PipeChat Digest #1808 - Tuesday, February 6, 2001
 
Re: some heretical thoughts!
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
Re: June
  by "oj" <owenj@bigpond.com>
Re: organ conservation--Rutgers U.
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: some heretical thoughts
  by "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au>
Re: organ conservation--Rutgers U.
  by <TRACKELECT@cs.com>
My Interview made it to Front Page
  by "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca>
RE:  Some Heretical Thoughts
  by <Wurlibird1@aol.com>
RE: is there hope?
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: My Interview made it to Front Page
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Benoit (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE: is there hope?
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net>
Re: Benoit (X-posted)
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
RE: Benoit
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: is there hope?
  by "John  M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: some heretical thoughts! From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 06:32:32 -0500   Thanks Gary for the update on the Denver Mun. Aud. WurliTzer. Sold for $1200. ? Where-o-where was me and my shopping bag?!   Rick    
(back) Subject: Re: June From: "oj" <owenj@bigpond.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 23:17:46 +1100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00FF_01C09093.039EB9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I have found the source of this tune   Thanks to Lew Williams for the info   Owen ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: oj=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: June     Second Post, sorry folks first one didn't seem to work.   "JUNE" George Wright include this tune in one of latest cd's.   It is quite catchy. I heard it elsewhere, at the end of a Canadian =3D movie (I think) about bears. It was played by an orchestra in a slow tempo- =3D very beautiful.   Has anyone heard of this melody and where can I get a copy.   Thanks   Owen in OZ     ------=3D_NextPart_000_00FF_01C09093.039EB9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have found the source of this =3D tune</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks to Lew Williams for the =3D info</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Owen</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dowenj@bigpond.com = href=3D3D"mailto:owenj@bigpond.com">oj</A> =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 01, = =3D 2001 11:39=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> June</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Second Post, sorry folks first one = =3D didn't seem to=3D20 work.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>"JUNE"<BR>George Wright include = this =3D tune in one=3D20 of latest cd's.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>It is quite catchy. I heard it =3D elsewhere, at the=3D20 end of a Canadian movie (I<BR>think) about bears. It was played by = an=3D20 orchestra in a slow tempo- very<BR>beautiful.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Has anyone heard of this melody and = =3D where can I=3D20 get a copy.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Owen<BR>in=3D20 OZ<BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00FF_01C09093.039EB9A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: organ conservation--Rutgers U. From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 07:53:51 -0600   At 2/6/01 01:25 AM, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/6/01 1:18:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, = GRSCoLVR@aol.com >writes: > ><< some if not all of the practice pipe organs > at Rutgers were summarily disposed of in the dumpster last summer. >> > >Just be glad that you didn't have to tune them. > >Alan B >   Good morning, everyone!   Alan -- it sounds like you knew these instruments...? Perhaps you would = be so kind as to tell us how they were so terribly afflicted...so as to require such a drastic means of disposal.   Idle minds (no, wait -- that's *inquiring* minds) wanna know...! <g>   Tim   PS -- good point about not putting lead in landfills -- if 'ya wanna throw metal organ pipes away, don't throw them in a dumpster. Offer 'em to an organbuilder to dispose of, or *at least* take them to a scrap metal yard where the lead can be dealt with appropriately.  
(back) Subject: Re: some heretical thoughts From: "Bob Elms" <elmsr@albanyis.com.au> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 21:50:39 +0800   Sorry Bob, that may be true of the USA but it is not true of this country. The standard of Cathedral and church music here has climbed to a very high standard. Secular choirs such as we have in this city are singing church music for pulbic peformances with more than one performance to accommodate the crowd attending, and the people, many of whom are not church attenders love it. As for my state the number of organs has doubled in the past 50 years, and most have gone into churches - two organs to a church in several cases. You seem to have a sour attitude to things churchy and I am sorry for that. If the US is in such bad state church wise I am sorry for that too, but don't inflict your gloomy generalizations on us here, thank you! BTW I have just received my copy of a CD of the First Church of Christ Scientist organ in Boston, played by Gillian Weir - a church organ and Reubke's 94th Psalm. Errr... isn't that based on a religious theme? Bob Elms. PS. And also by the way the first remark you quoted, and which I have deleted, was made by someone else, not me. Apparently all in the US don't agree with you either.   Bob Scarborough wrote: > > Sometimes, reality's a bitch. And yes, this isn't Australia, true. = But > over a 35 year span of involvement, I've seen the whole milieu of church > music and organs spiral downward in the toilet of public opinion. The > "true believers" will still cling to what they love best,    
(back) Subject: Re: organ conservation--Rutgers U. From: <TRACKELECT@cs.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:50:44 EST   In a message dated 2/6/01 8:53:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, tmbovard@arkansas.net writes:   << Alan -- it sounds like you knew these instruments...? Perhaps you would = be so kind as to tell us how they were so terribly afflicted...so as to require such a drastic means of disposal. >>   Three things:   1. They were crowded into practice rooms. 2. They were played by college students and had the cigarette burns, = spilled coffee, and unidentifiable damage that goes with college students as well = as tremendous wear. 3. Mice.   Cheers:   Alan B  
