PipeChat Digest #1826 - Thursday, February 15, 2001
 
Re: ACCHO website is awesome
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: ACCHO
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: questions, questions
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: Tuning the organ (xpost)
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Tuning the organ (xpost)
  by "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: ACCHO website is awesome
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
Re: Martin Ott organ pictures
  by "Lisa Gustafson" <lisaviolin@mindspring.com>
Re: Leather Coupler
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Pictures On Organ Music Covers
  by "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: ACCHO
  by "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net>
Re: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.
  by "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net>
Re: Time management (was "Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.")/  CHarterhous
  by "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net>
Re: Tuning the organ (xpost)
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Tuning the organ (xpost)
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Time management
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com>
Re: Tuning the organ
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com>
Re: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.
  by "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net>
Big Pipes ACCHO
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Big Pipes ACCHO
  by "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Re: Big Pipes ACCHO
  by "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Time management (was "Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.")/  CHarterhous
  by "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Tuning the organ
  by "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com>
Re: Big Pipes ACCHO
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: ACCHO website is awesome From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:37:01 -0500   >What is the ACCHO? How do I get to their webpages if I don't know what = it >is?? >   Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ society   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: ACCHO From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 07:40:31 -0500   > Interesting website!!!!! Thats one monster i would not want to = tune. > One question......why would anyone want a reed on 100" of wind? I get >headaches tuning Tubas on 10"...with ear plugs. Regards, Alan C.   you have to both BE there and Hear it to believe it, then you'll = understand.   "It's like the voice of God coming at you.."   John V      
(back) Subject: Re: questions, questions From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:03:23 -0600   A big thank you to everyone for your responses.   Everyone seems to agree with us on the pronunciations - just wanted to make sure since it just sounded odd.   And yes - I know it is no big deal to adapt the organ part from the piano score or the full orchestra score for that matter, but 1) I knew this score dated from an era when many major works had published organ reductions and 2) with an organ concert, 2 other concerts, and 3 major works to accompany in a two month period, in between working and teaching, I'm perfectly happy to save the time if someone else has already done it. Thanks for the many loan offers.   Thanks again for being the "brain trust" you always are. Margo   Bob Scarborough wrote:   > At 08:00 PM 2/13/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >I instruct my choir to sing it as such "Yayzu".<snip> > > Correct. > > dB > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning the organ (xpost) From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:33:11 -0500   dBob:   The builder was Walcker in Klein Blittersdorf, Germany, eleven years ago. It was before my time here, so I don't know what the rationale was.   The instrument is writ up in TAO, about June 1990, with cover photo. The spec printed there says equal temperament, A=3D440. So why I've been told = so definitely by our organists and service folk that it's in fact at 444, I know not.   Thanks, Bob, for your very helpful remarks--which I'll be reviewing with = our service guy and the performing people who're bothered about this.   Alan   > From: Bob Scarborough <desertbob@rglobal.net> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:38:55 -0800 > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Re: Tuning the organ (xpost) > > Just what builder builds to A =3D 444, anyway? Is this yet another = example > of "retro-faddishness"?    