PipeChat Digest #1806 - Monday, February 5, 2001
 
Re: off-topic (x-posted)
  by <DRAWKNOB@aol.com>
RE: Votteler conservation
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Re: organ conservation
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs.
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs.
  by "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu>
RE: Music On Ebay
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Bach Editions I have known, was Music On Ebay
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
RE: Funny Symbol: was Re: Fw: What Has The Situation Come To?
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: NBA volume 9
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Alt Whatever . . . .
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Cheap Organ CD's
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
some heretical thoughts on St. Mark's, Philadelphia, St John's, Denver,  
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: some heretical thoughts on St. Mark's, Philadelphia, St John's,Denver
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: organ conservation
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: organ conservation
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Follow up on cheap CD's
  by <MickBerg@aol.com>
RE: Follow up on cheap CD's
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: some heretical thoughts!
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: off-topic (x-posted) From: <DRAWKNOB@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:32:53 EST   I hope you're feeling better Bud!   John  
(back) Subject: RE: Votteler conservation From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:28:55 -0500   I love Aeolines. Such a fabulously ethereal sound. Why dump it!!!   > -----Original Message----- > From: TubaMagna@aol.com [mailto:TubaMagna@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:04 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: Votteler conservation > > > If this is a completely unaltered instrument by Henry B. > Votteler (or > Votteler-Hettche, or Votteler-Holtkamp-Sparling), it is worth > saving, due to > its rarity and historic importance. > Small organs of this nature and scarcity should remain > unaltered because > if they are somehow or other "modernised" by "JUST" adding a > mixture, or > "JUST" cutting up the AEoline to make a 1-1/3', or "JUST" > given 64 levels of > memory because it really won't affect the music, they are diluted as > historical documents. We lose perspective not just upon how > they sound, but > upon how they were played. > There are still service stations with oval "Esso" signs, > and diners with > rotary telephones, and when the last one is gone, we will all > be sad that we > did nothing to save them. Which is why that combination > action at Yale > remains in perfect shape, because a handful of people still > find it valid and > amazing and instructive. > Where is this rambling leading? You have a small example > of something > rare, intact, and genuine. It may be one of three, it may be > the only one of > its kind. Your soul and history will thank you for making the right > decisions regarding the fate of this organ. > > Sebastian Matthaus Gluck > New York City > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Re: organ conservation From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:38:28 EST     --part1_4f.70aac98.27b014e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/5/01 2:26:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!, RMaryman@aol.com writes:     > Given my 'druthers, I would just as soon hear a long program of beefy > romantic period music with a brief demo of the Flentflop and Brumbough = for > curiosity sake. > but that's just me. >   No problem there. But you must admit, that's a much better alternative = than have token sounds from all periods homogenized into one behemoth that does =   justice to nothing!! I, too would rather hear the Aeolian over the = long haul, for worship especially.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_4f.70aac98.27b014e4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/5/01 2:26:48 AM !!!First = Boot!!!, RMaryman@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Given my = 'druthers, I would just as soon hear a long program of beefy <BR>romantic period music with a brief demo of the Flentflop and Brumbough = for <BR>curiosity sake. <BR>but that's just me. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>No problem there. &nbsp;&nbsp;But you must admit, that's a much better = alternative than <BR>have token sounds from all periods homogenized into one behemoth that = does <BR>justice to nothing!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I, too would rather hear = the Aeolian over the long <BR>haul, for worship especially. