOT) more sensitive to the size of the room, the instrument = would=3D20 have been more well-received. Both organs are signifcantly different = and=3D20 should remain so. I would love to have a situation with two such = instrument=3D s.       Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com =3D20 with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_3f.1033cee8.27adf184_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 2/3/01 10:16:17 PM !!!First = Boot!!!=3D , desertbob@rglobal.net=3D20 <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Aha! &nbsp;Room's bad, so = t=3D rash the organ! &nbsp;How sad and typical. &nbsp;One may=3D20 <BR>remember the trashing of the =3DC6olian-Skinner at Lincoln Center for = some=3D what=3D20 <BR>the same reason, only this time, the organ was BLAMED for bad = acoustics=3D20=3D and=3D20 <BR>not the real culprit, the poor architecture of the hall.</FONT><FONT = CO=3D LOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"></BL=3D OCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">This is always sad. &nbsp;&nbsp;It seems that one of the = thi=3D ngs Skinner did best was to=3D20 <BR>overcome, and sometimes even use to advantage such things as bad = acousti=3D cs=3D20 <BR>and chambers. &nbsp;&nbsp;My favorite example is Christ Church = Cathedral=3D -HoustonTX; &nbsp;I=3D20 <BR>don't care how bad the room may be, the organ sound wonderful (or did = be=3D fore=3D20 <BR>it was "fixed"). <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> = &nbsp;&nbsp;Wi=3D tness that mess at Wellesley...the infamous "Frisky", nothing more = than=3D20 <BR>a museum piece knock-off at best, and certainly not suitable for=3D20 <BR>performance to most=3D20 <BR>modern ears. &nbsp;At least someone had the presence of mind to retain = t=3D he =3DC6-S=3D20 <BR>at the front of the chapel!!</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D3D3 FAM=3D ILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">So what is wrong with have both. &nbsp;The Fisk can do = thing=3D s that the A-S can't=3D20 <BR>and vice versa. &nbsp;&nbsp;Unfortunately, for the cause of = reproduction=3D instruments,=3D20 <BR>the Fisk is outrageously loud and thereby unpleasant; had the voicing = be=3D en a=3D20 <BR>bit (or a LOT) more sensitive to the size of the room, the instrument = wo=3D uld=3D20 <BR>have been more well-received. &nbsp;&nbsp;Both organs are signifcantly = d=3D ifferent and=3D20 <BR>should remain so. &nbsp;I would love to have a situation with two such = i=3D nstruments. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D5 FAMILY=3D3D"DECORATIVE" = FACE=3D3D"T=3D empus Sans ITC" LANG=3D3D"0"><I>Bruce &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ = &nbsp;</=3D FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Calisto MT"=3D20=3D LANG=3D3D"0">Cremona502@cs.com</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D5 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"DECORATIVE" FACE=3D3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D3D"0"> &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Calist=3D o MT" LANG=3D3D"0">with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ = ""Haruffaroo,=3D Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/<=3D /I></FONT></HTML>   --part1_3f.1033cee8.27adf184_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: off-topic (x-posted) From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:21:36 -0500   Bud-   I hope you'll be feeling better soon and can get thru the High Mass.   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: organ conservation From: "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:55:33 -0800 (PST)     --- Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/3/01 10:16:17 PM !!!First Boot!!!, = desertbob@rglobal.net > > > So what is wrong with have both. The Fisk can do things that the A-S = can't > and vice versa. Unfortunately, for the cause of reproduction = instruments, > the Fisk is outrageously loud and thereby unpleasant; had the voicing = been a > bit (or a LOT) more sensitive to the size of the room, the instrument = would > have been more well-received. Both organs are signifcantly different = and > should remain so. I would love to have a situation with two such > instruments. >   I agree. One thing that I have been able to do here that I have never = been able to do elsewhere is to be able to hear, see and play excellent = Baroque, Renaissance, and Romantic instruments all in the same wonderful room = (Stanford Memorial Church.) Thank God the times changed before they ripped out that wonderful Murray Harris organ.   What about the Duke Aeolian? Any updates on the current state of that = organ?   What about the trio of big Kimballs from MA, MN, and TN?? Or the Lemare = Austin in Chattanooga?   __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/