PipeChat Digest #1823 - Tuesday, February 13, 2001
 
Re: Any list members in Sydney, Australia?
  by "Robert Fox" <foxy@kbdnet.net.au>
Re: Balcony Placements...
  by "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net>
London
  by "r" <basset3@warwick.net>
Re: More details-Sale of Martin Ott Tracker Organ
  by <ManderUSA@aol.com>
Re: More details-Sale of Martin Ott Tracker Organ
  by "Charles Harder" <Charder@ties.k12.mn.us>
Re: Balcony Placements...
  by "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Balcony Placements...
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: More details-Sale of Martin Ott Tracker Organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
HELP! Historic Organ is to be distroyed!
  by <TheOrganst@aol.com>
Re: Balcony Placements...
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Balcony Placements...
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
questions, questions
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: questions, questions
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Any list members in Sydney, Australia? From: "Robert Fox" <foxy@kbdnet.net.au> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:32:45 +1100   Hello Tommylee     Feel free to contact me if you are interested in seing a couple of nice organs in the city area. I'm the Head of Music/Performing Arts in a large boys' school looking over Sydney Harbour.   You'll probably also hear from Mark Quarmby and Pastor de Lasala, who I think are also list members.   Best wishes     Robert Fox Shore School Phone 9956 1132    
(back) Subject: Re: Balcony Placements... From: "VEAGUE" <dutchorgan@svs.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:19:10 -0500   St. Mary's RC church in Farmington, NM had the 2 manual Kilgen console = down by the altar and the choir/pipes in the balcony in back. Time-lag between the organist and choir. We cut the wires on the old 2-manual console down front and lifted a 3-maunal console (via hand-cranked cherry picker) onto the balcony and wired it back up. The facade was a shakey 2x4 mess nailed to supports. Last I heard it worked out ok with the choir and organist.   We had a flamed copper trumpet we wanted enchamade over the balcony = rail, and I jokingly told the Monsignore to put in a marimba for the Mexican/Navajo congregation. He was all for it!   Rick    
(back) Subject: London From: "r" <basset3@warwick.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:04:28 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0051_01C09593.969D5B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I'll be in London on Friday for the weekend. Might any list members =3D there be practicing on Fri or Sat and allow a brief look/see at the =3D organ? Please respond privately. Thanks.   Robert Clooney (Middletown, NY)   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0051_01C09593.969D5B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1" =3D http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>I'll be in London on Friday for the weekend.&nbsp; = =3D Might any=3D20 list members there be practicing on Fri or Sat and allow a brief =3D look/see at the=3D20 organ?&nbsp; Please respond privately.&nbsp; Thanks.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2>Robert Clooney (Middletown, =3D NY)</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0051_01C09593.969D5B80--    
(back) Subject: Re: More details-Sale of Martin Ott Tracker Organ From: <ManderUSA@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:25:26 EST     --part1_ee.1111c32a.27ba9dd6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/12/2001 6:35:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, pnst@earthlink.net writes:     > The congregation voted to liquidate this asset   What a way to think about an organ! One assumes there was once an organist =   with a brain and a music program to match. Acquiring an instrument of that =   quality doesn't happen on a whim. I also assume the present organist is = not wringing his/her hands in despair over the loss of this instrument. There will now be more room for drums, and more "keyboards." This does not sound =   like very Lutheran behavior, and there must be some organists in the area shaking their heads in disbelief, not that that would mean anything to the =   church.   So, we need to be more concerned for the organ than for this congregation = (he said, revealing his pronounced prejudices!). It could be a great deal for some church with informed hopes for their music program, but without the budget to match, but with a building sufficient to hold the instrument. I trust they have been made aware of the Organ Clearing House.   Malcolm Wechsler (hoping his church does not liquidate the asset he so = enjoys playing every Sunday).       --part1_ee.1111c32a.27ba9dd6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#ffffff"><FONT = SIZE=3D2>In a message dated 2/12/2001 6:35:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, <BR>pnst@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The congregation = voted to liquidate this asset</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 = FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>What a way to think about an organ! One assumes there was once an = organist <BR>with a brain and a music program to match. Acquiring an instrument of = that <BR>quality doesn't happen on a whim. I also assume the present organist = is not <BR>wringing his/her hands in despair over the loss of this instrument. = There <BR>will now be more room for drums, and more "keyboards." This does not = sound <BR>like very Lutheran behavior, and there must be some organists in the = area <BR>shaking their heads in disbelief, not that that would mean anything to = the <BR>church. <BR> <BR>So, we need to be more concerned for the organ than for this = congregation (he <BR>said, revealing his pronounced prejudices!). It could be a great deal = for <BR>some church with informed hopes for their music program, but without = the <BR>budget to match, but with a building sufficient to hold the = instrument. I <BR>trust they have been made aware of the Organ Clearing House. <BR> <BR>Malcolm Wechsler (hoping his church does not liquidate the asset he so = enjoys <BR>playing every Sunday). &nbsp; <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_ee.1111c32a.27ba9dd6_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: More details-Sale of Martin Ott Tracker Organ From: "Charles Harder" <Charder@ties.k12.mn.us> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:42:28 -0600   ManderUSA@aol.com wrote:   > What a way to think about an organ! One assumes there was once an > organist > with a brain and a music program to match. Acquiring an instrument of > that > quality doesn't happen on a whim.   I was going to stay out of commenting on the Aurora Ott organ. I was so surprised and saddened to see the action the church is taking. Back in 1985 when the organ was new, and I had just moved to Aurora, I decided to visit the Grace Lutheran Church, simply because it was Lutheran. Upon entering a spacious contemporary designed sacntuary I was immediatlely impressed with beautiful organ in the gallery and the fine literature being played. They had a fine organist. She was active in the Local AGO chapter there and had been responsible for securing the Ott intrument. I also remember how few people there were in the congregation and that the congregation did not sing very well. At least when I started singing, normally, many turned to look and see who was singing. After church I stayed and listened to the postlude. That surprised the organist, who then invited me up to the gallery to see the organ. She immediatley encouraged me to come practice on it and gave me a set of church keys. I also then substituted there for her.   I also remember a recital there my MaryAnne Webb and particulary remember the exciting E Minor Prelude and Fugue (the Wedge). It sounded so great on the organ.   I lived in Aurora for just a short time.   It is so sad to hear this church is at the point where it must close its doors or find a new ministry. Perhaps it is better to sell off this organ than to let it sit, collect dust, deteriorate or get vandalized. It is encouraging that Martin Ott is still taking an interest in this instrument.   Charles Harder  
(back) Subject: Re: Balcony Placements... From: "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 07:50:48 -0800 (PST)     --- VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> wrote: > St. Mary's RC church in Farmington, NM had the 2 manual Kilgen console = down > by the altar and the choir/pipes in the balcony in back.   St. Peters currently has the organ in a gallery chamber. The choir and = console are upstairs. I have always fought for the gallery placememnt over the = chancel because of the musical and logistical (choir/organist doesn't disturb the service) merits.   Now, there are a handful of people who have voices and want to sing, but = can't climb the many steps going up and down several times each service. In = this church, you also feel extremely removed from the congregation when = upstairs.   I am trying very hard to move the choir and console to the main floor at = the back of the nave under the pipes. I propose data ports upstairs and = downstairs to allow the restoration of the original set-up should that ever be = desirable.   Any ideas??   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Muisc, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Balcony Placements... From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:31:31 EST     --part1_12.8b8682e.27babb63_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Mike, You have multiple problems to overcome. No position is perfect. I think =   you will find, however, that most people in the congregation prefer to = have the choir in the front. It makes them easier to understand and hear, IMO. = In addition, when attendance is down, people are generally moved to the front, which leaves the choir and organ farther removed from the worship experience.   Singing from a gallery is the best. Having the organ in a gallery = speaking straight down the axis of the room is wonderful. ONLY if the gallery is = in the front! Placing the music in the back diminishes the clarity = thereof. As I like to point out: If God want the choir in the back of the church = He'd have put our ears on the opposite way!   I'm assuming from your description that you have a divided choir loft. = This is my preference both visually and musically. When the choir is small, = they can all sit on one side facing the director; when the choir is large, = mirrors can easily be added for visual contact, and, further, if resources are available (and it only takes two on each part!), the choir may be divided with a complete group on each side. This does work with amateur choirs = and it promotes independence for singers. It's the next best thing to singing = in quartets, which is fairly advance.   