PipeChat Digest #1814 - Friday, February 9, 2001
 
Hi
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
RE: Hi
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
PipeChat IRC Reminder
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: organist as organ designer
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: organist as organ designer
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
RE: organist as organ designer
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: organist as organ designer
  by "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org>
Organ CD Music is now online (X-Post)
  by "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net>
Obscure Ogan Music Search Request
  by <MUSCUR@aol.com>
Re: organist as organ designer
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Hi From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:05:03 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C092A1.4F60344E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Hi Malcolm, I had lost you address but wanted to contact you. I don't know if you remember me, you had invited me to listen to the new Mander @ St. Agnes on = E 44 st about 3-4 weeks ago, Jan 12 to be precise (I remember because it was the day after my birthday). I wasn't sure that I could make it due to a previous engagement in celebration of my birth with friends but as it all turns out, I couldn't do any of the above as I had an appt to have my carotid arteries rechecked due to the incompetency of a tester who earlier that week who screwed up the results. As it turned out, and hopefully in brief, there was chaos in the lab and panic and histeria as it turned out that I had a severely blocked carotid artery (99% blocked) and required immediate surgery which I underwent five days later due to my stalling and insistance that I have time to relax and think about it after all the hysterics and drama in the lab. Anyway not to bore you with my life I just want to thank you for the invitation and ask that you keep an option open for future of a similar situation where I might be allowed to come see an organ "in the flesh" again after 30 yrs. I also did stop by St. Agnes the day after (Sat 1/13) as I had returned to my office to shut down my = computer which I had left on the day before thinking I'd be back in the office = after the exam. It was late morning and I walked up to the altar rail turned and looked up and the organist was also practicing Missa de Angelis I guess = for a mass for which the sacristan{?} was preparing. What little I heard I was impressed. Sincerely, Robert   -----Original Message----- From: ManderUSA@aol.com [mailto:ManderUSA@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:05 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Small Pipe Organ in Seattle available     In a message dated 2/8/2001 6:17:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, = JKVDP@aol.com writes:         The instrument is in quite decent condition and removal is rather easy.       A most important piece of information wanted by most potential buyers is = the   size - width, depth, and height. This size instrument sounds like a possibility for a home installation, but height particularly is critical. Have you such dimensions?   Thanks,   Malcolm Wechsler     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C092A1.4F60344E Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3013.2600" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D437475313-09022001>Hi Malcolm,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D437475313-09022001>I had lost you address but wanted to contact you. I don't know if you remember = me, you had invited me to listen to the new Mander @ St. Agnes on E 44 st about = 3-4 weeks ago, Jan 12 to be precise (I remember because it was the day after = my birthday). I wasn't sure that I could make it due to a previous engagement = in celebration of my birth with friends but as it all turns out, I couldn't = do any of the above as I had an appt to have my carotid arteries rechecked due to = the incompetency of a tester who earlier that week who screwed up the results. = As it turned out, and hopefully in brief, there was chaos in the lab and panic = and histeria as it turned out that I had a severely blocked carotid artery = (99% blocked) and required immediate surgery which I underwent five days later = due to my stalling and insistance that I have time to relax and think about it = after all the hysterics and drama in the lab. Anyway not to bore you with my = life I just want to thank you for the invitation and ask that you keep an option = open for future of a similar situation where I might be allowed to come see an = organ "in the flesh" again after 30 yrs. I also did stop by St. Agnes the day = after (Sat 1/13) as I had returned to my office to shut down my computer which I = had left on the day before thinking I'd be back in the office after the exam. = It was late morning and I walked up to the altar rail turned and looked up and = the organist was also practicing Missa de Angelis I guess for a mass for which = the sacristan{?} was preparing. What little I heard I was impressed.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D437475313-09022001>Sincerely,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D437475313-09022001>Robert</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> ManderUSA@aol.com [mailto:ManderUSA@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 09, 2001 = 12:05 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Small Pipe = Organ in Seattle available<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT = face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a message dated 2/8/2001 6:17:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, JKVDP@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE=3D"CITE">The instrument is in quite decent condition and removal is =   <BR>rather easy.</FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial lang=3D0 = size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 = face=3DArial lang=3D0 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>A most important piece of = information wanted by most potential buyers is the <BR>size - width, depth, and = height. This size instrument sounds like a <BR>possibility for a home = installation, but height particularly is critical. <BR>Have you such dimensions? <BR><BR>Thanks, <BR><BR>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C092A1.4F60344E--  