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" = FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"><I>Bruce = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Calisto MT" = LANG=3D"0">Cremona502@cs.com</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 = FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"> &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Calisto MT" LANG=3D"0">with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest = ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</I></FONT></HTML>   --part1_4f.70aac98.27b014e4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs. From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 08:43:34 -0600   Jason: Did you look on the New York AGO chapter's web site? List member Steve Lawson is their webmaster. Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Jason Comet [mailto:diaphone64@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:02 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs.     Does anyone have the recent specs to the 4/A-S organ at St. Mary the = Virgin in NYC??? I have been trying to find them online but can't seem to locate them. Thanks, Jason Comet   _____   Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com <http://explorer.msn.com>         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital = organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: St. Mary the Virgin NY A-S Specs. From: "Stanley E Yoder" <syoder+@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:01:40 -0500 (EST)   The March 1995 issue of TAO (AGO periodical) has this organ as the cover feature. Full stoplist included. Stan Yoder Pittsburgh  
(back) Subject: RE: Music On Ebay From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:07:25 -0500   30 bucks is a bit steep for the Dupre Bach. Sounds like fixed pricing to = me.   > -----Original Message----- > From: Carolyn [mailto:carolyngm@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 9:37 AM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Music On Ebay > > > > > Stan: > > Great looking music on Ebay- but can I ask.....why do you > tempt us Canadians > and then only "sell to the United States????" lol > > > > > Carolyn > Calgary, Alberta > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Bach Editions I have known, was Music On Ebay From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 10:42:43 -0800   At 01:07 PM 2/5/2001 -0500, you wrote: >30 bucks is a bit steep for the Dupre Bach. Sounds like fixed pricing to >me.<snip>   YIPES! Well, eBay is "FantasyLand", as anyone that's messed with it = knows.   On the subject of Bach editions, has anyone else been using the "new" Editio Musica Budapest volumes? My Widor-Scheitzers have decayed = to dust (page turning usually results in flying "chad"), and I find these to be easy to read, and the editorial sourcing traces back to a smorgasbord = of 1844-1881 Edition Peters (later revised), the Gesamtausgabe der Bach-Gesellschaft of 1851-1899, and the Neue Bach-Ausbage from 1954 on, = and a selection of original manuscripts and published editions from Bach's time...which, the editors don't really specify. It is billed by the editors as a "practical edition", rather than scholastic in nature. Print =   is crisp and clean on good paper, although seemingly smaller than the old Schirmer. (Of course, my eyes have gone from 20-20 to rotten over the years, so this, failing to put a caliper to work, is purely subjective!) These are available at Pepper and other reliable sources.   Comments?   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: RE: Funny Symbol: was Re: Fw: What Has The Situation Come To? From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 14:48:31 -0500   Yes, that's the printers symbol indicating a paragraph.   > -----Original Message----- > From: David Carter [mailto:david_n_carter@hotmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:19 PM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Funny Symbol: was Re: Fw: What Has The Situation Come To? >=20 >=20 > It marks the end of a paragraph, according to what I've read. >=20 > David Carter >=20 > >From: Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >Subject: Re: Fw: What Has The Situation Come To? > >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:58:26 +0800 > > > >I think it is intended to mark some special point. > >BE. > > > >VEAGUE wrote: > > > > > > What is that funny little symbol (two verticle lines with=20 > a backward 'p'=20 > >) > > > after 'yes!' ? I've seen that in Scripture at the=20 > beginning of some=20 > >verses. > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bob Elms <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> > > > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 7:55 AM > > > Subject: Re: What Has The Situation Come To? > > > > > > Yes!! =B6, =AA > > > > > > Cremona502@cs.com wrote: > > > > > > > > =A2 --- cool! > > > > > > > > Bruce Cornely ~ Cremona502@cs.com > > > > with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~=20 > ""Haruffaroo Bohawow!" > > > > Visit Howling Acres at < Ourworld.cs.com/Brucon502 > >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >=20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20  