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning the organ (xpost) From: "Alan Freed" <afreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:37:24 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --MS_Mac_OE_3064988244_7630278_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit   Bruce:   Thank you. An eminently practical (and practicable) suggestion. And = "yes" to your precautionaries.   Alan   From: Cremona502@cs.com Subject: Re: Tuning the organ (xpost)   I would suggest simply having some of the orchestra people come over and = try tuning with the organ. Be sure that it is at approxiamtely the time of = the concert and, if possible in similar weather conditions with "climate control" as it might be at the time of performance.       --MS_Mac_OE_3064988244_7630278_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Tuning the organ (xpost)</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> Bruce:<BR> <BR> Thank you. &nbsp;An eminently practical (and practicable) suggestion. = &nbsp=3D ;And &quot;yes&quot; to your precautionaries.<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><B>From: </B>Cremona502@cs.com<BR> <B>Subject: </B>Re: Tuning the organ (xpost)<BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">I would suggest simply having some of the orchestra = peop=3D le come over and try <BR> tuning with the organ. &nbsp;Be sure that it is at approxiamtely the time = o=3D f the <BR> concert and, if possible in similar weather conditions with = &nbsp;&quot;cli=3D mate <BR> control&quot; as it might be at the time of performance. <BR> <BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --MS_Mac_OE_3064988244_7630278_MIME_Part--    
(back) Subject: RE: ACCHO website is awesome From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:18:16 -0600   Randy:   Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ (Friends of the).   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: randy terry [mailto:randyterryus@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 8:33 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: ACCHO website is awesome       What is the ACCHO? How do I get to their webpages if I don't know what it is??   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Muisc, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Martin Ott organ pictures From: "Lisa Gustafson" <lisaviolin@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:01:45 -0500   http://www.geocities.com/gracechurch13/organ/pipeorganforsale.html   Thank you all for your interest in the Martin Ott organ Grace Lutheran Church in Aurora Il is selling-- Here are pictures of it at the above url. There will be more pictures--different views--in a few days. We will also be posting line drawings of its dimensions. Check back often for new pictures--and more information--   Please contact me if you are interested in purchasing this organ--Lisa Gustafson 630-859-0683 or Pastor Dan Borchers 630-896-3415. If you are in the area--(near Chicago) please stop in to see and play this magnificent instrument.      
(back) Subject: Re: Leather Coupler From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:25:01 EST   In a message dated 2/12/01 10:11:11 PM EST, tmbovard@arkansas.net writes:   > s). The result (after a decade or so) -- no more blower shaft > bearings. The "new" motors couldn't care less, but the old blower = shaft > bearings weren't designed for the sideways torque forces that the > belt/pulley drive imparts to them -- thus they eventually expire -- > sometimes dramatically. > This is correct... the thing is that the belts are adjusted so that there = is just enough tension so that the belt(s) do not slip, but they don't apply un-necessary (downward) force to the fan (impeller) shaft. I usually get = the bearings replaced if I replace the motor anyway as a precaution. Many of = the Kinetic blowers were furnished with bearings that use oil pick-up rings or =   other oil-bath situations so that the bearings are WELL lubricated. I >>ALWAYS<< check the oil level in the blowers of the organs under my care WITHOUT FAIL!!!   Rick M  
(back) Subject: Pictures On Organ Music Covers From: "Karl E. Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:54:00 -0500 (EST)     Can anyone help with questions about pictures on the covers of the two following publications:   1. Foote, Arthur, "Christmas," pub. by Masters Music Pub. , Boca Raton: the caption identifies the organ as "Organ in Freiburg Cathedral, Germany (built 17810 - 14)" However, it looks like the Silbermannin the cathedral at Freiberg and *not* at Freiburg. At the right side (facing the case) is an "angel" with two timpani suspended from the angel and at least one timpani stick in hand in up-raised position. Can anyone make positive identification of this organ?   2. Walther, Johann Gottfried, _Saemtliche Orgelwerke_, Vol. II and IV #8680 and 8681: I am now the happy owner of these two volumes of chorale preludes. They both show an ornate baroque-era organ case with the largest, front-central pipe equipped with a mouth with teeth, etc. !! There is a large central tower, two side towers, and begween the center and each side flats of pipes with one set of pipes above the other. It's tempting to ask if this is the current organ at die Stadtkirche in Weimar, where Walther was organist for lots of years, including when J. S. Bach worked in Weimar and had several kids baptized in der Stadtkirche. Or is it someone's "graphics reconstruction" of the organ Walther himself played there?   I just gotta know! :-) Many thanks.   Karl E. Moyer Lacnaster PA    