(back) Subject: RE: Hi From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:16:18 -0500   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C092A2.DF06628E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   Oh God, Sorry everyone, this was to go ONLY to Malcolm. Please, all you others, pretend you did not even see this. Again, sorry, Robert Colasacco   -----Original Message----- From: COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:05 AM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: Hi     Hi Malcolm, I had lost you address but wanted to contact you. I don't know if you remember me, you had invited me to listen to the new Mander @ St. Agnes on = E 44 st about 3-4 weeks ago, Jan 12 to be precise (I remember because it was the day after my birthday). I wasn't sure that I could make it due to a previous engagement in celebration of my birth with friends but as it all turns out, I couldn't do any of the above as I had an appt to have my carotid arteries rechecked due to the incompetency of a tester who earlier that week who screwed up the results. As it turned out, and hopefully in brief, there was chaos in the lab and panic and histeria as it turned out that I had a severely blocked carotid artery (99% blocked) and required immediate surgery which I underwent five days later due to my stalling and insistance that I have time to relax and think about it after all the hysterics and drama in the lab. Anyway not to bore you with my life I just want to thank you for the invitation and ask that you keep an option open for future of a similar situation where I might be allowed to come see an organ "in the flesh" again after 30 yrs. I also did stop by St. Agnes the day after (Sat 1/13) as I had returned to my office to shut down my = computer which I had left on the day before thinking I'd be back in the office = after the exam. It was late morning and I walked up to the altar rail turned and looked up and the organist was also practicing Missa de Angelis I guess = for a mass for which the sacristan{?} was preparing. What little I heard I was impressed. Sincerely, Robert   -----Original Message----- From: ManderUSA@aol.com [mailto:ManderUSA@aol.com] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 12:05 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Small Pipe Organ in Seattle available     In a message dated 2/8/2001 6:17:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, = JKVDP@aol.com writes:         The instrument is in quite decent condition and removal is rather easy.       A most important piece of information wanted by most potential buyers is = the   size - width, depth, and height. This size instrument sounds like a possibility for a home installation, but height particularly is critical. Have you such dimensions?   Thanks,   Malcolm Wechsler     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C092A2.DF06628E Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.3013.2600" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D096151314-09022001>Oh God, Sorry everyone, this was to go ONLY to Malcolm. Please, all you = others, pretend you did not even see this.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D096151314-09022001>Again, sorry,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D096151314-09022001>Robert Colasacco</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> COLASACCO, ROBERT [mailto:RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 09, = 2001 9:05 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'PipeChat'<BR><B>Subject:</B> = Hi<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D437475313-09022001>Hi Malcolm,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D437475313-09022001>I had lost you address but wanted to contact you. I don't know if you = remember me, you had invited me to listen to the new Mander @ St. Agnes on E 44 = st about 3-4 weeks ago, Jan 12 to be precise (I remember because it was the = day after my birthday). I wasn't sure that I could make it due to a previous =   engagement in celebration of my birth with friends but as it all turns = out, I couldn't do any of the above as I had an appt to have my carotid = arteries rechecked due to the incompetency of a tester who earlier that week who screwed up the results. As it turned out, and hopefully in brief, there = was chaos in the lab and panic and histeria as it turned out that I had a = severely blocked carotid artery (99% blocked) and required immediate surgery = which I underwent five days later due to my stalling and insistance that I have = time to relax and think about it after all the hysterics and drama in the = lab. Anyway not to bore you with my life I just want to thank you for the invitation and ask that you keep an option open for future of a similar situation where I might be allowed to come see an organ "in the flesh" = again after 30 yrs. I also did stop by St. Agnes the day after (Sat 1/13) as I = had returned to my office to shut down my computer which I had left on the = day before thinking I'd be back in the office after the exam. It was late = morning and I walked up to the altar rail turned and looked up and the organist = was also practicing Missa de Angelis I guess for a mass for which the = sacristan{?