(back) Subject: My Interview made it to Front Page From: "DanielW Hopkins" <danielwh1@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 10:59:55 -0400   My interview m ade it to the front page with color Photo included Danielwh '2000' E. Power Biggs Fellow    
(back) Subject: RE: Some Heretical Thoughts From: <Wurlibird1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 11:37:53 EST   Greetings,   Bob Scarborough writes:   > in many quarters no one much cares anymore about "church" organs< >and music anymore, save the orgo-freaks!<<     This seems to be a qualified statement >in many quarters< serving to do = so. May I share with the list experiences of this week at the Baylor = University Midwinter Organ conference. Sunday afternoon, Dr. Joyce Jones presented herself and selected Baylor organ students in recital to open the = conference. The initial program featured American organ music of the past 100 years. =   Attendance was pitifully sparse. Aside from a handful of conference registrants, nine students from the Vienna Conservatory, and Baylor music students filling their mandatory recital credits, the remaining audience = was virtually nonexistent. Conference registration is in decline yearly. I suppose we >orgo-freaks< are diminishing in number.   As I have observed previously, geographic location seems to have a heavy influence on organ popularity. In southern and southwestern states, the organ's prominence seems to be waning. I attribute this to the more = liberal music programs of the region which encompasses a more "gospel music" = flavor than in other geographic locales. That influence is not restricted to those "evangelical" and "charismatic" churches. It spills over into other mainline denominations who see phenomenal growth in the "evango-matic" congregations while their's remain =   static or in atrophy.   There are obvious exceptions to these observations but they are becoming = more seldom in frequency in my corner of the world. There is a huge effort to recruit young congregants. Their secular musical influences do not = include the organ but do include the individual acoustic instruments. It is from these youngsters that the future church will be sustained, hopefully. Go figure. What's more, clergy of the future will emerge from the same ranks =   and be more inclusive of these music forms which do not -- repeat -- do = not include pipe organs or their digital counterparts.   I do not envision concert and church organs going the way of the Wurlitzer = or Robert-Morton. Their primary reasons for existence ended with talking movies. However, I do speculate that the decline in organ popularity in = my geographic locale will continue for the reasons already stated and that is =   sad. My genuine hope is that my observations are skewed and that I am completely wrong. Trends seem to point to the contrary.   Jim Pitts      
(back) Subject: RE: is there hope? From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:24:32 -0800   Desert Bob, much of what you have said has real relevance for all of us. However, this country (US) is built on the premise of "live and let live." That means that just like there is a wondrous variety among the pipe and electronic organs being built today, there is the same variety between people and their tastes. In this age of multi media, there are simply = going to be those who need worship and life in general to be in the format of their daily existance. Has that not been the case throughout time? The music of Bach and the musical style of the day were the same style people listened to in their pubs. What is so different about churches and people today?   I don't agree that the only hope for the organ is in the public forum. I = do agree that getting the instrument out of the clouds and making it fun and relevant in both church and concert hall would help. I often play my own improvisations of people's favorite praise tunes in church - these can be very creative and fun, and people are very responsive. I also play repertoire. We have mostly people under 40 in attendance at my church and Fijian, Tongan, Hispanic, and homeless people who come every week. They = all add their own magic, and there is nothing terrible about our liturgy. = Yes, I cringe when people clap with the Fijian singers, but I suck it up, = smile, and go on.   Ranting and raving will do nothing to help the organ under any = circumstance, because if I do it in church they will remember that when they go to = Davies Hall and see the pipes or hear the organ.   I have chosen to embrace a broader side of my chosen branch of = Anglicanism. Bud in southern CA has embraced another. They are both valid and = attractive to many people. I would never personally work as a musician in or attend = a church where the music is all "follow the bouncing ball" and showy. However, I work in the office of a church that is leaning that direction = and it is a wonderful, welcoming, inclusive, and thought provoking place and I have been enriched by my work here. No I don't attend worship, but for = the @5,000 people that regularly do, if they find God or some form of = enrichment in so doing, who am I to look down on them? I'm don't think that is what you meant in your statements, but that is what I heard. Sincerely = offered, Randy   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Bob Scarborough Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 1:22 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: some heretical thoughts     If more people would shift focus MORE towards concert hall/public auditoria/school organ preservation/use/installation, we shall persevere. Otherwise, all bets = are off.   DeserTBoB      
(back) Subject: Re: My Interview made it to Front Page From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 18:31:13 -0500   Dear Daniel and Pipechatters, Earlier today Daniel W Hopkins wrote: > My interview made it to the front page with color Photo included Congratulations on making the front page.. Which publication was that? Is it available on-line?   Pat Maimone Post Chapel West Point, NY October 1975-present III/57 Aeolian-Skinner/Moeller console/Gress-Miles ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.  