(back) Subject: RE: NBA volume 9 From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:19:23 -0500   Can anyone on this list who has the Baerenreiter editions give a brief critique? Are they worth getting? I have the Schweitzer/Widors since = the 60s when I paid $5.00 per volume, and I mean the good larger buffed paper edition not that crap their printing them on now with Bach's face on = the cover. Anyway, what about the B=E4renreiter editions...good? bad? = indifferent? Robert Colasacco   > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Opel [mailto:popel@sover.net] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 7:49 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: NBA volume 9 >=20 >=20 > This is correct- 9 volumes, 8 of them numbered. The "jig"=20 > fugue is thought > not to be by Bach, and is not included in the Baerenreiter-=20 > neither, by the > way, are the 8 little preludes & fugues. Don't throw away your old > Peters/Schweitzer/Dupre/Whatever just yet! >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 > > > >Greetings, all. > > > >I have this edition, and, as I think someone mentioned=20 > before, it is in > >fact eight numbered volumes plus the Neumeister Collection=20 > (nine total.) > >I haven't looked (and can't, as I'm not near my music,) but=20 > I'm pretty > >sure that the "Jig" fugue is not in the B=E4renreiter NBA=20 > Complete Organ > >Works. > > > >Best, > >-greg > > > > >=20 > http://www.sover.net/~popel >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20  
(back) Subject: RE: Alt Whatever . . . . From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:21:50 -0500   No, they didn't.   > -----Original Message----- > From: Storandt, Peter [mailto:pstorandt@okcu.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:11 PM > To: 'PipeChat' > Subject: RE: Alt Whatever . . . . >=20 >=20 > I don't think Aeolian-Skinner used =C6. >=20 > Peter >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: John L. Speller [mailto:jlspeller@stlnet.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 7:00 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Alt Whatever . . . . >=20 >=20 > It is also useful to know Alt/0251 for =FB as in Fl=FBte Harmonique, = and > Alt/0198 =C6 for writing =C6olian-Skinner, etc. I am told, however, = these > only work on IBM-compatible machines and that there is another way of > doing it with Macs. >=20 > John Speller=20 >=20 > ManderUSA@aol.com wrote: > >=20 > > Glenda asked about finding various accented letters and other > > characters. > > Here is a list I keep in a quickly accessible file, not in any good > > order, > > just in the order in which the need arose - definitely the=20 > Pound sign > > came > > first!!!: > >=20 > > =A3 =3D Alt/0163 > > =E0 =3D Alt/0224 > > =E1 =3D Alt/0225 > > =E8 =3D Alt/0232 > > =E9 =3D Alt/0233 > > =FC =3D Alt/0252 > > =EB =3D Alt/0235 > > =EA=3D Alt/0234 > > =F6 =3D Alt/0246 > > =E4 =3D Alt/0228 > > =F3 =3D Alt/0243 > > =F4 =3D Alt/0244 > >=20 > > You may have to enlarge the letters to actually see what you are > > getting, and > > I do hope the actual symbols survive through the e-mail. > >=20 > > I realize after some of what has been written that there is=20 > more than > > one way > > to get certain things. I am not sure why. Today someone pointed out > > that Alt > > 156 provides the Pound sign. You will find it on my list at=20 > Alt 0163, > > which > > also works. It's the ones with the zero first that show up when you > > highlight > > a symbol on the Character Map. These only work using the=20 > number pad to > > the > > right of your keyboard, assuming you have one, and the number lock > > must be > > on. That is the extent of my knowledge, and, in fact,=20 > stretches that a > > bit! > >=20 > > Cheers, > >=20 > > Malcolm >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >=20  
(back) Subject: Cheap Organ CD's From: <MickBerg@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 15:29:43 EST     --part1_a9.11485be9.27b06737_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi everyone.   Just to let you know that my local Borders bookstore (and so I presume the =   whole chain) has CD's from the Naxos Organ Encyclopedia for sale for $5.99 =   each. All kinds of interesting composers. I bought a Rheinberger and a Schiedemann just to try them out.   Mick Berg.   --part1_a9.11485be9.27b06737_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Hi everyone. <BR> <BR>Just to let you know that my local Borders bookstore (and so I presume = the <BR>whole chain) has CD's from the Naxos Organ Encyclopedia for sale for = $5.99 <BR>each. All kinds of interesting composers. I bought a Rheinberger and a =   <BR>Schiedemann just to try them out. <BR> <BR>Mick Berg.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a9.11485be9.27b06737_boundary--  