} was preparing. What little I heard I was impressed.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D437475313-09022001>Sincerely,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#008000 face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN class=3D437475313-09022001>Robert</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #008000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> ManderUSA@aol.com [mailto:ManderUSA@aol.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 09, 2001 = 12:05 AM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Small = Pipe Organ in Seattle available<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>In a message dated 2/8/2001 = 6:17:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, JKVDP@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE=3D"CITE">The instrument is in quite decent condition and removal = is <BR>rather easy.</FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3DArial lang=3D0 = size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 = face=3DArial lang=3D0 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>A most important piece of = information wanted by most potential buyers is the <BR>size - width, depth, and = height. This size instrument sounds like a <BR>possibility for a home = installation, but height particularly is critical. <BR>Have you such dimensions? <BR><BR>Thanks, <BR><BR>Malcolm Wechsler</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C092A2.DF06628E--  
(back) Subject: PipeChat IRC Reminder From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:46:09 -0600   Just a reminder that the PipeChat IRC group will meet tonight beginning at 9PM EASTERN time. Over the last couple of weeks we have had several new people join in and we hope that they will continue. And of course, we always welcome new folks to the channel.   If you need information about how to connect to the channel please go to the PipeChat web site at: http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   Although I will not be joining in until later in the session due to a recital by Jeffrey Smith tonight here in Little Rock <http://www.cacago.org/>, I will be there as soon as I get home.   Hope to see you tonight.   David    
(back) Subject: Re: organist as organ designer From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:55:36 EST   Dear list members:   What about good, educated, knowledgeable organists as organ designers?   One of America's allegedly important builders builds organs with = absolutely NO regard for the literature. Not a SINGLE piece of music from ANY school = of literature can be played on one of his instruments. Even his mixtures are =   nowhere NEAR what Bach heard. Any attempt to play anything French from = the 18th, 19th, or 20th century on ANY of his instruments, large or small, is = met with complete frustration, as he has NEVER looked at the music.   Obviously, the first counter-argument will be, "It's a church organ, not a =   concert organ, so don't expect it to do anything other than play church services and hymns, you snob." Well, that's a great response, but it counters the idea that since the organ is dying, we might want to get it = out of the church and bring it back into the general musical mainstream.   Do NOT knock people for what they know. A good organist, one who has actually studied the music, its origins, and the history of the culture surrounding its literature, will know a great deal more about how an organ =   should be designed than one thinks. Are you selecting your organbuilder based upon the number of name plates he's engraved, or upon how usable and =   beautiful his instruments are, and how intelligently they are designed?   SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: organist as organ designer From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:57:53 EST   can one make a living at it? that's the question I would raise LOL  
(back) Subject: RE: organist as organ designer From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 09:59:03 -0600   Designs Buicks on the side....   -----Original Message----- From: Innkawgneeto@cs.com [mailto:Innkawgneeto@cs.com] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 9:58 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: organist as organ designer     can one make a living at it? that's the question I would raise LOL   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: organist as organ designer From: "COLASACCO, ROBERT" <RCOLASACCO@popcouncil.org> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 11:33:45 -0500   Hear, hear or is that here, here. Or in more contemporary terms, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! Absolutely. Do we forget that Bach was called on to not only sample but design instruments and take part in every aspect of organ design and building. Hel-lo!! And even if that were not the case how can one think for one minute that such an organist so trained and experienced and who knows, and lives quite frankly, the repertory, as described by Herr Big Tuba, if I may, could NOT design an instrument far superior to one who has not ever played a note other than to tune a pipe. Wake up, folks. Can there even be a debate! Robert Colasacco   > -----Original Message----- > From: TubaMagna@aol.com [mailto:TubaMagna@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:56 AM > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: organist as organ designer > > > Dear list