I think you would be happier with the results if you spend the money on improving your present situation and enlarging the organ where it is. The =   bulk of your resources may be consumed by a move. Placing your console = on a moveable platform will make things easier as well.   If the chancel area is properly designed and configured, the choir facing across the chancel will not make much difference that if they face the congregation. The sound will be well-blended and compensation can be = made in diction for a good result.   Can you share more information on the instrument? and the layout of the chancel?     Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_12.8b8682e.27babb63_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Mike, <BR>You have multiple problems to overcome. &nbsp;No position is perfect. = &nbsp;&nbsp;I think <BR>you will find, however, that most people in the congregation prefer to = have <BR>the choir in the front. &nbsp;It makes them easier to understand and = hear, IMO. &nbsp; <BR>In addition, when attendance is down, people are generally moved to = the <BR>front, which leaves the choir and organ farther removed from the = worship <BR>experience. <BR> <BR>Singing from a gallery is the best. &nbsp;Having the organ in a = gallery speaking <BR>straight down the axis of the room is wonderful. &nbsp;&nbsp;ONLY if = the gallery is in <BR>the front! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Placing the music in the back diminishes = the clarity thereof. &nbsp; <BR>As I like to point out: &nbsp;If God want the choir in the back of the = church He'd <BR>have put our ears on the opposite way! <BR> <BR>I'm assuming from your description that you have a divided choir loft. = &nbsp;This <BR>is my preference both visually and musically. &nbsp;&nbsp;When the = choir is small, they <BR>can all sit on one side facing the director; when the choir is large, = mirrors <BR>can easily be added for visual contact, and, further, if resources are =   <BR>available (and it only takes two on each part!), the choir may be = divided <BR>with a complete group on each side. &nbsp;&nbsp;This does work with = amateur choirs and <BR>it promotes independence for singers. &nbsp;It's the next best thing = to singing in <BR>quartets, which is fairly advance. <BR> <BR>I think you would be happier with the results if you spend the money = on <BR>improving your present situation and enlarging the organ where it is. = &nbsp;The <BR>bulk of your resources may be consumed by a move. &nbsp;&nbsp;Placing = your console on a <BR>moveable platform will make things easier as well. &nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>If the chancel area is properly designed and configured, the choir = facing <BR>across the chancel will not make much difference that if they face the =   <BR>congregation. &nbsp;&nbsp;The sound will be well-blended and = compensation can be made <BR>in diction for a good result. <BR> <BR>Can you share more information on the instrument? &nbsp;&nbsp;and the = layout of the <BR>chancel? <BR> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" = FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"><I>Bruce = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Calisto MT" = LANG=3D"0">Cremona502@cs.com</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 = FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"> &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Calisto MT" LANG=3D"0">with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest = ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</I></FONT></HTML>   --part1_12.8b8682e.27babb63_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: More details-Sale of Martin Ott Tracker Organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:07:21 EST     --part1_26.112a85df.27bac3c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/13/01 2:26:46 PM !!!First Boot!!!, ManderUSA@aol.com writes:     > This does not sound > like very Lutheran behavior, and there must be some organists in the = area > shaking their heads in disbelief, not that that would mean anything to = the > church. >   It is really sad when churches opt to become social organizations rather = than worshiping communities. There are many social organizations that can and = do accomplish this work, and the church should certainly be a part of this. = But worship should come first. I once heard a minister say, "when the = desire to serve God, becomes greater than the desire to know God, this indicates = a lack of love for God."   When the money from the organ is gone, I wonder what they will sell next. =   Perhaps they have an old silver communion service or an historic Bible!   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_26.112a85df.27bac3c9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/13/01 2:26:46 PM !!!First = Boot!!!, ManderUSA@aol.com <BR>writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This does not = sound <BR>like very Lutheran behavior, and there must be some organists in the = area <BR>shaking their heads in disbelief, not that that would mean anything to = the <BR>church. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>It is really sad when churches opt to become social organizations = rather than <BR>worshiping communities. &nbsp;There are many social organizations that = can and do <BR>accomplish this work, and the church should certainly be a part of = this. &nbsp;But <BR>worship should come first. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I once heard a minister = say, "when the desire <BR>to serve God, becomes greater than the desire to know God, this = indicates a <BR>lack of love for God." <BR> <BR>When the money from the organ is gone, I wonder what they will sell = next. &nbsp; <BR>Perhaps they have an old silver communion service or an historic = Bible! <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" = FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"><I>Bruce = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Calisto MT" = LANG=3D"0">Cremona502@cs.com</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 = FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"> &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Calisto MT" LANG=3D"0">with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest = ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</I></FONT></HTML>   --part1_26.112a85df.27bac3c9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: HELP! Historic Organ is to be distroyed! From: <TheOrganst@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:22:26 EST     --part1_98.10819c8d.27bac752_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Roosevelt Memorial Park in Gardena CA. is the home of the world famous = 4/17 outdoor Wurlitzer Pipe Organ. I have been the organist and curator for several years now and just received a phone call from the board of = directors that they are seriously considering the destruction of the organ and organ =   building to make room for Mausoleum space. The organ has been, for all practical purposes, unplayable for many years. I've kept it running and in = a choice restorable/rebuildable condition. This organ had a listening radius = of at least 5 miles. I need HELP. They are interested in = restoring/rebuiliding but they do not have the funds to do so. The cemetery is a not-for-profit entity and there is a special Wurlitzer Organ Fund already established = thanks to me. I do not know how much time I have to come up with ideas so I'm = asking for any and all ideas or contributions.   We as organist's, CANNOT allow them to destroy or sell this once glorious instrument. Installation of this organ in any other location other than outdoors would be unsuccessful. It should stay where it was originally designed and intended. Please visit my website and see for yourself the wonderful history and story of this magnificent organ. This is NOT a = theater organ by nature but more a concert organ by design even though the specs = are semi theatrical.   Please do not contact the park directly. All questions and suggestions = need to come to me.   I await your help and suggestions. Please, no smart ass retorts. I haven't =   got the time nor the desire to hear from anti Wurlitzer snobs.   Kyle B. Irwin Organist-Curator http://members.aol.com/theorganst/Page1.html#Roosevelt Memorial Park   --part1_98.10819c8d.27bac752_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Roosevelt Memorial Park = in Gardena CA. is the home of the world famous 4/17 <BR>outdoor Wurlitzer Pipe Organ. I have been the organist and curator for =   <BR>several years now and just received a phone call from the board of = directors <BR>that they are seriously considering the destruction of the organ and = organ <BR>building to make room for Mausoleum space. The organ has been, for all =   <BR>practical purposes, unplayable for many years. I've kept it running = and in a <BR>choice restorable/rebuildable condition. This organ had a listening = radius of <BR>at least 5 miles. I need HELP. They are interested in = restoring/rebuiliding <BR>but they do not have the funds to do so. The cemetery is a = not-for-profit <BR>entity and there is a special Wurlitzer Organ Fund already established = thanks <BR>to me. I do not know how much time I have to come up with ideas so I'm = asking <BR>for any and all ideas or contributions. <BR> <BR>We as organist's, CANNOT allow them to destroy or sell this once = glorious <BR>instrument. Installation of this organ in any other location other = than <BR>outdoors would be unsuccessful. It should stay where it was originally =   <BR>designed and intended. Please visit my website and see for yourself = the <BR>wonderful history and story of this magnificent organ. This is NOT a = theater <BR>organ by nature but more a concert organ by design even though the = specs are <BR>semi theatrical. <BR> <BR>Please do not contact the park directly. All questions and suggestions = need <BR>to come to me. <BR> <BR>I await your help and suggestions. Please, no smart ass retorts. I = haven't <BR>got the time nor the desire to hear from anti Wurlitzer snobs. <BR> <BR>Kyle B. Irwin <BR>Organist-Curator <BR>http://members.aol.com/theorganst/Page1.html#Roosevelt Memorial = Park</FONT></HTML>   --part1_98.10819c8d.27bac752_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Balcony Placements... From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:32:17 -0800   Randy - a "stair-climber" would be about $5000 ... would that be cheaper = than moving the console (grin)? ... but I'm surprised, being in California as = we both are, that you aren't REQUIRED to have an ELEVATOR for handicapped access. = We have to have one in the new church, unless we provide "equivalent space" (choir = seating and a second organ) somewhere on the main floor. That may be my "out" for = what to do with Le Grand Hammond (grin). But we'll still have to have either a stair-climber or an elevator to get to the choir loft, mostly because of = me (grin). *I* can't climb stairs.   