(back) Subject: some heretical thoughts on St. Mark's, Philadelphia, St John's, Denver, St. Joseph's, Buffalo From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:29:15 -0800   After reading the Tracker article and re-reading the stop-list of St. Mark's, I have some comments (grin):   First of all, I have the greatest respect for GDH ... WHO he was, WHERE he was, and *WHEN* he was. But I think it's time to admit that the American Classic movement as typified by him was a dead end ... a GLORIOUS dead end, but a dead end nonetheless.   It has often been said that the Oberlin organs were a turning point, with Walter Holtkamp Sr.'s rebuild of the Roosevelt/E.M. Skinner in Warner Concert Hall only a short walk away from GDH's rebuild of the E.M. Skinner in Finney Chapel and thus available for almost instant comparison.   In fairness to GHD, much went wrong with the Finney Chapel rebuild that was beyond his control ... budget cuts by the college, etc. ... but some of the problems have to be laid at the door of Aeolian-Skinner as well (mostly, I think, having to do with arrogance, and ignoring Fenner Douglass at their peril) (grin).   Anyway, back to St. Mark's ... here's an organ of over 100 ranks with NO reeds on the Great (a GDH signature practice) OR the Positiv, and NO 8' OBOE to be found ANYWHERE. There are two color reeds: a 16' Krumhorn and an 8' Vox Humana ... EVERY other reed on the organ is a chorus trumpet.   Now ... it is said that the "effect" is wondrous and clean and etc. etc. etc., and it is (or was, the last time I heard the organ). But infinite gradations of chorus trumpet do NOT make an instrument suited to play the LITERATURE ... sorry ... particularly not the ROMANTIC literature that GDH organs are supposed to be such a wonderful vehicle for.   If the organist wants an Oboe, let him HAVE an Oboe (grin). The needs of the LITERATURE certainly justify it.   I'm not particularly concerned about the addition of digital garbage to ancillary divisions, though the organ certainly doesn't NEED it ... the digitrash will fail after a period of years, and it's no big deal to remove it ... the pipes will still be there ...   The "endangered" St. John's Cathedral organ ... I've had several conversations with Don Pearson about that one ... yes, it's glorious ... BUT, it can't be HEARD for congregational singing when the cathedral is full, which is most of the time.   Most non-Episcopalians (and even younger Episcopalians) don't remember that when that organ was built, congregational singing was virtually nil in Episcopal cathedral services. Even as late as the 1940 Hymnal, the editors had no qualms about leaving high "f's" (and even one high G [!] ) in the soprano part because, as one wag put it, "the surest way to get Episcopalians to be QUIET was to announce a HYMN." It may seem strange to us, but the CHOIR sang the hymns, for the most part.   As far as service music, 99% percent of the Chant and Service Book of 1899 (and practically everything that Don sent me when he cleaned out his library of 1928 Prayer Book text Settings) was for CHOIR, *not* congregation.   My point: what the organ is called upon to do NOW is *not* what it was called upon to do in the 1930s when it was built.   I would agree that what's there should be left alone, and what's needed should be added in the west end (as was prepared for on the Kimball console).   St. Joseph's Cathedral, Buffalo - sorry, folks, but that is the WORST Hook and Hastings I have EVER played, and it wasn't because it wasn't in relatively good mechanical shape when I played it, because it was.We're not talkin' about "destroying" an instrument of the calibre of The Immaculate Conception or Holy Cross Cathedral here, but rather cleaning up a muddy and indistinct MESS.   Final point, and I'm off to fetch the asbestos outer-wear (grin): all three of these organs are working church organs. They're not museum-pieces. For good or for ill, they have to do what they're called upon to do in the Year of Grace 2001.   Cheers,   Bud (ducking)    
(back) Subject: RE: some heretical thoughts on St. Mark's, Philadelphia, St John's,Denver, St. Joseph's, Buffalo From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:47:58 -0800   Well, Bud, you won't have to duck here! I have not personally heard any = of the organs in question, but I was looking at a CD jacket with the St. = Marks stoplist and I noted an abundance of Trumpet ranks, too. I thought = perhaps the "Bombarde" division was there to allow what are basically Great reeds = to "float."   I also noted no Oboe, but the information provided that I read stated that there is a Clarinet 16, and a Rohr Schalmei 4 in the choir, the 4' = replacing the original flute in the 1960's. In any case it is an odd stoplist even for Aeolian Skinner and in the 30's. Perhaps the organist at the time was heavily involved and some of that was his or her fault.   I would be interested in more background on the Kimball project. Personally, while I am concerned about there being some need to conserve famous hallmark instruments, I think it is not nearly as bad to add to = them, than to rip them out.        