members: > > What about good, educated, knowledgeable organists as organ designers? > > One of America's allegedly important builders builds organs > with absolutely > NO regard for the literature. Not a SINGLE piece of music > from ANY school of > literature can be played on one of his instruments. Even his > mixtures are > nowhere NEAR what Bach heard. Any attempt to play anything > French from the > 18th, 19th, or 20th century on ANY of his instruments, large > or small, is met > with complete frustration, as he has NEVER looked at the music. > > Obviously, the first counter-argument will be, "It's a church > organ, not a > concert organ, so don't expect it to do anything other than > play church > services and hymns, you snob." Well, that's a great response, but it > counters the idea that since the organ is dying, we might > want to get it out > of the church and bring it back into the general musical mainstream. > > Do NOT knock people for what they know. A good organist, one who has > actually studied the music, its origins, and the history of > the culture > surrounding its literature, will know a great deal more about > how an organ > should be designed than one thinks. Are you selecting your > organbuilder > based upon the number of name plates he's engraved, or upon > how usable and > beautiful his instruments are, and how intelligently they are > designed? > > SMG > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >  
(back) Subject: Organ CD Music is now online (X-Post) From: "Paul Soulek" <soulek@frontiernet.net> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:54:28 -0600   The music section of the Hendrickson site is now working. There are 16 songs there currently.   Access the site by going to http://hendricksonorgan.com and clicking on Music. Two instruments are featured: the 2/44 Opus 45 (1979) at First Lutheran in St. Peter, MN and the 4/70 organ at the Wayzata Community Church (UCC). I will update the lists when the rest of the files are uploaded. All files are CD quality and are rather large, but the music will stream. Have fun and happy listening!   Paul Soulek Website Administrator Hendrickson Organ Company  
(back) Subject: Obscure Ogan Music Search Request From: <MUSCUR@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:14:10 EST   Organist David Peckham (direct e-mail address: vethill1@juno.com (David S. =   Peckham) is hoping to locate print copies of the following two organ compositions. I offered to place the request on line for him, and any = help would be greatly appreciated:   Variations on Yankee Doodle by Sokoll (arranger, composer?) exists on a Welte orchestrion roll   Toccata by S. Lindblad exists on a recording by Per Frendahl   Thanks,   Dennis James muscur@aol.com  
(back) Subject: Re: organist as organ designer From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:02:51 -0800   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Dear list members: > > What about good, educated, knowledgeable organists as organ designers? >   I was fortunate to have been at Oberlin while Fenner Douglass was writing = "The Language of the French Classical Organ" ... we got virtually the whole = book in lectures in organ class ... as a result, I KNOW what's needed for French = baroque organ music (grin). Unfortunately the French organ Mass isn't much = practiced these days (grin).   Aside from organs intended to be played with orchestras (conventional = wisdow these days seems to dictate that they have to be ear-bleeding LOUD), I = don't think there's one kind of organ design for churches and another for = "recital" organs. Good organ design is good organ design. A good organ has = principal, flute and reed choruses on all divisions (at least in outline), a Pedal that is = capable of carrying soprano, alto, tenor or bass without resorting to couplers, = encased placement on the central axis of the room in an elevated position, and = slider chests. An organ intended to play 19th century music will have one = division under expression, and there will be something *substantial* IN the box = (including a celeste, if you please) so that it can be heard opening and closing = against the rest of the organ.   Notice that NONE of the above enters into questions of national styles OR = whether or not tracker action can/should be used. I'm speaking of the TONAL = appointments.   Such an organ would play the bulk of the literature, albeit with an = American or English or German or French accent, depending on the organist's and the = builder's tastes; it would also play a church service ... voluntaries, hymns, = anthems, solo accompaniments, etc.   An electric combination action may or may not be necessary, depending on = the size and design of the organ and the type of church service. The vast majority = of church services can be played with ventils and/or machine stops ... we = don't NEED to fiddle with the stops NEARLY as much as MOST of us DO (grin). Spend the = money on pipes, not gadgets. And the better the organ, the less the necessity = for constant fiddling. Of course these days Bench to Music Rack 16-8-4 etc. = usually comes with any solid-state package ... I suppose if it's there, one might = as well have it (grin). That DOESN'T mean, however, that one has to USE it.   I keep going back to the small 19th century organs in America ... they = could play just about anything, and play it well, with a minimum of stops. Surely = those voicing skills aren't a lost art ... singing Principals, liquid Flutes, = sturdy basses, Reeds that could serve as solo OR chorus, choruses that locked = together like an Erector set, etc. etc. etc. With today's prices, we could well = learn from them that less is indeed more, if built artistically.   Cheers,   Bud