(back) Subject: Benoit (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 16:29:49 -0800   A friend just gave me the fourth movement of "Paques, Suite Liturgique pour Orgue".   The five movements were published separately by J. Fischer ... I don't recall whether they also came bound together or not.   At any rate, the suite is POP ... if anyone has any of the other movements, I'd appreciate a copy. I'll be happy to apply for permission if anybody can remember who (if anyone) owns what's left of the J. Fischer catalog.   The movements:   1. Entree Pontificale sur "Resurrexi" 2. Retour de Procession (choral) 3. Terra tremuit et quievit (Offertoire) 4. Cantilene Pascale sur l'Alleluia 5. Sortie sur "Ite missa est, alleluia"   If you have any of these, please contact me privately for a fax number.   THANKS!   Bud    
(back) Subject: RE: is there hope? From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@arkansas.net> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:03:06 -0600   At 2/6/01 09:24 AM, Randy Terry responded to Bawb-o-de-Desert's earlier comments:   >I don't agree that the only hope for the organ is in the public forum. I = do >agree that getting the instrument out of the clouds and making it fun and >relevant in both church and concert hall would help.   Hi, everyone!   I should stay out of this...<huge grin>...but here goes anyways.   DB, I think I gotta take a rare chance to disagree with 'ya and go with Randy on this one.   I certainly concur that the organ 'as an instrument' would benefit greatly from increased exposure to the public in a secular environment. Fortunately, this *is* happening, albeit more slowly than we all might wish. Witness recent happenings in FL, OH, and CA with large concert organs in public environments.   As far as churches and church organs go..., I don't think I see their emminent demise. Churches and church music are changing no doubt -- perhaps in ways that *we* would collectively discourage -- but the key = word is "changing" -- not "dying". I wouldn't think that our society would allow "the church" to disappear (from a strictly social perspective, if nothing else). Even if "the church" is declining (and the jury seems most definitely to have *not* returned their verdict on that question yet...) we're MANY generations from its potential demise!   I see a very busy pipe-organ industry from my viewpoint, at the moment. Not all, but most, of this work is for churches. If the churches (or church music) are "declining", they're spending money on organ projects of all kinds while they do it! Of course, this situation is likely to change at some point in the future, somehow. (it might get better! -- who = knows?!) Again, these things take lots of time to happen.   In the meantime, there are people like *all of us* -- to not only keep watch, but to keep working towards promoting our instrument in whatever means we can. Let's not give up this d*** ship quite yet, please? <big = grin>   Cheers!   Tim Bovard Little Rock, AR (feeling oddly optimistic this evening, I guess...!?!)    
(back) Subject: Re: Benoit (X-posted) From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:39:02 -0600     quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > I'll be happy to apply for permission > if anybody can remember who (if anyone) owns what's left of the J. > Fischer catalog.   That would be AOL/Time-Warner, who bought CPP/Belwin, who bought H. W. Gray, who bought J. Fischer & Bro.   However, I think the Benoit is old enough that it may well be in public domain, and a visit to the local public library, and filing the = appropriate interlibrary loan request might bring results....   ns    
(back) Subject: RE: Benoit From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 17:54:17 -0800   I have a bunch of old Benoit books that I enherited when a 90 year old organist back home died. I'll look around Bud and see what they have in them. I've not cracked them but once and doubt I ever will again, so if = you want 'em they are yours. I don't think I saw anything but individual = short pieces, but I'll look closer. They are old and yellow, but the shipping won't be bad and you are close enough that maybe they won't be damaged further.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Noel Stoutenburg Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 5:39 PM To: quilisma@socal.rr.com; pipechat@pipechat.org; anglican-music@list.stsams.org Subject: Re: Benoit (X-posted)       quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > I'll be happy to apply for permission > if anybody can remember who (if anyone) owns what's left of the J. > Fischer catalog.   That would be AOL/Time-Warner, who bought CPP/Belwin, who bought H. W. Gray, who bought J. Fischer & Bro.   However, I think the Benoit is old enough that it may well be in public domain, and a visit to the local public library, and filing the = appropriate interlibrary loan request might bring results....   ns     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: is there hope? From: "John M. Doney" <jdoney@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 20:57:56 -0000   I, too, am glad to see these new organs going into the concert halls. My question is - once the opening hoopla is over, how much are they going to = be used? Will there be a municipal type organist a la Portland and San Diego that will give concerts? Or will they only be used to play the = Saint-Saens every so often. They need to be heard. Maybe we and the AGO can work toward this. Local chapters could push this effort.   I am close to the Naples FL organ, but other than a competition that they have each year, I don't hear much about individual recitals happening. John