(back) Subject: Re: organ conservation From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:04:58 EST   In a message dated 2/5/01 0:41:26 AM EST, tommylee@whitlock.org writes:   > The sound of Duke's Flentrop probably depends as much as anything on = what > stop > combination the organist chose for whatever was being played, unless it =   was > you doing the playing ;). I was there while a student was preparing for a recital that he was to = give a coupl;e of weeks later. He was demo-ing the orgnas for some family members =   that were there.   He played one of the Bach fugues on the Aeolian then marched the party to = the rear (gallery) to play the same piecve on the Flentrop. Personally, I = liked the clarity of the Flentrop but to me the organ has no Gravity. the 16' = reed in the pedal was (to my ears) buzzy and lacked the kind of fundamental I would expect.(anemic is the word that comes to mind). FWIW I am quite an afficianado of Orchestral style organs, thus my interest in the Aeolian. I =   grew up where there are PLENTY of baroque-style organs (Metro DC area). I just prefer a more substantial sense of gravity from a big organ, and the Flentrop did not satisfy my liking for BOTTOM.   Of course that is only my opinion. ;-)   Rick M Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Re: organ conservation From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:13:26 EST   In a message dated 2/5/01 9:40:11 AM EST, Cremona502@cs.com writes:   > But you must admit, that's a much better alternative than > have token sounds from all periods homogenized into one behemoth that = does > justice to nothing!!   My feeling is that the Aeolian is what it's creators wanted to build. = Unlike modern do-it-all monsters like (with all due respect) the Calvary (NC) = Moller and the Ruffatti/AEolian-Skinner at the CrysCath, and ist COngo, LA, the Aeolian was not an attempt to be an all-things-to-all-people type of = organ. I t was meant to play the late-Victorian/Orchestral style of compositions = that were in vogue (i.e. Lemare's original works and transcritpions, stuff by Thalben-Ball, W T Best and that ilk). AND it does that type of thing very well when there is a player with that type of mentality (ala Tom = Murray)at the console. I only wish that I had the opportunity to play both the = Aeolian and the Flentrop for myself...in fact i'd LOVE to just crawl around the Aeolian with my measuring tools and a pad-and pencil to get the scaling = info, etc. since I have a strong interest in preserving this type of organ.   Ricvk M Staunton VA  
(back) Subject: Follow up on cheap CD's From: <MickBerg@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 17:40:06 EST     --part1_84.110689a3.27b085c6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi.   Ooops, I seem to have made a little faux-pas. The cheap CD's from Borders = are also available from the OHS catalog. Better to give your money to OHS than = to Borders, n'est ce pas? My apologies.   Mick Berg.   --part1_84.110689a3.27b085c6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>Hi. <BR> <BR>Ooops, I seem to have made a little faux-pas. The cheap CD's from = Borders are <BR>also available from the OHS catalog. Better to give your money to OHS = than to <BR>Borders, n'est ce pas? My apologies. <BR> <BR>Mick Berg.</FONT></HTML>   --part1_84.110689a3.27b085c6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: Follow up on cheap CD's From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 16:42:42 -0600   On the other hand, should Borders be encouraged to continue offering such fare through our purchases? Peter   -----Original Message----- From: MickBerg@aol.com [mailto:MickBerg@aol.com] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 4:40 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Follow up on cheap CD's     Hi.   Ooops, I seem to have made a little faux-pas. The cheap CD's from Borders are also available from the OHS catalog. Better to give your money to OHS than to Borders, n'est ce pas? My apologies.   Mick Berg.    
(back) Subject: Re: some heretical thoughts! From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 18:25:45 EST   Hi Bud:   I totally agree, that an organ needs a good balance of chorus reeds, as well as *color* and *solo* reeds. One must also observe that some of the ivory knobs of this century messed with organ design, and should have stayed completely out of the kitchen. St. Mary's Cathedral in SF was a major mistake in scaling, voicing, balance etc. CC was another. Nearly 40 Ruffati ranks in the CC have become solder. 14 more are on the way out. That's not smart, but wasteful! Most of the organ vandalism occurs because of organists treating organ builders as a step above Hot Tar Roofers. Visser in Texas has 49 ranks of Cavaille Coll ranks that were thrown out of organs in Paris. What replaced them? North German shreecky garbage of course! When the organist leaves in a few years the organ is ruined and they rip the rest out and throw it away.   St. John's Denver should perhaps be added to, SJTD in NYC too. Holtkamp Jr. said it all, in a recent article. When an organist gets his hands on an organ, you get a bunch of pretty stops that don't work together. An organ builder works to produce an ensemble and chorus building even on a small organ. Kimball's were terrific at that, Austin too. GDH went way too far, so did Fesperman, EP Biggs Henry Willis IV, Schlicker, even Holtkamp. EM Skinner was too far on the orchestral side but did produce Severance Hall organ. Then there are the too loud Fiskies, and yet they wanted to turn Immaculate Conception Boston into an office building and dump a glorious organ. It makes one really wonder if any sanity is left in the world. It's just plain crazy!   Rant over and not directed at you, but it had to come off my chest and now I feel much bettah now!   Regards, (Get well soon!)   Ron Severin