Can't the Eucharistic ministers bring communion to the balcony? That would = save one up-and-down trip.   I'm SURE that we will either do away with choir processionals and = recessionals altogether in the new building, or at most the able-bodied members of the = choir will go downstairs and march about ... I have a couple NOW that aren't = able, and we're on the main floor in the back.   I think you'll be disappointed in the SOUND of the choir on the main = floor; and if they're UNDER the balcony, it'll be very difficult to hear the organ. Even = if the balcony doesn't overhang the nave, the sound of the organ is likely to go = over their heads, and it'll be hard to hear balance.   Cheers,   Bud, who would have LOVED to have a divided chancel in front, but it would = have increased the size (AND cost) of the new building by 1/3.   randy terry wrote:   > --- VEAGUE <dutchorgan@svs.net> wrote: > > St. Mary's RC church in Farmington, NM had the 2 manual Kilgen console = down > > by the altar and the choir/pipes in the balcony in back. > > St. Peters currently has the organ in a gallery chamber. The choir and = console > are upstairs. I have always fought for the gallery placememnt over the = chancel > because of the musical and logistical (choir/organist doesn't disturb = the > service) merits. > > Now, there are a handful of people who have voices and want to sing, but = can't > climb the many steps going up and down several times each service. In = this > church, you also feel extremely removed from the congregation when = upstairs. > > I am trying very hard to move the choir and console to the main floor at = the > back of the nave under the pipes. I propose data ports upstairs and = downstairs > to allow the restoration of the original set-up should that ever be = desirable. > > Any ideas?? > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Randy Terry > Minister of Muisc, Organist & Choirmaster > The Episcopal Church of St. Peter > Redwood City, California > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Balcony Placements... From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:29:00 -0600   I agree, as a member of the congregation, I don't like to have the or= gan in the balcony. I like it up front where it will be more a part of the service, easier to hear, and nice to look at. I was just at a concert where the organ was in the balcony and my ear= s *were on backwards, I'm hard of hearing and I wish I could have sat in t= he balcony with the organ. I just removed a Votteler organ from a balcony. The church did have = the choir up there also, (years ago) but now they are up front where everyone seems to like it. The M=F6ller that I'm installing in my church has the swell to the le= ft and the great to the right of the altar, The console has enough wire to allow it to be rolled out 'front row center' if desired. Just my opinion, Luther > Placing the music in the back diminishes the clarity thereof. As I like to point out: If God want the choir in the back of the chu= rch He'd have put our ears on the opposite way! Bruce ~ <      
(back) Subject: questions, questions From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:19:10 -0600   I have several questions for the wisdom of the list.... First the easy yes/no ones:   1) Does anyone have an organ-alone arrangement of the accompaniment for the Dubois 7 Last Words? There does not seem to be one in print at the moment. I thought perhaps there was one once when the work was more popular. We have one which is very pianistic - and the organ part that goes with full orch.   2) Does anyone know of a good recording of Vaughn Williams Song of Thanksgiving?   Now the more complicated question:   The choral group I direct is preparing 2 works which, while not in Old English, are certainly in old-er English - and we have a pronunciation question - First "Richard de Castre's Prayer to Jesus" - has the spelling "Jhesu" - Is the initial consonant Y as in Latin, or J as in English? And is the e as in Latin or long e as in English Jesus? Then we have "Song of the Passion" by George Oldroyd (When I think on Jesu's blood) - which contains "Jesu", "Christis", and "Jesu Christ". We have tried various Latin and English pronunciations and they all sound odd. Is anyone familiar with these 2 texts or simply familiar with correct pronunciation for 15th century English??   Thank you ever so much! Reply privately, as these issues won't be of much interest to the general list.   Margo Dillard Organist, First United Methodist Church Lewisville, Texas    
(back) Subject: Re: questions, questions From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:39:59 -0800       Margo Dillard wrote:   > I have several questions for the wisdom of the list.... First the easy > yes/no ones: > > 1) Does anyone have an organ-alone arrangement of the accompaniment for > the Dubois 7 Last Words? There does not seem to be one in print at the > moment. I thought perhaps there was one once when the work was more > popular. We have one which is very pianistic - and the organ part that > goes with full orch.   G. Schirmer printed an organ score some years ago .... if it's out of = print, it should be available through interlibrary loan.   Cheers,   Bud, who's not gonna TOUCH the pronunciation questions (grin)