(back) Subject: Re: ACCHO From: "Antoni Scott" <ascott@epix.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:26:36 -0500   Great Question:   Why would anyone want a reed on 100" wind ? The building is so immense that the organ required to fill it is equally as immense. Four stops are on 100" wind and many on 50". The organ is so big that these loud stops are required and necessary to be heard above the full organ. Listen to the conclusion of the Liszt: Ad Nos on the ACCHOS CD recorded back in 1998. The 100" Ophicleide is added on the last chord with incredible effect !!! If that doesn't send shivers down your spine, nothing will.     Antoni Scott  
(back) Subject: Re: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is. From: "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:05:40 -0500   At 12:32 PM 02/10/2001 -0800, you wrote:   >Westminster may be different (one would HOPE), but two of my three >colleges (Oberlin and Cincinnati) were SERIOUSLY deficient in courses >directed specifically at training CHURCH MUSICIANS.     I've seen/heard two graduates with Master's degrees in church music from Westminster. And they're STILL clueless. It amazes me.   Jason, keep your feet on the ground, and remember the experiences that you've had over the past few years as you go through college. College = will give you groundwork, but there's nothing like experience to couple with it =   to make you a solid church musician.   I don't know anything about the undergraduate course there, but the grad course, from what I'm given to understand, is TOUGH.   --Shirley        
(back) Subject: Re: Time management (was "Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.")/ CHarterhouse, etc. From: "Shirley" <pnst@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:08:19 -0500   At 02:57 PM 02/10/2001 -0800, you wrote: >So I would add typesetting and pasteup to skills an organist needs = (grin).     Good gravy, guys! As a church secretary, my PRIMARY job is the = preparation of the Sunday bulletins!   Just WHAT are these secretaries doing with their time, anyway?   --Shirley      
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning the organ (xpost) From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:16:03 -0600   Surely you have seen the discussions of this here before. Many orchestras actually play far above a440. The Fisk at the Myerson is tuned at a435 because = they checked and confirmed the usual pitch of the orchestra. Roy   Alan Freed wrote:   > I've got some people who want to rent the church for a concert. And use = the > organ with their orchestra. I said "Fine," but warned them that I've = been > told that the organ is tuned at 444 Hz. > > They talked to their instrumentalists, who all promptly backed out of = the > deal. > > So they've got to change to another venue. > > Their contact with me says that she thinks our organ is probably NOT = tuned > to 444, but perhaps to 442. She's going to bring in a tuner tomorrow to > "examine" it. By "tuner" I imagine she means an electronic machine that > will measure the frequency. I'm welcoming that, because, though I can = tell > that the organ is north of the piano which IS 440 (but we never use them > together, so it makes no difference), I can't tell whether they're 2 Hz > apart or 4, and I'm CURIOUS as to where the organ REALLY IS. > > My questions for you: > > How big a job (in person-hours) is it to re-tune from 444 to 440? = Totally > mechanical action, 23 ranks. > > If we take it down to 440, does that necessitate extensive re-voicing = and > regulation? > > Is it not true that there are American orchestras (especially in Los > Angeles?) that use 442, 444, or 446 on a regular basis? > > Is an oboist or a trumpeter really unable to shove that slide in far = enough > to get 444? > > Are tenors and sopranos REALLY handicapped at 444, or do they just like = to > act like prima/o don(na)s? > > Thanks awfully. > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning the organ (xpost) From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 21:18:40 -0600   MISTAKE, MISTAKE!!!! sorry The Myerson is at 443.5, not 435!! Roy   Alan Freed wrote:   > I've got some people who want to rent the church for a concert. And use = the > organ with their orchestra. I said "Fine," but warned them that I've = been > told that the organ is tuned at 444 Hz. > > They talked to their instrumentalists, who all promptly backed out of = the > deal. > > So they've got to change to another