PipeChat Digest #1818 - Sunday, February 11, 2001
 
RE: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
RE: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.
  by "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org>
Re: Education Needed???????
  by "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au>
Re: NBA volume 9
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Education -short
  by "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: NBA volume 9
  by "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is. From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:58:36 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C0938C.28BDB640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bruce, Bud said that, not me, and I don't think he is saying Preludes, Fantasias, etc., can't be used in church - but he doesn't do them. I = killed myself learning the ones I played in concert, and like Bud, I wouldn't = dare pick any of them up and try throwing them together (save maybe the G maj. prelude ONLY) with the practice time I have!   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Cremona502@cs.com Subject: Re: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.     In a message dated 2/10/01 8:34:20 PM !!!First Boot!!!, randyterryus@yahoo.com writes:         > I chose to learn a lot of the big Bach chorale preludes, rather than the > preludes and fugues, and that has stood me in good stead over the years. The preludes and fugues I *did* learn, I haven't touched in YEARS, because I'm full-time in a liturgical church where the position is 90% choirmaster and 10% organist, at > least in terms of time.       Come on, folks! There is absolutely NO reason why Preludes & Fugues, and other organ compositions/literature cannot be used as voluntaries in liturgical churches.     ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C0938C.28BDB640 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D930330302-11022001>Bruce,=3D20 Bud said that, not me, and I don't think he is saying Preludes, =3D Fantasias, etc.,=3D20 can't be used in church - but he doesn't do them.&nbsp; I killed myself = =3D learning=3D20 the ones I played in concert, and like Bud, I wouldn't dare pick any of = =3D them up=3D20 and try throwing them together (save maybe the G maj. prelude ONLY) with = =3D the=3D20 practice time I have!</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV align=3D3Dleft class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>Cremona502@cs.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Education Needed? Yep. =3D Sure=3D20 Is.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D face=3D3DArial lang=3D3D0=3D20 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 2/10/01 8:34:20 PM = =3D !!!First=3D20 Boot!!!, <BR>randyterryus@yahoo.com writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">&gt; I chose to learn a lot of the big Bach chorale =3D preludes,=3D20 rather than the <BR>&gt; preludes and fugues, and that has stood me = =3D in good=3D20 stead over the years. <BR>The preludes and fugues I *did* learn, I =3D haven't=3D20 touched in YEARS, because <BR>I'm full-time in a liturgical church =3D where the=3D20 position is 90% choirmaster <BR>and 10% organist, at <BR>&gt; least = =3D in terms=3D20 of time. <BR></FONT><FONT color=3D3D#000000 face=3D3DArial lang=3D3D0 = =3D size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT color=3D3D#000000 = =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 lang=3D3D0 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Come on, folks! &nbsp;There = is =3D absolutely NO=3D20 reason why Preludes &amp; Fugues, and <BR>other organ =3D compositions/literature=3D20 cannot be used as voluntaries in <BR>liturgical=3D20 churches.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000C_01C0938C.28BDB640--    
(back) Subject: RE: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is. From: "Randy Terry" <randyterry@laumc.org> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:00:17 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C0938C.64432380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   You go, Bud!! I'll bet the words keep flyin' but I gotta get this d*** program to Palo Alto!   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 5:55 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.     Bruce: your dislike of chorale-preludes is well-known. Fortunately it is = not shared by most organists and most congregations.   I am neither lazy nor stupid. Nor am I ignorant of the requirements and rhythm of the Sacred Liturgy. My credentials are quite in order, thank you very much.         ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C0938C.64432380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">     <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT color=3D3D#0000ff face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><SPAN =3D class=3D3D360130702-11022001>You=3D20 go, Bud!!&nbsp; I'll bet the words keep flyin' but I gotta get this d*** = =3D program=3D20 to Palo Alto!</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV align=3D3Dleft class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>quilisma@socal.rr.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 10, 2001 = =3D 5:55=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> PipeChat<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Education Needed? =3D Yep. Sure=3D20 Is.<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>Bruce: your dislike of chorale-preludes is =3D well-known.=3D20 Fortunately it is not shared by most organists and most congregations. = =3D   <P>I am neither lazy nor stupid. Nor am I ignorant of the requirements = =3D and=3D20 rhythm of the Sacred Liturgy. My credentials are quite in order, thank = =3D you=3D20 very much.=3D20 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3D"CITE"> <P>&nbsp;</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C0938C.64432380--    
(back) Subject: Re: Education Needed??????? From: "Mark Hummel" <mhummel@pcug.org.au> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:41:19 +1100 (EST)   Dear Jason,   Having just graduated from "College" I feel qualified to give you some unqualifed advice ;-)   You are going into college with considerable knowledge and experience. This could be an indication that you should look for challenges worthy of this knowledge while at the same time broadening your experience.   As an aside, people who attend college for solely for credentials or for work tend not to enjoy their study as much as those who attend for more "pure" acedemic reasons.   Of course, this must be tempered with realism - college is costly, there are other committments etc. I think you should look upon college as an opportunity to raise the standard on your education. Others have already given excellent advice concerning theory, so I will only reiterate this here.   Above all, try and enjoy your study; find something interesting and hopefully new. (I think this is the point I wanted to make...)   This has ended up a bit condescending (not my intention) - I don't mean to lecture, this is of course advice to be taken or ignored as you see fit,   best of luck,   Mark.      
(back) Subject: Re: NBA volume 9 From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 23:26:42 -0600       "COLASACCO, ROBERT" wrote:   > Can anyone on this list who has the Baerenreiter editions give a brief > critique? Are they worth getting? I have the Schweitzer/Widors since the = 60s > when I paid $5.00 per volume, and I mean the good larger buffed paper > edition not that crap their printing them on now with Bach's face on the > cover. Anyway, what about the B=E4renreiter editions...good?   I like the B=E4renreiter; it is the only complete set I have. Of course, = B~ is the only source for the material in volume 9.    
(back) Subject: Re: Education -short From: "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:02:24 -0800 (PST)     --- Mark Hummel <mhummel@pcug.org.au> wrote: > Above all, try and enjoy your study; find something interesting and > hopefully new. (I think this is the point I wanted to make...)   Oops. One other thought. Take adventage of the time in college. It is = very hard to do when you've already been in school for years and years, but I = wasted my early college - the years my folks so graciously paid for. When I = returned to school as an *adult* at 25 (! of course at 38 I see a 25 year old as a = mere kindergardener) I worked one, then two, then finally three jobs together = with school. I can still remember thinking prof. Dr. Janette Fishell had a = screw loose when she suggested I sell my new car (mois?!!) and ride a bike. She wasn't kidding, and just may have had a point, but I still wouldn't sell = my car! I would, however, on hindsight, taken lots more advantage of what I = was offered.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: NBA volume 9 From: "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:09:22 -0800 (PST)     --- Noel Stoutenburg <mjolnir@ticnet.com> wrote:   > Anyway, what about the B=E4renreiter editions...good? > > I like the B=E4renreiter; it is the only complete set I have. Of = course, B~ is > the only source for the material in volume 9. >   My first teacher made me get the Dupre (do they still make them?) which = has a lot of editorial stuff that flys in the face of current thinking, and even = if that was not the case, I like to write in my own marks - especially = fingering as needed.   I also have the complete Widor/S. Nothing wrong with them. Older = editions I inherited. I find myself using them rather than Dupre.   I am currently filling in gaps - mostly all chorale related stuff, and I = LOVE the Barenreiter. Good paper, good covers that don't fall off after you = have played a piece for a year while learning it like the Dupre P & F's. I = don't mind the editorial markings either.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/