venue. > > Their contact with me says that she thinks our organ is probably NOT = tuned > to 444, but perhaps to 442. She's going to bring in a tuner tomorrow to > "examine" it. By "tuner" I imagine she means an electronic machine that > will measure the frequency. I'm welcoming that, because, though I can = tell > that the organ is north of the piano which IS 440 (but we never use them > together, so it makes no difference), I can't tell whether they're 2 Hz > apart or 4, and I'm CURIOUS as to where the organ REALLY IS. > > My questions for you: > > How big a job (in person-hours) is it to re-tune from 444 to 440? = Totally > mechanical action, 23 ranks. > > If we take it down to 440, does that necessitate extensive re-voicing = and > regulation? > > Is it not true that there are American orchestras (especially in Los > Angeles?) that use 442, 444, or 446 on a regular basis? > > Is an oboist or a trumpeter really unable to shove that slide in far = enough > to get 444? > > Are tenors and sopranos REALLY handicapped at 444, or do they just like = to > act like prima/o don(na)s? > > Thanks awfully. > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Time management From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@access.aic-fl.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:41:51 -0600   Shirley, we don't have a church secretary. There are only two paid staff members - the priest and the organist, and neither of us will make it to = the Fortune 500 on the stipend.   I agree with Bud - every organist and every lawyer (hey, every college student) should know how to type and basic word processing skills. It is unconscionable in today's society not to possess these skills - at some = time or another you will find yourself in need without secretarial assistance = or other staff.   Regards,   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning the organ From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blaineri@home.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:45:12 -0800   During the four years I've tuned the organ, the San Fransisco Symphony = plays at A=3D442.   Blaine Ricketts Castro Valley, CA  
(back) Subject: Re: Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is. From: "Bob Scarborough" <desertbob@rglobal.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:30:41 -0800   At 10:05 PM 2/14/2001 -0500, you wrote: I've seen/heard two graduates with Master's degrees in church music from Westminster. And they're STILL clueless. It amazes me.<snip>   I've heard the same. The joint's got a reputation as a "degree mill".   DeserTBoB    
(back) Subject: Big Pipes ACCHO From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:26:03 -0500   Mike Gettelman wrote:   I recently visited the suggested ACCHO site, saw some incredible pictures of huge pipes, a massive console with manuals stacked to near vertical, and all driven by 1000 horsepower.   I downloaded all the MP3 samples, but my computer speakers, normally quite good, were simply blown away by the low frequencies. I simply must get the CD and run it through my 100 watt stereo system. I can't wait to hear it in person someday.   But right now I must settle for the Skinner at Severance Hall on Sunday. Can anybody tell me about the lowest divisions of this Instrument. I have been to Severance before, and I know there must be some serious foundation for the organ to fill that room impressively.   Mike    
(back) Subject: Re: Big Pipes ACCHO From: "Mack" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:30:01 -0500   Hey Mike, How about more info on Sunday   Mack       > Mike Gettelman wrote: > > > But right now I must settle for the Skinner at Severance Hall on Sunday. > Can anybody tell me about the lowest divisions of this Instrument. I > have been to Severance before, and I know there must be some serious > foundation for the organ to fill that room impressively. > > Mike >    
(back) Subject: Re: Big Pipes ACCHO From: "mike" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 00:58:11 -0500   Mike Gettelman wrote:   On Sunday, Jillian Weir plays the first of a 3 concert series on the refurbished Skinner in Severance Hall in Cleveland. In March, the organ = will be played by Thomas Murray, and in April by Todd Wilson. I am lucky to = have tickets for the entire series, so I will be happy to share my impressions = with all of you over the next several months.   I bring this to you from a unique prospective, because I am raw rookie to = pipe organ study, and am taking my first wobbly steps by attending concerts, ravenously reading the posts from 4 organ mailing lists, viewing the sites = of all organ related builders and organizations, and yes I have even bought = some pipes on Ebay.   So, as a rookie, I will leave all the details about Sunday to the more = learned Listers who will describe them infinitely better I.   Mike.     Mack wrote:   > Hey Mike, > How about more info on Sunday > > Mack > > > Mike Gettelman wrote: > > > > > > But right now I must settle for the Skinner at Severance Hall on = Sunday. > > Can anybody tell me about the lowest divisions of this Instrument. I > > have been to Severance before, and I know there must be some serious > > foundation for the organ to fill that room impressively. > > > > Mike > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Time management (was "Education Needed? Yep. Sure Is.")/ CHarterhouse, etc. From: "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:33:01 -0800 (PST)   I mentioned to Shirley privately, and I will say it to the list, even in smaller churches, but definitely in say 500 and above - the church admin. person has PLENTY to do. In most places I work, they have to put up with = the priest (s) last minute requests for brochures or letters that should have = gone out yesterday, or book keeping, dealing with walkins, etc. Having done it = only on Fridays before, I don't envy them! And there sitting in the same = office all day with no change of space. I'll stick up for the folks I have worked = with 100%. I found out the Secretary (who fits the above description) back = home had to take two hours off last holy week, to put her son in drug/alcohol = rehab. The priest told her if she left, to leave her keys on the desk - she = wouldn't need them any more. She did, and I haven't set foot in there or spoken to anyone since! What makes this worse is his own daughter was in trouble = like this TWICE and he took whole WEEKS off with no questions asked. If I = could tear myself away from the Ep. church, if just for these kind of priests = and their employee abuse/intimidation, I would. I just can't, so I have made = sure I am in a position to threaten to leave THEM. I just don't approach it = that way.   --- Shirley <pnst@earthlink.net> wrote: > At 02:57 PM 02/10/2001 -0800, you wrote: > > Just WHAT are these secretaries doing with their time, anyway?     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Muisc, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Tuning the organ From: "randy terry" <randyterryus@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:36:33 -0800 (PST)   Blaine, Is the Ruffatti as bad as all the locals claim?? Granted it may = not be perfect, but what I have heard makes me wonder if it is worth bothering to hear!!   --- Blaine Ricketts <blaineri@home.com> wrote: > During the four years I've tuned the organ, the San Fransisco Symphony = plays > at > A=3D442. > > Blaine Ricketts > Castro Valley, CA > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Randy Terry Minister of Muisc, Organist & Choirmaster The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Big Pipes ACCHO From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:03:32 EST     --part1_69.112949f3.27bcd944_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 2/15/01 5:58:23 AM !!!First Boot!!!, mike3247@earthlink.net writes:     > So, as a rookie, I will leave all the details about Sunday to the more > learned > Listers who will describe them infinitely better I. >   but Mike, As a rookie, you are in a unique position to offer a fresh perspective on = the playing, the program and how it affects you, and the organ and how you = hear it. You're review will be unique to you. Give it a shot.   Bruce ~ Cremona502@cs.com with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" Visit Howling Acres at http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/   --part1_69.112949f3.27bcd944_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 2/15/01 5:58:23 AM !!!First = Boot!!!, <BR>mike3247@earthlink.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">So, as a rookie, I = will leave all the details about Sunday to the more <BR>learned <BR>Listers who will describe them infinitely better I. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"> <BR>but Mike, <BR>As a rookie, you are in a unique position to offer a fresh perspective = on the <BR>playing, the program and how it affects you, and the organ and how you = hear <BR>it. &nbsp;&nbsp;You're review will be unique to you. &nbsp;Give it a = shot. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" = FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"><I>Bruce = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;~ &nbsp;</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" = SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Calisto MT" = LANG=3D"0">Cremona502@cs.com</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D5 = FAMILY=3D"DECORATIVE" FACE=3D"Tempus Sans ITC" LANG=3D"0"> &nbsp; <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000a0" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D"Calisto MT" LANG=3D"0">with the Baskerbeagles in the Beagle's Nest = ~ ""Haruffaroo, Bohawow!" <BR>Visit Howling Acres at = &nbsp;&nbsp;http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502/</I></FONT></HTML>   --part1_69.112949f3.27bcd944_boundary--